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Assange to be extradited to Sweden: UK court

Assange to be extradited to Sweden: UK court

Published: 24 Feb 2011 10:30 GMT+01:00
Updated: 24 Feb 2011 13:36 GMT+01:00

"I must order that Mr Assange be extradited to Sweden," judge Howard Riddle said in a decision at Belmarsh Magistrates Court in southeast London, following an extradition hearing earlier this month.

Lawyers for the 39-year-old Australian, who was detained in Britain on a Swedish arrest warrant in December, said following the ruling they planned to file an appeal.

"We will be appealing," his main lawyer Geoffrey Robertson told the court following the ruling.

In handing down his ruling, Judge Riddle told onlookers that the crimes Assange is alleged to have committed meet the criteria for extradition, according to Twitter feeds from numerous journalists inside the courtroom.

In rejecting much of the defence team's claims, the judge also accused Assange's Swedish lawyer, Björn Hurtig of being unreliable.

Judge Riddle also said he doubted that comments made by Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt would compromise Assange's ability to receive a fair trial in Sweden.

Speaking after the hearing Assange criticised the European system under which he was detained in December at Sweden's request.

"It is a result of the European Arrest Warrant system run amok. There was no consideration during this entire process as to the merits of the allegations against me," he told around 100 journalists from across the globe.

Assange has seven days to lodge a formal appeal. The judge gave him bail on the same conditions as before, namely that he should reside at a friend's mansion in eastern England, wear an electronic ankle tag and observe a curfew.

Celebrity backers including socialite Jemima Khan and rights campaigner Bianca Jagger were also at the court along with around 100 journalists from around the world.

Former computer hacker Assange says the claims against him, made by two women he met during a seminar organised by the whistleblowing website in August last year, are politically motivated because of the work of WikiLeaks.

Assange rocked the world's diplomatic institutions and infuriated Washington last year when WikiLeaks began releasing more than 250,000 secret diplomatic cables sent by US embassy staff.

It has also published sensitive data on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Judge Riddle threw out arguments by Assange's legal team that the Swedish prosecutor had no power to issue a European arrest warrant and that the allegations did not amount to extradition offences.

"In this country that would amount to rape," Riddle said about the allegation by one woman that Assange had unprotected sex with her while she was asleep.

He said that Assange's Swedish lawyer Björn Hurtig made a "deliberate attempt to mislead the court" when he said that he had been unable to contact Assange to arrange an interview with Swedish prosecutors.

Riddle also dismissed arguments that Assange could not face a fair trial as some evidence would be held behind closed doors, and that it was possible he would be re-extradited to the United States where he could face the death penalty.

Riddle said that the arrest warrant was valid and said he had to uphold the "mutual respect and confidence this court has in our European counterparts."

The judge also said it was "highly unlikely" that comments by Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt that Assange lacked respect for women's rights would have an effect on the case.

Karin Rosander, a spokeswoman for the Swedish prosecutor, said only that they would "see if they appeal or not" before issuing a "very short statement" later.

His lawyer Mark Stephens criticised the "tick-box justice" of the warrant system, but added: "We still remain very optimistic about our opportunities on appeal."

Claes Borgström, the lawyer for the two Swedish women at the centre of the claims, said it was "regrettable" that Assange was appealing but that he hoped the case would be over by summer.

"Assange must respect the principles that he has expressed about WikiLeaks and take responsibility," he told the Swedish news agency TT.

Assange was arrested in Britain on December 7 on an international warrant issued by a Swedish prosecutor who wanted to question him over four separate allegations of sexual assault made by the two women.

He spent nine days in prison until he was released on bail in December and has since been staying at a friend's country mansion in eastern England under strict conditions including that he obey a curfew, wear an electronic ankle tag and report to police daily.

The judge relaxed his conditions for Thursday's hearing to allow him to spend the previous night at the Frontline media club in London.

Assange claimed his greatest fear was eventual extradition to the United States, where his lawyers argued he could be sent to the Guantanamo Bay detention facility or face the death penalty.

