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'God's House' being built in suburban Stockholm

'God's House' being built in suburban Stockholm

Published: 02 Mar 2011 15:12 GMT+01:00
Updated: 02 Mar 2011 15:12 GMT+01:00

On the other side of the Atlantic, an emotional debate rages about the suitability of building a mosque near the Ground Zero site in New York City.

At the same time, the recent political upheaval in North Africa and the Middle East has raised concerns in some quarters that religious fundamentalism may fill the void.

Meanwhile in the parish of Fisksätra, Nacka, a few kilometres south of Stockholm, Muslims, Lutherans and Roman Catholics are joining forces in a unique project attempting to tackle sectarianism by bringing the three groups together under a single roof.

"Religion has been used in such a negative way in history so this is a way of us showing it can be put in a positive light as well," Imam Awad Olwan of the Muslim Association in Nacka (Muslimska föreningen i Nacka) explains.

According to Henrik Larsson, a pastor with the Church of Sweden in Nacka and project manager for the initiative, the new building would be the only place of worship of its type in the world and the first time that a mosque and a church have been part of the same building since the Umayyad Mosque was built in Damascus in the 600s.

"This is something unique in the world," he says.

The idea for what has been termed "God's House" to be built in Fisksätra, near Saltsjöbaden, began to take shape a few years ago as a natural extension of the growing cooperation between the Church of Sweden, St. Konrad’s Catholic Church in Nacka, and the Muslim Association.

“No one really knows how the idea came about, but the three organisations have been working closely together since the 1960s," Larsson explains.

"In 2004, the local schools came to us and asked us for help and advice in how to teach children about religious tolerance and address any problems, and the idea to do something together started to take form as we thought, 'Could we do something?'"

The question of religious tolerance in Sweden was brought into sharp relief last autumn after the far-right Sweden Democrats won seats in the Swedish parliament for the first time.

The party campaigned on an openly anti-immigration platform, with advertisements and speeches which singled out Muslim immigrants in particular.

In the wake of the Sweden Democrats' electoral success, Bishop Bengt Wadensjö of the Church of Sweden wrote an open letter about the Nacka project to the Svenska Dagbladet (SvD) newspaper taking issue with party leader Jimmie Åkesson's views on immigrations and Muslims.

"We saw that fear of Islam gained a profile with the Sweden Democrats winning parliamentary seats, so I wanted to convey a completely different picture of Sweden," wrote Wadensjö.

"In Nacka we do not think that Muslims or immigrants should be seen as a threat, as suggested by Jimmie Åkesson. The idea is to demonstrate how people can get along together regardless of culture, language or faith."

First unveiled in 2009, plans for the project include major renovations to the current building which is owned by the Church of Sweden but which also has space rented by the Catholic Church.

After completion of the first phase of the project, which includes a facelift for Church of Sweden facilities and the expansion of space available for the Catholic Church, a mosque will also be built on land adjacent to the current structure.

The Christian and Muslim houses of worship will then be connected by a communal foyer.

In the longer term it is hoped that together they can also create a youth club and children’s centre together.

The new church will be the culmination of years of hard work put in by leaders from organisations representing Lutherans, Muslims, and Catholics who have sought to build a new place of worship together.

Imam Olwan believes the project is the ideal way to carry on the longstanding cooperation between the three parties.

"It was easy to agree to it, because we have lived and worked side by side for over 20 years," he explains.

"There are actually not so many differences between our religions, we do after all believe in one God, our children attend the same schools, and we all share similar local issues."

Not surprisingly, when news began to spread about the church, it received plenty of attention. Larsson says that although he and others involved in the project were expecting a degree of opposition, they have been generally pleased with the response.

“We knew there would be a lot of interest in this and there has been extensive media coverage," he says

Larsson admits, however that he has received a "fair amount" of negative reaction to the project.

"A lot of it is because, on both sides, we have such a strong picture of each other," he explains.

"This is at times based on historically bad experiences of each other and much of it could be put down to suspicion these days about Islam. The encouraging thing is that the positive reaction has so far outweighed the negative.”

There is plenty of work still to be done, however, before "God's House" becomes a reality.

The first stage of the rebuilding work, to be done later this year, will see the shared Catholic and Church of Sweden prayer room completed.

The planning application for the mosque, to be built on land purchased from the Church of Sweden, has been sent to the local authorities and Larsson is hoping for a decision later this year. Therefore it is likely to be at least two more years before the extension is built.

Nevertheless, Olwan of the Muslim Association is optimistic about the power of the project to sway perceptions.

"The idea of Gods House is a big, radical step, but we feel it is a highly symbolic way of showing that we wish to create something together," he says.

Olwan says he understands that the project won't necessarily change everyone's negative attitudes toward other religions, nor does it mean that the groups "have to agree on everything".

