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Four arrested for preparing terror crimes

Four arrested for preparing terror crimes

Published: 11 Sep 2011 10:05 GMT+02:00
Updated: 11 Sep 2011 10:05 GMT+02:00

"The arrest was made with the help of the National Task Force and Gothenburg's police force," she said.

The National Task Force (Nationella insatsstyrkan) is the Swedish police's special operations unit.

Sweden's terror alert level has been at an 'elevated' level for a year, but Kvarnström reports that incidents in Gothenburg haven't raised the alert level further.

"There's an ongoing judgment made, and it can always be changed. But right now we've judged that there is no reason to take security-raising measures in Swedish society in general," Kvarnström told TT.

"There's no cause for the general public to be concerned," she said.

Sara Kvarnström doesn't want to comment further on the events of the night.

The arrest occurred during the night between Saturday and Sunday, near Röda Stens Konsthall, an art gallery by the Älvsborg Bridge.

Gothenburg's International Biennial for Contemporary Art's opening party was ongoing at the gallery, when the police arrived on the scene.

Just after midnight, the police asked the gallery's manager to evacuate the area.

"I don't know much more than that the police threw us out, and said they'd arrested four people suspected of terror crimes. Then they cordoned off the whole area," said manager Mia Christersdotter Norman to daily newspaper Expressen.

Gothenburg police confirmed that an area around Röda Sten has been cordoned off.

On Sunday morning, the police website informed the public that the area was evacuated and cordoned off because of "a threat that implied serious danger to lives, health or extensive property damage."

"I can't say anything else, because we aren't giving any information from here," said Gunilla Gustafsson, of the police's county communications centre, to TT.

Röda Sten now shows no sign of last night's evacuation. Photographer Adam Ihse, from Scanpix photo agency, was at the spot earlier Sunday morning.

"There's nothing left, no cars, no policemen. It looks exactly like normal," said Ihse to TT.

The arrest was made ten years to the day since the terror attacks in New York.

TT/Clara Guibourg (news@thelocal.se)

Your comments about this article

10:44 September 11, 2011 by Iraniboy
Another parade like the one in Arlanda airport and the one in Gothenburg last year? I hope they have substantial proof for such arrest! I just wonder why they cannot arrest those real criminals and gangs who set fire around the cities and ....
10:47 September 11, 2011 by calebian22
Any bets on the demographics of these terrorists? Anyone? Anyone?
10:55 September 11, 2011 by Rey Stockholm
I hope it s not more problems with immigrants.

If people can not be loyal to their new home they should be deported
11:18 September 11, 2011 by Uncle
iraniboy

No, I am sure they are as innocent babies. And if they are not, I am sure that they are actually Mossad agents (according to Wikileaks of course).
11:33 September 11, 2011 by AHA
These sick people get their nourishment and kicks from the reaction of others. Their beliefs in some religion or ideology is just a facade covering their twisted minds. Give them the punishment they deserve and then forget about them.
11:34 September 11, 2011 by PoJo
Oh dear God, what kind of bs is this? There is probable cause of terrorist crimes, 4 have been arrested, but nothing can be revealed?What is this, some sort of joke? And how long are governments gonna milk on that 9/11 event?

Please, cut this nonsense!
11:48 September 11, 2011 by Keith #5083
Unfortunately proof is rarely 'substantial' in this area of operations until after full searches have been made of ALL the possessions of the accused.

As for arresting 'real criminals and gangs' they probably would arrest 10 times more if ordinary law-abiding citizens were willing to come forward and testify as to what they have witnessed. Regrettably most content themselves with moaning and in this 'case' it appears the police have intervened BEFORE anyone set fire to cities. Apparently, that is also reason to complain.

They will 'milk' 9/11 for as long as joe public wants total certainty of safety. The next thing,under human rights, we will hear is a banana skin brigade patrolling our cities...
12:19 September 11, 2011 by PoJo
Keith, I suppose you were replying to me, right? And even though I did not address my post to you, I might wanna reply you back.

Good for you that you wanna live in a police controlled environment, giving you the illusion that you are safe and at the same time, giving you nightmares of being under constant threat of terrorist attacks of some sort. Good for you, man!

