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Swedish woman beats up groper - goes free

Swedish woman beats up groper - goes free

Published: 08 Jul 2011 11:13 GMT+02:00
Updated: 08 Jul 2011 11:13 GMT+02:00

The woman was paying for her ticket in a Stockholm underground station when an inebriated man in his 40’s came up behind her and groped her buttocks.

Footage from security cameras shows how the disgruntled woman responded by kneeing him in the groin, giving him a well-placed kick and punching him in the face.

“She kicked my ass, basically,” said the man, who can’t understand why he is the only one facing charges, to Metro.

The woman admitted to having given the man a good kicking but according to the newspaper report, the prosecutor for the case, Anna Remse, thought that the woman had reason to beat up her assailant.

Remse took the decision to charge the man of sexual harassment, while the woman will go free.

“It is stated in the decision that the woman had no prior criminal intent and the prosecution is therefore free to dismiss the case,” prosecutor Zilla Hirsch from the local prosecution office told Metro.

Rebecca Martin (rebecca.martin@thelocal.se)

Your comments about this article

11:55 July 8, 2011 by charubun pananon
Great, she should be better in Thai or kick boxing and know how to kick the main spot btween his two legs.
11:57 July 8, 2011 by helveeta
Love this story! I would like to see the video! :P
12:37 July 8, 2011 by nyh2o
haha, lov it - full support!
13:00 July 8, 2011 by Swedesmith
You go girl!
13:03 July 8, 2011 by glamshek
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13:27 July 8, 2011 by alecLoTh
The law is an ass, but got it right this time. Society at laergeg should not have to put up with sexual deviants at their own expense. He got what was due to him
13:29 July 8, 2011 by graphixperson
Isn't that the principal's ass? I'm not asking that the local provide pics of the actual beatdown, but come on, they could at least not use the same stock photography.
14:28 July 8, 2011 by Darwinder
My wife would have done the same, great job for fighting back, so sick of seeing this drunken arseholes making idiots of themselves!
14:39 July 8, 2011 by Lostaussie
There is not really enough details here but it seems like the guy has received a beating for a minor assault which left no injury. Proportional response is ok but this seems a bit over the top.
14:47 July 8, 2011 by Matewis

Over the top it, maybe. But let's see him try that again.
15:15 July 8, 2011 by MichaelZWilliamson
Glamshek: Go back where you came from.
15:18 July 8, 2011 by Zonob
Good for her. " I like it that way" as the BackStreetBoys would say!
15:21 July 8, 2011 by fauna
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15:29 July 8, 2011 by prince T
I am appalled by the fact that they were going to prosecute the woman in the first place. He saw the woman as vulnerable, that was why the man grabbed her thingy. . However if it was the principal that did that i will take issues with it
15:38 July 8, 2011 by ostertaljeman
he deserve more

well done lady
15:52 July 8, 2011 by calebian22
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16:04 July 8, 2011 by faribas
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16:18 July 8, 2011 by karex
Good for her! I am however suprised that she was not prosecuted, this being Sweden and all, but I am pleased with the outcome of this case, in this particular situation. Has happened to me at least three times (not here but in South America) and the three times the man ended up the worse for wear. Two of the times were in front of several witnesses, and the one time when I actually broke the aggressor's nose was because he grabbed me with such force that I was bruised for weeks
16:37 July 8, 2011 by Vendorune
this story doesn't say what she was wearing ... maybe there was a PINCH sign on her butt?
16:45 July 8, 2011 by cen1
Geez! So many comments, especially "faribas", highlighting how racist and closed minded some Swedish people appear to be! It's fine to not personally agree with something, but a true 'advanced society' not only tolerates but encourages differences, multiculturalism, and open mindedness. The elitist, very nazi sounding views coming through in some comments (if they are indeed by Swedes) is only making Sweden appear like the backward, less 'advanced' country.

