'Swedish state should not educate imams': report
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The Swedish state should not engage in the education of imams, a commission of inquiry into the issue has concluded in its report submitted to the government on Monday.
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Among the other conclusions in the report, submitted to the Minister for Higher Education and Research Lars Leijonborg on Monday, is that a state sponsored education for Muslim religious leaders would constitute special treatment for Muslims in relation to other faith groups.
The commission of inquiry recommends that the further education requirements of imams should instead come under the standard education system which includes for example, Swedish for Immigrants (Svenska för Invandrare - SFI), and university courses in political science.
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I have never seen an "imam" denounce extremists either, skirt around the issue, yes, denounce it...no.
Where in the Koran does it say, blow up yourself and your brothers, kill total innocents,women and children who have done nothing to you etc I would like to see that.
oh, and btw, why would you assume i was directing my statement to you???? when i wrote my comment, i still didn't even see yours since i didn't refresh my page.
i listened many ferocious speeches by these imams.
they refused to follow the laws of the country which they are living.
they must teach how to live with other people peacefully instead of hateful speeches on usa uk and cristians hindus and jews and western countries and western culture and other cultures and misinterpreting quran verses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_mosque
For muslims - JIHAD (the general meaning) is not an option - it is a requirement. A duty. It is a universal principle in the Islamic world. You don't find a similar universal rule like that in ANY OTHER religion.
Ya Don't believe me? Look it up.
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clashes between hindus and and cristians are isolated and local and these are because of conversions from hindu to cristians.because indian with 1200 million people.there are also clashed between sikhs and hindus and muslims and cristians.
many hindus are having relatives in critians.
but the differences between hindus and muslims are so wide and nobody is going fill the gap. know the fact that pakistan and bangladesh are divided based on religion from india.
Humans are created different in every way . But can only be the same only when they live, act, share and even love in a Humane Manner...wonder when will ever this happen ?
Koran 9.5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
(The above is the Ayt al Sayf, The Sword Verse, which abrogates hundreds of verses in the Koran, under the Doctrine of Naskh, 'Abrogation')
Koran 0"29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the Jizyah (protective tax) in submission"
"I have been ordered by Allah to fight and kill all mankind until they say 'No God except Allah and Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah'". (Sahih Muslim)
No other 'religion' has a doctrine to forcibly convert, persecute or kill, non-adherents. Islam is more a political ideology than a theology.
"Religious exteremism is a common factor and can be found in other religions also..." (mobings)
It seems that you didn't understand my post. Yes - it is true that most (if not all) religions have their own version of religious extremist views.
What sets Islam aside from other faiths is the UNIVERSALITY w/in Islam of 'struggle'. I.e> The struggle to improve society. The way to improve a society... whether in a muslim country or a non-muslim country... IS TO INSTALL MORE ISLAMIC DOCTRINES.
This struggle (jihad) is often referred to as The Sixth Pillar.
No other religion demands::: "It's my way or the highway"
Good luck with that. see above.
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No other 'religion' has a mandate of death for apostates:
"Muhammad said, 'Whoever leaves his deen (Islamic faith), then kill him." (Bukhari 9.88.6922)
All five schools of Sharia mandate the death penalty if a sane adult male, female, or child attempts to renounce, or commit 'blasphemy' by criticising, Islam (only the Ja'fari school does not apply apostasy charge to children).
The essential cornerstones of our Western civilisation are our freedoms of speech and of conscience.
But if they decide to do it, then it is fair that half of the imams should be women or homosexuals.
- Islam is the only religion whose name stands for peace and is not like other religions whose names are given after personalities (christanity after christy, Judaism after Juda etc.)
- The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O'Leary in the book 'Islam at the cross road' (Page 8):
'History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated.'
One should push them into water and make them think with their senses, only then they will never say "Somebody said" .
A 4 years old child will think logically before acting. These people are making the world cripple.
@nutcracker
some more facts.
- 14 million Arabs are Coptic ChristiansChristians i.e. Christians since generations, why the muslims didnt convert them on point of sword.
- More than 80% non-Muslims in India, why the muslims didnt convert them on point of sword.
- Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, 'Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?
I am very glad to see many speaks about Islam. I am gonna find some English and Swedish translation of holy Quran and distribute it for those who wanna learn it. not to learn from bullshitter's who speaks against Holy Quran.
Eurostan hate Muslims I don't know why. but May Allah guide him. Many Islam hater accepted Islam
check the youtube videos for Islam haters conversion. May God guide us on the right path. Ameen
More than 80% non-Muslims in India, why the muslims didnt convert them on point of sword.
you are talking about british india or present india.
check your calculations .
india+pakistan+bangladesh= bristish india.
once go through the history how muslim rulers killed millions of non muslims.
1st (Fitna) is NOT (disbelief by no-Moslems) I think u r v bad in Arabic or u just copy paste it (its difficult to explain here as Wiki say there is details in Arabic is very complex lang.)
2nd if u kill anyone (even animal) (of course not lion want kill 4 instance..etc), then u r out of islamic instructions and belief.
3rd DO NOT cut, example (I want to kill all..around me) u r killer?! (I want to kill all the Swine flu viruses around me) if u got the idea then if not its ur problem.
anyway its hard 2 explain indetails here jusr example:
Koran 9:6 and if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah [i.e. the Qur'an]. Then deliver him to his place of safety.That is because they are a people who do not know.
