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Swedish activists praise Peace Prize winner Liu

Swedish activists praise Peace Prize winner Liu

Published: 08 Oct 2010 13:02 GMT+02:00
Updated: 08 Oct 2010 13:02 GMT+02:00

"We welcome this prize because we have taken up his case for a long time now. He is a prominent figure in the human rights movement in China and we appreciate the spotlight on his situation. We have been calling for his release," Amnesty Sweden press secretary Elisabeth Löfgren told The Local on Friday.

The Swedish Peace and Arbitration Society (SPAS) also welcomed the selection of Liu, but President Anna Ek also worried about the reaction of the Chinese government and the repercussions of the choice for other dissidents in the country.

"The Chinese regime will be pissed off. Instead of releasing political prisoners, it may increase the level of repression," she said.

In announcing Liu as the winner, the Norwegian Nobel Committee cited "his long and non-violent struggle for fundamental human rights in China".

"For over two decades, Liu Xiaobo has been a strong spokesman for the application of fundamental human rights also in China," the Nobel Committee said in a statement.

Liu was sentenced to 11 years in prison and two years' deprivation of political rights last year, a year after helping to author Charter 08, the manifesto on fundamental human rights in China which was published in December 2008, the 60th anniversary of the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

"Through the severe punishment meted out to him, Liu has become the foremost symbol of this wide-ranging struggle for human rights in China," the Nobel Committee said.

Liu was nominated for the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize in January by former Czech president Václav Havel, the Dalai Lama, André Glucksmann, Vartan Gregorian, former New Zealand prime minister Mike Moore, Karel Schwarzenberg, Desmond Tutu and prominent Russian economist and politician Grigory Yavlinsky.

He learned of the nomination through his lawyer while in prison. It is unclear whether he has been informed that he has won the award or when he will find out. Only two other laureates have won while in prison, one of them Burmese dissident Aung San Suu Kyi in 1991.

It is also uncertain how China will react to the news. As Löfgren pointed out, Liu is relatively unknown in the country because citizens are not informed about issues relating to human rights.

In an unprecedented move prior to the announcement, Beijing warned that awarding the prize to Liu could damage China-Norway ties.

Both Amnesty and the Peace and Arbitration Society hope that the prize will result in the release of Liu or a shortening of his prison sentence.

In addition, it it not yet known who will receive the prize on his behalf, nor what he would like to do with the funds. Löfgren pointed out that whoever is chosen to accept the prize must first receive permission from the Chinese authorities to do so.

Liu is the first recipient of the prize from China. The India-based Dalai Lama from Tibet won it in 1989.

Ek was surprised that the early predictions for his win turned out to be accurate. A Dublin-based online betting house declared Liu the winner prior to the announcement and paid out prizes after a surge in betting on Liu led the operators to conclude "the Nobel cat is well and truly out of the bag."

"There is always speculation, but it is never the one who wins it. They felt it coming. Of course, it was our hope he would win," she said.

All the Nobel Prizes are announced and awarded in Stockholm with the exception of the Peace Prize. It is unclear why founder Alfred Nobel chose to include peace as a prize category, nor why he dictated in his will that the prize be administered in Norway, which was still a part of Sweden at the time of his death.

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14:10 October 8, 2010 by hjbkh520
This news hasn't been released on Chinese websites.
14:25 October 8, 2010 by oranqi
Chinse government has already block out all the news on Nobel Peace Prize 2010
14:26 October 8, 2010 by asian369
1.5 billion in China do not accept this nobel prize.. so better to respect the majority.. and this is true essence of democracy...
14:34 October 8, 2010 by RobinHood
Professional and amateur spammers are unwelcome here, whether they represent China, Palestine, Israel, Iran or anyone else.

Please keep these forums free of your boring propaganda. Most posters here are intelligent enough to smell your dogmatic bilge a thousand kilometres away, and stop reading your posts after a few words, so don't waste your, and our, time. Go post elsewhere.
14:35 October 8, 2010 by Dazzler
at the very least, the Nobel committee gained back a fraction of credibility (after last year's farce) with this selection.
14:39 October 8, 2010 by baishayu
Now, you people kill him completely. You don't care others but just enjoy yourself, just like last year.
15:01 October 8, 2010 by glamshek
Totally political bigotry ! It seems the West is watching the strangling ropes very near . Does the West have anything other than getting its fetish ideology of hypocrisy being imposed on the whole world. Iran has been its long time favourite, but China is also no surprise. Fetish Hypocrites
15:05 October 8, 2010 by orndumma
Today, I realise the Nobel Prize for whats its worth...!!

Gotta admire the selection committe to pick this chap defying all the political pressure that would have been forced on it by China...