"We just want to bring people together. This is a chance for us to do something of great meaning," he says.

Presuming the plans are approved, there will another round of financing and planning, which has led to doubts from some that the project will be completed.

And in another symbolic gesture, the Muslim Association is looking to break from tradition by trying to find financing closer to home.

"Generally, when new mosques are built, money tends to come from wealthy donors abroad, but we have decided to try and do it differently and raise money locally instead," he explains.

"We feel we are all Swedish citizens and we will be looking to work together in this respect as well, seeing it as more proof of how we can all cooperate."

Larsson says the groups involved with the project remain hopeful that the money necessary can be raised both within Sweden as well as elsewhere in Europe if necessary.

”We believe that the mosque will be ready by 2014,” says Larsson, adding that he hopes the project becomes a model that can be followed elsewhere.

Geoff Mortimore (mortimore.geoff@gmail.com)

Your comments about this article

19:16 March 2, 2011 by ghaziusman
Awesome, It will be worth visiting
20:18 March 2, 2011 by Boyfriend
That is very positive good move :) I hope to see next time others faiths to share the idea and build the same Mosque-Church-Temple-Mandir- and So on.

And we see everybody to practice their religion under one banner House of God and who prays to whom its between them and their Gods :)

Allah says: "There is no compulsion in religion" Quran 2:256
21:49 March 2, 2011 by diegoveggie
what a nice way to waste money.
21:53 March 2, 2011 by Deffiz
@ Boyfriend: well said.

Now, if only more people who would call themselves Muslims would only read the Quran...

@ ghaziusman: I agree, or would agree, but not being religious, I wouldn't have much to do there.
22:37 March 2, 2011 by Ravioli
So are women allowed to pray along with the men? Can gay people attend this facility? Lots of questions raised by this.
22:42 March 2, 2011 by Syftfel
"...religious tensions continuen to cause friction"? What a pathetic, orwellian, statement this is. An attempt at obfuscate the real thruth. And a damned lie!!! The "religious tension", as you so matter of factly put it, is in fact islam's underhanded attempt at encroaching on Swedish society and, like a trojan horse, transform her into a Nordic kaliphate. This is utter nonsense and will not work!! Don't even try this! This "God's House" is doomed, before it's even being constructed. It is also an insult to Christianity, and presumably to islam, and will quickly morph into a mosque. Stop this sacreligious project now! Let the debate begin.
01:40 March 3, 2011 by Da Goat
Please get your grammar correct please use gods house not God's house as it clearly is not the latter as none of the three named denominations actually follow God (sadly probably the Muslims are closest) none of them do anything he asks all claim but none follow through! all three have a different god all are false and you just have to look at what they Do to see this clearly Jesus said "by their fruit you shall know them" so good luck to them I say they should get on just fine, not sure I would ever go there! the 3 unclean frogs from revelation in the same puddle amazing (well not really)
08:34 March 3, 2011 by zircon
And where is the Bahai?
08:51 March 3, 2011 by samwise
"No one really knows how the idea came about..."

could it come from one of the oldest ideas that men create god(s) in their image? World peace will come once we build a gigantic roof covering the whole earth, right?
09:22 March 3, 2011 by mfh4
"first time that a mosque and a church have been part of the same building since the Umayyad Mosque was built in Damascus in the 600s."

I do wish people would not say stupid things to make their ideas seem big, the Cordoba Masque has had a church INSIDE it since the 13th century
09:55 March 3, 2011 by engagebrain
Allah says: "There is no compulsion in religion" Quran 2:256

Except in Pakistan where another politician has been murdered for suggesting that execution for blasphemy is wrong.

Apostates.are in similar trouble

Every religion is verbose enough to cover - pussy cat or tiger, depending on the situation
12:47 March 3, 2011 by Roy E
This building is a monument to the vacuity of relativism.
13:13 March 3, 2011 by Twiceshy
Wow at this place they can worship their god:

http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/4-4.htm

Who do you think that is?
13:22 March 3, 2011 by Rishonim
I guess the Jews will be left out of this one, n'est-ce pas? What would happen if me and a couple of my fellow Jews drop in wearing kippots for a visit?? Will we get chased away???
14:57 March 3, 2011 by imnokuffar
Wow, what a fantastic concept !

All us misunderstanders of Islam are over the moon !

Presumably the Mosque will have the traditional separation of the sexes ?

And the church services will not be spoiled by the wailing 5 times a day from the Minaret ?

Perhaps you "Christians" should read and understand just what the Koran, the Hadiths and the Suras say about you before you venture further on this utopian dreamfest.

I have an even better idea; build this monstrosity in Malmo, but make sure it is fireproof and surrounded by a big blast-proof wall.

