Sweden tops European rape league

Published: 27 Apr 09 10:34 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/19102/20090427/

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Sweden has the highest incidence of reported rapes in Europe - twice as many as "runner up" the UK, a new study shows.

Researchers behind the EU study, which will be presented on Tuesday, conclude that rape appears to be a more common occurrence in Sweden than in continental European countries.

In Sweden, 46 incidents of rape are reported per 100,000 residents.

This figure is double as many as in the UK which reports 23 cases, and four times that of the other Nordic countries, Germany and France. The figure is up to 20 times the figure for certain countries in southern and eastern Europe.

The study, which is financed by the Brussels-based EU fund Daphne II, compared how the respective judicial systems managed rape cases across eleven EU countries. Sweden is shown in an unfavourable light, according to the study.

The high figures in Sweden can not it seems be explained purely by an increased tendency to report rapes and other more minor sexual offences.

Rape simply appears to be a more common occurrence in Sweden than in the other EU countries studied, the researchers argue.

Over 5,000 rapes are reported in Sweden per annum while reports in other countries of a comparable size amounted to only a few hundred.

The figures can however be somewhat distorted as it is often only assault rapes by strangers and aggravated acquaintance rapes that are reported in many of these countries - as was the case in Sweden 40 years ago.

The high incidence of rape in Sweden has a strong connection to nightlife and partying, specifically after-club parties in private homes.

Early sexual debuts, high alcohol consumption, "free sexuality" and the "right to say no" quite simply results in more rapes, the study concludes.

The Daphne II fund ran from 2004-2008 and was set up by the European Parliament as a specific programme to prevent and combat violence against children, young people and women and to protect victims and groups at risk.

In 2007 Daphne III was launched to continue the work and is funded up to 2013.

External link: Daphne III »

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#1
12:11 April 27, 2009 by Mina08
Rapist's get away with it, because the police and courts dont do there job.
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#2
12:21 April 27, 2009 by Cos
Ah, so finally the Swedish policies towards escort services pay-off..
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#3
12:38 April 27, 2009 by tigger007
did u know that a tax cheater will get more time than a rapist!!! a rapist can get up to 3yrs and a tax cheat get get 3 to 6yrs. that's backwards as hell!!
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#4
13:00 April 27, 2009 by Dazzler
That headline appears to say that Sweden has a sports team in raping... yay #1 !
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#5
13:25 April 27, 2009 by Paulo +fab muscular than Jonnhy
I wouldn't be surprised if Bulgaria or Romania have reported 0 or too low cases of rapes, exactly as it shows when it comes to homophobia figures in these countries. It makes you have the false impression that the ex communist states do NOT discriminate against gay people.

It makes me wonder whether the criteria of what should be considered rape could largely vary across these countries as much as well how effectively they're supposed to be reporting their occurences.
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#6
13:41 April 27, 2009 by peropaco
I say blame it on the lame judiciary system and the brainless police force that would spend more time trying to catch a traffic offender than a rapist. Look at the case of the guy walking free because the young girl he sexually assaulted committed suicide. The figures don’t surprise me with all the hostile-passive aggressive and sociopath behavior one encounters every day in this country. I am sure the cases of zoophilia are even more alarming.
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13:45 April 27, 2009 by VikingHumpingWitch
Does anyone else find this contradictory?

"The high figures in Sweden are not only due to an increased tendency to report rapes, and even other more minor sexual offences.

The opposite is in fact the case, the researchers argue; rape simply appears to be a more common occurrence in Sweden than in the other EU countries studied.

Over 5,000 rapes are reported in Sweden per annum while reports in other countries of a comparable size amounted to only a few hundred.

The figures can however be somewhat distorted as it is often only assault rapes by strangers and aggravated acquaintance rapes that are reported in many of these countries - as was the case in Sweden 40 years ago."
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#8
14:17 April 27, 2009 by nic_tester
Yes, she visited him to be assaulted over a period of several months..

I think alot of the explanation is that swedish feminist movement have been very successfull in redefining rape.

Be that as it may, there is still no excuse for the low percentage of the perpetrators brought to court and convicted. Even if our laws are ludicrous they should be enforced as long as they are in place. So its a very poor mark for sweden, whichever way you look at it.
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#9
14:19 April 27, 2009 by Craptastical
Howso?
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#10
14:20 April 27, 2009 by Jeanette
Is it not the case that in Sweden "rape" does not necessarily require forced penetration to have taken place? I seem to remember reading that the legal definition of rape in Sweden is somewhat looser than the definition in other countries.

