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Sweden braces for record freeze

Published: 30 Nov 2010 10:43 GMT+01:00
Updated: 30 Nov 2010 10:43 GMT+01:00

Temperatures across the country are expected to drop to record lows for the first week of December, with the exception of the far north, with averages coming in 7-10 degrees Celsius below normal.

Stockholm registered -11 degrees Celsius at the weekend, the coldest November temperature since 1965 and the mercury is set to plunge further on Wednesday and Thursday, dropping as low as -15.

"It is far below average temperatures, which usually oscillate around zero at this time of the year," said Alexandra Ohlsson, a meteorologist with SMHI.

Dalarna and Jämtland in northern Sweden will also be hit with the harsh weather. The Storsjön lake in the heart of Jämtland's main city Östersund has already frozen over in most parts.

SMHI forecasted that in southern and central areas the cold will ease off somewhat come Friday. Northern Norrland will however drop to minus 14-17 degrees Celsius in the middle of the day.

The sub-zero temperatures are here to stay though, even in the south, Alexandra Ohlsson said.

"It looks like the sub-zero temperatures will persist," she said.

With more snow on the way in from the Baltic Sea, the current high snow depth of eight decimetres, recorded in Tidaholm in western Sweden, is set to be exceeded.

Habo and Mullsjö are some of the most wintry white municipalities in southern and central Sweden, and warnings have been issued over the dangers associated with heavy snowfalls.

Emergency services in Jönköping county in central Sweden are urging people to check their roofs, especially split-level houses where deep pockets of heavy snow can form.

SMHI was reluctant to issue a forecast for Christmas and on whether the temperatures will remain low enough to keep away the slush that typifies the festive season in many parts of southern and central Sweden.

TT/Peter Vinthagen Simpson (news@thelocal.se)

Your comments about this article

11:44 November 30, 2010 by harpist
We in UK expect these temperatures in winter Sweden, but not in Wales where it also registered -17C the other day!!!
11:49 November 30, 2010 by HYBRED
It must be global warming.
11:58 November 30, 2010 by shame, shame
climate change is the term
12:00 November 30, 2010 by Dr. Dillner
Somebody please tell Al Gore about this inconvenient truth!
12:13 November 30, 2010 by StockholmSam
"Dr." Dillner

Why tell Al Gore? He pointed it out rather clearly in his movie. One symptom of climate change resulting from global warming is that certain areas will experience much colder winters. The basic idea of climate change is that the earth's ecology is a holistic system and each piece depends on the other pieces. When one piece gets out of whack, the other pieces adjust. These adjustments are expected to take the form of extreme heatwaves and droughts in some areas as well as extreme cold spells in other areas. Simple to understand, really.
12:26 November 30, 2010 by Shibumi
Thank you Stockholm Sam. Your patience in explaining this to those who never bothered to learn the difference between weather and climate is commendable.
12:42 November 30, 2010 by Bringer
I love how people latch onto the word "warming" and forget about the actual science behind all of this.
13:00 November 30, 2010 by PAVR
Unfortunately, however - areas such as Scandinavia and the Arctic are NOT among those predicted to experience colder winters according to those scientists busy being experts on climate change.

As last weeks inconveneint data from the UN on the rate of global warming shows us - our current ideas on if & why climate change is happening are off the mark.
13:38 November 30, 2010 by Grippen
Lesson to be learned: one can never trust left wing polititians.

Their predictions just never come true: comunism turned into global slaugther, and global warming turned into global freezing.
14:14 November 30, 2010 by David S
I was wondering when the climate change denialist idiots would start with their blather. The "global warming" science *predicted* this cold weather for Europe this year. It's caused by the excessive warming in the arctic.

So the science predicts something. It comes true. The denialist idiots consider this evidence the science is wrong!

Oh how ... predictable!
14:17 November 30, 2010 by Eagle63
Here in Holland its the same sh.t; lots of snow, freezing cold and dangerous slippery roads. Last monday we broke our evening-rush traffic jam record; almost 1000 km of 'parked' cars on the Dutch highways...!

Luckily my Saab 9-5 will keep me safe and warm...

Can't wait to retire from this chaos (191 months and counting...) and spend every Dec, Jan and Feb in Florida..!
17:24 November 30, 2010 by double concerto
Looks like the weather is going to be too white for all you multiculturalists in Sweden, how can you change that???
17:24 November 30, 2010 by roaringchicken92
The global warming alarmists are also now telling us that air pollution in Asia, particularly in China, is the primary cause of the global cooling we've experienced over the last ten years. Scientists are trying to encourage operators of coal-fired generator plants to clean up their emissions so they can again set about reemphasizing that air pollution causes global warming.