He recently said his site was "significantly influential" in the fall of Tunisian leader Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, an event he said "no doubt" sparked uprisings across the Middle East.

The United States said the case was solely a matter for Britain and Sweden.

"Notwithstanding claims to the contrary, the US is not involved," State Department spokesman Philip Crowley said in a Twitter message.

Assange has claimed his greatest fear was eventual extradition to the United States, where his lawyers argued he could be sent to the Guantanamo Bay detention facility or face the death penalty.

WikiLeaks last November began publishing around 250,000 US diplomatic cables. It has also leaked thousands of secret documents about the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Your comments about this article

12:42 February 24, 2011 by Archy
British Summer !!!!!! that could be a few years.......
12:43 February 24, 2011 by big5
Assange's lawyers are farcical, saying that Assange could be sent to Guantanamo or be sentenced to death. They are clearly under the sway of his paranoid fantasies.
12:46 February 24, 2011 by Evan morris
Shame on Sweden for this attempt to hush and suppress the principles of freedom speech... Shame, shame. Is anyone to believe that we really should prosecute anyone for not using a condom...? Terrible.
12:48 February 24, 2011 by NoVaseline
All i can say is that Assange is the guy who has balls. I doubt if Chuck Norris would do the same.
12:50 February 24, 2011 by big5
@ Evan morris, do you mind sending me all your bank and tax records and your medical journals? I feel like publishing them on the internet.
12:51 February 24, 2011 by N0DE
Hehhehehe thats what you expect from American puppies (i.e. British and Swedish Govts)
12:52 February 24, 2011 by lolipop8104
I hope will all make Sweden suffer.

Boycott the swedish economy

do not buy at Ikea, do not visit Sweden.

F*ck these b*stards. Sweden has no rule of law, no standards no independece, it is the small dog licking the fist of steal of the mighty roge evil US government.
12:56 February 24, 2011 by Nilspet
Evan morris has made a good point.
12:57 February 24, 2011 by TheOriginalBlackMan
If Swedish District attorneys believe rape constitutes a woman that regrets having sex with a man after she finds out he has been with another woman, then there is truly no justice in Sweden.
13:05 February 24, 2011 by Nilspet
I agree with TheOriginalBlackMan #9

It is always bad that a state uses its power against a little man who is trying to make a living.
13:30 February 24, 2011 by Twiceshy
@big5: Apparently you need to learn the difference between leaking government data and personal data.
13:37 February 24, 2011 by big5
@Twiceshy: Oh I never heard of that. Thanks so much for enlightening me. :-P
13:47 February 24, 2011 by philster61
"My personal view is that this is a long way from a case of rape but that needs to be proven by Assange coming back and proving it.. The only thing that has been proven so far is that Assange is a scared little man, a coward, running and hiding.

He's a paranoid, pathatic little person who needs his followers to make him feel like a man of power. He's nothing."

I would 100% guarantee you would do the same if your life was under threat. The U.S. legal system is more comical than the Swedish. I expect now his execution date is already being set by U.S prosecutors. They will be wringing their corrupt hands in anticipation of his likely extradition to U.S soil.
14:04 February 24, 2011 by SarahPalin
@big5,

Been a couple of times since you have been "enlightened", seems like you wait for articles like this to post that same exact message.

Thats known as trolling, and you are welcome for the further enlightenment.
14:05 February 24, 2011 by johnny1939
I have said it before the whole thing is a farce. As a Swede I think it is very sad to see those two maggot cunts will get their day in court. I am also concerned how Assange can afford an appeal(very expensive) and I wonder how he can live in England for so long....I have many questions and doubts re Sweden's present legal system and how much money is being spent on this nonsense. Maybe I should have a Dry Martini to calm myself!!
14:06 February 24, 2011 by Evan morris
@ big 5: You're welcome, you needed some enlightenment, clearly...

@Philster61: I fully agree. What would you do if a government threatens you to prosecute you for not using a condom with a women you just had (consensual, I haste to add) sex with...? That would feel so weird that you would rightfully suspect other motives for prosecuting you than the lack of condoms...