That would obviously produce this statistical result.
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#11
14:23 April 27, 2009 by Marley420
Swedish men still think they are still living in the stone age. Raping, or any type of abuse to a women is just wrong. Nothing will change until the E.U. Supreme court forces Sweden to toughen the law and sentencing guildlines. Until then, to all the women living in Sweden, please be safe!
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#12
14:52 April 27, 2009 by Nomark
I've long since stopped attaching too much credibility to research findings on these issues. The systematic uncertainties are too large and the work is rarely published in peer reviewed journals. I will believe the conclusions of this work if they are confirmed by several other independent studies which are published in peer reviewed journals. This is the normal way in which research is conducted.

Instead of sensationalising, the media should ask (a) is the work published in an internationally respected peer reviewed journal ? (b ) do these findings agree or disagree with any previous work ? (c ) is this the only study of its kind ? (d) how soon can these conclusions be confirmed/repudiated by further independent study ?
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#13
15:01 April 27, 2009 by nic_tester
Its anough to "feel" raped, no matter the circumstances, for it to be rape. However, for someone to be convicted of rape the perpetrator has to have had knowledge that the partner was "feeling" raped, something that is tricky to prove.

So, you have a situation where something can be classified as rape without any violence or purpuseful coercion, it is anough if the victim Perceived anough pressure and that the victim comunicated that the victim wished for the act to be terminated some way. So no violence and no spoken no is necessary and volontary sex can turn into legal rape throughout the interaction from start to finish.

At least thats the way I understood it. Please correct me if you have better information.
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15:43 April 27, 2009 by Sib
I think it's because those statistics are about sexual agressions in general and that people are more concerne about this in Sweden, including the police, than a lot of others countries, where it's still really difficult to talk about it or even go to a police station and be well treated as a victim.

It would be really strange that in Sweden the number of rape could be superior than those taking place in France where 8.9% of women have been raped or have been sexually assaulted or in Great-Britain where 30 % of the women have been assaulted by their husband or ex-husband/boyfriends (sources : UN).

It's like if you compare the criminal official statistics in Europe : according to them, Sweden is also one of the most dangerous country in the UE, much more than Italy or Bulgaria. It's ridiculous. It's just that in some countries, the definition of a crime is not really the same, and that the crime is under estimated in those countries.
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16:43 April 27, 2009 by Puffin
I think that you would need to compare definitions of the term rape - Sweden's definition is pretty broad and covers some other types of sexual assault as well - in addition many countries focus only on stranger rape do not classify the following as rape at all:

- homosexual rape

- date rape

- rape within marriage

You also need to adjust for the age of consent as the level of stautory rape of minors would be variable - and in Sweden acts of consensual sex involving minors would be classed as rape - eg

- a 14 year old and a 20 year old - in Sweden statutory rape/ in Italy legal.

There is also the issue of religious belief and shame as in some countries women/ homosexuals would not even report rape/ sexual assault because of the potential shame.

However even though I think that raw statistics such as this are often meaningless - there is an issue in Sweden. My personal opinion is that rape has not traditionally been perceived as a very serious crime in the same way as in other countries ans sentences often appear very low in an international comparative perspective.
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16:53 April 27, 2009 by Querist
"Immigrants were also three times more likely to be investigated for assault and five times more likely to be investigated for sex crimes."

"Among foreigners suspected of offences, those from North Africa and Western Asia were overrepresented."

http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=2683&date=20051214

Question: How's that 'come one - come all" thingy going?
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#17
16:54 April 27, 2009 by Mack
Of course it is difficult to compare across different jurisdictions and cultures but I do find that there are a lot of sex crimes reported just from reading the Swedish news. If I compare it to the greater Ottawa area, that has a similar population, it definitely seems as much or more in Sweden and Canada has a very high incident of sexual assualt. Maybe my view is influenced that I know Swedes that have been raped more then once. Bad things often happen around drinking and parties. For sure statistics can be misleading, but one women raped or sexually assulted is one too many in my book.
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17:16 April 27, 2009 by Paulo +fab muscular than Jonnhy
In Italy until very recently(this year) stalking wasn't considered a criminal offence, thus the stalker wasn't subjected to any charges, that is this person could call you at home, your mobile phone, follow your car a thousand times and it was ok - the police could do nothing about it. Obviously, such behaviours would highly likely lead to potential rapes.
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17:23 April 27, 2009 by Streja
The guy who was charged with raping that girl who killed herself is going to court. They have changed the prosecutor in that case.

I don't know really. I think the Police are not good at solving rape crimes, and most Swedes feel the same way I do.

As for the amount of cases I can't tell. I'm with Nomark and Puffin on this.
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#20
19:32 April 27, 2009 by Meedo
To Magic1964, ohhh... finally someone brought the muslims into the topic!

The UK and france has much much more muslims than sweden. Infact nearly most of western european countries have more muslim population than sweden, Spain Italy, germany. Yet sweden is topping the list in rape!

Ofcourse ofcourse nice western boys don't do bad things as rape. It is only the muslims that contaminated the otherwise Swedish rapeless countries .