Now, what I think and I express is none of your business to analyze.
12:30 September 11, 2011 by Bender B Rodriquez
Well, at least now everyone knows there is an international biennial for contemporary art going on :)
12:32 September 11, 2011 by summo
Pojo and your point is? I would imagine that they arrest many folk for similar things all the time, it just happens to be news today. You can be arrested for being a suspect and later released you know, that's part of Policing. If you don't like it, try going to a country where the Police don't exist or are totally corrupt, I think your view will change then.
12:52 September 11, 2011 by Keith #5083
#PoJo

When you place comment in the public domain on a public comment board,it is unreasonable not to expect some sort of response.My apologies if any of my comments caused you offense. It is not personal.

That having been said, it might be appropriate for you to apologise if any of your comments caused offence to anyone else in the 'public domain' where you saw fit to post your comments.

I am not holding my breath waiting...

Note: I did address this post to you. My previous post, as an objective 'analysis' would reveal, covered a number of points made by a number of 'posters'.
12:58 September 11, 2011 by GLO
Fools come rushing in. Thankyou summo. No one knows when the next terrorist will step up.
13:01 September 11, 2011 by RobinHood
What is the issue with some of the dimmer posters here?

If the police have reasonable grounds to arrest someone for terrorism offences, of course they should do so. What kind of dimwit suggests they should not?

If, after subsequent investigations, examination of the evidence, or trial, it turns out no offence has been commiteed, or that the offence was commited by someone else, they should be released without charge. This is standard policing everywhere in the world. Do some posters here actually go through life believing that arresting suspects in terrorism investigations is unique to Sweden?

The four people arrested this morning can explain themselves, and if they are innocent, then they have nothing to worry about.
13:25 September 11, 2011 by olive_tree
An interview with the Säpo spoke person, the only answer( I can not say, I can not comment) http://www.gp.se/nyheter/goteborg/1.720365-fem-fragor-till-sapo
13:53 September 11, 2011 by PoJo
Oh Keith please get over yourself! Have no more to say to you, thanks very much.

As for the comfort that the police state gives to me personally, I should think that some of my friends that were vandalized the other night by some stupid teenagers were in a more immediate need of help that the people that were supposedly object to the terrorist attack, that oh, wait a minute, it's exactly ten years after September 11. What a shock, people, can't these terrorists choose another date for God's sake? However, the people who attacked my friends are out there and the police is taking it very easily to say the least.

How strange that all major terrorist threats get their way through and are undiscovered until performed. What we hear is just a bunch of hypotheses which serve nothing else than creeping people out.

And oh, to be clear, posting your idea somewhere does not mean that it is open for analysis. Everyone has got their own opinions. Good for you for keeping your own and respecting the others'.
14:02 September 11, 2011 by godnatt
Once again the Muslims of the Local jumping to the defense of any terrorist or murderers they can find.

And you wonder why you viewed as you are.
14:36 September 11, 2011 by Twiceshy
SAPO want more money from budget, they want bigger salaries and they need to pay more rats who don't like to go in factory to work than they like to befriend and spy people. Therefore they arrest people.
14:37 September 11, 2011 by summo
Pojo, property can be vandalised, friends assault, which was it?

secondly, I would imagine that your friend might accept being roughed up a bit, because the Police were busy on a raid that potentially saved lifes. Policing is all about priorities. Remember even after a thousand attempts the terrorist only needs to be successful once, the odds are permanently against the Police and other agencies. The west is 'lucky' there have not be other such major attacks in the last 10years because the security services have been looking in the right direction, but who knows what the future brings.

If you think you have if tough, why don't you walk the streets at night in Mexico City or Bogata, you won't have to worry about Islamic terrorist or a nanny police state then, other things will be on your mind.
15:03 September 11, 2011 by Tysknaden
@godnatt: They just cannot resist the reflex of supporting their brothers.
15:07 September 11, 2011 by muscle
@calebian22:

How about norwegians and US forces for a bet?
15:20 September 11, 2011 by PoJo
And there you have it, point made! What is achieved by this constant fear of threats is ignorant, discriminating, boneless puppets whose braincells are damaged enough at the point that they just go with the crowd without the slightest doubt.