P.S. Thumbs up for the woman kicking the sleezebag's ass (or balls)!
17:15 July 8, 2011 by Soft Boiled
Ah its that headmistress again.. i recognise her in the photo! ;)

Seriously though.. this is good news and for once the law got it right. If some one invades your personal space or your person you have a right to react. Good going!
17:15 July 8, 2011 by Amber Dawn
-Proportional response is ok but this seems a bit over the top.-

So, she should have turned, grabbed his junk and walked away?
17:46 July 8, 2011 by belardo
''she kicked my ass'' . you are lucky she did not feed your balls to the dogs. freaking pervert.
18:25 July 8, 2011 by Sarek
A few weeks ago, a girl falsely accused me of groping her, to get back at me. It was a strange experience and it makes men vulnerable to abuse if the woman's story is always believed.
19:06 July 8, 2011 by Grandson of Swedish Emigrants
This definess what is wrong with Swedish jusdice.

The man groped her and should be tried for his crime. His being charged with a crime is appropriate.

The question is the "lawfulness of what the woman did." The law assumes that in a confrontation we act like a "reasonable man or person." That means we don't use deadly force when deadly force isn't required, and that we use an appropriate level of force. We also don't used more force (i.e. violence) than is required to stop the situation.

Let's look at the key facts as presented in this article as they explain what is wrong with Swedish "justice."

" (1)..an inebriated man in his 40's came up behind her and groped her buttocks.

(2)..Footage from security cameras shows how the disgruntled woman responded by kneeing him in the groin,

(3)...giving him a well-placed kick

(4)... and punching him in the face.

(5)...The woman admitted to having given the man a good kicking..

(6)...(Swedish prosecutor decided that)...the woman had reason to beat up her assailant."

A drunk groped a woman. Was she in physical danger after the initial grope? Did she do far more than do what was necessary to stop his actions or to see that he was arrested? She decided to become judge, jury and punisher of the the person who via alcohol had dimished capacity. She kneed him in the groin. That should have more than stopped him.

Did she stop there? No. She kicked him. Did she stop there? No. She hit him in the face.

Let's stop a moment and think about this. A DRUNK-guy gets kneed in the groin, kicked, and then hit in the face. Is it likely that the DRUNK-guy didn't fight back after being kneed in the groin? The tape should show that. If he was kneed in the groin, and kicked, was he likely to be on his feet and standing up the entire time, before he was hit in the face?

What occured was an excessive use of force by the woman. An understandable excessive use of force in some cultures that value "US wild west style respect for a person or a woman's virtue." Is Sweden a culture that values vigilantees? Is Swedish jusdice based on vigilantee justice?

A classic definition of vigilantee is "..a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate)."

So prosecutor for the case, Anna Remse, decided that being a vigilantee and meeting out street justice was just fine in this case.

And that is what is wrong with Sweden's legal system. It is a system where prosecutors are handing out subjective justice that changes on the whim and political correctness of the situation and their feelings about the "victim" and their feelings about the political correctness of the criminal that initiated the event.

SHAME on Anna Remse and all the people of Sweden who do not get her removed from her position of authority.
19:24 July 8, 2011 by old git
screwed up legal system...the Swedes get what they deserve I suppose - it's a democratic country with balmy legislators...
20:50 July 8, 2011 by cornpone
We could only pass judgement on this if we could see the video. From what I know of Swedish women and their man hate, it could have been an innocent, joking, flirtation that went a little overboard. Still, its funny. Why even call the police? He got his whooping and she got her vengence. I dont see any reason to involve the cops. Now this drunk fella, who was quite likely acting out of character, will have a criminal record.
21:01 July 8, 2011 by Grokh
assault? give her a fking medal for beating the guy up and arrest HIM!.

this is a civilized society if you just run to someone and grub them you should very well expect consequences.

in this case he should go to jail, as she was just defending herself.
21:11 July 8, 2011 by Central European
Well i think she was right .