Another group of these scientists has just returned from the arctic summer to tell us that polar ice is melting. They will now head to the antarctic summer to prove that the polar ice is melting there as well.

Guys and gals, if you tell me that "pollution is bad, we should do something about it" or "overfishing is dangerous and needs to be controlled", I'm apt to believe you. Don't feed me self-contradictory bullsh*t and expect me to believe it.
18:44 November 30, 2010 by riose
Somebody please tell Dennis Quaid!
19:26 November 30, 2010 by Tanskalainen
It's obvious God is fed up with Sweden. Worst winter in a hundred years, earthquakes, Malmo, etc.
20:31 November 30, 2010 by mikewhite
Unfortunately the term "global warming" is too simplistic, with its implication of everywhere in the world getting hotter.

It would be more accurate to indicate that more energy is entering the system - if you do that to a refrigerator, then one part gets hotter (the back of the fridge) whereas another part gets colder (the inside).

Again, simplistic !
20:41 November 30, 2010 by fisherman2727
Come to canada you pansies, we will take that any winter!
20:51 November 30, 2010 by Ron Pavellas
Let us agree there is and will be climate change until there is no more climate. We can argue whether man's activities are between zero% and 100% responsible for the current 'change.' In the meanwhile, I will watch with interest to see who will be on the worldwide committee charged with the responsibility of maintaining the level of the 7 seas at optimum levels, and to see how successful the committee will be. We certainly can and should stop polluting the environment as much as we are, but there is no 'science' that can save us from what Nature will do. Science is not a thing or a group of people who agree on stuff. Science is a process of finding out how the world works, to a reasonable degree of certainty--until new facts are found to change our theories.
21:04 November 30, 2010 by babychuma
I love how this went from "Global Warming" to just climate change. It seems any bad weather is suspect, isn't that "conveinient"
21:17 November 30, 2010 by JoeArciniega
Note the almost religious tone adopted by the Global Warming alarmists. If anyone dares question the fact that the earth is getting cooler, they are an "idiot".

Forty years ago we were all warned how CFCs were creating a hole in the ozone that would cause the onset of the next ice age. More recently we've been told that carbon emissions will lead to steadily rising temperatures all over the globe (i.e. global warming). Given that the facts don't quite line up with the "science", maybe it's time to drop the dogma and consider that there may be other factors at work (e.g. changing proximity to the sun, sun spots, etc.).
21:19 November 30, 2010 by Jim in HOuston
Must be that Global Warming thingy.
21:22 November 30, 2010 by jon100
Al Gore shortly after Katrina wrecked New Orleans declared that Katrina was evidence of Global Warming. So it seems that the great nobel prize winner thinks local weather IS EVIDENCE of warming, if so, then it is fair to say that unusually cold weather is evidence against G. Warming. But I suppose you disaster mongers (who claim to have a monopoly on science), want it both ways - yours.
21:23 November 30, 2010 by PACoug
Puh-leeze, warmists! Even Saint Al of Gore has left this religion, why do you continue to cling bitterly to it?

Al used his Oscar-winning fraud to pump up shares of his pyramid scam, the Chicago Climate Exchange. He has made millions off suckers like you who invested in his bullcrap.

Well, last year he took his profits and sold his share of the CCE which has now closed its doors. What did he do with his gains? Did he invest in new climate research? Did he move to higher ground?

Nope. He spent nearly ten million dollars on an opulent beach house in Malibu.

I ask you: if you were convinced global warming was causing sea levels to rise, would you spend ten million dollars on a fancy house on the beach?

Now, I know a lot of Americans are "under water" in their mortgages right now.

But that situation is still preferable to spending ten million bucks on a mansion that will soon be under the Pacific Ocean.

When will you lunkheads realize you've been had by the Political "Scientists?"
21:25 November 30, 2010 by robertg222
Weather is not evidence of climatic trend. Weather events tell us absolutely nothing about anthropogenic influence on the climate system but weather actually is climate since climate is merely the sum of all weather events over a given period.

But it always funny to see the warmest try to ignore that the weather is just doing what is has for 100's of years. Which just shows that the climate isn't changing.