By the way one of the Abrahamic faiths is missing from this picture.

Guess which.

What a coincidence.

Why not invite the Osama or Amidinijhad to open it.

Best of luck.

Bloody fools.
16:58 March 3, 2011 by Swedesmith
Where's the Rasta's room? Hope they put in good ventilation.
17:56 March 3, 2011 by imnokuffar
Muslims quote verse 2:256 from the Qur'an to prove what a tolerant religion Islam is. The verse reads in part, "Let there be no compulsion in religion; truth stands out clearly from error…"

The Truth:

The Muslim who offers this verse may or may not understand that it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period. It was "revealed" at a time when the Muslims had just arrived in Medina after being chased out of Mecca. They needed to stay in the good graces of the stronger tribes around them, many of which were Jewish. It was around this time, for example, that Muhammad decided to have his followers change the direction of their prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem.

But Muslims today pray toward Mecca. The reason for this is that Muhammad issued a later command that abrogated (or nullified) the first. In fact, abrogation is a very important principle to keep in mind when interpreting the Qur'an - and verse 2:256 in particular - because later verses (in chronological terms) are said to abrogate any earlier ones that may be in contradiction (Qur'an 2:106, 16:101).

Muhammad's message was far closer to peace and tolerance during his early years at Mecca, when he didn't have an army and was trying to pattern his new religion after Christianity. This changed dramatically after he attained the power to conquer, which he eventually used with impunity to bring other tribes into the Muslim fold. Contrast verse 2:256 with Suras 9 and 5, which were the last "revealed," and it is easy to see why Islam has been anything but a religion of peace from the time of Muhammad to the present day.

There is some evidence that verse 2:256 may not have been intended for Muslims at all, but is instead meant to be a warning to other religions concerning their treatment of Muslims. Verse 193 of the same Sura instructs Muslims to "fight with them (non-Muslims) until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah." This reinforces the narcissistic nature of Islam, which places Muslims above non-Muslims, and applies a very different value and standard of treatment to both group
19:29 March 3, 2011 by diegoveggie
nothing better to do than building a place to communicate telepathically with a giant human like god that lives in space?

that money could be put to better use.
19:43 March 3, 2011 by Rick Methven
Though not ' believer' of any of these religions, I think that this sort of ecumenical coming together can only be positive.

maybe the negative posters here are just afraid that the Christian church may be able to find some common groun with Islam.

And where would that put the strongly "Christian" SD?

I do think that they should also get the Jews involved as well, if they want to make it truly ecumenical,

A church (or 2), a synagogue and a a mosque all in the same location, all you need is a Hindu, Sikh, and a Buddhist temples and peace would reign in Sweden?
21:34 March 3, 2011 by Nora
@Boyfriend:

So why if I quite Islam then I'd become allowed to be killed by other Muslims?

Ah, sorry, I'd forgot that those who allow this are not real Muslim! And what we see today in not real Islam. Of course Islam in its real "nature" is full of peace and tolerance and as one Imam said in this news:

"Religion has been used in such a negative way in history so this is a way of us showing it can be put in a positive light as well,"

I wonder why we have to keep this misused concept? and if putting a positive light could make a subject positive as well ...
03:11 March 4, 2011 by Boyfriend
@engagebrain

The extremists got no religion at all, Let give you an example

Hitller a Christian who killed thousands of Jews and over 50 million died because of him and his nation. He was Christian and his followers were also Christian it was not Hitller a lone to do this job.

The Big Bush /smal bush the american presidents a christian killed over Millions childrens in Iraq by putting only sanction on them and occupied their land He was a christian and his fighters were a christians. Crusaders ?and so on.

If you give you an example of christian leaders who are killing and have killed millions, you can not compared them with these terrorist who call themselves muslims and kill more Muslims instead to kill non? What kind of Muslims they they kill more Muslims have you noticed? but anyways they are all american gifts at time of war with Russia , they were teaching the kids in Pakistan in school 1+1 is equal 2 guns.

@Nora

According to Islamic law, you should not be killed if you leave religion. At the time of prophet Muhammad Allah's messenger many people joined Islam and left and some of them did it for purpose to insult and weak Islam but the Prophet did not order to kill them. Some of them were doing this to misguide others specially some Jews on that time were doing this.

There is a law for criminals and those who create Fitna among children of Adamn they deserve hard punishment. Otherwise it would make Muslim hate Jew or jew to hate christian it is not good and i believe 1400 ys the law were tougher.

You should read Quran and its messeger forget what happened 1400 years ago, If i qoute you from Bible the verse and about suicides and virgin rapers you would be shocked.

