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Nearly 70,000 young Swedes feel they aren’t able to freely choose whom they want to marry, according to a new study, leading the report’s authors to propose Sweden outlaw forced arranged marriages altogether.
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You take the guy out of the jungle, but I don't take the jungle out of the guy...
Islamic Sharia is the First Law in Human History which gives rights Women to Consent for her marriage. Brother Read your (Christian) History .. You used to burn women couple of hundreds years ago . Not so far ..
If any particular Minority sub-asian people do that , you cannot generalize it..
iDialogue
"Nearly 70,000 young Swedes feel they aren't able to freely choose whom they want to marry..."
Mr. iDialogue, are you for real?
It is accepted in Swedish culture not to get married. Most people living unmarried live with a sambo or long-term partner.
"If that is Modernity . keep it my friend."
We will. If you do not like it you shouldn't be living here. Just as if you believe in forced marriages you shouldn't be living here.
"Islamic Sharia is the First Law in Human History which gives rights Women to Consent for her marriage. Brother Read your (Christian) History .. You used to burn women couple of hundreds years ago . Not so far .."
Do I look like I care? I care about how people are treated today.
And I'm a non-Christian, by the way.
"If any particular Minority sub-asian people do that , you cannot generalize it."
And if you don't do it I don't see what your problem is. This law is only a problem for the people who'd break it.
Forced marriages.. No one accept that.. As i told above, Islam Never allows Force marriages. That is the custom of some Sub-Continent countries. nothing to relate with Islam.
You adopt what you want my friend If you want your daughters/sisters/Mothers to treat like that . do that ...
IDialogue.
You want to raise your daughters in this society . . Yes may be you have accepted that your daughters/sisters/mothers would be victims of the sexual violence. Oh sorry not Violence . It is a "Swedish Culture".
I think you know what Bible Say about "Born without wedlock" ? it start with a Letter B and end with D.. Hope you can guess
Cheers
Maybe there ought to be some clarification?
You forefathers did hardwork and thats remarkable, but it has nothing to do with accepting religion or rejecting religion. Its related to ahrd work, honesty, etc.
Muslims were ruling in Education 800 years ago in Spain, it was the center of learning and progression. The religion was the same then also....
keep in mind the way law is needed to run the country, similarly erligion is needed to run the sole. No law tells you to not think bad about your neighbour but religion does.....
So forced marriage is already illegal? So it should be, although I doubt for one second that means the problem will disappear.
Small Question: My Friends , Honestly i am asking this without any offense , Forget about where you from Just Human.
Q1. Would you allow your daughter to appear in a Bikini Ad round the corner ?
Simple Question , and I need simple Answer of above. no debate. My dearest Brothers.
Forced marriages has, as far as I know, not been legal since the 13th century but I could be mistaken. Obviously arranged marriages were still fairly commonplace amongst landowning families, but they were not allowed to be forced upon the parties.
I dont know about where you come from idialogue, but in Sweden (as well as most modern countries) we dont allow or disallow women to wear what ever they want. Thats just not the way it works. If you are a woman and you want to be in a bikini ad, thats fine. If you dont, well thats fine too. No-one has the right to inflict their will on anyone else. Thats what equality is all about.
I'm not a raving feminist, but I dont like the idea of women being "allowed" to wear something and not "allowed" to wear something else. Who the hell are you to choose for them or decide (rather arbitrarally it seems) what is "dignified" and what is not?
Now: Bolababu and Magic..: First if you have bad experience with them or of your family members ........ by them. i cant say .." It is a Swedish Culture" .
As i told above i am not Imigrant nieth i want to Just BTW what does this means.. ? I can make sure that Your ancestors were also immigrant OR they Just pop out from the Earth in LAPLAND ?
Second Brothers you are diverting the topic. We are not discussing the role of Immigrants. Do we.. ?
I am really not offencing , just asking . please answer (dont say that it is the same in the world .. we all know the statistics) Just focus in Europe and please answer .
Thanks in advance
you never let muslims move to a christian state and vice versa!!! if you move to a place make sure that they believe in what you believe in!! too much conflict will come about,if a muslim or christian don't like the laws set by the state. if u are a muslim and u move to a christian YOU must except all laws and not just the ones that u want to obey! as a christian i would never move to a muslim state and try to get the muslim state to adjust to me. i would have to obey their laws and their traditions(which most muslims don't respect here in sweden).why are swedes trying to adjust to muslims traditions and they moved into sweden! if u move into my backyard FUNK DAT! it's may rules or the FUNKING highway!!