Thank you mother nature for exposing the climate change scam.
21:36 November 30, 2010 by BigBilly
Just had 8 centimetre snow fall in 3 hours here in Hull! On top of about 15 cm that came yesterday.
21:41 November 30, 2010 by StopMakingSense
>>I love how people latch onto the word "warming" and forget about the actual science behind all of this.
21:45 November 30, 2010 by b.mclane
Bravo Ron Pavellas,robertg222 and PAcoug. Greedy Al Gore went from $8M to $120M with his Chicken Lil act. Scareing people about the climate is a political way to control people. We know for a fact the Grand Canyon has been under sea water 7 times and the Sahara used to be a lush tropical area. Now they are not, so would that be"global warming","climate change" or "excessive SUV usage" that changed that? Earth's history did not start with humankind. She is a living organism and changes all the time. Once all the continents were joined into one huge one and the climate was arid and poisonist. Its HUBRIS to think mankind can change EARTH's climate.The world only has around 100 CLIMATOLIGISTS and they laugh at Al Gore and anyone who spreads this climate nonsense.
21:49 November 30, 2010 by kend
Crank your Saabs and rev them fast! The cooling must be stopped to save the Wikileak servers!!
21:51 November 30, 2010 by GLO
Climate change NUTS !! its weather been happening for thousands of years.
21:51 November 30, 2010 by garrobo
It's all George Bush's fault.
21:59 November 30, 2010 by tixximmi
Al Gores movie was filled with flaws. We're experiencing cooling on the planet. There is no global warming. Never was. Being involved with atmospheric science I haven't seen the proof of any man made global warming. And I've read just about everything. Most of the science behind global warming has been heavily flawed. Keep in mind that over the past 10k years the temperature has been higher. We're cooler now. Second, the Earth would probably be better off it it was 2 to 3 degrees C warmer. We would grow more food. It's these world elites that want everyone to pay for a hoaxed science called Climate Change. Why do you think they changed the name from Global warming. If Global warming is true and is a danger to the world, and if its made by man, then why does Al Gore leave his car running in Sweden while at a climate change conference. Why does Al Gore use 4 to 6 times the electricity than the average American family? If this thing is so bad, why does Al Gore ignore it and thinks it doesn't apply to him.
22:13 November 30, 2010 by john galt
How can this be possible, when 14-15,000 representatives are in Cancun, Mexico partying their tails off and working out details on saving the planet. They will surely stay warm at Carlos and Charlies, with their tequila drinks and hot women. Guess they will really feel the heat there. All about control and impoverishing the world further my friends. Nothing more, nothing less, as Algore could certainly attest if he were an honest man, which he is not.
22:19 November 30, 2010 by JustAGuy
LOL!

The global warming alarmists have sure got a racket going! If it's very warm, they say it's global warming, oops, I mean climate change! (Duh! The climate is ALWAYS changing!) Then when it's very cold, they say that too is global warming, oops, I mean climate change!

What a racket!
22:44 November 30, 2010 by JustAGuy
Why are the climate change alarmists ignoring the fact that leaked emails by leading climate change scientists reveal doctored data, omitted data, "lost" data and a determination to resist freedom of information requests? Also the head of the IPCC, Rajendra Pachauri was NOT trained in any of the earth sciences thus was unqualified to run that organization, reluctantly admitted the "glaciers are melting" report was the result of a phone interview and NOT from any emperical data. The UN ended up auditing the IPCC and concluded there was much error and sloppieness in the IPCC reports.

The so-called science behind the man-made climate change movement has been discredited, yet the true-believers doggedly persist in this global fraud.
22:50 November 30, 2010 by chyrotump
The gentleman "Dr" is conveniently ignoring the fact that "climate change" is faux science dressed up in lab coats and guesswork statistics, presented in a convoluted manner to frighten, confuse, and control the populace for the ends of those interested in subduing the individual to a "New World Order" ala "Brave New World". It is the largest, most well funded Luddite style hoax ever perpetrated and that it is the darling of eco freaks who think we'd be better off if we still had to scrape horse manure from our shoes after every step. Of course there is Climate change. there has been ever since this ball of rocks coalesced from the matter that did not go into the Sun or other planets as the Solar System was formed. In 1980 all the planets, including Earth, warmed in exact ratio to their distance from the Sun, which was itself going through a warming cycle. This cycle ended around 1998, during which eager eco-freaks screamed "Chicken Little" warnings concerning the climate. Now the sun has cooled somewhat, but they hold to their invincible faith that the sky is falling. Well done!
22:50 November 30, 2010 by LordSqueak
Debating climate change is like debating religion, it's just not done!

Each party know they are right, and nothing is going to change that.

I'm still freezing my balls off when I cycle to work though.
23:05 November 30, 2010 by JustAGuy
LOL!!!! I've observed how the Climate Change Alarmists behave like true believers, and "doing their part for the planet" takes on the characteristics of a religious experience!
23:37 November 30, 2010 by hotwasabipeas
So this is the worst cold spell in 100 years for Sweden? So what caused the extreme cold 100 years ago? Was that a result of "climate change" too? A country that's rather close to the Arctic circle that is experiencing really cold weather in December...gee I never heard of such an odd thing in my life...go figure!
23:42 November 30, 2010 by seismicdeath
Only -17C? Here on the Canadian prairies it was -32C last week! With wind chill it was -45C in places.