Some of losers without reading and understanding the time manner and fashion and compared it to right now

The Prophet Mohammad 1400 years made the black people as governer and married him to his cousin and Khaliph of Islam called the Black man my master , you do not see such a thing happens right now in this time.

Islam means peace submission to almighty Allah. Allah is the name of God

This freedom of speech would make us hate each, I honestly do not see any positive effect of this , all i see that this term is used toward Muslims only to insult them or prov them and when it comes to Jews the USA knowning that building is unlawful but still support israel in UN and in action. Double standers!
08:13 March 4, 2011 by marcelj
Most in the usa do not want a mosque at ground zero. Most view the muslim religon as a dangerous philosophy of hate and is incongruent with western cultures norms and mores. Water and oil do not mix, nor will it ever. The best thing for the muslim to do is to return to their homeland for they do not fit into western culture not are they accepted as normal people.
08:49 March 4, 2011 by calebian22
God's house. God and Allah are not the same. The Jews and the Christians share a God but Allah is not part of that package. Political correctness run amok, again.
08:56 March 4, 2011 by Rick Methven
@Caleban22

The Christians 'God', The Jews 'Jehovah' and the Muslims 'Allah' are the same 'God of Abraham'
09:10 March 4, 2011 by calebian22
Rick,

You are incorrect. The muslims believe in a monotheistic higher power. The concept of the Trinity is sacreligious. Granted the Chrisitian view of God is also slightly different but it sprang from from Judeism. The muslims are the odd man out in this one. They are the Johnny come latelies to the party.
09:33 March 4, 2011 by Boyfriend
@Caleban22

esus a Jew by race, was a Muslim by religion, A Muslim is some one who Submits Their Will to God. This Is What Jesus Did and Taught.

Regarding the Islamic teachings of Jesus:

Jesus called God "Alayho" in Aramaic.

Jesus taught to rinse before Praying as Muslims do {John 13:10}

Jesus bowed down in Submission on the Ground to God as Muslims do {Matthew 26:39}

Jesus said, all of You who Submit your will to God, are my true Brothers and Sisters (Mark 3:31-35) as Muslims do.

Jesus taught Salvation comes from Submitting our will to God and Faith as Muslims do.

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'" (Matthew 7:21-23)

* Jesus taught that only God is All Knowing as Muslims do.

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in

heaven, nor the Son [Prophet], but only the Father [Creator]." (Mark 13:32)

* Jesus taught he is just a servant of God as Muslims are:

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Prophet-Jesus/Jesus-Christ-a-Jew-for-Allah.htm

IF you go to north of Sweden and south of Sweden you will find many dialect
11:04 March 4, 2011 by Åskar
@calebian22

"Allah" is just the Arabic word for "God" and is also used by christians.
12:56 March 4, 2011 by Rick Methven
@Caleban22

If any group is out of line it is the Catholic church.

Jews and Muslims believe in a Monotheist supreme power, the God of Abraham Jehovah, Allah, God or whatever name but the same god.

Christians of all sects also believed in one god until the Roman church introduced the Filioque which changes the Nicene creed to make them believe in three gods - God the Father, God the son and God the holy ghost.
13:43 March 4, 2011 by Nemesis
There is no place of worship for satanists, those who worship Odin and those who worship nature.

I hope the satanists, nature worshippers and Odin followers, take a legal case for discrimination.
13:54 March 4, 2011 by calebian22
Rick,

We are talking semantics. The god of the Muslims is not the Judeo-Christian God. Saying "God," indicates Judeo-Christianity. Of course you are correct that the Jews are still stuck on the old covenant and are waiting for their Messiah. The idea of a Trinity is a based on the new covenant promises of Jesus. That doesn't change the God head likeness between the two religions.

Muslims are welcome to "Allah." Have you ever noticed the only ones claiming likeness are pc idiots or muslims? When was the last time you heard a Jew refer to Hashem as Allah or a Christian refer to God as Allah? (Middle Eastern conversations excluded) When a Coptic Christian refers to Allah it is not the muslim Allah. He is using the only available word in his language. It doesn't make the supreme beings the same.

As for a shared tradition, Muslims claiming shared roots with Judaism and Christianity doesn't make it so. I can claim your tv in your house is mine. It doesn't make it mine though. Pluralism in religion is ridiculous, especially when the differences between the religions are so stark.
14:13 March 4, 2011 by prince T
@boyfriend

Jesus taught to rinse before Praying as Muslims do {John 13:10} THIS IS A LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL. HE USED THIS SCENRIO TO TEACH HUMILTY, READ IT AGAIN

Jesus taught us how to pray in Matt 6: 5 - 15, he laid special emphasis on not being hypocritical WHICH BOYFRIEND IS PROMOTING HERE.

(Matthew 26:39 KJV) And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, . HE BOWED DOWN TO PRAY NOT TO SUBMIT. He does not need to bow to submit to the will of His father.