But why , after a proper punishment is necessary to vaste gvt money with sexual harrasement process ?
21:35 July 8, 2011 by mkvgtired
@Lostaussie, Simple solution, if you dont want to get the crap kicked out of you then dont go around grabbing random woman's butts. A woman should not always have to be afraid to defend herself. Or a man if someone attacks him for that matter. If you dont want to get beat up/killed dont rape people, rob people, or break into someones home. Pretty simple cause and effect.

@Sarek, I agree a woman's story tends to be believed more often, but in this case there was a video to back it up.

@Glamshek, that sounds like the worst solution to this problem. I much prefer how this situation worked out. This will probably be the last time this guy gropes a woman in public. Most woman I know dont want to look like bee keepers in the dead of summer, and like to drive, and go swimming, and god forbid drink. If the god you speak of is going to punish all of us why dont you leave it up to him and stop trying to change how free people live. If you are right we will be punished for eternity, so dont worry about it.

@cornpone, I agree, it should be one or the other. She beat the crap out of him so it should be left at that. Seems like double dipping that he gets the crap kicked out of him AND a criminal record. I understand the legality of it, but it seems like he got punished enough to change how he acts.
21:35 July 8, 2011 by Avidror
@ Grandson of Swedish Emigrants, #25.

I dissapoint you. Your reasoning is based on the fact that the woman was groped but not physically harmed, but the seriousness of a crime doesn't depend only in that fact. A sexual offense itself is serious enough to justify the force as a response.

You tell that the woman's life was not in danger, but thinking about it, the level of force she applied was far from being lethal as well.

She was sexually abused, a serious crime even without danger to her life, and she used a non-lethal force to repel the aggression. That's not a crime.

To all of those who seem to be impressed by the fact the woman wasn't charged for what she did, Swedish laws specify that self-defense is not a crime.

And, by the way, I like the photo which accompanies the article.
21:50 July 8, 2011 by el dorado
From an extremely early age, women are taught to be hyper alert and on constant guard against rape. And though the medica focuses on Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) as a military-related illness, women who have been raped also often suffer from PTSD. Who's to say this women's reaction wasn't PTSD related? Maybe she or someone close to her has been previously assalted. As evidenced by the totalitarian comments of Glamshek, as well as the increase of rapes and honor killings in Scandinavia, I believe this woman's reaction was well within the bounds of protecting herself.

If there were no threat of totalitarianism and gender apartheid, if there were no threat of rape, if there were no threat of violence against women, then her actions would have been over-the-top. But as long as women are continual targets and victims of these abuses and threats, then women have a right to protect themselves. There are constant warnings that due to rising numbers of rape/violence against women, women in Oslo should no longer be out alone after dark.

It has furthermore been proven time and time again that Swedish health care is under financed and people very often do not receive proper care. In an ever increasingly violent society and in a society where individuals can not get proper health care, I think it's easy to understand why many people and many women feel that they have to protect themselves as best they can.

@sarek - I'm sorry for what you experienced.
21:58 July 8, 2011 by Dagem Hailemariam
I have to say "Grandson of Swedish Emigrants" you are on point!!

I can only see to equal options...they can either charge both with criminal misconduct or drop the charges for both. That is the only objective thing to do. He groped her and she kicked his ass. I would say they are even!!
22:02 July 8, 2011 by The Grand Master
This is what you get for giving women the vote and equality. Back to the kitchen Mrs....!

Seriously though, how cool is that! Giving the drunken perv a good beating, quite right too. The bloke should be paraded on national tv and shamed for his behaviour.
22:02 July 8, 2011 by mkvgtired
@glamshek, I like el dorado's point. If there was not a threat of rape, why would woman need to be careful, or even have to consider covering themselves up? I like swimming and boating in the summer. These activities tend to have attractive women in bikinis participating in them. Guess what I, or any men I know, have not raped any of them.

Maybe you should look in the mirror. If you cant control your urge to rape women with over an inch of skin exposed I dont know how you can rightfully blame it on them. You should consider being castrated.
23:03 July 8, 2011 by prince T
Goood point. @mkgvtired
23:25 July 8, 2011 by martyc
I am so sick of you whingers crying racism,racism. How come you some of you people can't help bringing this issue into every forum discussion, it gets a bit monotnous. See if you can discuss an issue without turning it into a discussion abot race.
23:32 July 8, 2011 by Nemesis
She did right.