Again, I repaet, I am very, very much ashamed of Sweden... Quite frankly, it is one of the last countries i would have expected this lapdog-attitude from, more akin to Britain... But well, the truth is out.

Swedes, be ashamed...
14:08 February 24, 2011 by Steve911
@ UScitizen

You say Assange should come back to Sweden and prove he didnt rape the 2 women. Sorry you dont understand law. Assange doesnt have to prove anything, he is innocent until proved guilty. He can say nothing if he wants. As for coming back, if it happens he will be held in prison without bail for months if not a year, without access to the internet or media. Would you be happy to do that if you were innocent? His best course of action is to expose this sham non-case in the media and hope Sweden drops it.

http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-war-on-wikileaks-a-john-pilger-investigation-and-interview-with-julian-assange
14:14 February 24, 2011 by big5
@johnny1939: referring to the plaintiffs as "maggot c*nts" really helps Assange's case... :-P
14:16 February 24, 2011 by Syftfel
Assange should appreciate this. This now means he will be in a federal penetentiary in the U.S. within a week, which is the only way he can save his skin. A lot of nations are out to eliminate him, including France, Russia, Yemen, Libya, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, China, Venezuela, Cuba, Pakistan, Iran and a string of other nations whose names he has managed to drag through the mud. At least in the U.S, he will only get 25 to life. Asssuming of course he thinks this is better than death.
14:27 February 24, 2011 by scandaphile
This makes my blood run cold. Read and weep.

http://markcrispinmiller.com/2011/02/eight-big-problems-with-the-case-against-assange-must-read-by-naomi-wolf/
14:31 February 24, 2011 by Smartone
I think Assange is innocent. Firstly, if a woman is not agreed to see him how is it possible that he can sleep with her? Secondly, if he didn't use the condom he can not be sued because without mutual understanding this can never be happened.She could have shouted, asked for help, showed resistance otherwise her silence could be interpreted as yes. They might have not sex on the very first meeting it may took them a while to do so. All blame shouldn't be imposed on Assange.
14:33 February 24, 2011 by UScitizen
Since I can't argue with stupidity, I'll just read the comments of all you sheep who follow Assange and sit back and laugh at you.

@Steve911

Sorry for my poor choice of words. What I meant was that he should come back and make THEM prove the charges against him. As I said, I don't believe it qualifys as a rape charge. But a real man would stand up for himself.

I don't believe he will be held in prison without bail for months if not a year, without access to the internet or media. In the past six months, Charles Manson has been caught with two cell phones in his maximum security prison cell in the US.

Do you really believe Assange would have no access to the outside world from a cell here? I don't believe it anymore than I believe he'd be put in prison for a year, awaiting trial.
14:45 February 24, 2011 by tes85
There are two separate issues...so what is wrong with sweden following their law and following up on allegations?! If it were a Swede who had allegedly commited the same act, they would also be required for questioning (not sure on bail though). But somewhere this conspiracy continues to plague peoples' minds that 'rape' is a cover for the US to nab him.... If this were the case, why/how would sweden benefit from extraditing him to the US anyway?
14:58 February 24, 2011 by Åskar
I must assume that all of you with very strong opinions have read all the relevant material in the case.
14:59 February 24, 2011 by summo
I think it is great he is coming, he clearly has something to hide, otherwise he would have come over straight away, proved his innocence and made a big PR deal of it.
15:01 February 24, 2011 by summo
I don't think that is relevant, what is critical is that he is refusing to attend court in the case he is accused of. I don't care about the evidence or its value, but he should follow due process.
15:01 February 24, 2011 by UScitizen
@ Åskar

I've read it and that's why I don't understand why Assange is acting so cowardly.
15:04 February 24, 2011 by big5
The entire text of the ruling has just been published on the Guardian.
15:09 February 24, 2011 by teslar
It's also available directly at the source here:

http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/media/judgments/2011/jud-authority-sweden-v-assange
15:42 February 24, 2011 by Nomark
Its great that the arguments of the lawyers were rejected. They were obviously tripe. There was no way JA was going to be extradited to be executed. Apart from the lack of evidence of any US involvement, the lawyers knew (but pretended not to) that EU countries don't extradite unless an execution is ruled out. Nevertheless it made great headlines and the faithful lapped it up which was probably the whole point of it in the first place.