Let Humanity prevail with peace...!!!
15:18 October 8, 2010 by wiserthanmos
Here is news for you Swedes...50 years from now China still belongs to the Chinese, what do you think will happen to Sweden? well, I tell you...Sweden will become The Islamic Kingdom of Sweden! I couldn't wait to see you lefties set tails and run, but I tell you now lefties...the people that you called "racists" will remember you.
15:18 October 8, 2010 by goober
This is a remarkable choice and an exciting one as Norway has not bowed to chinese pressure as so many other governments have in the past over the Dalai lama, tibetan repression, human rights etc etc. The list sadly is endless. The government blacking out CNN is not surprising.

Fortunately the chinese seem to hunger for something other than the system they currently have and discussion forums are flourishing no matter what the goverment does to censor the internet.

As is so often the case these type of repressive regimes use their own citizens to police each other however china's younger generation are growing in confidence and technical knowlege of the internet and let us hope this prize will demonstrate that the rest of the world has not forgotten china's prisoners of conscience.

Finally Glamshek, you quite obviously have nothing remotely valuable to say on this subject so do not get involved in something you have no knowledge of.
15:20 October 8, 2010 by Localer
i thought Norway will awards the prize to Robert Mugabe of Zimbawe......
15:30 October 8, 2010 by eppie
@wiserthanmos

you are a scared little fella aren't you?

The noble peace and literature prize, and this economy prize are only important to get some good media coverage so that the real nobel prizes of chemistry medicine and physics get the attention they deserve.

Commenting on who got the peace prize is totally useless
15:47 October 8, 2010 by calebian22
This year's prize is indeed a good choice.
16:01 October 8, 2010 by asian369
Last year Mr Obama won this prize and world can see how he really justified the decision for securing PEACE.. this time again, the decision is politically influenced and has nothing to do with actual peace process. Next year, hopefully it would be Isreal PM.
16:05 October 8, 2010 by goober
Asian 369, twice now you have commented on the peace prize and sadly your second comment is as ill informed and as absurd as the first.

Why not tell us who you think should have won the prize and why.
16:17 October 8, 2010 by goober
Why is it politically callous, ill timed and provocative. When would have been a good time to recognise Liu, when everyone had been cowed into submission with the treat of torture, prison, or worse.

Why should the peace prize not be provocative in the extreme, surely the issue of human rights deserves such a reaction.

You mention North Korea and regional stability, it is China's support of the regime that has help keep it afloat!
16:54 October 8, 2010 by littlegirl
That's quite ridiculous and awkward. Chinese people have been longing for Nobel prize for decades, but this time finally got one som unexpected.

Stilling suspecting that The Nobel Peace Price is becoming a tool for some conspiracies, lets see who are the winners in recent year:

2007, Gore, Jr., this is purely a lier calming global warming for promoting new energies with an ultimate goal to gain advantages for Westerns. See what happend in Köpenhamn, God knows that the warming is just nonsense, the little human activities are almost negligible that gives no influence on climate compared to volcanoes and the ocean.

2009, Obama, even he doesn't realize why he wins the prize, the only thing we know is that Norwegian spent millions of dollars from tax payers to cater his arrival.

2010, this guy, the committee passing a signal to the world with a reason to blame Chinese government, and humiliate all the Chinese at the same time. Poor Chinese want to explain but no one hears.
16:59 October 8, 2010 by rafa1981
Another politically charged nobel prize, he can share the hall of fame with Obama, Al Gore and mr Kissinger.

I neither agree with the Chinese government system nor disagree, in my opinion in their home they can do whatever they want if it doesn't affect me, if they are unfair with their people sooner or later the people will take them out of the governmet, as Bob Marley said:

"Yo can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time".

But in a quick look it did seem to me that this guy was the typical western "humanitarian", yes, human rights are also a political/strategical tool.

Quoted form the Zbigniew Bzrezinski entry in wikipedia, check the part in bold.

"Major foreign policy events during his term of office included the normalization of relations with the People's Republic of China (and the severing of ties with the Republic of China), the signing of the second Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty (SALT II), the brokering of the Camp David Accords, the transition of Iran from an important US client state to an anti-Western Islamic Republic, encouraging dissidents in Eastern Europe and emphasizing certain human rights in order to undermine the influence of the Soviet Union,[2] the financing of the mujahideen in Afghanistan in response to the Soviet deployment of forces there[3] (allegedly either to help deter a Russian invasion, or to deliberately increase the chance of such an intervention occurring—or for both contradictory reasons simultaneously being embraced by separate US officials[4]) and the arming of these rebels to counter the Soviet invasion, and the signing of the Torrijos-Carter Treaties relinquishing overt US control of the Panama Canal after 1999."