Jesus is the son of God but worked as his servant. Matt 26:29 He CALLED HIM FATHER

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. HE REFERRED TO HIMSLEF AS GOD HERE.

PLEASE DONT MISINTERPRET THE WORD OF GOD. Jesus is the son of God and as a result he is God. There is not one single justification for islam in the bible but you will find Jesus in the muslim books
16:18 March 4, 2011 by FozIber
mfh4, Rishonim and others:

The Cordoba church has not a Masseguid inside, has been a Masseguide transformed in Catholic Church when the Spanish kicked out the Muslim people.

Now, but what would want a Jew to do in a Catholic Church? If in the proximities, at that time, we where candidates to be grilled .... but outside hahahahahahaha

Now, about the building, this is a beautiful gesture.
18:14 March 4, 2011 by james7
What a waste of money this building is. It sounds like something that the US government would waste money on.

If schools have come asking how they can teach the kids to be tolerant and get along, tell those stupid educators, who apparently have not paid attention to recent history, to gather the muslims aside and TEACH THEM HOW TO BE TOLERANT. The Catholics, Jews, and Lutherans do not need to be taught tolerance. It is the muslims who are not tolerant!! There was no problems with terrorism until we let those stinking muslims into Sweden and the West!!

Do you see Lutherans or Catholics killing their children or relatives in honor killings?? Do you see Catholic or Lutheran suicide bombers?? So why don't you fools teach the muslims how to be tolerant??
19:01 March 4, 2011 by Gabin
Not one of these monotheist religions was born on the soil of Sweden...
22:49 March 4, 2011 by Baroness_Fredericks
Muslims claim they are so tolerant? Well, then let's take a look at Syria, since it is used to show just how tolerant they were in that country since the 600's! OK, just simply look at Syria today! No Christians need apply to live there, nor worship there. All Muslim Nations are this way. Turkey, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and on and on.... They all dominate and stifle any personal and educational growth! Anything personal and different they stomp out and forget being free if you happen to be female! All the centuries of females trying to break free of dominant males has been done away with in every muslim nation. Are we going to allow this in our neck of the woods? In YOUR areas as well?! Having a MOSQUE-*(of hatred and jihad), attached to a church is an oxymoron!!! That means that it totally contradicts the purpose of either. They clash in more ways than can be mentioned here! It's yet another way and avenue to create tensions betwixt the people and for Islam to convert your children, for they kill their own children if they dare to assimilate! Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Düsseldorf on Sunday: "Our children must learn German, but first they must learn good Turkish."

Comments made by Turkey's prime minister to the country's diaspora living in Germany have angered some conservatives. Recep Tayyip Erdogan says immigrant children should learn Turkish first and then German. Newspaper commentators remain deeply divided over the prime minister's visit.
23:53 March 4, 2011 by planet.sweden
Vichy Sweden

The elephant in the room is of course the exclusion of the Jewish religion from this "God's House". This absence speaks volumes about Jewish peoples bleak future in the new Eurabia, of which Sweden, true to form, is one of the most craven advocates. This project is really a symbol of the new Vichy Sweden.
01:43 March 5, 2011 by lonegunman
According to Henrik Larsson, project manager for the initiative, the new building would be the only place of worship of its type in the world and the first time that a mosque and a church have been part of the same building since the Umayyad Mosque was built in Damascus in the 600s.

Wake up! What ignorance! Henrik is wrong.

Muslims conquered Damascus in 634. The caliph, al-Walid I, commissioned the construction of a mosque on the site of the Byzantine St. John The Baptist cathedral in 706. The Damascus Mosque was always a supremist mosque. The cathedral was demolished. Prior to its demolition, the cathedral was in use by the local Christians, but a prayer room for Muslims had been constructed on the southeastern part of the building.
02:27 March 5, 2011 by bravedave
why comprimise? why try and please all types of religion? this is sweden and it should stay that way.
04:12 March 5, 2011 by hammad674
The education plays an important role in any religion ranging from Islam, Christianity Jewism, Hinduism, Budism or Sikhism. Uneducated can be brainwashed or mislead easily for dirty purposes. .In any Religious books from KORAN to BIBLE there is not a single lesson for terrorism or hating people on the basis of Religion or any race. For example I am a Muslim, I have read KORAN, and at any point i didn't feel that we are ordered by Almighty ALLAH to hate other religion or to kill them. So I don't hate any Christen, Jew or Hindu and can't even think of killing any innocent - all because i am educated and i have understand the religion in the right context. All educated people from any religion will behave the same way do as I. All because of Education. As a Muslim i condemn the Suicide Bombing (As according to Islam, Suicide is HARAM- strictly prohibited) and those who does this are uneducated and brainwashed that if they will do such act of killing Innocent Civilians they will please ALLAH and HE will grant him place in Jannat (Heaven) but the case is contrary ALLAH dislike such acts. Even a single innocent life taken (regardless of Religion or Race , Color) is equal to kill all the Human mankind according to ISLAM and person conducting such act will be questioned at the day of Judgement (Muslim believe in after death).