Face it Magic. There are people other than muslims that also commit rape!
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#21
19:33 April 27, 2009 by draby
According to the National Council for Crime Prevention (BRÅ), the proportion of foreign-born individuals suspected of rape is 4.5 times higher than the proportion recorded among those with Swedish-born parents.

http://www.bra.se/extra/measurepoint/?modu...slsveutland.pdf
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#22
20:08 April 27, 2009 by CLiv
I would like to know how many of these rapes are committed by immigrants? I know it sounds very racist, but I can assure you I'm not, but it is definitely time for Sweden to close its boarders and take care of the people we have.
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#23
20:42 April 27, 2009 by 7
i'm impressed we got some real discussion into this thread before the yawn-dogs and their prophecies of doom joined the fray. not bad.
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#24
20:58 April 27, 2009 by wxman
From the article, "The high incidence of rape in Sweden has a strong connection to nightlife and partying, specifically after-club parties in private homes." Just check out the pics of the guys in the "Gallery" section each week for your perpetrators. Hint: they're the ones who don't look like traditional Swedes. There, solved that crime for ya!
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#25
21:29 April 27, 2009 by Grass
And I guess the fact that prostitution is heavily restricted, if not illegal has no impact?

Nor the fact that it is ridiculously easy to track people and locate personal information so easily here.
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#26
21:42 April 27, 2009 by wxman
Rape is only a sex crime in that it involves sex. It has nothing to do with availability, it's strictly an act of violence against another human being whom the perpetrator has no respect for as a human being.
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#27
22:46 April 27, 2009 by Guarauno
Wow!,hard to believe in such a cold country hahaha!,I thought it was more likely to happen in tropical countries though I hardly hear about that over here,of course it does happen but for some reason I used to think people in colder weathers were much more "calmed"
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22:47 April 27, 2009 by peropaco
20:58 April 27, 2009 by wxman , tell me wxman, by traditional looking Swede you are referring to the anemic; protruding vein and devoid of colour looking person wearing heavy rubber soles ecco shoes and a mouthful of snoos?
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#29
23:35 April 27, 2009 by wxman
And so because of their appearance they deserve to be raped? I'm a Swedish-American, I believe their society is too loose and has resulted in un-intended consequences. If that's what you mean, then I agree that Europe is on it's last legs. I know my grandfather who came to America in 1919 would be shocked to say the least. Where are the Vikings who wouldn't tolerate this till the perps got a club across the head?
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#30
23:39 April 27, 2009 by Bender B Rodriquez
Funny that it is always those with virtually no connection to Sweden that thinks they know best...
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23:56 April 27, 2009 by Kaethar
I agree with this.

I find this amusing too. The white nationalist movement consists of plenty of Americans of Swedish descent who think they know what's best for Sweden. They speak of "preserving Swedish heritage" and putting a stop to immigration when they have no contact with their Swedish heritage themselves and are themselves descendent of immigrants. wxman sounds like a typical hypocritical white nationalist, and I know enough of them to tell.
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#32
23:57 April 27, 2009 by wxman
Coming from someone named Rodriquez...
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#33
00:01 April 28, 2009 by wxman
I'm white? Like many Americans I'm a mix, including Native-American. Come to Minnesota some time.
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#34
00:07 April 28, 2009 by Kaethar
Yes, because Minnesota is a hotbed of diversity [/sarcasm]

Many Americans are mixed ethnically, not racially. And guess what? I don't believe you.

Your are a textbook WN. Cheers.
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#35
00:29 April 28, 2009 by wxman
I live in Detroit Lakes. We are White Earth. If you don't believe me, fine.
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#36
01:20 April 28, 2009 by Bender B Rodriquez
Lol, someone needs to catch up a bit on popular culture...
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02:42 April 28, 2009 by axiomiser
"According to a new study from the Crime Prevention Council, Brå, it is four times more likely that a known rapist is born abroad, compared to persons born in Sweden. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects. According to these statistics, almost half of all perpetrators are immigrants."

"The actual number is thus probably even higher than what the authorities are reporting now, as it doesn't include second generation immigrants. Lawyer Ann Christine Hjelm, who has investigated violent crimes in Svea high court, found that 85 per cent of the convicted rapists were born on foreign soil or by foreign parents."
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#38
05:46 April 28, 2009 by idun09
The study draws a connection between the incidence of rate and Sweden's drinking/partying culture, and I find that connection easy to believe. It is extremely unpleasant to be a woman walking down the street minding her own business, only to be accosted by a Swedish man who is extremely drunk and spewing obscene suggestions in broad daylight. I can't believe that Swedish women put up with the amount of harassment that they endure.

These are native-born Swedish men, not immigrants, by the way.