It is not even winter yet!
23:47 November 30, 2010 by Anna Keppa
The problem with Stockholm Sam's hypothesis (that during AGW some parts of the earth will cool, while others warm) is that it , like Freudianism, "explains everything but predicts nothing. Since there's no way to falsify or "prove" such a claim, it lies outside the realm of science.

AGW is politically dead in the US, as dead as the fictitious drowned polar bears.

Put another way, the hockey stick is now ....pucked. If the US isn't going to cripple itself economically by submitting to an unprovable theory, the rest of the world (China and Indian, for example) won't do so either.
00:49 December 1, 2010 by MTTRN
High court judge Michael Burton in the UK ruled in 2007 that Al Gore`s movie has 9 fundamental scientific errors and can be shown in British schools only with special guidance notes in order to avoid political indoctrination. This says it all-the movie is potentially dangerous, equals political propaganda and is based on crap

@Stockholm Sam: look it up
01:22 December 1, 2010 by ColdInChicago
For years the MMGW alarmists have pointed to every hurricane, every heatwave, every sunny day as proof positive that their High Priests were right. Now we're also supposed to believe that record freezes are also proof? How about five years running with no hurricanes landing in the US, is that proof too?

Their theory was expanded to include these cooling "predictions" only *after* the planet went back into the expected natural cooling cycle when sunspots started to diminish. Just another Convenient Lie from the Al Goracle and his loony acolytes.
01:25 December 1, 2010 by Sven71
Climate science is a rather young science and it is rather daring to declare a hypothesis as verified by the mere use of incomplete models. Every serious natural scientist knows, that hypotheses must be confirmed by observation or experiment because models are man-made and subject to errors, What the IPCC and Al Gore keep doing so well is not science, but religion. The fanatics can't wait for more ... with special regard to the term 'anthropogenic'

"One symptom of climate change resulting from global warming is that certain areas will experience much colder winters."

Funny, isn't it?! If one symptom of climate change from global warming was much colder winters then ... hell ... the warming cannot be global.
02:09 December 1, 2010 by KAHN1
If you take a monument to look at what the condition of the Sun is, you will notice the number of sunspots are way down for the last 2 years, and the prediction is they will go to zero by 2015, much like in the 17th century, when the ice was so thick they had fairs on the Thames river in GB.

KAHN1
02:22 December 1, 2010 by Latinas
time to go to mexico and enjoy beautiful women

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02:32 December 1, 2010 by Mark_In_St_Pete
Actually all that Sweden is experiencing is normal climate variability. The climate on the planet Earth has been warming since the end of the last ice age. Science shows us that the Sahara desert was once a much wetter than it is today, even having large lakes; please tell me how the release of CO2 into the atmosphere changed the Sahara so much. The simple fact of the matter is that AWG, as pushed by the IPCC and the news media, is simply a way to steal your money and give it to someone else, maybe. The carbon credit market is simply another scheme to make money out of nothing at all. Liars, cheats and thieves, that pretty much sums up the AWG movement.
02:48 December 1, 2010 by dusterdave
Carbon trading is a Fraud to further steal from the working class.

A Mini Ice Age covered most of Europe for 500 years ending about 1790, this cooling was caused by increased emission from a newly active cycle of volcanic eruptions. During this ice age period European population dropped by 20 million due to death caused by starvation brought on by crop failure. People took their babies out in the forest and left them to die because they could not feed another. The Vikings all died on Greenland. epidemics spread across the land killing millions.

Human life today is only possible because of the global warming that began in 1790, humans do well in the warm climate, they can produce food to provide for their populations. Not only should we hope for continued global warming, it is essential to the survival of man, not destructive to man.

The global warming believers would do well to read some history, and mostly recognize man survives within narrow climate limits, which, most of all, we have no control over, or ability to impact over an area as large as the earth.
02:50 December 1, 2010 by PrairieHawk
Let's see, you Europeans are on the metric system... Why don't you come to Minnesota, U.S.A., where BELOW ZERO still means something--in Fahrenheit! We've been colder than -17 degrees C for days now!
03:24 December 1, 2010 by jgfox
Lest We Forget

This is what Climate Experts predicted in 2000

"Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past" headline was posted in the Independent newspaper in the UK on March 20, 2000.

"Britain's winter ends tomorrow with further indications of a striking environmental change: snow is starting to disappear from our lives.

However, the is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said. (end)

And he stood by his statement in 2010!