Brother Kills Sister in Honour killing
they don't cause all these problems that they cause in sweden. they quickly adjust to american laws and respect our traditions(they may NOT like it but they do it).muslims quickly educate themselves and set up functioning communities. they don't FUNK UP and mess around like the ones here in europe and their kids are never in trouble with the law,but here it's a different story and i know why.american's we aren't having that.if u disrespect u might get a foot in the anus. sweden get a stiff upper lip and let these people know play time is over! SWEDEN! this is your backyard you make the rules!! like i typed before,if u can't live by the state rules that govern you! GET THE FUNK OUT!!
I have know 3 people in the UK whose parents had planned forced marriages - none were muslim:
2 were Hindhu - one male aged 30 & one female aged 19
1 was from a girl from a fundamentalist Christian group aged 16
I think that the main issue here is how to enforce the existing law? Forced marriage is already illegal however how can the Swedish authorities determine in which cases the consent is informed or forced? How can the Swedish authorities determine the nature of marriages that take place outside of Sweden?
http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/578644.html
And Btw - Editor Bob - if you are reading this (and if anyone else could please smack Editor Bob about this) - Please read your bloody email regarding the problems I am having with posting comments to the board.
I hope my above non-sense analogy give some sense to many non-sense who are dragging religion in this discussion.
* with exception of some redneck states in the US
Arranged marriage NOT EQUAL to Forced marriage
--- It happens very very often only with Consent it is more like online dating than ofline dating.
--- It disappeared in Europe only few decades ago with increasing working women and sexual liberation. 'Life is beautiful' has forced marriage
--- Arranged marriage is making a come back with online dating ....
--- Yes forced marriages need to go
** MOVIES make you think Arranged == forced just like US== freedom
MachoMan == Rambo SexyWomen==Skeletons Leader== Bush (rofl)
Accept it or move on.
We as parents need to know that there comes a time when we have to let our children take over their own lives!
If the foundation is good then the choices will also be good for the most part.
Now we can say: "happy like a muslim living in a Christian country".
-No matter your faith, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.
If you are in sweden, go with the flow...!
If you dont like it..LEAVE!!!!!
You said that Christians used to burn women a few centuries back. That was then and we cant change history.
But look what Muslims are doing nowadays - wanting to kill everyone who says anything against Islam, "honour killings", kidnappings, beheadings etc
And we are talking about the present day...how bad is that?
Read quran Chapter 4 AN-NISA (WOMEN). which gives inharitance rights and fredom to coose.
Wrong with Swedish culture is they destory Families, women emotions and sestivity as mother & daughter, dont give inharatance rights of property, leglise prosicution and misuse of women.
Wrong with Arabian Culture is that they force merrages, hounor killing, kidnapings, take advantage of male dominance.
The way I see it, if a person wants to immigrate to another country, do your homework first and learn about the country first. If you come here, live by the rules of the country, dont try to implement views in your own country here.
If a person can't adjust to the live in here, noone is stopping you to move back to wherever you came from.
When people migrate to Europe, from Middle East or fundementalist christians, such as Opus Dei, they should swear an oath to uphold all European human rights conventions, on women's rights, equality, abortion, sexual orientation, children's rights etc.
If they don't swear it, immediately put them on a plane at there own expense back to there own country, or preferably bill there country for it.
idialogue, you are using random statistics that have not been proven to be correlated by anyone. The fact that there are increased nude images on TV in Europe is completely arbitrary. You could also say, do you think the fact that there is an increased level of immigration from countries that follow Sharia Law contributes to the increased level of rapes?
enforcement of a law is always the crux of its success. an unenforceable law is not worth the time to debate it.
ISLAM gives the full rights to the male/female to choose their partner. Forced marriage is a big sin in ISLAM.
there are many immigrants from china vietnam and south america. they never made any controversial things like muslims are doing in sweden or denmark or uk.
i read in some scraps that sweden has highest rapes and islam and shariaw law is only can prevent these rapes.
many children are born without wedlock islamic rules are better for sweden.
IT IS LIKE MAD MAN THINK THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE MAD.
One Methodist friend was forced to convert to Judaism in order to become an "acceptable" wife.
Pressure is also very high in some Christian communities
- My boss in Northern Ireland was made to remove her child from school as the school refused to guarantee the saftey of a child with a Catholic name given that she "had chosen to marry out of the faith"
-I was also a witness once for a Catholic anullment (long story) where family expectations/pressure to marry was one of the reasons for granting it
i recommend you to do some research on Islam and try to recognize freedom of women, as i said above i don't believe on so called Sharia but Islam is fastest growing religion among US especially in Women of west. explore the internet, do your best to deny but come with valid reasons not with you psychoo mind and culture.