My religion is life, and what serves to protect it. Doubting the next person I see, is not part of my philosophy of life.

I believe in people and I also believe in the good in them. I might be a dreamer, but this is my take on it. I wouldn't like wasting my life in making categories.

So if you stop for a second and think beyond the box, you wouldn't make these stupid comments with no basis whatsoever.

Do not type in vain! Good night, go back playing with your smartphone now!
15:29 September 11, 2011 by Iraniboy
@calebian

For a normal person, capturing a criminal leads to rejoice hand happiness but capturing and humiliating an innocent person is sad and condemned. For sick and racist people however it is not important if someone is innocent or guilty the important thing is their demographic attribution. Once you realize your mental sickness and you excessive desire to find out people's democraphic background you can try to mend it!

@Uncle

You are sure they innocent? But I'm not! I just remember that the last two incidents that police captured someone for terrorist attacks in Arlanda and Gothenburg were hoax.

We are now having anniversary of the terrific 9/11 when 3000 innocent Americans were killed by terrorism while we don't mention 6000 Americans were killed afterwards due to political and economical benefits let alone hundreds of housands of innocent people killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are using gasoline to exinguish a fire!
16:37 September 11, 2011 by bcterry
We are now having anniversary of the terrific 9/11 when 3000 innocent Americans were killed by terrorism while we don't mention 6000 Americans were killed afterwards due to political and economical benefits let alone hundreds of housands of innocent people killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are using gasoline to exinguish a fire! "

The overwhelming majority of innocent deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan have been committed by muslim on muslim.

Muslims are the ones throwing gasoline on the fire.
16:39 September 11, 2011 by hatim
calebian,

I am sure you were also taking wagers in Norway shootings.

Jumping to conclusions is not a good idea, trying to put blame for few peoples bad deeds on a whole nation, religion, ethnicity is even worse. But I guess people who know that already don't need reminder.
16:55 September 11, 2011 by Tysknaden
@hatim: You will not drown us in this soup of relativismn. Religion IS the problem.
17:05 September 11, 2011 by cowboykodp
@Caleb;

Exact words used by your buddy Kent Ekroth of SD just after the Norwegian massacre.

Plagiarism??

Is it me or am I missing any indication of the suspects "demographics"?

Last time I checked there were other people living in Gothenburg besides Muslims.
17:09 September 11, 2011 by calebian22
Hatim,

The safe bet is always muslim terrorism in this day and age. What is it about Islam that makes it so attractive for violence to those wishing to attack innocents? Breivik was a loon who happened to be a Christian. Where were his exclamations of "Jesus is great" while he murdered? The media has focused so much on the fact that he is a "Chrisitian" terrorist. In his manifesto, where was his religious basis for his violence? His basis was political not religious. Followers of Allah who commit violence always seem to do it in his name and have Koranic versus to back their actions. At the very least Mohammed was a violent warlord who left death in his wake. Suras like 33:21 put his actions on a pedestal for all to follow. This is why beheadings and underage marriage is so popular in muslim cultures. They are only following the example their prophet set for all. Liars like Iraniboy always make excuses for the religion of peace, which is anything but peaceful.
17:14 September 11, 2011 by godnatt
@ "cowboy"

Because Sweden and it's media have such a great track record of honestly including demographics in it's news stories and statistics about crime.

Fail.
17:22 September 11, 2011 by calebian22
Cowboy,

You are right, no mention in the story at all. That is why I said, "bet." However on the tenth anniversary of Sept. 11th, do you really think that any terrorism is going to be anything but Islamic?

Säpo agrees with me and Ekroth apparently. Islamic terror in Sweden continues to be the biggest threat, according to their intel.

http://www.thelocal.se/35970/20110906/
17:25 September 11, 2011 by cowboykodp
Caleb,

Your views on other religions are very convenient to support your distorted beliefs.

Not much different than the Breivik's, Jihadists , leftist and seperatists beliefs of that which is THEIR VIEW.
17:50 September 11, 2011 by godnatt
@ caleb @ "cowboy"

Yes, I guess the fellas over at Säpo are just more "evil right wing radicals" and "Nazis" like Breivik then?