It's not too hard to imagine things going downhill rapidly in the evening when both sexes are blind drunk. The Swedes need to address their own behavior rather than blaming immigrants (or foreign observers).
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#39
08:27 April 28, 2009 by Johan A Stock-Homer
Some information about ethnicity of rapists, with reference from DN:

* "Brottsoffermyndigheten", the government agency working for victims of crimes, had a investigation being done. The material was sentenced individuals by "Svea hovrätt", which is a court that is higher than the lowest court but lower than the Supreme Court (högsta domstolen). In that survey 85 % of all sentenced for rape was born outside Sweden or had parents born outside Sweden.

Source: http://www.dn.se/opinion/signerat/en-riktig-valdtaktsman-1.407102
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#40
08:31 April 28, 2009 by VikingHumpingWitch
Right, so what are we thinking about this? Is the view that people of darker skin pigmentation are just genetically predisposed to raping?

There's something right fishy about this survey, IMHO.
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#41
08:48 April 28, 2009 by Johan A Stock-Homer
Some more on ethnicity:

In Oslo, Norway, 41 cases of rape by an unknown attacker was reported to the police the last three years. In all (!) cases the reported rapist was reported to be a non-western immigrants.

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=561939
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#42
08:52 April 28, 2009 by Johan A Stock-Homer
Some more on ethnicity and a network of rape groups (!):

Refugees probably make up the network of several samller rape groups (disgusting) in Södertälje.

TheLocal wrote about a thing that takes some pain for me to take in: "a network of several smaller groups who have systematically raped young women and girls in the town", the referred town being Södertälje an hours drive from Stockholm. (http://www.thelocal.se/18776/20090409/).

What were the ethnecity of these charged men? An article from a local newspaper provides a clue: "Three of them are today Swedish citizens but the others risk extradiction if found guilty".

One can only wonder if the mayor of Södertälje will once mote appear in the US Congress to answer questions about its huge Iraqi refugee population, which is larger than those in USA and Canada combined. (http://www.dn.se/sthlm/sodertaljes-kommunalrad-i-usa-kongressen-1.562319)
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#43
08:56 April 28, 2009 by Nemesis
Shortly after I moved to this country, I was attacked. A guy who turned out to be French arab, who I thought at the time was actually from the USA tried to rape me, in front of the local police station. That is how I found out the police station is closed locally at night.

I fought him of, after he had fractured my leg.

Afterwards, I got a letter from the polce saying there was no evidence anything happened. Sweden has a serious law and order problem.
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#44
08:57 April 28, 2009 by Nifty
tsk tsk...You are not allowed to mention 'those' people unless you are praising them otherwise YOU are racist.If 'they' break the law then it is obviously swedens fault.
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#45
09:02 April 28, 2009 by claujohansson
a few years ago I read an article in a magazine in my country discussing a report by an deapartment in UN about the high incidence of rape in Sweden. The report claimed that rape - as a violence against women, rather than a sex crime - was so common in Swe, among other reasons, because of a male reaction to the equality women have by Swedish laws. I showed the article to my husband (Swede) and he was unconvinced and a bit shocked. I don't know about that but it rings true, somehow.
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#46
09:08 April 28, 2009 by Johan A Stock-Homer
Yes, there seems to be something fishy about the survey I wrote about in a comment today at 08:27. I re-read the article in DN and I concluded that the kind of rape that the survey examined was those committed by an unknown attacker.
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#47
10:54 April 28, 2009 by Christopher21
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#48
14:24 April 28, 2009 by Kaethar
@half the people on this thread: It is irrelevant to this thread to know the ethnic background of the rapists. The UK and many other countries on that list have far more immigrants than Sweden, yet Sweden's rape rate is much higher. This thread is for discussing why that may be - and the answer is certainly not immigrants. So please leave it.
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#49
14:31 April 28, 2009 by VikingHumpingWitch
Yes, this very thread is evidence of it. Which concentration camp are you posting from?
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#50
14:41 April 28, 2009 by Mack
I am sorry to hear this Nemesis. Unfortunately your story is similar to another women that I know. The police did nothing in that case as well.
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#51
16:14 April 28, 2009 by lazytown00
Though no one publicly wants to admit it because it isn't "PC", here is reality. With the influx of thousands of people to Sweden from other lands where Sharia law rules, rape has increased in Sweden.

Sharia law (e.g. in Iran) is especially cruel when it comes to rape cases. To prove rape, either the rapist has to confess or there must be four male witnesses of the rape that testify on behalf of the victim.

The problem arises in Sweden when these people continue to follow their Sharia beliefs instead of assimilating. Government programs such as SFI should not only teach Swedish but also teach Swedish culture and touch on Swedish law. Blame the Swedish legal system also for being way toooooooo soft on all crimes. Sweden at times is a lawless society. (see Rosengård).
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#52
16:32 April 28, 2009 by Querist
Question: Aren't CURRENT 'real life' examples of crimes against the person - in any way, persuasive?

