March 21, 2010
Published: 2 May 09 10:10 CET
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All the issue is wrong and it can't be real!!
Now we can have equality in divorce and give lots of extra work to divorce lawyers. I look fiorward to the first divorce cases reported in the local, so that everyone can see that gays are like the reast of us, when they get married, divorced, firgot over the cat, car, etc:)
As for anyone having a problem with gay marriage, get a life. If two gays get married it does not affect anyone else in any capacity, no matter how much you try to find a way to be offended by it.
What two consenting adults do with each other, is entirely there own business.
How does this fact affect you in any jot or iota?
I'm sorry, did you just want gay folk to carry on funding the many children you spit out ad infinitum, without a recieving a fair return on our investment into the state at any point in time?
This story is indicative of where things are moving in this part of the world, so remember this:
There door is always open for you to leave at any time, and I really don't mind if it knocks your arse on the way out.
Firstly I'd be very interested to know what made you use that particular word?
B: You also mention a concept called 'the Gay (capital 'G') lifestyle'.
I'd also be very greatful if you could share with me what your understanding of the word 'lifestyle' is. Furthermore I also wonder if you'd be so kind as to explain what in particular your understanding of what a 'Gay lifestyle' is.
Many thanks.
Mutley.
By the way dahlin', I *chose* NOT to cook today.
I chose the word choose because I think that one's sexual orientation is a choice. We could debate this from now til forever, and I for one do not mind dialog involving opposing views.
Science? The same scientific evidences that Joseph Nicolosi has found, but no one's ever found instead.
I don't know how people can profess to claim homosexuality is a choice...If they are in not of the persuasion themselves.
It would be like me speaking out on the behaviour of cats. I'm no cat, so therefore I could really not say why cats do their cat-stuff.
If I were to label all cat-like behaviour as 'choice', it would in fact at best be supposition and at worst indicative of a lazy intellect.
At the end of the day, you've got about as much chance of turning a gay person straight as you have making cats parade.
Hmm... one does not have to be homosexual to chose not to be one. Obviously since I'm Hetrosexual I chose to be. I actually have considered that question, and well males in my mind are abit too rigid for my taste, and I prefer curvier fare, but that's just me...lol. I adore women, and when in their company I feel a sence of peace , joy, and contentment. Also my religious views come into play as well. I try to adhere to a code of conduct inherent to my Christian belief. Homosexuality is a no no, yet to be fair fornication is also a no no, and I've been quite a fornicator. I do try to live a moral life. My biblical studies have taught me that we are here to make choices, how to live, what to believe or not believe, this is our God given right.
Anyhoo, when you had your own internal discussion it sounds like it was very different to mine. For me there was no choice.
To be sure, I had the internalised homophobia that a lifetime of being told what I always secretly felt was wrong, yet aged 15 I fortunately had the wherewithal to finally and fully accept myself as being different to the majority.
Fortunately for me, (and I don't wish to denigrate your right to a belief system) I had no religious hang ups, as I'd left the Christian stories behind along with Father Christmas, The Easter Bunny and that creepy minx: The Tooth Fairy.
Now, I do appreciate the fact you clearly communicate the fact that you feel gay folk should be free to go about their business without hate or hindrance, as you seem to understand the fact they cause no more harm to society any more than any other schmo., yet there's a catch there.
By invoking the concept of choice and combining that with the Christian tradition you believe in, actually imply that gay folk are inherently wrong, and we all know where that leads...
I don't know if I could live in Sweden. I've been there and like the Swedes a lot, but the cost of living is very high there. Sweden wouldn't offer me anything that I can't find at home except that it's in Europe.
Would you please elaborate a thought about these few passages?
- slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave - (Exodus 21:1-11)
- child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16)
- bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9)
- men's castration to go to heaven (Matthew 19:12 ASV)
And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear: "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17)
After so many different interpretations of the *same* old bible that has been made throughout human history how coherent are they supposed to be when it comes to homosexuality being right or wrong? What credibility does it have to back this view?
PS- some men can have a lot of curves too, some chaps can look rather femminine and have female-like curves and also have something "extra" whereas some women can have no curves at all ... some ... n
Sorry, I'm just tired of adult conversations going down to the level of two year olds' whenever religion and sex are brought up. Even your thread, offering to explain Islam, ended up being a kebab slinging insult-a-palooza. I'm not sure where you are coming from, but expected slightly higher levels of discourse here.