Or maybe they are interested in the truth instead of puss och kram fantasy.

Thank god.
17:58 September 11, 2011 by muscle
@cowboykodp : :P perhaps caleb IS Kent Ekroth of SD
18:15 September 11, 2011 by cowboykodp
@godnatt;

Where in my post did you read that I included Säpo?

Lay off the crack.

@muscle

Not that improbable. But I just think that Caleb is misguided, misinformed and sheltered. But he is a cool guy otherwise. Kent Ekroth on the other hand is THE SD mastermind.
18:36 September 11, 2011 by godnatt
@ "cowboy"

Considering @Caleb shares the same "distorted" beliefs as Säpo about the fact that Islamic terrorism is still the largest and most likely terrorist threat in Sweden...

You do the math. Or try anyway.
18:53 September 11, 2011 by Uncle
iraniboy

Cool disregard of my sarcastic comments about Wikileaks. Liked it.

No, you right. We should not arrest terrorists but hug them with love. Send more money to the countries that sponsor terror. Give more refugee tickets to the sources of islamism. Love and get slapped.

We agree on one thing. We use gasoline to extinguish fire. What YOU think though that should be done is using LESS gasoline in order to let the fire die (which is impossible due to historical strive for violent expansion for islam). I say, use MORE gasoline in order to make it not profitable for people to support terror.

Before 9/11, muslim world lived in peace and relative quiet. After 9/11 it got all "#¤# up. Before attacks on Beslan, chechens lived in de facto freedom. Now they are licking the boot of violent russians (look up the praise of Putin by Kadyrov).

At the same time, countries like Sweden were bending over to the islamists and the result was - more and more threats on these countries. Islam is a hungry pitbull that needs to be held within a cage. Otherwise it causes havoc. Feeding it and clapping it only makes it stronger and more daring.
19:20 September 11, 2011 by Lukestar1991
Yet another load of bull.
20:09 September 11, 2011 by cowboykodp
@Uncle;

Here is a novel idea. Why not putting an end to lumping all Muslims in with the actions of terrorists.

Then maybe we could work with the Muslims to defeat this "evil pitbull" of terrorism.

I am fully aware of your agenda. To demonize Islam as to help Israel. But, as evident by the vast majority of Israelis themselves, they do not share your opinion on Islam.

Only when we can work WITH the Muslims, can we defeat these terrorists. But at times one wonders if your world view is not exactly in line with these extremists. Meaning that their actions make your goals more attainable.

No terrorists and what would Uncle use as justification for his world view? Maybe being more creative in finding solutions short of another Holocaust? Naah. Too much work and brain power needed.

Come on man, grow up. We are all tired of your "opinions".
21:02 September 11, 2011 by Keith #5083
"I believe in people and I also believe in the good in them"

Nice catch-phrase.

Recognising the good in others does not begin with insults, derisory remarks about their intellectual capacity or their race, religion, colour or whether they own a smartphone or not. Or whether they agree entirely with your point of view.

Here's a catch-phrase for you:

Respect for each other.

Because I really do believe in the inherent goodness of people,I am willing to trust that Police and other public servants generally are trying their best to discharge their often very difficult duties. I do not buy into the current vogue for conspiracy theorising,especially in societies where we can throw people out every 4 years (or less) if we are not satisfied.

I am perfectly happy for those who live in a democracy but don't trust their own govs or institutions, to move to Iran, Syria, or some other similar non-democratic tyrannical place.
21:48 September 11, 2011 by PoJo
As carefully as you have read my comments, you have failed to notice that your second catchphrase was my first catchphrase. People who love their smartphones more than the next fellow are devoid of being called humans. Have you lived in Syria, sir? Or Iran? What do you know about those places, what your morning paper told you?

Please, I cannot laugh more for today, leave some bs for tomorrow.
00:51 September 12, 2011 by hugedingleberry
The western european caucasian race is endangered. .5-1.0 birth rates compared to the immigrant ethnic groups at 4.0-5.0. In 100 years we will not recognize western Europe by the faces, nor the culture, or the coming Sharia laws. It is inevitable. So why is there a necessity to be extreme and fatalistic, planning to hurt a breed that is and will continue to die on its own (this goes for extremists on both sides). I have come to accept the fate of nature so should all of you. I just hope "not to be messin with no gold digger" :)
02:07 September 12, 2011 by godnatt
@hugedingleberry

You are speaking for Western Europe.