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I have studied the Koran and the Bible and notice that in their practice in different countries, both the religious leaders and the states are doing a lot of errors. A discussion of this is in my book, SMALL MIRACLES - by Askin Ozcan - ISBN 1598001000 (Ouutskirts Press)
Books of God are clear. It is up to everyone to read and learn them. There are no conflicts in these books, nor among them. Yet, mankinds has been engaged in conflicts and wars throughout the history? Whose fault is this, but of education?
Askin Ozcan
Author
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm
Sunday Times 1 June 2009 quotes Tabari re Aisha and child brides: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6394176.ece
So, I suggest allowing the state to train imams and priests, rabbi's, etc.
Win-win. :D
This is an unbiased assesment by a people who were slaughtered by muslim hoardes from North Africa and sold to slavery by White men from the Atlantic.
They either attack others or beg mercy. The world is safe until countries like Iran acquire nuclear technology. It's like providing a stone to a monkey.
They say according to Koran, they have to respect Jesus and Moses, but kill all the people who are not them.
Sweden is loosing its status as a country and is transferring to a barbarian nation where lazy crooks live on socials.
A day will come when muslims in sweden say that we are a majority here and this is our land. Before 7th century, who are these muslims? A bunch of lazy people who wanted luxury without hard work. The possibility is to gather together and attack others.
Just to let you know that we are keeping an eye on this thread as if seems to be both drifting off topic and becoming abusive
Can everyone please stick to the topic of Iman education in Sweden - off topic posts will be removed
If you want to discuss something else - start a new thread
Puffin
Example: tennis match at Malmo. Why the hell on earth are muslim residents bothered as if the tennis player from Israel came and attacked their livelihood. They forgot their basics to respect a person and his occupation. If sweden goes on encouraging these activities like providing education of imam's, they meet 10 times instead of 5 times to make their attacks more louder.
that's my 2 cents
I dont think that u dont kow much about Islam, but I do think u misunderstand it due to anti-bias.
Regarding our mother Aisha's (May Allah be Pleased with her) childhood marriage to Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessing of Allah be upon him), this was something customary among the arabs. Her hand was already about to be given to someone else when Allah Commanded Prophet Muhammad to marry her. The Wisdom behind this Command manifests itself to a heart of faith. Aisha lived on to die at the age of 72, directly teaching three generations Prophet Muhammad's life at home. Such as, he was gentle and kind hearted, took part in house hold chores, drank from the same spot on a vessel from where she drank, ate meat from the same portion from where she ate, used to put food in her mouth, all out of love. This is what Islam teaches the husbands, treat your wives with love, care and respect. Unfortunately, many of us do not set good examples, but that is not Islam's fault.
One doubt: If everybody is a muslim, then with whom will you fight? is it with animals saying that they are walking on 4 legs and allah do not accept it..... or as usually among yourself?
002.285 The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."
Al-Qur'an, 002.285 (Al-Baqara [The Cow])
Ooo, a fun off-topic discussion.
So you argue cultural relativity. This was a common custom at the time although it's not acceptable today. This is how I feel too - some things are just different today than how it was then. Today we know through psychological studies that a child that age isn't mature enough for marriage.
But here my views will differ from yours - I argue the same in regards to homosexuality. Cultural relativity. Back then we didn't know much about homosexuality - we didn't know that for example brains look different between homosexual men and straight men meaning it's something you're born with or at least something you cannot change.
So, my question to you is, what are your thoughts regarding homosexuality? You cannot argue cultural relativity for one aspect and not the other. Either you are against both homosexuality and child marriage or you are for both.
As a muslim you'll probably say you're against homosexuality. So, tell me, would you let your 9-year old marry a middle-aged man?
The point of a separation is so that peoples individual religious beliefs are not inflicted on everyone else in society and as such it is a one way thing. Religion should not have a say in the operations of the state, but of course the state cannot just leave religion alone, especially when their activities are to the detriment of society as a whole or in some other way against the values of the society in which they operate.
For example it is absolutely correct that fundimental christians should not be able to enforce their views on abortion on to people who do not believe the same as them. In the same way Sharia (excuse the spelling if its wrong) laws should not be emposed onto a multifaith society. However when issues such as the endemic child abuse associated with the catholic church (sorry to drag up an old topic) or with religious mutilation (for example instance male and female circumsision conducted for religious reasons) the state is obliged to intervene.
The idea of a separate church and state is so that the state can protect society from religion rather than religions being protected from the state... and long may it last!
Look on your Family structure.. Born with out wedlock... The highest raps/child abuses in whole of the world. Whose priest are Pedophilles. heheehh
Look what you have got with so called "Modernity"/Liberalism.. that You would not allow your daughters/sister to walk in dark street. Unless you also born like that :)
Enjoy
I think its you that need a history lesson. The crusades of the Knights Templar (constantly used to support Muslim aggression) were a reaction to the muslim conquering of the area stretching from India to Spain and the persecution and murder of millions of Christians. They also only lasted about 200 hundred years, whereas the muslim Jihad has continued, almost without pause, since the 7th century till now (and continues in Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan, Thailand, Iraq, Afghanistan, India etc. as well as in the west in, mainly, its non-violent form).
Yes, Sweden has the highest instance of (reported) rape but 75-80% of these are commited by immigrants, again mainly with a muslim background, due to the way women are viewed as second class citizens.
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Muslims when in superior numbers: like wolves
"Religion of peace".. absolutely
and if you don't agree with that, they will torture and behead you!