"After months of suffering through thrown rocks and threats directed at his squadron during numerous calls to the Rosengård neighbourhood in Malmö, local fire chief Henrik Persson said on Tuesday he is stepping down from his post".

http://www.thelocal.se/19130/20090428/

.sigh.

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#53
16:38 April 28, 2009 by VikingHumpingWitch
You'll have to outline what you mean here. I am not suggesting that criminal activity is unheard of in Sweden. I'm suggesting that if you look very closely at this thread, you'll find that actually people do manage to criticise immigrants without being ostracised from society and/or thrown in prison.
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#54
18:00 April 28, 2009 by Johan A Stock-Homer
Ethnicity is relevant in regards to rape from an unknown attacker. To see this you just have to be intelligent enough and be able _and willing_ to reason. Follow this:

From my comments above one should draw the conclusion, I think, that almost all rapists that are unknown attackers are non-westerners and has been in Sweden for not a very long time. If you don´t get that you´re just not smart enough or don´t want to reason. Why is these facts relevant?

1) By avoiding men that looks non-western and looks recently arrived to Sweden a woman may prevent herself from getting raped. It´s like if your throat get irritated by eating apples, then you can avoid getting your throat irritated by avoiding to eat somewhat round globes that fits in your hand, that are often red or green, with a white crisp interia, and with a sweet taste.

2) By reducing the number of refugees accepted to Sweden, the number of rapes from an unknown attacker will most probably be less in the future.
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#55
18:03 April 28, 2009 by Johan A Stock-Homer
513 characters snipped. Rules have changed. If long text are not welcome, I won´t put them here. That´s out of respect for those intentions, and, I don´t have to rewrite anything...
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#56
18:09 April 28, 2009 by Johan A Stock-Homer
Changed my mind...

Ethnicity is relevant because a woman can reduce the risk of being raped from an unknown attacker by avoiding men that look both non-western and recently arrived.

Ethnicity is also relevant because accepting less refugees will most likely reduce the number of these kind of rapes.
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#57
18:51 April 28, 2009 by Mack
So if a women fails to do this she deserves to be raped? As many others have pointed out this type of crime seems higher in Sweden then lots of other countries with more people "that looks non-western". That should be the interesting question to consider.
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#58
18:59 April 28, 2009 by Mox Mox The Manburner
What i find the most puzzling about this survey and its conclusions about the reasons for Sweden´s high rate of rapes is the fact that it claims that Sweden has four times the number of rapes as the other Nordic countries, yet they blame the high occurrence of rapes here on the specific Swedish drinking and partying culture. Are they trying o tell us that drinking and partying habits differ so very much between between Sweden and Norway, or for that matter between Sweden and Finland? Like someone said, there´s something fishy about this survey.
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#59
19:00 April 28, 2009 by Paulo +fab muscular than Jonnhy
How can you define a "just" arrived male solely by looking at him? I'm confused...

Does it read by his appearance, hair cut, grooming & fashion style?
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#60
20:27 April 28, 2009 by wxman
Kaethar is either a fascist or a 7th Century desert dweller, but I repeat myself.
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#61
20:59 April 28, 2009 by 7
it seems she can continue to avoid rape by

1. getting to know the non-western, newly arrived person to sweden. once she knows him, statistically her chances are reduced

2. avoid getting to know swedes, and most definitely not getting to know ANY norwegians. statistically they seem to prefer raping people they know.

hence. if you know the non-swedes and not any of the swedes a woman is pretty much safe from rape altogether.

a safer sweden thanks to deductive reasoning
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#62
21:07 April 28, 2009 by 7
silly paulo, they're recognizable by the sign hung around their necks. duh!
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#63
21:16 April 28, 2009 by anv
hierarchic society and bad manners
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#64
01:18 April 29, 2009 by Thebinary1
Early sexual debuts, high alcohol consumption, "free sexuality" and the "right to say no" quite simply results in more rapes, the study concludes.

How the hell can the "right to say no" increase the probability of rape? Is the study implicitly suggesting that the suppression of the right to say no reduces the probability of rape?

I also find it surprising that the "comfort" factor was not measured in tandem with such rankings. By the "comfort" factor I am referring to the level in which women feel comfortable in reporting a rape compared to women who feel uncomfortable in reporting a rape. If the "comfort" level is high, then that's good and means that the rape incidence figures are not skewed. If the figure is low, it means that the rape incidence figure for that country is inaccurate and should be higher than what is indicated.
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#65
01:26 April 29, 2009 by Chris Bering
You have access to detailed statistics from www.scb.se and statistik.bra.se - why not use it ?