As for the PM's supposed intervention, I can't see anything wrong with a prime minister restating that his country's judiciary is independent of the executive. Its not getting involved, its merely stating that he isn't involved. Not something for the faithful to get worked up about.

I think JA made a very poor decision in contesting this. He should have gone back long before the issue of extradition came up. Even if, in an unlikely scenario, he avoids extradition, the EU arrest still holds and he will be arrested upon arrival in any other European country. The US is out-of-bounds to him so there are a limited number of places left in the world for him. This can't be much fun for a nomad. Furthermore, if it ever comes to a trial he will have the advantage of rich supporters and a watchful media something most foreigners caught up in another country's legal systems don't have.

For someone who is supposedly rather clever, he's behaved very foolishly. Maybe he gets a kick out of feeling like a martyr...
15:44 February 24, 2011 by Åskar
I'm, of course, talking about the preinvestigation protocol that is the background to why he's wanted for hearing. I haven't read it and I take a neutral position, However, I read a comment in a newspaper yesterday, written by someone who has, and she had no problem whatsoever about his being extradited to Sweden.
15:51 February 24, 2011 by UScitizen
@Nomark

As to your assertion that there are a limited number of places left in the world for him, I guess he could go hide out with Bin Laden since they both seem to be so scared ot the US.
15:52 February 24, 2011 by big5
I've read the "förundersökning" and I think the case definitely should go to trial. I also think it very likely that Assange will be acquitted, or at worst will get off with a fine. The case should be tried, though. Just because Assange is the flavour of the month among the airhead left doesn't give him the same right to rape groupies as, say, real celebrities like rock stars.
15:58 February 24, 2011 by Steve911
@UScitizen

(1) He has not been charged

(2) Despite your belief that he wont be held in prison. Ms Ny has requested that he be held in detention incommunicado. This is normal practise in Sweden for foreigners awaiting trial, something to bear in mind as a foreigner yourself. The wheels of Swedish 'justice' move very slowly, so 1 year to wait for trial is not uncommon for complex cases,
16:08 February 24, 2011 by UScitizen
@Steve911

If: (1) He has not been charged

What is he so afraid of?????

and: (2)...... I'll watch my step.
16:14 February 24, 2011 by big5
Assange ought to be much more worried about getting a polonium enema from som dictator than anything the USA might cook up.
16:25 February 24, 2011 by Liquidmonkey
bottom line, HE HAS NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING!

why doesn't the prosecution fly over to the UK to ask these questions?

why don't they do a web-cam chat?

why didn't they ask JA when he was in sweden?

why don't they make a simple phone call?

why hasn't he been charged with anything? oh wait, he has not done anything wrong.

i've never seen more of a misuse of INTERPOL, political powers or the legal system as i have with this case. WOW!
16:36 February 24, 2011 by J Jack
Another misleading headline, next stop, British High Court.
16:41 February 24, 2011 by UScitizen
@ Liquidmonkey

Why is he being a coward if he hasn't done anything wrong? Why does he have to have his mommy keep the bullies away from him? WHY???
17:04 February 24, 2011 by Nomark
@Liquidmonkey

The police don't generally interview suspects over the telephone/skype (for good reason).

Since you know that he's done nothing wrong you should offer your services to the judicial systems of the world. You can pronounce innocence or guilt on various cases based on newspaper reports and leaked documents. This would save a fortune in legal costs.
17:05 February 24, 2011 by Angst
This will be a race against time. It all hangs on whether the Americans manage to break down Manning who is being held in solitary confinement for nearly a year so far and out of whom the Americans are trying to force an admission that he passed information to Assange, personally. They won't succeed unless they break Manning psychologically to the extent that he will admit something that is not true. That is still also possible.