In the US the Caucasian birth rate is 2.1. Europe it's 1.4. All of Europe's cushy social welfare will collapse when there are 2 pension/medical draining retired parents for every 1 working child in 40 years but no one seems to care. You think the Europe's finances are bad now...wait and see.

Social/economic unrest + swelling Islamic masses = Europe becomes hell on earth.

But yes, in 100 yrs. America will be the only Western country left on earth. It will be strongly Hispanic as well but they assimilate to US culture and share similar cultural values so there is little ideological friction. It's not about "race" it's about values.

America will still be America. Europe will be Yemen.
04:35 September 12, 2011 by jswede1149
Godnatt, America teeters with total financial collapse. Why is the government so worried aboutand bailing out the banks and companies like General Motors?

What happens when the bills come due? Let's look at America's financial management: trillions of dollars of debt, a post office that can not afford to pay it pensions month to month, housing market downfall that has caused the price of houses to fall to the prices of the mid 1900's and the continued lack of jobs (new American English slang "99'ers").

Yes, the dollar is still strong after Moody's downgraded America's viability. However, it is unrealistic to believe this trend can continue without severe repercussions a la a depression; MTV's new reality series "The Grapes of Wrath".

I do not think Americans are aware of how many middle easterners live in America because the country is so large and why European countries are so aware of this issue--they are smaller in comparative. What I am not sure is why terrorist attack Sweden or Norway. Sweden is a known peaceful land with some pockets of controversial here and there; extremely minor if we look at America.

I want to address the false impression you give of values in America. It continues to digress. There is such a income divide between the wealthy and poor/dwindling middle class that Americans in my opinion are more self serving than ever before. In Sweden, people can get up from their seat on the SJ with the lap top on the table and not fear it will be stolen. Wallets with large amounts of kronors are returned. What about this article? (http://www.economist.com/node/21528302). Rodney King riots? Hurricane Katrina vs Japan earth quake; look at the difference of behavior before it became very evident the government couldn't handle a disaster.

Europeans for the most part are much more cultured and value sensitive than Americans.
04:54 September 12, 2011 by ericrufinosiah
In the 80s and early 90s,there were no such news like terrorism or terrorists

related news in the Scandinavia and now not only news on terrorism or terrorists

but brutal acts of terrorism committed by terrorists in the name of religion.If the

Government and natives Swedish are still naive that these immigrants would

integrate into Swedish society,just wait patiently for the next thousand year.
06:55 September 12, 2011 by Keith #5083
#39

your ability to make assumptions about others is only bested by your inability to extend civility to others.

Seems like you have an expert knowledge of bs.

As for me, I prefer to wait until all the facts are in about this case before assuming that the Police, or anyone else other than the accused, have been plotting some great conspiracy.
08:49 September 12, 2011 by Uncle
@cowboykodp

"Here is a novel idea. Why not putting an end to lumping all Muslims in with the actions of terrorists."

Here is a brilliant approach. Why would we connect the actions of the SS to the Nazi Germany? By FAR not everyone was in the SS, so why would we be so unfair to this country's political structure and views of superiority? I mean whats the diff? The "moderate" islam allows executions of sexual minorities. "Moderate" islam propagates excuses physical extermination of the non-believers (whether by convincing or killing). "Moderate" islam OK's inequality of a female. "Moderate" islam propagates territorial expansion. It also defines the real muslims as a superior kind of people. See the parallel? Or tired of not having an argument against it?

"I am fully aware of your agenda. To demonize Islam as to help Israel. "

No, no. You got it wrong. Islam demonizes itself as the SS contributed to demonization of the Nazis. Of course I want to help Israel, as it is on the front of the western world and draws a lot of fire on itself, busying "the brothers" from exploding in the european buses in more significant amounts.

"Maybe being more creative in finding solutions short of another Holocaust?"