Mail Online 1/10/10

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html

Now the head of a British Council programme with an annual £10 million budget that raises awareness of global warming among young people abroad, Dr Viner last week said he still stood by that prediction:

'We've had three weeks of relatively cold weather, and that doesn't change anything.

'This winter is just a little cooler than average, and I still think that snow will become an increasingly rare event."

Warning:

You'd better collect and freeze some snow so you can show your grandchildren what it looks like. The snow in Sweden is just another "rare event'.
03:29 December 1, 2010 by truth or Not
First of all - You all that follow Al Gore and that foolish garbage should really get real. Al Gore make a lot of money in the sale of carbon futures. I hope you know what that is. So he has a financial interest in selling this crap YES I SAID CRAP. Second -- As some of you have pointed out this cycle of cooling and warming has been going on from the beginning of time. Thank goodness some of you get it.

There are some of you saying this is another one of those fools that doesn't believe. OH MY GOD! OK All you very intelligent educated ones. Try this one on. GLOBAL WARMING can be measured on all of the other planets in our system and it seems without any people the interfere the rate of warming is the same as Earth. WOW The SUN and we can't control that can we. The sun has been heating up. There has been a period of higher solar flare activity. Go ahead take your best shot. Truth will prevail !
03:53 December 1, 2010 by sanfordsports
The AGW reality deniers are calling the India case (4 degree increase) proof of global warming (or climate change or butt butter or whatever they are calling it this week), but 100 year low temp records are incidental in their book. Go figure. Who left in this world is dumb enough to believe the AGW reality deniers?
04:51 December 1, 2010 by Rob Ricket
The tide has turned! It was a pleasure reading the thoughtful posts from my fellow climate change realists. We are educated, informed and unwilling to swallow the line of crap the pseudo-scientists are trying to feed us.

Climate change Indeed! Co2 (known to be a plant's best friend since 6th grade science) is now the enemy! It's a dodge a hustle, a scam. We must crush the Infamy.....and it's not co2.......it's three con artists named Gore, Manning and Jones!

Some posters refuse to see the truth and robotically regurgitate anything they read when writing; "it's getting colder just like the warmest predicted". One hardly has to be a thermodynamicist to see the lunacy in such proclamations. For the record; the refrigerator comment was completely wrong! If you add heat anywhere to a refrigerator, it won't experience decreased temperatures. The same peculiar leap in logic would have us believe that a planet predicted to warm is now cooling because of ......wait for it.......global warming. Unfortunately, not everyone bought the latest line of bs, so (in the spirit of P. T. Barnum) our friends at CRU have floated a new buzz word: climate change.

Say it with me: Climate change....climate change.....CLIMATE CHANGE! The planet gets colder it's our fault. The planet gets warmer; you guessed it.....it's our fault. It's a safer bet than the Cubs winning the World Series and every bit as pathetic.
04:55 December 1, 2010 by Adrian Vance
How ironic. Svante Arrhenius, Sweden's greatest chemist wanted to heat Sweden by increasing CO2 in the air by burning coal, but after doing a lot of research gave up saying it would not work as CO2 is a poor absorber of IR energy from sunlight. His work was published in the great German physics journal "Physique" in the late 19th century. His work proves the CO2/global warming thing is a fraud!
05:31 December 1, 2010 by HowSwedeitis
None of you know what you're talking about. I highly doubt any of you are climate scientists, or have been trained in the field of Earth science.

"Nobody has any idea. It's like we're playing a global game of The Price Is Right: We're standing here with a fistful of dollars, we don't know what's behind any of the doors, and everyone in the audience is shouting."

(http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4039)

-HSII
06:32 December 1, 2010 by truth or Not
Some of us do know what we are talking about. I don't claim to be an expert. I did study geology and oceanology. But that really doesn't matter. the point is global warming or global cooling. both are happening at different times. the planet goes thru cycles. Co2 is essential for life. Water vapor is one of the largest that contribute to green house effect. Methane is one of the biggest green house gases. that bubbles up from the earths crust without man doing anything. dead plants and animals give off methane. Ice melts breaks off the Ice shelf and should we panic. At the same time ice is building up at the center of Antarctica. I can go on and on. Again I will say it THE SUN we can't control it or the planet . We like to think we can control everything. well wake up. or you can follow the heard like a good little sheep.
08:43 December 1, 2010 by organismasawhole
Why is Al Gore still being mentioned in the same sentence as global warming. He is just an opportunist that took advantage of the phenomenon to make some money and fame.