Now the war is with China.
17:11 October 8, 2010 by goober
Littlegirl

Perhaps it would be easier for the chinese government to exlain if you could actually talk about the subject in china without being thrown into jail.

What exactly is it that the chinese want to explain. What you are saying is 1.5 billion chinese people are very happy having no right to political views, no freedom of speech, limited access to the internet and the threat of inprisonment for not following the government line

Maybe the chinese leaders should explain to their own people first.......oh....thats right they can not because the media is censored, CNN is off the air, the internet limited and often shut down, Google is asked to censor those using it's services.

Liu was an excellent choice and your comments simply prove that. Perhaps you are happy with the system as it stands, however you are lucky to be excercising your right to free speech without fear of jail. Why should Liu not enjoy the same rights.
17:31 October 8, 2010 by asian369
Liu Xiabo was arrested and tried and jailed for 11 years on the charge of "inciting subversion of state power." This is crime under the Chinese constitution. How a person who attempted to incite subervison can be made winner of Nobel prize for PEACE. The committee for Nobel Prize should have alteast consulted some dictionary to understand the meaning of word "PEACE".
17:32 October 8, 2010 by littlegirl
@goober

Seems you are really a politically naive in great extent.

Media Censoring as a political tool it is necessary many context, almost all the countries in the world censor their media, but just more or less. Have you realized your phone callings are censored by Swedish Agency?

There are 1.5 billion people out there in China, and the country was setup just for 60 years ago. Not mention if an another single country exists in this planet is capable in managing such a number people, imagining if a social unrest really happens, I guess you are gonna be happy with it then.

China is developing, there are many defects in its political and social system. you may criticize, but just give it time to get on the road.
17:43 October 8, 2010 by asian369
@littegirl.... "China is developing, there are many defects in its political and social system. you may criticize, but just give it time to get on the road"...

They dont want to see China on the road, therefore they are doing things well planned and on TIME. And one such move we witnessed today.
18:05 October 8, 2010 by goober
Asian 369

Liu was arrested and sentenced after a 2 hour trial. His crime was discussing the 1989 pro democracy movement. Perhaps you regard a 2 hour trial as fair and just. Inciting subversion of state power is a catch all phrase the government uses to get rid of "problem people"

It is not so different from the soviet union declaring human rights activists in the 1970's and 80 insane then hospitalising and drugging them.

Little girl, china is indeed developing and basic human rights are a measure of progress. However when do chinese leaders feel BASIC human rights will be respected.

Judging by the overwhelming reacation of the communist leadership to the tibetan question not very soon. You are an apologist for a totalitarian regime that does not respect human rights let alone human beings.
19:00 October 8, 2010 by asian369
Worst violation of human rights are the legacy of West. Two world wars , genocide of jews, expellsion of Roma people. Killing of thousands of innocent civilians by NATO in afghanistan. Where are the BLOODY HUMAN RIGHTS NOW?????? Stop pointing finger on others when your own feet are in the dirt.
20:24 October 8, 2010 by goober
Someone needs to teach Asien a little about history. The 2 major claims of progress the chinese communist party has are the great leap forward and the cultural revolution. Conservative estimates put the death toll at 60-80,000,000 people. An idealogical disaster area.

Why do you use the horrors of the 2 wars in europé to justify such madness and butchery. Perhaps when you murder 80 million people in the name of ideaology it seems less toublesome.

One of the most repressive chinese regimes, the Han, who could be thought of as the rulers of the first unified china, opressed their citizens 2000 years ago. The chinese psyche remains the same today.

I am very happy to produce a reading list for you if you want to engage in history, otherwise your views seem terribly un-eductated and one would suspect you work for the chinese embassy here.

Th question remains………who would you put forward for the peace prize.
20:35 October 8, 2010 by asian369
@goober... we(chineese) were wearing silk when you were using leaves to cover your bodies.. so don't teach us the civilization .
20:35 October 8, 2010 by goober
Someone needs to teach Asien a little about history. The 2 major claims of progress the chinese communist party has are the great leap forward and the cultural revolution. Conservative estimates put the death toll at 60-80,000,000 people. An idealogical disaster area.

Why do you use the horrors of the 2 wars in europé to justify such madness and butchery. Perhaps when you murder 80 million people in the name of ideaology it seems less toublesome.

One of the most repressive chinese regimes, the Han, who could be thought of as the rulers of the first unified china, opressed their citizens 2000 years ago. The chinese psyche remains the same today.