I lived in Gaza almost all my life and I did not face even 7 girls who had forced to marriage!!!
In Islam the father or the brother has no rights to enforce his daughter!!
People who talk about their taxes money should do some thing better!
They should help to improve the worst integration system in the world!
Do not think that immigrants are so happy with the (change) they get from social welfare!
You should ask your self why most of them do not work??
Is it possible that the system is perfect and all of them are bad!!!
There is bad people but only stupied and racist person can call a whole group as a bad people!!
Islam is the solution for humanity and If you read Holy Quran you would think it was written yesterday. it gives you all answers.
I also read news about wearing tight jeans could harm girls n boys. LOL
If you are smart enough you would pick a Holy quran and start reading it. this would help you understand how things work :)
Peace :)
now, of those readers, who have gone the other way and have actually been turned off (maybe even more?) compliments of the likes of 'kind man' and 'idialogue'? <insert a picture of me raising my hand here>
way to go, my friends...peace!
Do you mean support those guys who said:
http://www.thelocal.se/18536/20090330/
And the PP seems to be heading to the EU. Goes to show that there truly is hope for a yet better tomorrow.
Goodbye
If an immigrant or a refugee doesn't want to live by and obey Swedish law...out they go.
Sweden can not bend in towards the outsiders, otherwise this will be the end.
Living together, sharing Bed and Home is the ancient Law of the Land from times immemorial. It was changed, preciesely in Modernity 1915/1920, to be exact.
From the 1980ies this is slowly coming back, but I remind you that up to 1 January 1918 a "Vigsel", marriage ceremony, wasn't needed for the couple to be reckoned, in Law and Society, as a Couple, making the children lawful and full Heirs.
All it took was the consequential thing, that the Father attended the childrens Baptism and that the Couple were sharing Bed and House,
living thogetner is still the norm, but was outlawed by the so called Children's laws in 1915, effective 1/1 1918. Now you know!
It is wrong to compare refugees to dogs liek some of the SDs representatives did, but on the other hand, the truth must be told and the truth is that a lot of the refugees from poor and war torn countries have a lot of parasites and other diseases.
So there, I said it.
Call me racist all you want, but this is about the freedom of speech, not being racist.
Be reminded that there are many arguments both for and against arranged marriages. I used to naively believe that a pre-arranged marriage was "inhumane," but I've now had friends explain the benefits to me. (plus I have attended some pre-arranged weddings)
Today, I better undertand the family, cultural and historical reasons for the pre-arranged marriage. As my friend Raj explains, when your parents choose, you don't have to waste time and energy on "the dating scene," and you can focus your efforts on your education, friends, hobbies and career.
Lastly, the article mentions that "It's such a serious violation of children's rights that society needs to act." But is it not also a violation of people's rights, that a society enforces the rules of marriage?
I have personal friends that have been involved in arranged marriages... from Pakistan, Malasia, India, S. Korea, and Thailand. The only one that was Muslim was the Pakistani. The India couple remains happily married, and the one from Thailand is hanging in there.
then again, look at Apu and Manjula Napasahasa...whatever....from the Simpsons...theirs turned out to be ok....lol
Arranged marriages have existed around the world, even in Europe a couple of centuries ago, but they have no place in a modern western society. In many cases these "marriages" are being used as a way to slip quicker through the immigration system.
Please do enlighten us.
http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=277 has links to reports in British Daily Mail and Telegraph and Ministers' recommendations that forced marriages be outlawed for just this reason.
Bergjon and Angered events in Goteborg as commented upon here is a direct result of Sharia Law. When Sharia Law is "that Islam gives the full rights to the male-female to choose their partners. Forced marriage is a big sin in Islam," (sic) as commented here seems ingenuious when juxtaposed with honor killings, covering the female from head-to-toe, denying education and the ghastly female genital mutilations. So which of this is the truth and which is simply obfuscating justification for propagating an aberration that has no right to exist in Germanic countries and especially in Sweden?
I agree that either you adapt or that you never come to Sweden and that you leave when you do not adapt. You cannot have the good life of Sweden and spit on their culture.
He had delusions of grandeur. He claimed he was receiving messages fom God via the Angel Gabriel. No one was ever present to witness the arrival of these messages and not surprisingly the messages ceased when Muhammad died. In the 1400 years since the death of Muhammad, in spite of the conflicts within Islam, God has not deemed it necessary to send any further messages to his fanatical worshipers. One would have thought he would have wanted to help and advise his most devoted adherents what to do about Israel. Islam is false from top to bottom. As Bertrand Russell said "The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence whatsoever that it is not utterly absurd."