See the 16 December 2010 article in The Guardian for how Manning is being held and the pressures he is under. The US extreme right (Tea Party) are anxious to nail Assange, whatever it takes. See also the article in Fox News of 2 January 2011.

What is shameful is Sweden's complicity in this Tea Party witch hunt.

Check out on Wikipedia the following: Bradley Manning, Eric Holder (The first Afro-American US Attorney-General), and Republican Congressman from California Darrell Issa. There is lots more, but this should be enough to be getting on with.
17:10 February 24, 2011 by Nomark
From the court document regarding criticism of the much maligned Ny. The chap who wrote it had bothered to interview people, listen to evidence and form a judgement. Perhaps there is a lesson here ? A lot of people criticise someone but it means little - what is important is that their criticisms stand up scrutiny.

"The main criticism comes from the Swedish judge, Brita Sundberg-Weitman. She does not know Ms Ny. She bases her opinion on what she has been told by this defendant's lawyers and articles she had read in the press. In fact she

produced comparatively little evidence to support her strong criticism of Ms Ny. I refer briefly to that part of her evidence at page 3 above. Moreover she confirmed that she had no direct personal knowledge of what had

happened in the investigation. Her evidence is based upon facts supplied to her by the defence lawyers. Mr Hurtig denied telling her that Ms Ny had made no effort to interview his client. He has never met her. There is therefore no clear evidence as to the source of the information on which Brita Sundberg-Weitman formed her opinion. One probable explanation is that Mr Assange's London lawyers provided her with material they had in turn received from Mr Hurtig. However there are other explanations and the evidence is simply unclear on this point. Mr Alhem expressly made no judgement on Ms Ny. Mr Hurtig clearly does know the prosecutor personally. He has not directly accused her of lying, or of malicious intent, but has strongly criticised her judgement. However, insofar as there were significant differences between his evidence and her evidence on facts known to them both, he conceded in cross-examination that her evidence is substantially correct."
17:18 February 24, 2011 by Steve911
Have you ever heard of anyone outside of Sweden being accused of rape because their condom broke or because their partner was sleeping (not including drink / drug cases)? Pleassssse give me a break, I wasn't born yesterday. This case is costing Swedish & UK taxpayers millions. There is no justification for the authorities pursing this case if it was just about crime, there is a political dimension. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck. I'm not normally into conspiracy theories but I think if JA ends up being locked up incommunicado for a year or so in Sweden awaiting trial, it will be job done for the American, Swedish & UK political establishment, as Wikileaks will have all blown over by then. As for the 2 women involved who claim to be political activist's of the left, their political principles seemed to evaporate fast as soon as hard cash was dangled in front of them by a certain Swedish tabloid, doesn't that seem strange?
17:20 February 24, 2011 by big5
Nice cut'n'paste post, Steve911. You spammer.

I bet you don't even live in Sweden, do you.
17:31 February 24, 2011 by UScitizen
@ big5

Hey! give Steve911 a break here! A person caqn only come up with so much bull in one day. He needs time to think of more to say. Thanks in advance for understanding.
18:30 February 24, 2011 by Liquidmonkey
@UScitizen

@Nomark

why should JA have to travel to sweden?

he has NOT been charged with anything!

both of you keep ignoring that fact, r u mentally challenged?
19:03 February 24, 2011 by UScitizen
@ Liquidmonkey

trying to make sense of your ignorance DOES mentally challenge me.
19:28 February 24, 2011 by Steve911
@big5

If you read my posts properly you would see that I made some additions. What have you got against cut'n'paste anyway, the Local use it all the time (not very well most of the time). ;)
20:04 February 24, 2011 by Telchristie
Sweden jumps into bed with the US Military Industrial Complex and they didn't even get kissed...it's time to hold your head in shame Sweden.
20:27 February 24, 2011 by Nomark
@Liquidmonkey

You asked why should JA go back to Sweden when he hasn't even been charged. I would have thought the answer is obvious. A warrant was issued for his arrest in Sweden and he is facing extradition. The rest of Europe is blocked off to him (warrant is still valid even if the Brits would turn it down) and, even if did evade the Swedes, he would be known as that bloke who ran awake from the rape accusations.

