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Parents fined by tax board for nameless son
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Parents fined by tax board for nameless son

Published: 20 Jul 2010 13:16 GMT+02:00
Updated: 20 Jul 2010 13:16 GMT+02:00

The agency has grown tired of waiting for the son's name and has imposed a fine of 4,000 kronor on the father and 2,000 kronor on the mother. The family lives in Nässjö, southeast of central Jönköping.

The law gives parents just three months of reflection before a first name must be registered. According to separate notifications sent to the parents in May, every child must be given one or more given names that must be reported to the agency within three months of birth.

"If a child's guardian fails to register the child's first name within the prescribed period of time, the agency can remind the guardian of this responsibility," the agency wrote.

"Anyone who does not follow the order may have a fine imposed for not submitting a name notification. The name registration must be signed by the child's guardian," it added.

The child was born in March 2009. The parents have not yet responded to the agency about the penalty nor why they have not yet submitted the child's name.

In October, the agency sent a reminder to the guardians regarding the child's name, followed by two orders the following month and another reminder in March to both parents.

By April, an order was sent by registered letter with acknowledgement of receipt sent to both parents. By May, the agency sent separate notices informing both parents that they had been fined.

The Local (news@thelocal.se)

Your comments about this article

14:11 July 20, 2010 by Tiddler
The word "register" in law means to pass ownership to.

Whenever you register something you are passing owneship to that party, your car, your land, even your children. As the new owners the state bodies dictate how those items can be used, e.g. car tax and licence, property tax, child welfare laws.

It's all part of commercial construct, i.e. everything you see and hear is subject to commercial law and contracts which is the law of the sea (admiralty), not the law of the land.

The greatest trick is to hide this from the public, and even when exposed I bet not 1 in 1000 of you will take this seriously, and that simple fact ladies and gentleman is the beauty of the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on mankind.
14:51 July 20, 2010 by kenny8076
what a weird place this is
15:02 July 20, 2010 by Valdemaratterdag
@Tiddler

Yep, you're right. I'm not taking it seriously.
16:02 July 20, 2010 by the pigeon hunter
i m not even getting what you mean, tiddler. can you explain in a more simple way?
16:08 July 20, 2010 by bob3000
@Tiddler

I guess your reply was taken from part of the million monkeys typing, for a million years.

But seriously, printing your own diploma on the internet doesn't mean you can state your assumptions as fact. I'm glad you are not doing any commercial legal work for me.

If you not own a dictionary look it up or try an online dictionary.

reg·is·ter (rj-str)

n.

a. A formal or official recording of items, names, or actions.

b. A book for such entries.

Register in this case is also a verb [ trans. ]

The act of registering.

Surely the kid needs a name, a personal number, etc.
16:49 July 20, 2010 by Puffin
The child needs a name - 16 months is ridiculous - how should he be called for medical check ups etc - letters addressed to 'the child with no name' - will his paediatric journal be listed under 'no name'?

In most countries you have to register a name that is then used in the child's healthcare and education records etc - he won't have a personal number which means no healthcare, childcare and passport

I think the Swedish authorities have been very patient with this family - in Britain you get 42 days - in Sweden 90 days - and so far it has been 1 year and 4 months

The process is so simple as well in Sweden

- the hospital automatically notify the authorities

- they send you a form

- you write in the chosen name

- you send it back

How hard can it be?
17:34 July 20, 2010 by calebian22
Tiddler,

Put the bong down.
17:36 July 20, 2010 by tuerd1982
very irresponsible parent.
19:49 July 20, 2010 by Great Scott
Maybe the parents are not in the right, but dont you think the lazy tax agency should get off their big fat arses and go and knock on their door, just to see even if the child stil exsists. Then if its not to hard for them they will get the chance to ASK the parents face to face.
20:36 July 20, 2010 by Tiddler
Calebian,

That made me laugh out loud.

In answer to Bob, you are looking at the definition of register as defined by a dictionary, not by legalese, which is the language of the law and courts.

The creation of a name followed by a personal number is the process of forming a legal entity separate to the human flesh and blood, that legal entity can then have commercial laws applied upon it, such as fines for not naming your baby within 3 months.