You see, this is the funny thing. Muslims would not oppose another Holocaust. They would actually be happy to be on the contributing side of it. Not once and not twice did the muslim leaders encourage a physical elimination of the Jews in Middle East. But, a gullible little lambs like cowboy forget about these little "misunderstandings" and blame people who opposes islam as a philosophy.

"We are all tired of your "opinions"."

Read through what I wrote and see the correct use of quotes. My opinions are my opinions. They do not become "opinions" if you disagree with them.
10:00 September 12, 2011 by cowboykodp
@Uncle;

"You see, this is the funny thing. Muslims would not oppose another Holocaust."

Oh really? Are you basing your 'Opinion" on historical facts or childish emotions?

Who saved the Jews from Iraq thousands of years ago? I will give you a clue, it is the same country who has the most number of Jews in the ME outside of Israel.

Also, who massacred the Jews by the millions? Was it the Muslims or the Europeans?

But I am sure your revisionist history mind is fast at work to answer this with more of your "OPINIONS".

I agree with most on immigration and integration issues, believe it or not. But not for the bigoted reasons you hold as truths.

Does Islam need moderation and modernization? Yes. Does bigotry, generalization and misinformation need elimination? Absolute YES.

Again, more creativity on your part and others is key. You are like a broken record.

Have a good week.
12:23 September 12, 2011 by godnatt
@jswede

I would agree with you wholeheartedly that Europe is the more pleasant place to live TODAY.

But we're talking about 50+ yrs from now.

Because Europeans are too self absorbed to bother having children, there will be a dramatic population decline and all the social welfare everyone has come to expect will be financially unsustainable when there are 2 retirees for every worker.

That combined with the fact that in 50 yrs. the continent will be demographically unrecognizable and much more densely populated by followers of a violent, authoritarian religion makes for something that has no resemblance to Europe today value wise.

America may not be perfect but it will still be consistently America. Europe will be something else entirely because everyone is too busy enjoying being more "cultured" to bother having kids.
12:57 September 12, 2011 by securityguy
@godnatt

Agreed!!! Enjoy what you have started Sweden:)
13:21 September 12, 2011 by Uncle
@cowboykodp

"Oh really? Are you basing your 'Opinion" on historical facts or childish emotions?"

Fox news. "Protester Calls for Jews to 'Go Back to the Oven' at Anti-Israel Demonstration" Jan08,2009.

http://trevorloudon.com/2009/04/hamas-calls-to-exterminate-jews/ (video)

"Stockholm Mosque Calls for Exterminating Jews" 28 Nov. 2005

http://www.adl.org/main_International_Affairs/ahmadinejad_words.htm

The above link is cool, since it quotes Ahmadinejad year by year.

Enough? Need more? I could dig out hundreds of references to denial of Holocaust, calls to exterminate, generalization of ALL Jews on government and clerical level. I could tell you the content of education program in Syria and Palestinian authority. I could give you proof where physical harm to Jews is encouraged on "moderate" level. Wanna bet? It is just there is a limit on links and you will not visit these links anyways. But I am ready to try.

"Who saved the Jews from Iraq thousands of years ago?"

Given that Islam exists only 1,4 thousands of years, it would be interesting to hear, who saved jews "thousands of years ago". Could you please give me another hint?

"Also, who massacred the Jews by the millions? Was it the Muslims or the Europeans?"

It was Europeans (not including the Iranian and trans Jordanian cooperation with the Nazis). However who calls for the physical extermination of Jews from the Middle East NOW? Is it Europeans? Hardly. If the muslims CAN'T do that (so far) does not mean that they don't WANT to. Look at the wars of Israel so far and you will see that they did their best. Especially with the bombing and rocketing of EXCLUSIVELY civilian population.

Did I "explain" my "opinion" "well", or "more" proof is "needed"?
13:59 September 12, 2011 by cowboykodp
UNCLE;

So we are then clear that Jews were exterminated (at least attempted), by non-Muslims.

Hateful people screaming at the top of their lungs, (sound familiar?) about their dislike and disapproval of a certain ethnic group does not a massacre make.

IN FACT, more death and destruction is brought upon by Jihadists to their fellow Muslims than any other group.