Jihad (War) is only encouraged against cruel Emperor or King in the battlefield only. And also in battle field not with children, old or women. So if people believe that TALIBAN or ALQAIDA is practicing real ISLAM by killing Innocent civilians by suicide bomb killing then it is entirely wrong and misled.

The purpose of my comment is not to defend ISLAM, as i respect all other religion as well and not consider myself to be superior to anyone, Just to make a clarification that every religion can only be understood better only in the light of Education. Education is the Key to practice any religion in the way it is meant to be.
07:52 March 5, 2011 by jackx123
what a lot of political horse dung this is. muslims belong in the arab world where the culture prevails.

if hippos were to belong in sweden we could hunt them as any other animal
12:01 March 5, 2011 by truthworthy
Noble but unrealistic. Yes Islam and Christianity share similarities but we have profound differences in major points such as the uniqueness of God, the son of God, the original sin, the acceptance of Prophet Mohammed (bpuh) and other issues.

As a Muslim I wouldn't waste my money into a place where something will be worshiped beside the one true God, where a Son will be declared for God, where they will say there is three Gods in one. Sorry but best of luck.
12:04 March 5, 2011 by asw
Boyfriend

Where did you get the information that Hitler and his crew were Christians? Hitler was brought up a catholic but became heavily influenced by a book called The Secret Doctrine by Helena Blavatsky. This was an occultic book which sparked the evil Theosophy movement, of which Hitler was a part. Google it for yourself and see if you don't believe me.

If Hitler was a Christian why wasn't his emblem a cross? Instead it was a swastika - and where does that come from? Hinduism. It is what the Buddha has on the bottom of each of his toes. This hardly upholds Christ, who says 'I am the way, the truth and the life'. Also on the net you will find a very interesting letter by a man called Albert Pike, who was a 33 degree freemason, written to a fellow freemason called Guisseppe Mazzini, outlining the design for 3 world wars. If you want to know who was behind Hitler, investigate the grubby work of the freemasons, my friend
13:30 March 5, 2011 by soultraveler3
This is a nice idea but it's sad that they left jews out. Was that on purpose?
14:16 March 5, 2011 by calebian22
Boyfriend,

Sorry I missed your fantasy passage. Jesus was a Muslim? You do realize that Jesus died 500 years before Mohammed transcribed Lucifer's whisperings into the Koran, right? What,did Jesus borrow Dr. Who's TARDIS to travel half a millenium into the future, to be subjegated under Islam and then travel back in time? Hammad674, above, mentioned education. You might want to try it on for size.
16:39 March 5, 2011 by jackx123
this is true nonsense: there are 4 books recognized by islam.... let the jews in under the same roof if this is such a noble cause and see what happens.

swedish politicians do really bend over without the aid of KY to get votes.

this stuff is totally incredible.
19:52 March 5, 2011 by engagebrain
Boyfriend - you make a case the Jesus was in essence a Muslim.

This raises the obvious question at to why a few hundred years later a prophet spouting the same mantra was needed to found a new religion.

You should have all been Christians.

In the new building how are they planning to handle the communion wine ?
21:26 March 5, 2011 by salvi
As soon as we lose the moral basis, we cease to be religious. There is no such thing as religion over-riding morality. Man, for instance, cannot be untruthful, cruel or incontinent and claim to have God on his side.

The sayings of Muhammad are a treasure of wisdom, not only for Muslims but for all of mankind.

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

God has no religion.

—Gandhi
02:32 March 6, 2011 by hammad674
@Celebian22

We all are talking about Peace, Love and Integration and you are again trying to initiate hate speech, And if you want to argue that its part of your Freedom of Speech then Remember Freedom of Speech also have some limits and didn't mean to say anything about any Religion or Personal Characterization. I don't know from which religion (or non believer or what so ever) you are but its enough for me to respect you that you are a Human. We never ever said and can't even Imagine of saying anything bad about the character of EESA A.S (JESUS A.S), MUSA (A.S) and all the other Prophets sent by GOD (ALLAH) for betterment of the People. Its part of ISLAM to believe on All the Messenger and Prophet sent by GOD (ALLAH) and respect them. So do the respect and be respected. There is nothing in HATE.
09:46 March 6, 2011 by calebian22
Peace love and integration has nothing to do with making religions the same.