Years:

1983 1988 1993 1998 2002 2005 2008

Entire Sweden: (population 31/12-08: 9256347)

Total consumated rapes:

576 897 1608 1610 1854 3333 4901

Consumated child rapes 0-14 years old:

60 148 338 277 387 733 1421

Stockholms län: (population 31/12-08: 1981263)

Total consumated rapes:

185 237 380 494 582 1127 1219

Consumated child rapes 0-14 years old:

13 19 85 66 98 157 253

Skåne län: (population 31/12-08: 1214758)

Total consumated rapes:

62 104 215 256 216 437 645

Consumated child rapes 0-14 years old:

5 11 47 41 39 86 177

For comparison, Denmark (population 1/1-09: 5511451) had a total of 467 rapes in 2008.
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#66
01:29 April 29, 2009 by Chris Bering
To those saying Sweden has a smaller proportion of immigrants compared to France, UK or other European countries:

Not true - Sweden has 1.2 million immigrants of non-western descent.

Besides, one has to look at the immigrant composition. 3rd world cultures and peoples aren't equal.

Recently, Finland found that 12% of robberies were commited by the 0.2% Somali community. Iow, should the proportion of Somalis reach 0.8%, robberies in Finland would double.

To understand the disintegration of Swedish civil society, besides immigrant volume, one has to look at the specific imported cultures - and the Swedish reactions to their behaviour.
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#67
07:57 April 29, 2009 by 7
sorry chris. you are dead wrong on your numbers especially your qualification of those stats. sweden's "immigrant" stats are primarily comprised of nordic immigrants and of those finns make up the lion's share. the "immigrant" stats are also defined by having ONE parent who was not born in sweden e.g. the entire royal family is statistically made up of immigrants.
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#68
08:11 April 29, 2009 by Johan A Stock-Homer
007, we are perhaps both right. Why I´m right: If a woman is walking an evening in a kind of empty-of-people place, and she can choose between to paths to go, and there is one man she is going to meet in one path, and another in the other path, she is safer from being raped by taking the bus, but if walking, she should take the path that the "blonde" dude is in and not the, say, algerian looking. Like I wrote, almost all rapes of this kind is committed by non-westerners, often refugees.
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#69
08:13 April 29, 2009 by Johan A Stock-Homer
No I can´t see how you came to those conclusions.
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08:26 April 29, 2009 by Johan A Stock-Homer
How can you spot a non-westerner, which is a refugee or has parents from other countries? I guess one can be most correct by looking at skin colour, manners/style/attitude and clothing. I´m sure sociologists could point out some general clues.

If it´s not possible to somewhat accurately spot non-westerners that are refugees or has parents born outside Sweden, there is simply no way to spot individuals more statistically prone to rape others.

I think there are no white-skinned refugees. I think it is statistically safer to meet a white-skinned dude in a dark alley than a dark-skinned. Statistically, and regarding only skin colour, therefore, a woman is smarter to meet me in a dark alley than a man that looks like being from northern Africa. Thats statistics.
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#71
08:40 April 29, 2009 by 7
sorry, but your thinking and this "post" is an excellent demonstration of ignorance (i.e. a lack of informed factual background) and nonsense. but keep making stuff up, since it's kind of amusing to watch.
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#72
09:09 April 29, 2009 by nic_tester
Chris Bering, thank you so much for bringing some quality and sanity to this otherwise rather low quality collection of conjecture and supersticion masquerading as a discussion.

Swedish sexcrime law had a major revision brought online in april 2005. From the statistics Chris Bering was kind anough to post for us lazy people, the number of sexcrimes double from 2002 to 2005. Imho, the majority of the sexcrimes have been explained.

Something else peculiar to swedish law is that crimes are never bundled together. Like, 35 assaults on a spouse during a duration of 5 years are 35 crimes in sweden. Not being schooled in law its not clear to me how different this is from other countries.
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#73
09:10 April 29, 2009 by Nifty
Good ol DoubleOpc.Utterly predictable response,regardless of topic.
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#74
09:11 April 29, 2009 by nic_tester
There is this swedish expression you might know, something about rocks and a greenhouse..
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#75
09:15 April 29, 2009 by Princess P
Former Yugoslavia?
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#76
09:26 April 29, 2009 by Paulo +fab muscular than Jonnhy
They're brown-skinned or slightly white and come from a Meditarranean country, thusly defined as black people.
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#77
09:35 April 29, 2009 by Princess P
The woman in my SFI class looks like my mum and she's a manc (my mum, not the woman in my class).
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#78
09:47 April 29, 2009 by Paulo +fab muscular than Jonnhy
Perhaps this woman and your mum have some similar ancestors at some point of their genealogical tree, whereas I'm absolutely sure that Johan A Stock-Homer's DNA doesn't "minimally" equate with any of our common ancestors even from a very long time ago.
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#79
09:50 April 29, 2009 by Bender B Rodriquez
First you complain that others are to lazy to look up the stats, then you make up you own stats. Sweden has 1.2 million people with at least one foreign born parent. Nowhere does it say that those are non-Western, in fact the majority of those are of Nordic and European descent.
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#80
10:22 April 29, 2009 by Kaethar


Er... no.