She should be awarded for what she did.

Well done that woman.
00:45 July 9, 2011 by dolphin, the
I guess this should be considered good by common sense. What makes this case very interesting though, is the fact that it is endorsed by the judiciary.

@ glamshek,

What makes you think that every man who drinks go around groping women?

Do you think it is fair for our women to be covered because there are some perverts who can't resist their urge of making advances?
02:09 July 9, 2011 by William Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha
Don't forget some of you, at the time the woman didn't know the intent of the attacker. A strange man comes up behind her in a tube station (possibly at night, possibly with few people around) and grabs hold of her in a sexual manner. She reacted to protect herself, from who knows what. Good on her.
04:51 July 9, 2011 by Avidror
An article in The Local has again derived on comments regarding inmigration, ethnicity and so on, while the article itself is unrelated to such issues. It's evident, by the way, that the user known as glamsek is just a troll. Ignore him or her and he or she will disappear.
05:33 July 9, 2011 by dolphin, the
@ Avidror

I second you.
10:54 July 9, 2011 by Earandur Lissesul
Well done girl, one less creep who will think twice about his actions.
13:17 July 9, 2011 by prince T
On a more serious note i will suggest thatTL tip off the police on Glamshk. This is how they start. They start with inflamatory comments on websit and the next thing is terror attack. In Pakistan, Saudi and most mid eat nations, most rapes are blamed on women. It is a crime for a woman to look pretty. That is why they must cover up so that men dont rape them. If they are rape while not covered, it is the woman that is jailed. I dont blame Glamshek for his comments
14:26 July 9, 2011 by billibob
In the age of extreme feminism (whatever that is), the inaction to prosecute the attacking female only highlights the reversed bias against men.

Lets suppose that the roles were reversed. An inebriated female pinched a males buttocks in public (this happened to me on a number of occasions in a nightclub environment). Would the male then be justified in physically assaulting the female (according to the above case the answer seems to be YES)!
17:53 July 9, 2011 by wxman
@ Grandson of Swedish Immigrants: I too am one, but think this woman responded appropriately. Responding with equal or lesser force isn't always appropriate. He may not have physically hurt her, but he did violate her. Therefore she punished him for his behavior, rightfully so. The victim has the right to punish their attacker.
18:32 July 9, 2011 by J. L. Belmar
The majority here have not put themselves in the woman's shoes. They are commenting about what is enough and what is enough. Should she have murder the stupid? Or, perhaps, she should be thankfull because it was the first time someone grabbed her buttocks.

What is too much for the majority here and what is not too much for the aggraviated woman. What is cold for you and what is cold for her. Almost everybody is judging subjectively.

Some are defending the drunken guy, but, let me ask those who are doing this. Do you think that the drunken guy will eat fire? In my country we say that there is not a drunkard that eats fire.

Also, the problem here is that the majority has forgotten that we are in a country were the ones who exercise their rights go to jail and the ones traspassing your rights go free. It is not a matter of sexes; it is a matter of the type of Swedish justice we are enjoying, where everybody is guilty until they prove the opposite.

My advice to the woman is that if something similar occurs to her in the future, she should cut his balls and make him eat them like Swedish meatballs.
01:53 July 10, 2011 by funtmaster
I thought on this a while.

I think the woman should have been prosecuted and I give you reasoning:

What if the roles had been reversed, a drunk woman had pinched a mans bottom and he responded by "kneeing her in the groin, giving her a well-placed kick and punching her in the face? Who would not want him prosecuted?
03:07 July 10, 2011 by GLO
How's a guy get to know a woman????
13:59 July 10, 2011 by soultraveler3
Good for her.

People should be able to defend themselves without fear of going to jail.

The nasty drunk got what he deserved.
15:32 July 10, 2011 by big5
If you look at the video it wasn't anything like PTSD or even attempting to defend herself.