I am very happy to produce a reading list for you if you want to engage in history, otherwise your views seem terribly un-eductated and one would suspect you work for the chinese embassy here.

Th question remains………who would you put forward for the peace prize.
21:16 October 8, 2010 by goober
Asian, you quite obviously have no answer to the point I made. I could argue whilst the chinese were involved in The Rape Of Nanking we were practicing our back hand on the tennis courts of Sussex.

Maybe you need to accept the fact we respect freedom of speech, of movement, of religion (falun gong) whilst the chinese have no concept of human rights or personal freedom.
21:52 October 8, 2010 by asian369
@goober.. I even consider an Insult to compare great China's civilization with the most wicked group of nations called EU. I know how you really care about the freedom of speech specially if someone deny holocaust.

EU do not have to dictate us the meaning of "what human rights are"..

If the government representing 1.5 billion, declared him as criminal and considers him a great threat to PEACE in China... how could you justify to award the same as PEACE-Lover.
22:11 October 8, 2010 by goober
Asian

I think you are slightly missing the point, it is not the Eu that finds China's human rights record dreadful, it is most of the civilised world. I shall not bother listing china's insults to Tibet, the Dalai lama, Taiwan, etc

I do not include N Korea, Uzbekistan etc in this group but you can not keep defending your position by believing opposition to the chinese system is limited to what you probably think is white, middle class, european colonialists.

Further more you keep asserting the idea that the communist leadership represents1,5 billion chinese. This is absurd. You may remember Idi Amin, the president of Uganda. I lived there whilst he was in power and he claimed to be the king of the Scots........kind of the same madness as considering one man who wants to discuss the contemporay history of the democratic movement as a great threat to a civilisation that has survived 5000 years of history.

I again ask you, who would you recommend for the peace prize.
22:23 October 8, 2010 by asian369
@groober.... I mean how you really feel if some lobby like nobel prize committee award Osama bin Ladin to be Nobel prize winner for Peace. Hero at one side is always considered terrorist by other side... but this controvertial award has made us clear one thing that...Nobel prize is no more independent..rather badly influenced by SOMEONE(and you know who are "SOMEONE").
22:38 October 8, 2010 by goober
Asian

Liu has not killed anyone, he has not encouraged murder, he does not want to over throw governments, he is not on a religious crusade, he does not use hate and intolerance as a weapon, he is for democracy rather than OBL who wants to choke us all with his idea of islam and wahabism.

To make that connection is really lacking in sophistication and makes me think perhaps your view of the world order is somewhat immature.

Naturally, arguing from the position you do, the US has to be the main culprit, god forbid the Norwegians are able to think for themselves.

Why is it you think the US can convince everyone to do as they wish except
22:40 October 8, 2010 by svenskamerikansk
This is sure to make Volvo's new management most unhappy.
22:45 October 8, 2010 by goober
Oops, the cat is out of the bag.

I think Volvo needs to see if Geely has bought the company on öppet köp.
23:00 October 8, 2010 by asian369
@goober.. Do you know the consequences of "inciting subversion of state power."... though he like OSL didnt kill anyone but affects would have been much worst... and secondly the democracy you precieve and wish other to follow doesn't work with us. China is on the way towards progress, and these impediments are meant for some PURPOSE but unfortunately at the cost of very nobel criteria(Nobel prize)...
23:06 October 8, 2010 by goober
Asian

I have very much enjoyed discussing this matter with you although I think we will never agree about the nobel prize.

Maybe I am wrong but I suspect you are chinese, perhaps you work for the embassy here.

It would be very interesting to hear how you see china developing in the next 10 years.

Will china ever have democracy and freedom of speach. Is chinas ultimate goal the resurection of the Celestial Kingdom.
23:34 October 8, 2010 by asian369
goober

Chinese know what to do and what not to do. We neither like dictations on the subject of democracy nor be impressed with so called freedom of speech. We know what we were, what we are and what we are heading to. But anyways thanks to nobel prize for helping us to recognize the foes and friends.
00:01 October 9, 2010 by samwise
asian369, where did you get the data that "1.5 billion in China do not accept this nobel prize"? there is not even a free election in communist china. Lying is not good, I suppose you'd agree with me on that.
00:40 October 9, 2010 by Essjay
Comment: To Asian 369 What state are you talking about , the Communist State or the Capitalist State ? Trouble is in my early days I was a proud revolutionary radical Maoist , read all the works of Chairman Mao , Chou -En-Li , had my little red book , was absolutely fascinated by the great march , the great leap forward , the gang of four ,even met members of the Red Army , China was the best example of a true Socialist State ! Back then though we never really knew the truth but now we do , especially after the slaughter of the students in Tiananmen square ! Just like Stalin now the tales of horror come out ! China never was a true Communist State but one of terror ! Bleating on about revisionism ! Most revisionised Communists ever ! Pure hypocrites ,preaching Communism but practising Capitalism ! Communist my arse ! Sorry but with more billionaires than other countries your having a laugh ,who,s ever, ever, heard of a Communist Billionaire ? The controlling powers of China ,who only tolerate democracy for their ultra rich friends of Congress and party cadres while others suffer make me sick .!! Looks like it,s time for a Revolution ! History repeats itself (that,s a Marxist statement mate but then you probably don,t know who he is !)
10:55 October 9, 2010 by RobinHood
@asian369

Please refer to post #4.