It increases potential reported rapes, since just saying "no" during sex within a marriage, for example (without violence), can lead to a report of rape (whilst in other countries this wouldn't be seen as rape and would probably not be reported as such). It can cause huge variations in statistics.
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#81
13:22 April 29, 2009 by Chris Bering
@ 007 and Bender B Rodriquez:

SCB says 1661003 persons of foreign background for the year 2008.

This number does NOT include people with naturalized parents.

Trying to correct this number involves a lot of work. You have to look at immigration and emigration on a nationality by nationality basis, for the past many years.

People that have done the work arrive at around 2 million total immigrants and descendants in Sweden.

Of these, as pointed out, there are ~400k Finns.

There's a shortcut however.

For the past 35 years, the birthrate among Swedish women has on average been below replacement levels. Taking the increase in life expectancy into account, and considering that net western immigration is close to zero - the population should have declined from 8.2 to 8.05 million.

Instead, it's at 9.25 million today.

Where did the 1.2 million come from ?
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#82
13:57 April 29, 2009 by Chris Bering
To those still arguing that drunk Swedes are behind the rapes - look at the increase in child rapes.

It's increased from 60 to 1421 - a factor of more than 23 in 25 years.

Then listen to medical personel, women shelters and rape victim counselors estimating that as much as one quarter of all rapes involve multiple assailants. Gang rape was a virtually unknown phenomenon in Sweden just 25 years ago.

I'm sorry to burst your apologists PC bubble, but these statistics has the fingerprints of tribal and muslim culture all over them.

Of course, your daughters and sisters could just say YES instead of insisting on their "right to say no". (OMFG!!!)

Stop grasping at straws and wake up to reality no matter how horrible it is - you have to.
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#83
15:01 April 29, 2009 by Nifty
The weakness of society is the problem.A mate of mine was walking home from the pub when stopped by three young men who demanded his wallet & phone.For breaking the arm of one of these men,he was almost jailed for using excessive force.my mate would weigh 60 kg soaking wet!!!Yet in court it was claimed my very svensk mate assailed these young men with racist taunts.They say he did,I KNOW he did not.But 3 to 1 is apparently evidence that they did not try to rob him but he that he drunkenly picked a fight at 1.00 with young men although he is well past 40.

Will the last person to remember gamla sverige please turn out the lights!
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#84
17:08 April 29, 2009 by 7
i haven't had the time to search for the 2008 stats to see the wording from scb. i would be grateful for the link please.

what i did find rather quickly was a publication from 2002 mapping out "background". at the time there were approx 9m people in sweden. the breakdown

of 8 941 000 inhabitants in sweden 1 358 000 had "utländskt backgrund" (two parents born outside sweden)

of 1 358 000 "non-swedish" inhabitants 849,000 were from norden, EU or "highly developed" nations (which i'll take means wealthy, industrialized western nation e.g. US, canada, OZ, NZ)

of the remaining 509,000 inhabitants 433,000 came from "medium developed" nations. i don't know which countries this might be but i'll guess SE asia e.g.thailand, south american e.g. chile and south africa fall into this category.

that leaves 76,000 from "developing nations" which is code for poor.

so at best (if we don't dismiss the harmless asian people) the "scary, brown, most-likely-to-rape evil people" come from less than 5% of the population (which minus the women is 2.5% of the "men to avoid on a path late at night")

oh, and interestingly enough, swedes make up nearly 18% of the "invandrare" in the 2008 stats

so nearly 1/5 of the statistical immigrants in 2008 to sweden are SWEDES.
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#85
20:10 April 29, 2009 by Chris Bering
@ 007

Here's the link: www.ssd.scb.se
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#86
20:52 April 29, 2009 by 7
thanks. i can't find anything on these which gives the breakdown like the link i provided. that demonstrated that in 2002 nearly 2/3 of the "non-swedish" population came from norden, the EU or wealthy, western nations. and as of 2004 (and again 2007) many of the "medium developed" nations joined the EU...

so how many people in sweden fall into the indiscriminate "scary" category?
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#87
22:41 April 29, 2009 by Chris Bering
From SCB as per 31/12-08:

Non-western foreign nationals: 309753

Naturalized non-westerners: 551853

Foreign born non-westerners in total: 861606

As stated earlier, the 1.66 million people of foreign background, doesn't include children of naturalized parents.

So, just how many 100% "Swedish" children does those 551853 naturalized non-westerners have ?

You can't find out by studying SCB statistics.

My guess is ~340k, since if added to the ~860k, one gets the 1.2 million that can't be accounted for by simple demographics.