The woman was just angry and expressed that anger physically. She didn't even kick or hit him very hard.

This is such a non-story.
17:12 July 10, 2011 by IcedGreenTea
For funtmaster: Let's just take gender out of it.

Person A is going about their life, minding their own business, buying a transportation ticket.

Person B, a stranger, comes up behind Person A and grabs a private area of Person A's body.

Person A responds with knee-kick-punch, then stops, determining Person B is no longer a threat.

Why on Earth would Person A get prosecuted for excessive force? Person A did not pull out a gun, knife or lead pipe and permanently maim or kill person B. Person A responded only with their own hands and feet, on a moment's notice, spontaneously in defense. You try judging adequate force when you are startled and frightened when grabbed from behind. Self-defense courses teach people to react the way Person A reacted.

If Person A was my brother or son, and reacted this way to a drunken stranger (man or woman), I would not want him prosecuted. As the judge ruled, there was no criminal intent on the part of Person A. This is simply what can happen when you come up behind someone and violate their body.

We can further assume in this case that Person B would likely be judged upon appearance to be bigger and stronger than Person A, which would allow Person A to perceive Person B as a greater threat. Now funtmaster, I'd like you to imagine that a bigger, stronger man comes up behind you and does the same thing. Do you actually think you should go to jail for defending yourself?
22:51 July 10, 2011 by Avidror
@rationalperson, #49.

Do you really consider the Nordic countries to have been ruined by muslim inmigrants. C'mon, guy, just compare the quality of life and the economic development in Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland and Denmark with those ones in Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece.

Germany has 5,000,000 Turks and is one of the most developed and rich countries on Earth. The Netherlands also are a highly developed country with their inmigrants.

And I repeat: what has this case of groping and self-defense to do with inmigration issues? Was the groper even an inmigrant from a muslim country?
02:33 July 11, 2011 by bira
So if the roles were reversed, you think this female prosecutor would have elected not to prosecute a man? I think not and if you can't do that, then you cannot let this woman go without prosecution.
09:12 July 11, 2011 by cutthecrap
The woman was attacked, she responded appropriately. He's lucky to get away so lightly, in more civilised countries he would have received a more appropriate sentence.
19:06 July 11, 2011 by Avidror
@bira, #54.

Self-defense is legal regardless of gender. I mean, if a girl gropes a man and the man responds in what the law considers self-defense, the man is not prosecutable.

@cutthecrap, #55.

Sweden is a civilized country. If the man hasn't received a more appropriate sentence, it's because he hasn't been sentenced yet. The trial is still pending, let's see to what extent he is punished.
02:12 July 13, 2011 by funtmaster

Let's take physical size out of the equation too. Was the woman defending herself in a proportionate manner to the threat or perceived threat? I think not. I think she could have sent a clear and appropriate message to the man by slapping his face. I don't condone the mans actions but what was the woman in fear of.... Another pinched buttock? I'm sure the woman was outraged - as I would be, but she lost the plot and went overt the top with her response.

To answer your question - if I had acted as she had, I would expect the authorities to be knocking on my door.
02:19 July 13, 2011 by Avidror
@funtmaster, #57.

"I don't condone the mans actions but what was the woman in fear of.... Another pinched buttock?"

Why do you think "a pinched buttock" is not a serious crime?

"I'm sure the woman was outraged - as I would be, but she lost the plot and went overt the top with her response."

I'd have told the same if the woman had kicked the head of the offender repeatedly, or something like that, thus putting his life in inmediate danger. But that was not the case.
23:58 December 31, 2011 by satinder
This highlights a huge gender double standard.

I am not condoning what this man did and the woman had a right to defend herself - but would it be acceptable for a man to so violently retaliate against a woman doing the same thing?

I was groped by a drunk woman once and didn't hit back at all. I would have been stigmatised if I did.

It's time people looked at this sort of thing and recognised the problems male victims of domestic violence face - they are often ignored, laughed at, have nowhere to go and are defenceless (because they can't hit the woman back).
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