February 14, 2012
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A proposal to offer performance-related bonuses to immigrants who complete state-funded language courses within one year has raised concerns from both students and teachers.
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I think this idea is worth a try.
Also the point that you need to go out with Swedes is spot on. The only way to leanr Swedish is through interation with Swedish people, not in ghettos of people from outside the country.
Anyway I think Polish can go and live in Sweden legally, am I wrong?
PS.
"There are those who study as hard as they can, but they still don't pass"
Than mate you have chosen the wrong place to ask for asylum...
Antoiolgj. Poles are here legally, according to the laws of the EU
plus ,question for you as you sound creative ,since when language is taking as a judgment for humans productivity "keep in mind not to talk about me as we agree you should use your extra thinking power about the topic " .
insted of spending Bilions again it would be better for the Gov and tax payers to use them in health and education ,and as the Gov. except the imigrants as they are so they should use them as they are ! make studies in them and see who WANT to learn ,so instead of Bilions it will be Milions and instead of waste of taxes which is not paid by Polish and others whom working illigaly they could use the imigrant in the labor market ,
I am a struggling student cos I am interest in using my professional talents in Sweden, but the programs for learning Swedish are just a waste of time and when you talk to the responsables at the university, they dont listen to you and keep in blaiming students. You can attend the courses for weeks without learning any new thing, The teachers doesnt care and all the efforts you have do end up in frustration. Honestly there is not a serious system. If i could win the Language-learning bonus I will definetly give it entirely to the Authorities with the purpose to improve the learning system and make people really benefit from a really good program, come on Everyone who has attend this courses know that what I am saying is the very other side of the coin that noone wants to see! and is REAL
I don't pretend to have a better solution. But I can see a waste of money when it is in front of me.
I saw lots of refugee who stay in the SFI the maximum so they don't have to go to work and I knew they get money to study SFI and poor us , we got nothing but struggling hard.
So now they will pay them for 3 years SFI and then trying to get them out by paying them 12,000 kr???? What is this money will do in Sweden any way?? to pay one month rent and a bill??? it is a joke, they get paid much more as refugee while they study 3 years .
and by the way I knew that lots of these refugees work undertable as well , so they gets money from both sides, Do you think this is fair for us ? I mean we are not refugee and we are also sturggling with life , children, and get no help but this funny 1000 kr every month??
I would think that the bonus is here to encourage people to learn faster, and to avoid having newly arrived folks spend years in SFI. Those of us who have attended SFI probably all know at least one classmate who has been stuck at the same level for more than year. The money is not meant to be a direct bidrag to pay rent, etc- it's just meant to motivate you to get into Svenska som andra språk, etc. What's wrong with that?
Just as "It won't be fair. There are those who study as hard as they can, but they still don't pass," said SFI student Moshen Kiaei to DN.
I also understand why I can not pass!!
Synd!
Valentina
It sounds like they think the programme is great and the only problem is the student's lack of motivation... ie students don't learn because they don't want to.
Sounds like a great way to solve all the shortcomings of SFI...not.
I'v put my two cents worth in...
The Govt.find other ways to encourage students.If not this will likely corrupt the system in the long run.
Its so sad that even the teacher hardly know when SFI finishes.I dont understand why the
teacher should choose when to write the exams.Can the government do something about
it as it has not been fair for people who have plans to go to university.You have to push the
teacher to have an exam.If you come here becoz of love at the age of 25 and plans to go
to university it takes ages and by the time u realize its too late.I was in a class where I
was not told I cant have the exams when i felt i was ready for it.
The money should be used to provide tools so people can help themselves. Otherwise it's like giving charity and people become so used to getting handouts. It only works if people do something with the education that they gain, if they go out into society, integrate, work and pay back into the system. If not, it's just wasted money.
It does seem a little unfair that only those on the graduate stream will be eligible for 12K - those on the low education/illiterate stream will only get 6K!