As for "scary" immigrants, one would have to consider which non-western countries are "scary" and which aren't. Things like educational levels, urban/rural origins and culture/religion plays a large part in this.
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#88
23:19 April 29, 2009 by 7
what is your source? is it using the term "non-westerner"?

actually, your link from SCB does count children as it offers age ranges as low as 0-4 years old. so you should update your inaccurate, previous statement.

are you talking citizenship or the classification "icke utlänskt"? if both parents are utrikesfödd, none.

look back at your link. click on "utlänskt bakgrund"

but johan-a-stockholmer advised based on looks while walking down a path. is he wrong?
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#89
14:02 April 30, 2009 by Chris Bering
> what is your source? is it using the term "non-westerner"?

From the total, I subtract the numbers for 30 western countries - including Japan, Taiwan and a few others.

> Actually, your link from SCB does count children as it offers age ranges as low as 0-4 years old.

It doesn't count children of NATURALIZED parents.

Children with one or two parents with foreign citizenship is of course counted.
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#90
14:05 April 30, 2009 by Chris Bering
> but johan-a-stockholmer advised based on looks while walking down a path. is he wrong?

Only very primitive organisms are incapable of learning from experience.

The western world is currently in a learning process. People are having to adapt to everyday dangers, that their parents didn't face.

Decades of social engineering have taught us that everything is equal, and that discrimination is bad and irrational no matter what form it takes.

At its root, rational discrimination is the application of intuitive rules derived from past experiences - to make life easier and, in some cases, to increase the chance of survival.

Subconciously, we continously apply threat profiling to our surroundings. This includes ethnic profiling.

The idea is to learn as much about what's in front of you, before you approach.

Does threat level vary depending on ethnicity ?

Yes, all violent crime statistics supports the notion that ethnic profiling is rational.
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#91
14:06 April 30, 2009 by Chris Bering
At its root, rational discrimination is the application of intuitive rules derived from past experiences - to make life easier and, in some cases, to increase the chance of survival.

Subconciously, we continously apply threat profiling to our surroundings. This includes ethnic profiling.

The idea is to learn as much about what's in front of you, before you approach.

Does threat level vary depending on ethnicity ?

Yes, all violent crime statistics supports the notion that ethnic profiling is rational.
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#92
14:52 April 30, 2009 by Chris Bering
sydsvenskan.se/malmo/article429062/Ungdomsganget-styr-Herrgarden.html

According to this article, it would seem appropriate to discriminate againt "ungdommar". Would "Ungdoms"-profiling be alright ?

Why do Swedish media feel the need to talk in code all the time ?

What are you afraid of ?
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#93
15:34 April 30, 2009 by unkle strunkle
Quite right.

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/pdf/Archiv...12/msg01846.pdf
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#94
15:58 April 30, 2009 by Chris Bering
You mean

newsgroups.derkeiler.com/pdf/Archive/Alt/alt.politics.bush/2005-12/msg01846.pdf

?
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#95
16:29 April 30, 2009 by Bender B Rodriquez
The SCB stats I saw only took into account if the parents were born abroad, not which citizenship they had.
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#96
16:41 April 30, 2009 by nic_tester
Who cares where you are from? If you get killed by a wog you just as dead as if you get killed by a pure blooded englishman. All citizens have the same obligations, fullstop. Only thing that matters in my book is wether you are a citizen or not.

That said, im in favour a selfish immigrationpolicy and against this wishywashy orgy in sentimentality that has posed as swedish immigrationpolicy the last 30 years. But thats a different discussion.
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#97
19:22 April 30, 2009 by Timid And Afraid
Are these articles and responses a sick joke. Can the average Swede be so utterly ill informed, maybe retarded or just living in the clouds.

The rest of the world knows why you have such a high rape incident.

Rape is the national sport of Swedish muslims. No secret outside of Sweden. Their imams preach that diluting the white race and demoralizing Swedish men, they advance islam.

You have the truth now of course ban me from the site for being honest and hurting your PC feelings.
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#98
20:53 April 30, 2009 by unkle strunkle
Hmmm, if this article from Monday's Stockholm City is any indication, the Swedes are beginning to wake up to the very real and present threat that Islam poses to society. There were enough comments here to warrant Stockholm City to publish a few, very un-PC, samples in today's paper. Unfortunatly, they censored some (many?) on the website.
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#99
07:41 May 1, 2009 by Skanssi
This is nothing new.

Consider that we are talking about a Lutheran faith. I would be the same if we were talking about a Catholic faith.

Get the "church" out of politics, life, the police, and everything else, and you will not have any more problems. Haven't you already figured that out?
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#100
22:11 July 31, 2009 by Matan
This is because of the muslim immigrants.
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#101
20:15 August 31, 2009 by Ketzer
Are there published reliable statistics on the perpetrators? I'm not trying to incite hate against anyone, just trying to get a handle on this problem.
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