Jews and Israel do not need your protection. They have managed well.

Hint (even though I know that you know the answer): Talk to some Iranian Jews, some of my best friends, who long for the day to go back to their country, when this crazy regime is finally taken down.
15:12 September 12, 2011 by summo
there will come a day in the future when the current human population will consider us all idiots for even believing in any religion, we have the brains to build, create and fix, yet still worhsip and die for something that doesn't exist, that is truely madness!
15:24 September 12, 2011 by Uncle
cowboykodp

"IN FACT, more death and destruction is brought upon by Jihadists to their fellow Muslims than any other group"

That is because they prey on their SURROUNDINGS and not because they love Jews. The more muslims there is in China, Phillipines, Europe, USA, the more dangerous they become to the surrounding people.

"Jews and Israel do not need your protection. They have managed well".

I am sorry, but you use a cheap trick to divert the conversation. What I do is trying to expose similarities between Islam and Nazism as way of life. If they share a common hatred to Jews, is just one more proof point and is not related to whether israelis/jews need my protection or not. If both alligators and hyenas like to eat rabbits, the "common line of business" classifies them as carnivores and there is no connection to whether rabbits need protection or not.

"Hint (even though I know that you know the answer): Talk to some Iranian Jews,."

Hint (although I understood that you understood your error), whenever Iranians (Persians to be correct) saved Jews (from their own minister btw), what religion did they have? Mmm? A hint. Not Islam.

On the other hand, read about purification that Jews suffered at the hand of muslims under the Mongol rule in Persia (1291). The violence committed against Jews "neither tongue can utter, nor the pen write down" (Bar Hebraeus - chrisitan historian). Also read that it was forbidden to touch an "unpure" Jew and Jews could not use public baths. I am not even getting into marriage laws.

BTW, another similiarity to nazism: Jews were forced to carry markings that indicated them as Jews to the "pure" religion members in Persia. Sounds familiar?

What does this prove? It proves, dear cowboy, that you, together with your socialist friends are the ones, who cannot differ race from religion, not us - the "right wing".

I wish YOU an excellent week.
15:30 September 12, 2011 by cowboykodp
Uncle;

Its pointless talking to you. Your hate has consumed you fully.

Oh well.

Good luck.
17:16 September 12, 2011 by calebian22
Cowboy,

I don't see how my views are distorted. Islam is dangerous. Now, are there muslims that will live peacfully with those around them? Of course! However, they are not the ones causing trouble, nor are they the ones who will be in power if Europe becomes Eurabia. The silent peaceful majority never are the ones in power. Show me the liberal muslim leaders in the muslim countries of the world. There is not one country where this is a reality. Islam and freedoms for minorities don't mix when Islam is the majority. Thinking that Europe will be the exception is a distorted view in my opinion. As the saying goes, "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior." I stand conservative on the problem of Islam.

Oh by the way, I was right about the demographics, not Swedish. Big surprise.
18:37 September 12, 2011 by bcterry
" Your hate has consumed you fully."

All the posts that i have seen from Uncle, are based on documented, verifiable facts.

As far as hate goes, there is absolutely nothing wrong with hating a dictatorial, subjugating, bigoted, intolerant, fascist ideology.
19:04 September 12, 2011 by Uncle
tbcterry

Thank you.

You defined it shortly and precisely.
21:08 September 12, 2011 by godnatt
@ Uncle @bcterry

The facts will always win out in the end.

Keep fighting the good fight.
09:07 September 13, 2011 by benraph
As Golda Meir said, "There will only be peace in the Middle East when Arabs love their Children more than they hate Jews"

For all the Muslim posters who always bring up Israel as the world evil, i think you should read this from a Turkish Daily Newspaper that can supply you with real FACTS about how many Muslims Israel has killed in all its wars and Anti Terror actions and how many Muslims have been killed by fellow Muslims in the Middle East since 1948. And please remember this is a TURKISH Newspaper, NOT Israeli.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=why-golda-meir-was-right-2011-08-23
13:36 September 13, 2011 by Keith #5083
#benraph

That is one of the most interesting factual articles I have ever seen.
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