I smell party bilge coming from the east. Please ask asian368 sitting at the PC to your left, and asian 370 sitting at the PC to your right, to go an do something useful. Or do you all sit in numerical disorder in that huge room full of PC's at the Ministry of Truth?

You are busted my Chinese apparatchik friend. I told you we could smell you here.
11:44 October 9, 2010 by Zhang
it seems a lot of people do not know the person and do not know the fact of China but they speak loudly here cheering for Liu's winning. I know there are a lot of people hate China, maybe it is developing too fast.

There are many more persons in China actually having done something valuable to people's rights than him. He is more like an empty speaker and does not contribute anything to Chinese people. The news is not necessary to be banned and he should not be put into prison, but in the meantime he does not deserve the prize at all.

This prize is very Occidental and very political influenced. Chinese people should not care about this. Even if he won the prize now, it will not make any big difference.
12:08 October 9, 2010 by maybe1117
No matter what China is, No matter what China has, No one from the external has the right to interfere with the issue in China by using this foolish way.

Such a Nobel Prize will not represent the so called mainstream or significant thing annually if it will be supporting some criminals of one country, at least in China.

You have your democracy, We own our living situation which we have adapted for several centuries. So just take care of your own issues, it is enough.

If Norway had 1.2 billion people and had been invaded by other countries for a long time before, you will not have the leisure to award such prize or shouts 'democracy','democracy','democracy' everyday. What you have to do is developing your country and do not let other countries to invade your country and kill your people again.

Different economy situation will bring different types of democracy. Please do not

want to influence the core of China by using such an unfriendly prize to a criminal in China. You get one people who makes your 'democracy' shining brightly,you loose more. So when you do not understand what China is,please do not speak loudly.

I propose that someday The Nobel prize can be awarded to a criminal in USA to see what Americans will react then.
12:55 October 9, 2010 by Kevin Harris
@maybe 1117

"If Norway ..... had been invaded by other countries for a long time before"

You are clearly ignorant about Norway's history. Discuss it with maybe1116 and maybe 1118, and get back to us.
13:12 October 9, 2010 by littlegirl
@RobinHood

"Please refer to post #4", very impressed by your bravery of quoting your own yawps and twiddling your "censorship" in the forum.

And by the way, avoid to use the term "WE", you stand for your doggy behavior, don't clench and drag others in. And you'd probably need to rise your butt up to claim copyright from your buddy Kevin who steals your concept.
13:12 October 9, 2010 by goober
Zhang, why is Liu an empty speaker, is it because the govermnet wants to silence him.

Who are these people who have contributed so much more than him and what is their contribution.

You speak like one of Madam Mao's Red Guard during the Cultural Revolution. It is not simply enough to mindlessly repeat what you have been told by The Party, you must think!

And that is why Liu is in jail........because he was brave enough to think,,,,,,,sadly a crime in China
15:37 October 9, 2010 by ghostwriter
For those of you trying to discuss this with various Asians (especially Chinese).

There is no education or reasoning about human rights in China. It's very difficult to discuss human rights with someone who doesn't know what it is. Keep that in mind.

Everything that is reported about Liu Xiaobo in China is from a PRC:s perspective. What Liu Xiaobo has done for the Chinese people and human rights in China is censored. They don't know how it relates to the TIananmen massacre etc. There is only one truth in China: The PRC.

Do also note that it's often difficult for people here to accept criticism from the outside. Chinese people do often criticize local officials amongst themselves, but when it comes from the outside, they go crazy; start making irrational arguments about colonialism etc.

What i think is worrisome, is that the PRC threatens Norway's democracy: "If the Norway doesn't adjust it's freedom of speech, there will be consequences". It shows that China is ready to cross borders with its one-sided world view, expecting other countries to adopt Chinese censorship.
16:05 October 9, 2010 by goober
The reaction to China's attempted blackmail of Norway should be immediate and strong from the international community.