He should have gone back a long time ago and sorted this out. As it is, it looks like he'll be going back in handcuffs rather than of his own volition.

I'm curious. Why do you think I'm mentally challenged for articulating this argument ? I tend to find that those who engage in name calling do so because they lack a counter argument. Is this the case with you ?
21:01 February 24, 2011 by Nilspet
People .. don't you think rape accusations are quite easy to come up with especially in Sweden?

Never sleep with stranger(s) especially if you were a man.
21:29 February 24, 2011 by philster61
Nomark.Am not quite sure what hole you pull your facts from but JA applied for residency of Sweden not long ago. He was refused. He would have been here of his own accord and this would have been settled ages ago had the Swedish foreign office decided differently .And yes you are mentally challenged. One only has to read your posts.
21:38 February 24, 2011 by Liquidmonkey
@nomark

@uscitizen

sure, a warrant has been issued but have a look at why?

when in history has this every happened before? NEVER!

on one hand, you guys are right, he should go back and prove his innocence (and i'm ignoring that he has NOT been charged with anything right now) BUT its clear that this case is not just about the so-called sexual allegations.

so, no he should not go back as its clear the politicians AND courts are being swayed by a higher power.

have a read over this guys /girls and get back to everyone...

http://markcrispinmiller.com/2011/02/eight-big-problems-with-the-case-against-assange-must-read-by-naomi-wolf/

personally, if this was happening to me, i'd be scared $hitless!! not by the two woman but by whoever is making all this happen.

have you read the leaked police transcripts at all?

if so, then you would realize that using the word 'rape' is nothing more than a media grab for attention.

again, i ask you guys/girls, why was interpol involved in this? when has there EVER been a precedent to even need their involvement before?

i can appreciate our differences in opinion but...
22:56 February 24, 2011 by technoviking
If JA wanted to play the information warfare/psyops game with the world's biggest super power he should have been ready for some retaliation...

He's in over his head, may end up in jail in Sweden though in the end there is no case to be had in the US.

This is all just a mindf*%k to scare the hell out of him and any copycats.
01:01 February 25, 2011 by GLO
One more scumbag in jail good.
06:01 February 25, 2011 by UScitizen
@ Liquidmonkey

I hope you got some sleep last night and sobered up from the booze or drugs or whatever was making you crazy.

"using the word 'rape' is nothing more than a media grab for attention."

WoW! So what is screaming and crying that he'll be sent to the US and immediately executed? Well, that is if he isn't sent to GitMo first and tortured for years THEN executed. What kind of attention grabber is that compaired to "I was raped".

For goodness sakes man, sober up! Get back on your meds or get your prescription changed. It isn't working anymore.

Read post #54 by technoviking: "in the end there is no case to be had in the US."

'Nuff said.
06:36 February 25, 2011 by Capey
Why did the UK refuse to extradite Boris Berezovsky, well-known Russian mafia mogul, to Russia, but allow him to live in the UK, but now put Assange on bail for a huge sum and then agree to extradite him without him being charged with anything?
07:44 February 25, 2011 by Nomark
@ philster61

Could I request one clarification ? I suggested JA could go back to answer questions. Why does that imply he needs a residence permit ? A short visit would be required. The fact that he was turned down as a long term resident is neither here nor there.

Since I'm mentally challenged (according to you) you'll understand that I don't quite see the logic in your post.

@Liquidmonkey I note you still haven't addressed the issue I raised. Regardless of what you think about the alleged offence, the arrest warrant has been issued and through his actions since then he is making life worse for himself. "HE HASN'T BEEN CHARGED" (your upper case). Errrm - irrelevant according to the UK judge who, unlike you, looked at the evidence and interpreted the law. It also doesn't imply that he shouldn't participate in the inquiry. Its probably sensible though also futile to remind you that, whatever you think you know it is undoubtedly only part of the story and, furthermore, you are undoubtedly extremely biased. I know that I'm mentally challenged (I've been told twice, I really should send that PhD from a renowned university back) but I just can't see anything to suggest that you have critically looked at evidence and to form an expert opinion.
07:54 February 25, 2011 by Nomark
Find out about the European arrest warrant.
08:09 February 25, 2011 by loudasthunder
I was going to post My own comment, but...