Dirt seems to be a preoccupation of your's...Care to enlighten me as to why?
I'd say this drivelling nonsense was juvenile and the kind of primative crap one would expect to hear in a school playground, except you rather give the impression that school was never an option for you.
Hahahahahaha, why yes I have little Miss, though to be honest I've grown a little bored of my current source of onanistic material, yet it clearly sounds like you could recommend a new source!
if so, please to it to my email addy:
fuckoffhome.ucavedwellingtrash@adecentpace.com
Why does this not surprise me?
'Interests: "very peaceful person!!
wish every one who live on the earth to have a good and happy life!"'
One day the different parts of the body were having an argument to see
which should be in charge.
The brain said, "I do all the thinking so I'm the most important and I
should be in charge."
The eyes said, "I see everything and let the rest of you know where we
are, so I'm the most important and I should be in charge."
The hands said, "Without me we wouldn't be able to pick anything up or
move anything. So I'm the most important and I should be in charge."
The stomach said, "I turn the food we eat into energy for the rest of
you. Without me, we'd starve. So I'm the most important and I should
be in charge."
The legs said, "Without me we wouldn't be able to move anywhere. So
I'm the most important and I should be in charge."
Then the arsehole said, "I think I should be in charge."
All the rest of the parts said, "YOU?!? You don't do anything! You're
not important! You can't be in charge."
So the arsehole closed up.
After a few days, the legs were all wobbly, the stomach was all
queasy, the hands were all shaky, the eyes were all watery, and the
brain was all cloudy.
They all agreed that they couldn't take any more of this and agreed to
put the arsehole in charge. And the moral of the story is?
You don't have to be the most important to be in charge, just an
arsehole.
*figures*
Out of curiosity-- have any of you long time posters converted to Islam or Christianity or whatever because of any threads published here?
There is absolutely no way in hell that I would allow someone who thinks bigoted thoughts on Planet Kang - regardless of rationale (religion, etc...). The only intolerance accepted on Planet Kang is intolerance of the intolerant.
I know. I know. I'm being a meanie and a know-it-all but I cannot sit, idly by and listen to some half-wit spout hateful crap (not saying that you would) about something they don't understand. Hell - even if they do understand it, I'm still not going to condone the promotion of hatred (even if they attempt to disguise said hatred in funny jokes, etc...).
Sometimes - people are just phucking wrong. And if you're wrong and a hypocrite - well, that's just more fodder for me to chew on.
The thing is, I really do welcome dissent from my own thinking, although I hasten to add that I am always right, unless stated otherwise. I like considering other opinions about things like culture, food, the Right Way to Live, that high faluting stuff. I learn all kinds of cool stuff that way. What I don't understand, and I really am trying to, is why people keep posting stuff about Islam and Christianity here on the Local, and thinking that their postings will in the slightest affect the majority of habituees herein. In complete fairness, the looniest postings, at least in my opinion, have been from people proselytising for Islam. It makes me want to flee, as fast as I can, from such bigotry. It's not like I am not familiar with the pillars of Islam. Actually, I have worn hijab myself, for a memorable week a few months ago when I was in Tehran. I read the Koran. I read the Bible. The difference is, I live on Didi E World, where we all get to think for ourselves. My god don't like bullies. Sermon over, done, Amen.
With regard to the compulsion to, "evangelize" or seed - I have no idea why people think The Local is a wonderful venue for such behaviour. Maybe the well-earned reputation of a forum where intense discussions of buttplugs are welcome has permeated all corners of the internets? Maybe some people found out there are sinners among us?
I have absolutely no problem with religion. That said - I think religion is a personal decision that should be respected (which is sad because many in these parts cannot do that). I also find attempts to convert people absolutely disrespectful. What gives someone the right to presume that their faith is the absolute? There's no proof.
And - to tie this rant up with a pretty, little bow - when people trot out religion to condemn homosexuality, I find myself steaming with anger. Nothing screams hypocrisy like someone calling someone else a sinner (after all, is anyone in the position to judge?).
:grumbles:
Parasites is a strong word, I know, yet their parents did not previously invest over generations in the infrastructure we now enjoy, and lets be honest. Would a northern European receive and social assistance in any of their countries should we require it?
There aint any quid pro quo there Nancy Drew!
Further more I cannot help but think of it this way:
Gay folk usually pay the same tax as straight, yet don't get the same return as we typically will not have children that go through school.