Confirmed by a Swedish lawyer only a few weeks ago when in a cosy little bar, but it's not just Sweden, it's almost every country in the world.
22:08 July 20, 2010 by JulieLou40
@ Puffin-You don't get 42 days in Britain as a whole, though you do in England. My son was born in Scotland, and by law I had to register his name within 3 weeks. Don't know if it's different too for wales or Northern ireland, but Scotland was definitely different when I had to do it.
22:22 July 20, 2010 by sendia
this is a very amusing article

why 4000 kr fine for father and 2000 kr for mother? is this not discrimination? ha ha ha ha.

so did they give the child a family name? maybe thats where the problem is and they are fighting over whose family name the child should have its not allowed for the child to have both their parents family names! :-)

crazy world!
22:34 July 20, 2010 by Nemesis
@ JulieLou40

If you have not registered it in a couple of days in Northern Ireland, you start to get phone calls from birth, deaths and marriages. A few days after that social services. A couple of days after that you get a visit from a social worker asking about adoption.

The hint tends to be very strong.
00:49 July 21, 2010 by JulieLou40
Jeez, really? Wow, they sound pretty on the ball.

Seriously though, what on earth were these idiot parents thinking of??
01:13 July 21, 2010 by jackx123
yeah but we know what goes on in ireland. i bet the priests make visits themselves to check up on the kids.........
01:35 July 21, 2010 by StockholmSam
Let's have a contest to name the kid! I'll go first...

Bejeebus!
08:34 July 21, 2010 by Kevin Harris
Seis Mil Svensson
08:39 July 21, 2010 by Puffin
@Julielou40

I just took the 42 days from the British governments YouGov site rather than looking up what rule exist for each of the 4 devloved governemtns

Regardless of whether it is a few days or 6 weeks in specific areas of Britain - the 12 weeks that you have in Sweden is still generous given that the process is done for you and you don't even have to visit the Folkbokförings registrator here (registrar of biths, marriages and deaths)

@sendia

Re- family names - my kids are born in Sweden and have been registered with both Mr Puffin and my names - so I doubt that this would be the reason

@Great Scott

There will be agencies checking on the baby - probably not the Registrar of the Register of Births, Marriages and Deaths at the Tax Office as their job is administrative - however the BVC nurse comes on a home visit within a few days of leaving hospital and gives you the schedule of baby check-ups. If the baby wasn't attending checks then social services would become involved.
08:56 July 21, 2010 by generalpublic
the way to get around a law like this is to move country in europe before your time to name the baby has expired.burocracy can only keep a check on you if you stay in 1 place
09:13 July 21, 2010 by Nemesis
@ jackx123

Unfortunately that is still happening. The Irish still can not get it into there heads to arrest all of them and deport them back to the capital paedophile city, known as Vatican City.
10:46 July 21, 2010 by Flappytango
what a couple of moron parents...

how about naming your child the day it is born? It is not like having a baby comes as surprise.
10:53 July 21, 2010 by grantike
@ puffin i guess you are married that is why your kids could get your full names.i have a friend and his girlfriend had to argue whose last name the will kid get. this has a simple solution.let the kid get the two.they are unmarried. normally kids gets the mother"s last name

"probably"
12:25 July 21, 2010 by Texrusso
There should be a clause in the law that allows for no name babies. X baby 1, X baby 2 and so forth(to allow for social security number). Parents should have the right to remain undecided as long as they want. If they are still undecided before the child goes to daycare or school, therefore respective school should have the right to give the child a name for school registration and identification. Just my take....
12:27 July 21, 2010 by jazzIIIlove
Interesting, what is the motivation of parent?

At least, how do they call the baby?

Sometimes, i find Sweden a little weird than I always think of.
12:54 July 21, 2010 by Flappytango
if two people cannot decide on a babies name over the duration of a pregnancy they should not be making babies
16:00 July 21, 2010 by bob3000
#10 @Tiddler

Look in any Legal dictionary. You are bonkers.

Don't believe everything people tell you in bars.

This guy is obviously no lawyer - but if you are that gullible...if he promises he will be gentle, just tread carefully. You will learn the hard way...

#25Flappytango

Hear, Hear, well put.
17:22 July 21, 2010 by Uncle
Jihad Osama ben Ibrahim al Abdurrahman ibn Muhammed el Nasrallah Hamas does not fit into the registration form - that is the only reason.
17:24 July 21, 2010 by meanroy
Well this is all very interesting but what did they name the child?

After all "The child was born in March 2009".

Surely they have named it by now. (Shirley?)

Roy.
08:08 July 23, 2010 by raffe
90 days is plenty of time, not?

Take The Netherlands... You have to name your child and register the name and date of birth within 3 business days after birth at city hall. It's usually done by the fathers for obvious reasons. If the father is unknown, and the mother cannot do it herself, then another family member, the doctor, "barnmorska" or a nurse need to do it, but only if they were present during the birth of the child. If for some reason that is also impossible then the mayor or a civil servant appointed by him/her will do it.
07:11 September 30, 2013 by bnutt
so when you register to vote you are passing on ownership of your vote? Register means to make it official or known.
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