China and by that I mean the PRC is party to a wide range of international agreements, is on the security council at the UN, a member of the WTO etc etc and needs to recognise that there are certain obligations inherent in these agreements.

The Boxer rebellion was a classic chinese reaction to what they saw as the slighting of the Middle Kingdom and in essence nothing has changed in 180 years. The threatening of a democratic country and it's right to free speech by the PRC is actually quite shocking. The fact that so many people are leaving comments saying China has the right to do this and defending this behaviour is truly distasteful.

Because of the nature of censorship in china, access to outside news and views, the stifling of free speech, the imprisoning of human rights activists and the total disregard of the value of human life by the PRC, I have this horrible suspicion that Littlegirl, Asian and Maybe 1117 are sitting in the Chinese Embassy monitoring swedish reaction to the Nobel prize.....doing exactly the same as all other chinese embassies around the world.

It is not so difficult to believe when you consider that a conservative estimate has been made that there are in excess of 50,000 internet police, not including the general population who are encouraged to spy and report on brothers, mothers, fathers and each other.

The west's reaction to china's attempt to bully us into submission when it comes to human rights must be clear and without ambiguity.....we will not bow to threats of political and ecomomic retaliation. We in the west are not the general chinese populace who have been beaten into submission with the threat of jail, abuse and systematic harassment.

As soon as the west gives an inch it will be a clear signal that the PRC can continue to treat the general population with the brutality they have been known for over the last 60 years of it's existance.
16:32 October 9, 2010 by RobinHood
@Littlegirl

".....you stand for your doggy behavior, don't clench and drag others in."

Can we hear more from you on this theme please?
17:19 October 9, 2010 by samwise
maybe1117: "No matter what China is, No matter what China has, No one from the external has the right to interfere with the issue in China by using this foolish way."

- no matter what Hitler is, no one from the external has the right to interfere with the issue in nazi Germany, correct? Are you out of your mind? You seem to being reading some communist Q&A manual, it sounds plain stupid.

maybe1117: "Such a Nobel Prize will not represent the so called mainstream or significant thing annually if it will be supporting some criminals of one country, at least in China."

- How do you know it will not represent the mainstream? Because you say so, so it must be so? It sounds stupid too. By the way, the former No. 1 guy of the communist regime Xiaoping Deng was once named the enemy of the chinese people, is he still considered an enemy? so who was wrong back then?

I happen to know a thing or two about china, it is not another planet, and the people there are not some outer space aliens. It's a manufactured lie that chinese can only be understood by fellow chinese, it's just a communist regiome's trick to silence criticism.
17:28 October 9, 2010 by Prat
Of course the Peace Prize raises hackles. Which policies most threaten War and Misery? Which people are most abused? Who is working to alleviate those threats?

The nuclear threat is huge, and anti-nuclear activist Mordechai Vanunu has drawn wide attention for his whistle-blowing activities. But his selection would greatly disturb imperialists & Zionists. It can also be debated that knowledge of Israeli nuclear operations reduces the deterrence effect of nuclear arsenals. Further, Vanunu himself reportedly (acc. to Haaretz) begs not to be considered for a Nobel Peace Prize.

Perhaps stimulating controversy is a form of successful choice? Most choices (certainly including Liu Xiaobo) will cause outrage & anger to some people. Will the committee awarding the Nobel Peace Prize speak for those whose voices can't be heard? We always hope so ...
22:13 October 9, 2010 by bheatrix
Finally a worthy winner, the last years winners have been a joke. Thanks Norway for giving our peace prize to Obama and Gore...
22:25 October 9, 2010 by rafa1981
I think that "fundacion vicente ferrer" was deserving that price, it can be good to fight for the freedom of speech, but death is a bigger problem, they were saving lives.
23:45 October 9, 2010 by samwise
Zhang, you said "Chinese people should not care about this. Even if he won the prize now, it will not make any big difference. "

you should really try to convince the communist regime, apparently they thought it's a big deal, and it could make a big difference, and the chinese people would care about it, so they censored the news all together. what a bunch of morons. You may do the chinese a service by preventing the commies from doing this kind of stupid things. Tell them you are the smart one, they "do not know the person and do not know the fact of China".