I respect that you believe as you wish. You can believe in your Dog for all I care. However, don't show disrespect by blending Jesus with a warlord pedophile like Mohammad. (Even in that time, marrying a pre-menses child like Aisha was abnormal.)
12:52 March 6, 2011 by Dave N
Respect Mohammad? Respect has to be earned and the things he did just don't command respect. From Islam's own teachings it is quite obvious that he was a war-criminal who murdered surrendered POWs, a crazy Charles Manson figure who sent out assassins to murder his opponents, a slave trader, sexual predator and a man who tortured prisoners.

The question should be - how on earth can Muslims believe that this evil man was sent by God to guide mankind? Jesus and Moses would have seen him for what he was - a nasty piece of work. It is entirely logical to hate such a person and to distrust those who insanely believe that he was the Perfect Man.
15:28 March 6, 2011 by jackx123
The prophet mo'd was a pedophile. who on earth wants to be in the same place as a religion that worships a pedophile - get real for CHRIST sake.
16:05 March 6, 2011 by Nemesis
A house of god is discriminatory as it is described in the story. It is anti-European.

Only the Middle Eastern God is described.

None of the European Gods are described.

What about Thor, Freya, Odin, Loki, Danu, Lieaibolmmai, Saaraahka, Juoksahkka, Jabbmeaaakka, Živa, Zaria, Perun, Zeus, Poseidon, Frigg, Ukko, Matres, Macha, Rhiannon, Lugh, Sucellos, etc?

There is lots of people in Sweden from the Far East.

Why is Budda not represented?

In the name of diversity and equality altars should be built to all the gods.

Not to do so, would be racist in the extreme.
17:21 March 6, 2011 by Swedesmith
This is reminds me of when my mom used to put me in the same room with my cousin, Rathbourne, in hopes we would grow to like each other. Didn't work, I still dislike the f-er.
18:25 March 6, 2011 by wxman
A totally irrelevant and empty gesture that solves absolutely nothing, but makes some spineless excuses for people feel good.
07:00 March 7, 2011 by jackx123
yup look at the social democrats party secretary. he is now resigning cause they feel that it will hamper their chances of the next election. they see how SD came into the parliament and of the expense of the social democrats.

the majority of the SD voters came from the social democrats - go figure.

the welfare of traditional working class swede has been hammered by their own party on the expense of more immigrants. these are swedes who have spent their entire life working for a better sweden but failed to understand the underlying currents of the party leader's ambitions..... to sit as long as possible to lift as high pension as possible.

"who cares about the next generation as long as I have my pension secured at the highest possible level"

rest my case
11:41 March 7, 2011 by Rishonim
Again Sweden is trying to appease those they deem capable of endangering their well-being two generation down the road. My tax money will pay to build something I would not even be allowed to visit. When push come to shove the swedes will say to the dominant religion "have mercy on us"; remember we did everything possible to befriend you back in 2011 with the construction of this house of worship. We even left out the Yidds and the other religions cause we know how easily angered you get and we did not wish to offend you nor your gods.
12:21 March 7, 2011 by Nemesis
Why have a building devoted to catholicism, islam and church of sweden, which does not even display there common origins in the jewish religion?

All three of those religions have there roots in judeism. By not having the jewish religion at there core, I would question the real purpose behind this.

A better idea would be a pan European pantheon of the gods, displaying our common heritage.

At its core I would suggest the gods of knowledge. That could display the European gods of wisdom and knowledge, namely Lugh (celtic god), Odin/Wodin (germanic god), Svetovid (slavic god) and Zalmoxis (Dacian god).

Maybe to entice in the curious to learn about there common European heritage, the gods of thunder and lightning.

A building that shows the European gods Thor (germanic god), Perun (slavic god), Gebeleizis (Dacian-modern romania) and Taranis (celtic god) who are all thunder and lightning gods, could show to all our common European heritage.

I have started a discussion on this in the forum section of the Local, at:

http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=39669&hl=
16:17 March 7, 2011 by Streja
Rishonin, you tax money? Perhaps the rest of us should pay more tax so you can get some reading comprehension.

By the way, I'm pretty sure that other religions would not be welcome to build a house next to it as they don't believe in the same God.

As for a Jewish part, yeah I agree, but looks at statistics. How many of the Jewish faith live in Fisksätra?
17:36 March 7, 2011 by Nemesis
@ Streja,

They leave out Judeism as it is the father of the Abrahamic religions. Islam and Christianity are both descended from it.

That inconvenient fact they will not like to talk about.

In the name of equality, if building a religious house, then they should include all the religions. The Abramahic religions always discriminate when it suits them. They are never forced to back down and treat others as equals as they should be.
17:56 March 7, 2011 by mikewhite
Muslims say the 3-in-1 business is wrong, and yet get far more exercised over representations of the Prophet ... that seems inconsistent.
18:22 March 7, 2011 by Nemesis
@ mikewhite,

The 3 in 1 thing actually comes from Celtic and Germanic religions. It was very common around the 1st century in what is now France, Germany and Switzerland.