In my opinion a good site for info on the subject. I posted a link to an article relating to this story, but the whole site is full of info.

http://climate.nasa.gov/news/index.cfm?NewsID=270
10:25 December 1, 2010 by cgp
What worries me the most is that if the planet is at the top

of the global temperature curve and the winter weather is

this cold. Holy hell freezing over if the curve goes back to the

level at the 19th centry?
13:09 December 1, 2010 by morethanconcerned
The global warming/climate change people promoting the climate change product is not presenting the product properly... They are attempting to shove it down everybody's throat. Do the they really think that the opposition hates the planet or dream of it's destruction? Instead, why don't they call for a transparent hearing for the world to see so that everyone can present their case and calmly look at the evidence. Then people can decide if it indeed has merit.

Whenever anybody wants me to "buy it now" or advertises "it's only available today", all my suspicions come alive. No wonder the climate change gang is having a hard time selling the science. The supporters should also refrain from calling people who are not willing to send their money to people they don't know, stupid. On the contrary, I think they are courageous.
13:38 December 1, 2010 by americanska
If this is climate change. Why is it the coldest temps since 1965? Was it Climate change in 1965 as well? It just goes so show there is no trend. The "scientist take a million data points and use 50 to create a trend that supports their beliefs. We've have some pretty extreme weather in the last couple hundred years.

And all the left wingers that go on about how religion is terrible and science is great. They seem to never support real science. If you supported real science you wouldn't believe we are causing climate change and you wouldn't have a problem with GMO crops.
14:05 December 1, 2010 by KingofthePaupers
Jct: Phil Jones admitted using Mike Mann's "trick to hide the decline" in global temperature so they should be charged with the murder of everyone found frozen to death in Bermuda shorts in their misled anticipation of global warming.
14:10 December 1, 2010 by HMichaelH
I'm sure the record cold is a consequence of "Global Warming!"

(For those of you who don't really get it, that's a sarcastic remark.)
14:16 December 1, 2010 by Rick Methven
@Amerikanska

Having a problem with GM crops has nothing to do with climate change. The only problem that Monsanto lobbyists such as you have is that in Europe we do not buy into to your lies and cover-ups of the desire to control world food production
15:07 December 1, 2010 by 2garyr
I don't think you will find very many people who will deny climate variations. What the argument should focus on is the cause. What is the explanation for the surface temperature of planets, like Mars, increasing at a rate equal to or greater than was is reported on Earth? Could it be a natural cause? Could it also be a natural cause that we are seeing here on Earth?
15:08 December 1, 2010 by J Jack
So much 'tongue in cheek' commentary about global warming ... you seem to forget that Sweden also had one of the hottest summers on record this year ... below average temperatures are a consequence of global warming ... do your research instead of wasting space.
18:54 December 1, 2010 by conboy
Ah of course prior to Global warming there were no warm summers in Sweden!
21:29 December 1, 2010 by Sarek
The problem I have with this Global Warming debate is that it has become a matter of numbers: How many people believe in one position or the other. It would be best if the scientific methodology would be applied to reach decisions. Personally I think both parties may be right
22:39 December 1, 2010 by regnevacs
This science about winters getting colder in some places in the presence of global warming is a sham, its too convenient. It covers every possible climate scenario. Show me some science please, do we forget the missing software and doctored data already?

God Bless.......................................................................................
23:24 December 1, 2010 by Alohart
I wonder how you climate change skeptics would feel if someone who knows nothing about your area of expertise pontificated about your area of expertise like you are doing about something that you know little or nothing about. Why even bother with education when you who are uneducated in climate science somehow claim that your opinion is valid whereas extensive scientific studies made by people who understand climate science far more than you are invalid?

Most of you are doing what U.S. conservatives do when they fear that something might impinge on their "freedom": attack the messenger, promote an example that supports their worldview as if extrapolating from a specific example to a general conclusion is valid (it's not), etc. If you can't support your view with valid scientific arguments, then your views are pure rubbish and nothing but your uneducated opinions. If you, instead, practiced responsibility, you could avoid what you fear the most which is some higher authority limiting your irresponsible behavior. "Freedom" without "responsibility" will not make this world a better place when there are now billions of people whose irresponsible behaviors are changing the climate.

I have a Ph.D. in chemistry, so I understand how the scientific process works. Comments made by many of you indicate that you don't have a clue. I also worked for 3 years at probably the premier climate research center in the world, the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), in Boulder, CO. But climate change is not my expertise, so I won't second-guess climate scientists as you are doing.

What I find is amazing that anyone would think that the rapid increase in the population of humans who exhale CO2, the rapid reduction in CO2-absorbing plants caused by humans' clearing of vast forests, the huge increase in the numbers of greenhouse-gas-producing livestock for human consumption, the rapid release of CO2 by the burning of petroleum and coal which had removed CO2 from the atmosphere over millions of years, and other huge changes that humans have and are continuing to make at an ever-increasing pace would have no negative effects on the climate.