What makes you think you "know the person and the fact of china"? can you prove that?
02:06 October 10, 2010 by wiserthanmos
Stop talking already my Chinese friends or people will stop buying your shitty products then see how fast your country developing can be? You think you going to be a super power? Think again. Let's have a Geopolitics lesson shall we? Look at what countries are surrounded you, look at your neighbours. In the North, you got Russia, in the East you got Japan and Koreas, in the South you got Vietnam and in the West you got India. So you see the picture now? If you play your hand poorly then may be Vietnam and Japan will pursue nuclear weapons(for Japan is a piece of cake, for VN is may be harder, but feasible) then you are completely surrounded by nuclear power neighbours, see how fun is that going to be? This is Geopolitics that you ought to know!
09:48 October 11, 2010 by bjinger
Liu is a tool of the western. the shameful committee of the prize is blackmailing China and humiliating the Chinese people.Liu is a crimial in any sense of the western standard.
11:52 October 11, 2010 by samwise
bjinger, do you have evidence that "Liu is a tool of the western"? why "Liu is a crimial in any sense of the western standard"? Since you suspect people might be tools of some force, may I ask: why are you not a tool of the chinese communist regime?
13:26 October 11, 2010 by bjinger
May i resonably ask, are you a tool of western democracy? yes you are.but you have to admit that all people can never live a same way of life, though they were born equeal(never be the ture in your country either). It's the diversity that makes the world beutiful.When you talke democracy, the American Indians laugh; when you talked about human rights, the Iraqi and many more developing countries peole laugh; when you talk about Liu Xiaobo, the Chinese people laugh; when you talk Nobel Peace Price, the majority laugh.
14:30 October 11, 2010 by samwise
bjinger, you didn't answer my questions, you made the accusations, you should have something to back them up.

I wonder why the ones against Liu all have similar behavior.
17:06 October 11, 2010 by goober
Samwise

Interestingly, I also tried to ask Littlegirl and Asian questions such as you have done but not once did they come back with an answer.......only more vacuous propaganda.

It is like banging your head against a brick wall.

Bjinger, you say when one talks about Liu Xiabo the chinese people laugh. You can not have your agument both ways. The Chinese people do not laugh because the PRC does not tell them about him and the fact he has won the preace prize, your newspapers, internet, television and radio in censored. Remeber, in China you go to jail for talking abot Liu.

So what is it, the chinese laugh and there is no censorship or the people keep quite because they will likely end up in jail.
17:40 October 11, 2010 by bjinger
Do the media in the west tell the truth about China? the answer is not.The western elite bloc with the cold mentality is still interested in the ideaological games, that simply divides the world as the so-called democratic and undemocratic, but the world today is not that simple.

I suggested you interview those who just lived or worked in China,or simply have taken a short trip from China, they will teach you and tell you a different China. The western media in general don't and will not tell its people true China, why? there is CENSORSHIP created by the bloc itself.
18:04 October 11, 2010 by samwise
goober, here we go, a load of more wild accusations, that's pretty much the best they can come up with. I used to live in china for quite some time, not all people there are this ridiculous, otherwise I wouldn't have survived. lol

It does get a bit scary when I see half a dozen "bjinger"'s in a row, it makes me want to reread George Orwell's Animal Farm.
18:06 October 11, 2010 by goober
Bjinger

I am glad that you are enjoying to the full your right to free speech........it is a shame that you do not support the right of others to enjoy the same.

Your arguments sadly do not adress any of the issues raised here and the thinness of those arguments seems dressed up in some absurd 1970 PRC propaganda speak.

Please tell me how you would describe China today, is it democratic, un-democratic or somewhere in the middle and how would you describe the regime in North Korea.
19:34 October 11, 2010 by bjinger
how i wish you knew Chinese language, that will enable you to join in the bbs in the 3 billion people internet communication. their free expression will shock you!
20:05 October 11, 2010 by goober
I am really quite amazed how you can sit there and try telling us what is happening in china. Minutes ago on the news there was a report of human rights activists being harassed by the police.

Teng Biao, a lawyer was taken away by the police, other activists are under survelillance, telephones have been cut off, the list goes on and on.

There is one thing holding political views but you are either a very foolish person or someone who is simply too frightened to think.

Have you ever sat down and wondered why all of eastern europe rejected communism, the lack of free speech, human rights etc etc. The only reason why communism remains in china is because the PRC will do anything and everything to hold onto power.

Again and again the chinese communist party has shown they will sacfrifice millions of people to remain in power.

If the internet is so free in china why is it monitored by tens of thousands of people, why has Google been in a battle with the PRC all year about self censorship and why is Tiananmen Square a subject that will get you put in jail.

There is only PRC vetted free expression in china and you are proof of that.

One does not need to speak chinese to have read the hundreds of books by prisoners, lawyers, human rights advocates, all chinese I might add. I would reccomend Life and Death In Shanghai by Nien Cheng as a good place to start with your education because you are very lacking in a well rounded world view, you are merely a mouth piece for the PRC........and I must say not a very good one.
20:06 October 11, 2010 by samwise
bjinger, I happen to read chinese. but I'm sorry that I'm far from shocked by "their free expression", I know their posts are censored too. which bbs allows discussion about Fa Lun Gong? or Tiananmen square massacre in 1989? You can't hide behind the chinese language and fool around.