It was to the point, and 'cut-n-paste' seems to be "The Thing-to-do" here on the local : ) LOL

"Have you ever heard of anyone outside of Sweden being accused of rape because their condom broke or because their partner was sleeping (not including drink / drug cases)? Pleassssse give me a break, I wasn't born yesterday. This case is costing Swedish & UK taxpayers millions. There is no justification for the authorities pursing this case if it was just about crime, there is a political dimension. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck. I'm not normally into conspiracy theories but I think if JA ends up being locked up incommunicado for a year or so in Sweden awaiting trial, it will be job done for the American, Swedish & UK political establishment, as Wikileaks will have all blown over by then. As for the 2 women involved who claim to be political activist's of the left, their political principles seemed to evaporate fast as soon as hard cash was dangled in front of them by a certain Swedish tabloid, doesn't that seem strange?"
08:52 February 25, 2011 by Liquidmonkey
@nomark

u say the judge looked at the evidence.

what evidence?

do u mean the accusation by the two woman?

do u mean the interpol warrant?

if u mean the warrant, look at how that came about.

does that not seem at all weird to you?

it should scare the $hit our of everyone that an arrest warrant can be issued through interpol based on an accusation alone.

u seem to be totally overlooking that point.

this ENTIRE case is based on nothing more than a weak accusation.

did u read that link i sent above?
08:58 February 25, 2011 by Milkshake
big5, you would'nt be American by any chance??
09:25 February 25, 2011 by Nomark
@Liquidmonkey

Please reread my posts. The context in which I use the word "evidence" makes it obvious.

You really should stop ranting btw. One dimensional monologues using UPPER CASE aren't particularly instructive.

But then again, I'm mentally challenged. What would I know ?
11:27 February 25, 2011 by Nilspet
What if JA went to Australia instead of UK? The EAW would not work right?

Do you think his own country would hand him to Sweden without any question?
14:44 February 25, 2011 by Steve911
@Nomark

Regarding your comments on the JA extradition hearing yesterday:

The working assumption of the court from the start is that JA should be extradited. Which means JA has to prove everything beyond all reasonable doubt, all the prosecution have to do is sit back and look for holes in the defence.

The judge wasn't sympathetic to JA and even had him locked up for about 10 days in December.

The defence evidence was put under a microscope by the judge and he found that JA's Swedish lawyers evidence had some error, which undermined his credibility. The judge used this to undermine the evidence of 2 other Swedish defence witnesses.

The judge wasn't prepared to look at anything other than the words written on the EAW to answer the question of whether JA was wanted for questioning or prosecution.

Regarding your support for the fragrant Ms Ny; the fact is she didn't have the guts to come to London to give evidence before the Judge and in fact her written statement for the court was regarded as hearsay and the judge said he would give it little weight, which rather weakens your argument that she was correct on all points.

What you have failed to take into account is that most Swedes, including the eminent Brita Sundberg-Weitman know from common knowledge that Ms Ny is a man hating radical feminist with an extremist political agenda. Unfortunately common knowledge and common sense are often not given much weight in court.
16:06 February 25, 2011 by Nomark
Quite a distortion.

The judge asked a sensible serious questions regarding the criticisms of Ms Ny. I'm afraid "common knowledge" is not the same thing as evidence, and for very good reason.

The judge demanded evidence and none of the critics laid on by JA could provide it. Live with it and think about the implications of this for your own prejudices.
18:22 February 25, 2011 by Nomark
Oh, and btw, my "support" for Ms Ny is non-existent. I don't know her. All I know is that she has come in for a lot of abuse and I'm interested in finding out if this is justified.

Her critics, as chosen by JA himself, had a prime opportunity to condemn her in the one arena in which their arguments would be rigorously tested. They failed. Of course, this won't stop the hot air being generated on sites such these. But then again, rigorous argument is not a hallmark of this site, unfortunately.