Anyway gnhundu,I just wanted to say that there is already incentives for employers who employ immigrants at least where I am. The govt pays 70% of their salary so it is a benefit to employ and immigrant. But either the employers have no idea cos no one has told them, or they know but still prefer not to employ immigrants. What is needed then maybe is to spend this money in educating employers on the benefits of adding immigrants to their workforce. I have noticed also that many people think of all immigrants as refugees which is not the case.
SWEDEN.. IF YOU BELIEVE TO BE SOMETHING.. WHY SO MUCH PROBLEMS WITH YOUR EDUCATION .. ARE YOU FOOLING YOUR OWN HEART?
PS TO "THE lOCAL" READERS!! Lets FORWARD this page to the reponsables in your SFI Institutions,and to the one who is your coach in your STAD so they may be shame of the bad work thay are doing and starts to do things differently!..
MONEY ARE A STRONG MOTIVATION FACTOR! You can buy with them. Books in Swedish that can help you upgrade your skills. Did you ever think of buying an ´interview techiques´ type of book in Swedish?
Before going out there in the market place - prepare yourself very well! Swedish language is very important, but don´t forget ATTITUDE BEATS THE APTITUDE! It is you attitude that counts (more than anything else) when you are looking for a job!
I WANT THE 12.000kr AS A BONUS! I can use them very well to learn more and more Swedish language and to be able to integrate better in Sweden. Just look on adlibris.com and see how many books and CDs you can buy (all those books will help you to improve your Swedish language skills)
For what I have learned, the SFI classes are free and this should be a good motivation for people to learn the language. Offering a monetary incentive will only motivate in the short term since people will probably want to have higher incentive in the future or will try and complete the just for the monetary incentive. Not only that, in many cases it will be possible for people to cheat and just put enough effort to be able to pass the class in order to get the money. Immigrants that are really motivated, know what beneficial for them and have a real desire to learn the language and become part of the Swedish culture, will take the classes whether they are paid or not.
The government can do a better job with that money, such as offering more classes, hiring new teachers as well as new materials that will enhance the students overall learning experience.
I would have thought than the challenge is far greater for those who have never been to school to obtain literacy - learn to read and write - and be able to communicate in spoken and writen Swedish that it is for a graduate to get up to SFI D within 1 year. But they only get half the money...
Swedish language, the unique aspect that I am reporting here, depends a lot of Swedish literature that normally is not really known by the Swedish people and I could observe this in a lot of public libraries of Small Land. Any project that I and my family here has proposed for the Swedish Literature to be best known has been categorically denied.
But Sweden belongs to the Swedish so and this way, we will proceed with our turistic time.
People on the whole move by their own choice to Sweden.
It is therefore up to them personally to take a vested interest in their language education.
The SFI is free and like another poster has said, you only get out of it what you put into it.
I passed SFI in six months and skipped over SAS going direct to Svenska B (för svenskarna inte invandrare) and passed that in just under a year.
I didn't receive a bean for going to SFI (the Kommun didn't have the money) BUT I knew that the other immigrants (Non.EU) were getting 3K a month to study.
This proposal is a waste of time and money. Money that could be spent on making sure that Companies hire from the pool of immigrants jobhunting. Where is the reward for working hard to integrate yourself into a society that doesn't seem to want you to? (well, as long as you want to work in a pizza restaurant or pick strawberries you are welcome of course...) but try getting a job inside say, Advertising, Media, local councils, etc.
Still not accepted into Swedish society however, nor do I have a job but at least I KNOW I have done all I can to integrate myself into my new home - just a shame that the indiginous peoples cannot open up society to immigrants so that we can get rid of the "ghetto-ising" that has been occurring and is now so prevalent.
It has taken me six years of living here to find ONE Swedish friend who really is a friend and who rings, txts, visits etc. For the most part, my friends are all other immigrants.
Spend the money on educating society - opening up their minds and cultivating the "Multicultural" feeling we are supposed to have here. Right now its just a word, as the minute you try to introduce anything non-Swedish into society the immediate response is "Aaah, vi brukar inte göra det här"!!
I need not have bothered trying hard to learn Swedish and trying to fit into Swedish society because the bottom line is simple - WE ARE NOT WANTED.