The christians adopted it to make it easier to assimilate the Gauls and Germans.
19:47 March 7, 2011 by mikewhite
Ok Nem, but my point was the inconsistency in them being down on treating a man as greater than an ordinary man.
20:31 March 7, 2011 by Nemesis
@ mikewhite,

Ah.

All religions are full of inconsistancies.

The Abrahamic religions are probably the most hypocritcal and inconsistant.
21:08 March 7, 2011 by Gabin
and the innocent Wolfs killed by stupid modernity,,,who will pray for them...
01:44 March 8, 2011 by Tooessgee
"According to Henrik Larsson, a pastor with the Church of Sweden in Nacka"

Ah, so that's where Henrik Larsson went when he left Celtic... :-)
07:12 March 8, 2011 by asee
I am Muslim and like this idea like other Muslims... here after reading comments, I felt athiest and christian have problem with this idea... unilke Muslim which is considered more what you call fundamentalist and extremists...
09:33 March 8, 2011 by Nemesis
@ asw,

Adolf Hitler was actually a catholic altar boy, until he was about 12.

Joeseph Stalin trained as and dropped out of becoming a Greek Orthodox priest.

Pol Pot trained and dropped out of becoming a a Buddist Monk

As for the Swastika.

It is actually one of Europe's oldest symbols. It is on rock carvings going back 8000 years and pottery 4000 years. It actually has been found in ancient deposits from Ireland to the Urals, from Finland to Greece. It is also quite common all over the region from Europe to India and South East Asis in ancient archeological sites.

In some parts of Spain, you can still see the Swastika above the door of some very old houses, as a symbol of luck, goodwill and welcome. Spaniards have been removing it from a lot of their houses when renovating.

The Swastika was more or less a common symbol of welcome, peace and openness before the 1920's. That was its actual meaning until the 20th century.

Then along came an ex catholic altar boy called Adolf Hitler, who INVERTED the actual swastika and placed it on a red background, to make the ultimate symbol of hate.
19:01 March 8, 2011 by jackx123
asee:

muslims worship a pedophile (M'd) and that is against my belief and how on earth can you name your child after a pedophile. this beats my logic
19:36 March 8, 2011 by dukkse
Religion is the root of all evil! How's that?

Ban all religion, and live like regular normal people, how hard can it be?
23:41 March 8, 2011 by PurpleMelbourne
This sounds like a great idea. Lets hope the Muslim moderates win the war of enlightened reason and change Islam away from how Mohammad intended it.

Repression of infidels is the most repressive and discriminative view on the planet. Much older and more extreme than Nazism ever was. Lets all cross fingers that ecumenical ideas succeed so we can all get along without threat of terrorism against us infidels.

Islamic law mandates execution of homosexuals. Muslim homosexuals have three chances to reform and then three choices of execution : halved by sword, thrown from high perch, stoning or hanging. Non muslim homosexuals have only one strike and no choice how they die for "their sin against Islam".

Non Muslims are to be "subjugated" by Muslims to show them the error of their ways. Rape is part of the process of subjugation showing you are inferior to muslimgs.

Read the Koran, it prohibits tolerance any non-Muslim "infidels". As a minority, could I ever be safe in a Muslim country?

@ dukkse Stalin banned religion. Do you really support banning/oppressing some opinions?
02:14 March 10, 2011 by wenddiver
hey can only be together if their believers know they are a lie. If a lie, who cares what the other says. The Swedish Church stopped being Lutheran a long time ago, now it's leftist bureacracy, so instead of saving Sweden from the horrors of Islam it will advance them.
04:31 March 11, 2011 by Qassim
Literally, the term "Allah" is a unique Arabic word that does not have opposite word (male - female, man - woman… tall - short and so on). If you carefully observe Muslims (those who know English language or leant Quran), they surely do not use the term God for Allah (in an interchangeable manner). Instead, they use Allah. The reason is that the term, "God" has opposite, "Goddess". In addition, using God for Allah is a violation of the first tenant of Allah's oneness and absoluteness. Read the following chapter from Quran:

Al-Ikhlas

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Say: He is Allah the One and Only; (1) Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; (2) He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; (3) And there is none like unto Him. (4).

Allah's knows best,
12:21 March 11, 2011 by Dave N
Allah knows best? No, mother knows best.
13:34 March 12, 2011 by forsdavg
If only the Monty Python team would make a movie on this hilarious trinity it could rival 'The Life of Brian'.

Your titles on a postcard please ...
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