Like Thatcher said to Europe, like Stewie said to Brian.
Where's ma money?
What about slavery?
perv Homos of today were someone else in the past.
It's endlessly frustrating to me how people of certain belief systems (Christian, Muslim,Vegan, or whatever) absolutely demand that their beliefs not only be tolerated but accommodated every step of the way, but these same people (like Maria) refuse to give the slightest amount of tolerance to any alternative systems of belief. They don't understand that respect and tolerance is a two way street. If you expect me to tolerate and respect you, than you have to tolerate and respect me. This really isn't a difficult concept. Most of the time, however, when you try to explain this simple idea, it's like beating one's head against a brick wall.
Now - don't be foolish. Those people are just speaking from their heart and expressing their own opinions. You know, the defense that *everyone* is attributing to the homophobic Miss California.
What people fail to remember is that segregationists spoke from the heart in the South. Nazis spoke from the heart, too.
You've got to learn it, Kang - what I do or is part of my being either is absolutely ok anything else is subject to judgements based on my interpretation of the universal code of conduct of my community.
On the other hand, when you pay taxes in a society like Sweden, you are helping educate a new generation of little Moslems, Christians and Jews, all of whom will be more tolerant and openminded than their nimrod parents appear to be. It's certainly worth investing in, eller hur?
Edited to ask Paulo: Huh? I don't understand. Please clarify?
You are just brainwashed. Not your fault where you were born, and what religion your family chose.
Don't you know that hating is such a waste of time/energy?? Why do you care who is gay and who is getting it up the shooter and who is not??
What does it matter, to you, if Billyboy and Sarahlee are gay?? Your lifeswork is to grab YOUR golden key to them pearly gates. No one is big enough to pass judgement but the big man. ***Saying that there really is a big man/woman and son,and they both watch with crossed arms and closed ears as peopld fall victim to horrible crimes agains humanity.
Is that not right Maria?
Are you in secret secret, curious of your "sisters" and what is under their burka? Are you in denial of your true feelings, so you feel the need to throw STONES?? You threw first.
You sing praises to your god with that same filthy mouth? Or does it not count, as you typed the nasty things..not actually said them outloud to my face. **please any day..any time.
And to answer your question, that was put out for all to answer, if I ever seen gay porn. Umm the real question should be..HOW do you know what is in gay porn? How do you know, without seeing for yourself..what gay porn is? Oh wait, they told you...thats right. Believe what you hear, not what you experience for your own self. Yes!!! gay porn is fun and really is exciting.
I can probably give you a few good titles to check out when no one is looking !!
It will be our little dirty secret Maria, okay??
Sorry if I am a bit crude. Today is day two of my non smoking.
Please feel free to read between my first and ring finger.
Inletwatcher
Spot on, but I would add, it's not just the minor matter of my sexuality these folks attack, it's my very right to exist.
Mmmmm, jury's still out on that one, as prejudices that are passed down, can for many, be hard to shake off, though out of all of them, give me the Jews any day. Hate seems to come less easy for them.
<----Burka smiley agrees
Life is weird. L'Chaim. And here's to a new generation of people who are not afraid to look at things critically.
So it turns out i've only got my own facking ancestors to blame for this nouveaux bigotry!
Who knew?
Come on gang. Who's with me?
Edited to add, let she, he, or it without sin be the first to cast, and make sure you toss it Princess' way. Trivialand is MINE baby!
Wait a minute. I mean, We'll set History on its ass-sides? Eller---I'm going to take a walk and think about this one, MG. You are in charge.
Paulo, you're up next.
My son said that that terminology is okay as it is not really a cussword.. but gets the point across with a bit of.. shall I say color? Sorry sorry again my Princess.
And Didie.. if we can go back in time...how far would it have to be???
Thought provoking thought methinks, ty.
Inlet
PS where is Maria? she started all this.
The greatest threat to freedom - is any protection against that which is considered noxious.
.
But let's not labour the point on that old chestnut eh?
Tall glass of cool milk..yes its disgusting to drink another species milk..but well hell.
Mmmmm Milk and Chips 'Ahoy...
but wait.. are we talking double stuffed Oreos..or them over the top kind that are dipped in chocolate?.. Humm I shall make a taste test soon.
Thanks for making smiles out of hurts
COOKIES ! and lest not forget the board favorite.. shall I say it?
Cheesecake.
Grins and laughs
Inlet
But he loves oxtail soup and frog's legs...