We should fear any rapid change in our climate as is now occurring. But when its predominate cause is human activity, we have the power to solve the problem. If rapid climate change was caused by a natural event like a large meteor impact, we would be almost powerless. The U.S. is being left behind by countries like Sweden and China who are developing and selling technologies to increase the world's energy efficiency, something that everyone should support.

You who deny something that you don't understand should be ashamed of yourselves because you are endangering not us, so much, but our descendants. I suspect that you really care only about yourselves and you don't really care about what you leave for your descendants to deal with.
01:57 December 2, 2010 by xmfclick
@Alohart: Let me see if I can follow the logic of your statements ...

1. "I wonder how you climate change skeptics would feel if someone who knows nothing about your area of expertise pontificated about your area of expertise"

2. "I have a Ph.D. in chemistry ... so I won't second-guess climate scientists"

3. "What I find is amazing ... negative effects on the climate"

Or, to precis ...

"Naughty non-climate-scientists, daring to have an opinion on something they aren't formal experts in. I'm a Chemist, so I won't give my opinion on Climate. Now, here's my opinion on Climate ..."

[BTW, Alohart, do you ever give an opinion on sport? or politics? or anything other than chemistry? By your own argument, you should keep shtum on all that other stuff]
03:26 December 2, 2010 by robertfoertsch
Did I miss any comments about Geo engineering, atmospheric modification, Chemtrails, aluminum dioxide, barium salts, HAARP, weather modification tectonic weapons mind control, global tyranny , NWO, GWEN towers, mark of the beast, antichrist, Revelation of JESUS CHRIST? You may choose to ignore the truth, however the consequences of ignoring THE TRUTH are inevitable! JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE! "WHAT SHALL IT PROFIT A MAN IF HE GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD AND LOSE HIS VERY SOUL"? JESUS
04:13 December 2, 2010 by Rob Ricket
"I wonder how you climate change skeptics would feel if someone who knows nothing about your area of expertise pontificated about your area of expertise like you are doing about something that you know little or nothing about. Why even bother with education when you who are uneducated in climate science somehow claim that your opinion is valid whereas extensive scientific studies made by people who understand climate science far more than you are invalid?"

Translation: Contrary to what we were taught regarding scientific methods; ours is not to question why; ours is to serve our scientifically superior overlords. Surly you must see that some pigs are more equal than others.

Most of you are doing what U.S. conservatives do when they fear that something might impinge on their "freedom": attack the messenger, promote an example that supports their worldview as if extrapolating from a specific example to a general conclusion is valid (it's not), etc. If you can't support your view with valid scientific arguments, then your views are pure rubbish and nothing but your uneducated opinions. If you, instead, practiced responsibility, you could avoid what you fear the most which is some higher authority limiting your irresponsible behavior. "Freedom" without "responsibility" will not make this world a better place when there are now billions of people whose irresponsible behaviors are changing the climate.
04:32 December 2, 2010 by robertfoertsch
There is an archipelago of conspiracies which enslaves most of the Global population. Who is your master?
05:33 December 2, 2010 by gtrvox
That's the fantastic thing about "climate change" (an idiotic name to start with: climate changes over time by definition...the climate in Europe today is not the same it was 200 years ago) Too hot? Climate change. Too cold? Climate change. Too wet? Climate change. Too dry? Climate change!

Anyone remember the "hole in the ozone layer" panic of a few years ago? Or how about the "earth is running out food" panic?

Lastly: don't present something as "fact" when at least 20% of the scientists involved in studying climate (perhaps more - but they're too sacred to come out) disagree. You cannot have a large block of specialists doubt your conclusions and yet pretend those conclusions are facts!
10:34 December 2, 2010 by xmfclick
What really annoys many of us is the egregious position of the UK Met Office. There are only a few computer models for the climate, and the Met Office's model is one of them, arguably the main one. These models drive the Warmist/Alarmist fear-mongering by dint of their predictions, looking 10, 50 or 100 years ahead. Yet the Met Office's climate model is (by the Met Office's own admission) essentially the same one that produces the medium-term forecasts -- but they have ceased to publish their medium-term forecasts because they have proved to be so inaccurate. The Met Office can't even model the climate a few months ahead yet they expect us to trust them to model it a hundred years ahead. It's as if they had never heard of Chaos Theory.

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/208012/Winter-to-be-mild-predicts-Met-Office/
10:36 December 2, 2010 by 2garyr
Why are so many 'climate change' proponents assuming that those who dispute the cause of climate variation think that there is denial of variation? I don't think anyone is against preserving the quality of enviornment by pollution controls. But that position does not mean that the variation seen and predicted is primarily due to our doing.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Global-Warming---Are-We-to-Blame?&id=2223360

And again the question, why is there similar or larger increases in planet surface temperatures???
13:20 December 2, 2010 by americanska
Rick, just keeping telling yourself that. You do realize that Montanto is the leader because it beat everyone to the punch. And every other company it trying to catch up right now.