Can you just answer the questions?
20:13 October 11, 2010 by arabantoine
This year by this comment:

A Noble Farce

This year too (2010)

Award the Nobel Peace Prize to a prisoner for political reasons is no longer tenable, nor sustainable or acceptable.

First, how many politicians in the world (not only in the third world, to clarify!) would like or wish to jail their opponents, or at least one of their political enemies, but they are not able to implement it?

Second, if we take into consideration the amount of prisoners of conscience in our world, from Asia to Africa passing by all the other continents without distinction (probably it would have been more reasonable to laureate the Romans who were expelled from France! But the problem is that the romans are not prisoners of conscience, they are prisoners because of the lack of conscience), and those who are struggling and fighting in their countries for freedom, democracy and human rights... The Norwegian Academy would need to distribute each year hundreds, or perhaps tens of thousands of such awards.

In this context, we may wonder about the reason for not giving this award to the many who fought in the liberation movements and contributed to the country's liberation from dictatorships...???

It is a ridiculous destination of this Award… its majesty the Academy didn't have the integrity and didn't cede or assign to grant it to a prisoner whose imprisonment lasted for 27 years, Nelson Mandela, in a time of persecution and torture during the apartheid in South Africa, but its Highness did cede and gave it to him side-by-side with his jailer, after he was released from prison. What mockery!

Third, the award does not respect the principles established by its founder:

According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded to the person who:

"...shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses!"

Hence, we are simply asking: when will this Academy, with its elegant members (at least in their clothing), wake up (they perhaps could not sleep because of their elegance and the complete clothes so they can be awakened up) and realize that time is developing, moving on, progressing, advancing... Notwithstanding they are still wearing their Smoking, with the Papillion and all the rest of insignias and decorations and medals… and they issue their decisions randomly strayly, or perhaps they think that fancy looks are enough to convince the world?

Anyway, if we make a profound research maybe we might find some reasons behind this choice, and survey the Asian tigers… maybe we could find some treasures beneath, as golden eggs… but the question is: does a tiger lay eggs?

And inside "The Norwegian Nobel Institute" it is not the fable but the Farce that is still going on!

http://critiqueonline.org/?p=122
20:16 October 11, 2010 by samwise
I just tried tianya.cn, one of the largest online communities in china, guess what it turned up when I searched Liu Xiaobo ("刘晓波"), an error message saying "The connection was reset".

I'm not shocked. Nobody is. Nice chinese version of "free expression" I guess.
20:33 October 11, 2010 by goober
Samwise

I also tried Baidu, the chinese search engine and typed in Tiananmen Square massacre.

It does not exist and it never happened.

Still, despite all of the words written here the people who think Liu is a criminal have not managed to answer any of the questions posed to them. And the reason for that is the PRC does not teach them these skills.
13:53 October 12, 2010 by bjinger
Many comments above are lying.

The news about the win of Nobel Peace prize 2010 was reported in Chinese media which can be seen in the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman's remarks on the day of 8th Oct. 2010.

The news isa mock to the Prize.
18:45 October 12, 2010 by goober
What the chinese foreign minister said was, "Liu Xiaobo is a criminal who broke China's laws and was convicted by Chinese judicial authorities. What he did runs in opposite directions to the purposes of the Prize. It's a complete violation of the principles of the prize and an insult to the peace prize itself for the Nobel committee to award the prize to such a person."

The interesting thing is that it is for the norwegians and the peace prize commitee to make these decisions and they did not feel they were violating the spirit of the peace prize, they were interpreting what Alfred Nobel would have wanted. The world has changed a great deal since 1901 and the awarding of the first prize. Look at china, an emperor, a communist state, the great leap forward, the cultural revolution, the 100 flowers campaign, Deng Xiaoping in favour and Mao's sucessor and then a capitalist roadster, billionaires etc etc.

What I find so frightening about you Bjinger is your total lack of understanding of chinese history. You know absolutely nothing, you are the proverbial empty cup. You are the original blank page that the PRC has written on.

Just because Yang Jiechi says Liu is a criminal does not necessarily mean he is by the standards of the rest of the world. Would you believe the moon was made of cheese of Mr Jiechi said it was.
22:44 October 12, 2010 by samwise
goober, propagandists don't debate, don't respond, they just dump whatever they are given. They're on a mission.

It's still nice getting them beat up at every turn.
09:09 October 13, 2010 by goober
Samwise

You are quite right.

This is as simple as shooting fish in a barrel.
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