That she didn't turn up is neither here nor there. In fact it should have been easier to discredit her in her absence given that she would have been unable to reply. However, she wasn't discredited. It seems "common knowledge" (aka gossip, innuendo and prejudice) wasn't enough to win the argument. Funny that.
18:37 February 25, 2011 by William Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha
The Swedish lawyer's evidence didn't have 'some error'. The judge says he delibrately tried to mislead the court. Not the same thing.
20:18 February 25, 2011 by Steve911
@Nomark

I don't think the answer on whether the alleged abuse against Ms Ny is justified will be settled in an extradition hearing, it has too narrow a remit. Perhaps a civil suit or a Judicial Review against her might get the answer?
20:50 February 25, 2011 by Nomark
@Steve911

A central argument against JA's extradition was Ny's conduct. It wasn't a peripheral thing. The judge cross examined the critics and the evidence was found to be insubstantial. For someone as maligned as Ny it can't have been too hard for JA and his lawyers to have produced some evidence. Or perhaps they're just blowing hot air.
21:20 February 25, 2011 by Steve911
I disagree, Ny's abuse of process was tagged on at the end. The judge said it was up to Sweden to sort out.

The central arguments were: (1) whether the EAW was for questioning, (2) whether the alleged sex crimes were crimes in the UK.

I'm sure they could have done better if their only target was Ms Ny.
04:32 February 26, 2011 by Nomark
As I mentioned earlier, you need to broaden your perspective. Ignoring information harmful to your case doesn't make it stronger. The role of

Ny was not peripheral and JA and his lawyers had an excellent opportunity to discredit her with *evidence* (the stuff you guys never seem to produce - conspiracy theorists never do, at least not of the unbiased, non-cherry picked variety). The problem was that they didn't seem to be able to muster any evidence, funny that...

This is what the judge wrote about the critcism of Ny:

"The main criticism comes from the Swedish judge, Brita Sundberg-Weitman. She does not know Ms Ny. She bases her opinion on what she has been told by this defendant's lawyers and articles she had read in the press. In fact she

produced comparatively little evidence to support her strong criticism of Ms Ny. I refer briefly to that part of her evidence at page 3 above. Moreover she confirmed that she had no direct personal knowledge of what had happened in the investigation. Her evidence is based upon facts supplied to her by the defence lawyers. Mr Hurtig denied telling her that Ms Ny had made no effort to interview his client. He has never met her. There is therefore no clear evidence as to the source of the information on which Brita Sundberg-Weitman formed her opinion. One probable explanation is that Mr Assange's London lawyers provided her with material they had in turn received from Mr Hurtig. However there are other explanations and the evidence is simply unclear on this point. Mr Alhem expressly made no judgement on Ms Ny. Mr Hurtig clearly does know the prosecutor personally. He has not directly accused her of lying, or of malicious intent, but has strongly criticised her judgement. However, insofar as there were significant differences between his evidence and her evidence on facts known to them both, he conceded in cross-examination that her evidence is substantially correct."
11:24 February 26, 2011 by Rebel
Does Reinfeldt expect a date with Obama for all this?
04:42 February 28, 2011 by emfrodo
the actions of sweden in the assange case amount to political repression. that such nonsense is considered actionable is beyond belief in the first case anyway. that this is being used in this fashion, is reprehensible. it reminds me of smear campaigns conducted by intelligence organizations in the old apartheid regime of south africa or east germany during their heyday. to suggest that there is no political component associated with this leaves this writer at a loss for words as to how ridiculous such a claim is. the nation of sweden should be ashamed, that i as an american say this beggars reality all things considered. what assange has done has taken great courage, what 2 swedish women have done and what the swedish government has allowed and furthers being done, is shameful, shame on you, i no longer will purchase anything swedish.
05:04 February 28, 2011 by Nomark
I'm sure you'll bring the Swedish economy to its knees.

Do you have any evidence for your thesis ?

I enjoyed your comparison of Sweden with East Germany and South Africa though, to ask again, I would like some *evidence*.
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