Just keep rejecting science when it fits your needs. Keep watching the world pass you by while you sit at your computer telling yourself you know better.
19:09 December 2, 2010 by Pechurche
Actually, in the south of Europe there are ridiculously warm temperatures for December. So no matter if you call it "global warming" or "climate change", definitely the weather conditions went mad!
21:52 December 2, 2010 by Randy131
This is really bad news for the 'Global Warming Conference' going on right now in Cancun, Mexico, sort of like what happened last year at the 'Global Warming Conference' in Oslo, Norway, when an ice blizzard caused the conference to end early. What about that poor UN Weather Agency that just prognosticated that future weather around the world would now see scorching heat as routine. Those poor 'UN Barterers' of 'Carbon Based Gas Credits' just have no luck at all, this report will cut their profits in half. The Chicago, Illinois 'Carbon Based Gas Credit Exchange' had to close down from the negative publicity of the ice blizzard at the 'Global Warming Conference' in Oslo Norway of last year, I wonder how many other 'Carbon Based Gas Credit Exchanges' will have to close down around the world because of this report? There goes the spreading of the wealth from the developed countries to the under-developed countries, right down the old drain.
22:10 December 2, 2010 by Rebel
Many people are still paying off bills from last winter's freeze -- and now this? And since 70%+ of one's electriocal bill in Sweden is tax then the government is happily bleeding these homeowners of more money.
05:30 December 3, 2010 by Rob Ricket
Most of you are doing what U.S. conservatives do when they fear that something might impinge on their "freedom": attack the messenger, promote an example that supports their worldview as if extrapolating from a specific example to a general conclusion is valid (it's not), etc. If you can't support your view with valid scientific arguments, then your views are pure rubbish and nothing but your uneducated opinions. If you, instead, practiced responsibility, you could avoid what you fear the most which is some higher authority limiting your irresponsible behavior. "Freedom" without "responsibility" will not make this world a better place when there are now billions of people whose irresponsible behaviors are changing the climate.

TRANSLATION: I'm a proud liberal and see every issue in terms of "it's us or them". I'm also morally superior to you wogs who freely enjoy the comfort, warmth and increased lifespan made possible through the energy density of hydrocarbon molecules.
05:53 December 3, 2010 by Rob Ricket
“What I find is amazing that anyone would think that the rapid increase in the population of humans who exhale CO2, the rapid reduction in CO2-absorbing plants caused by humans' clearing of vast forests, the huge increase in the numbers of greenhouse-gas-producing livestock for human consumption, the rapid release of CO2 by the burning of petroleum and coal which had removed CO2 from the atmosphere over millions of years, and other huge changes that humans have and are continuing to make at an ever-increasing pace would have no negative effects on the climate.”

TRANSLATION: If your house is made of wood, you eat meat, enjoy heat ac and electricity you should feel guilty. You should be a real environmentalist like our friend and live in an unheated tent and eat only wild berries (albeit sparingly) and rabbit food. If your children happen to die from starvation and exposure; all the better, as this means one less grubby human spewing that awful C02 gas.
06:01 December 3, 2010 by Rob Ricket
“We should fear any rapid change in our climate as is now occurring. But when its predominate cause is human activity, we have the power to solve the problem. If rapid climate change was caused by a natural event like a large meteor impact, we would be almost powerless. The U.S. is being left behind by countries like Sweden and China who are developing and selling technologies to increase the world's energy efficiency, something that everyone should support.”

TRANSLATION: I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about, but relish any chance to attack the United States.

“The People's Republic of China is the largest consumer of coal in the world,[1] and is about to become the largest user of coal-derived electricity, generating 1.95 trillion kilowatt-hours per year, or 68.7% of its electricity from coal as of 2006 (compared to 1.99 trillion kilowatt-hours per year, or 49% for the US).”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_energy_in_China
06:17 December 3, 2010 by Rob Ricket
“You who deny something that you don't understand should be ashamed of yourselves because you are endangering not us, so much, but our descendants. I suspect that you really care only about yourselves and you don't really care about what you leave for your descendants to deal with.”

TRANSLATION: I have a Ph.D. in Chemistry, but I don’t understand climate science myself. In fact, why bother teaching science to you idiots at all. You should feel ashamed for not blindly believing every word of climate change science dogma. Be a good little lemming and follow me to the virtual abyss of ignorance, denial and stupidity.
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