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Sweden terror suspects tied to Islamists: report

Sweden terror suspects tied to Islamists: report

Published: 12 Sep 2011 11:49 GMT+02:00
Updated: 12 Sep 2011 13:55 GMT+02:00

Neither Sweden's Security Service (Säpo) nor the police have confirmed the report, and have released few details about the arrests.

"Police suspect the men were about to carry out a terrorist attack with firearms and bombs," Gothenburg regional daily GT said in its online edition.

"Police sources have told GT the suspects are linked to the terror network al-Shabaab," the paper said, without disclosing its sources.

According to the TT news agency, the four suspects are all male between the ages of 23- and 26-years-old and are residents of Gothenburg.

Three of the men are born in Africa and the fourth in the Middle East, it said. The man born in the Middle East and two of the Africa-born men are Swedish citizens while another holds a Swedish residency permit, it added.

Swedish intelligence agency Säpo issued a short statement on Monday saying all information concerning the ongoing investigation was classified.

"Säpo's assessment is that there is no cause for widespread concern nor any reason to introduce tighter security measures," it said.

An elite counter-terrorism unit and police arrested four people in Gothenburg, Sweden's second city, and evacuated hundreds of people from a building in the city hosting an art fair "after concluding that there was a threat that could endanger lives or health or cause serious damage," officials said Sunday.

Police then searched the building thoroughly, breaking open seven lockers, the paper said.

It is not known why the venue was seen as a target, and art fair organisers have not been given an explanation, GT said.

The paper speculated that a Swedish artist who has received death threats from al-Shabaab for depicting the Prophet Muhammad as a dog had planned to attend the event but did not in the end.

"I will myself with great interest attend the event," Vilks wrote on his blog last week.

In an interview with the local Göteborgs-Posten daily he explained that he never intended to attend Saturday's inauguration, but didn't rule out that he was perhaps the intended target.

"If it is Islamists, which it seems to be, nothing is impossible," he said.

Lars Vilks has faced numerous death threats and a suspected assassination plot since his drawing of the Muslim prophet with the body of a dog was first published by a Swedish regional newspaper in 2007, illustrating an editorial on the importance of freedom of expression.

Gothenburg city officials and others have criticised Säpo for neglecting to inform the city about the planned raid, and for being so tight-lipped following the arrests.

“We would have liked to have gotten the information directly from Säpo, and not through the media,” city director Åke Jacobsson told the TT news agency.

Officials from Gothenburg and Säpo met on Monday morning to discuss the threats and ensuing arrests.

But Säpo was still refusing to offer any further details other than that four people were arrested in Gothenburg on Saturday evening.

“I can't go into any other details because of the confidentiality of the preliminary investigation,” Säpo spokesperson Michael Gunnarsson told TT.

Prosecutor Agnetha Hilding Qvarnström also refused to shed any light on the case.

Wilhelm Agrell, a professor on intelligence analysis, also made note of what he called a “total [media] blackout” on the part of Säpo regarding the case.

“Even if we've had blackouts in other terrorist cases, this one seems to go very far,” he said.

“Terror investigations can be very sensitive. You want to avoid every detail that can have a negative effect on the investigation and it can be hard to know ahead of time what sort of information has that character,” Agrell told TT.

Al-Shabaab is an al-Qaeda-linked militia has waged a years-long insurgency against Somalia's weak, western-backed transitional government and controls much of the south and centre of the Horn of Africa country.

"Wherever you are, if not today or tomorrow, know that we haven't yet forgotten about you," a Swedish al-Shabaabmember, Abu Zaid, said in a video, according to US monitoring group SITE.

TT/AFP/The Local (news@thelocal.se)

Your comments about this article

12:17 September 12, 2011 by Svensksmith
There you go, Vilks serves a useful purpose as a lightning rod.
12:20 September 12, 2011 by securityguy
Good work sapo!!!
12:28 September 12, 2011 by Tysknaden
"Religion_of_peace".

NOT

"Religion_of_pieces".

All those stupid misunderstandings!
13:06 September 12, 2011 by Kevin Harris
Svensksmith has a point.

Vilks makes a very tasty bait in the trap. All SÄPO has to do is pay attention to those who show an interest in him, such as reading his blog, and they jump right into the net.

Last year, SÄPO picked up a couple of young men trying to burn down Vilks' house (with his young grandaughter inside). They set themselves on fire instead. Shame that! That's two terrorist types less to worry about.

Carry on Lars, if you didn't already exist, SÄPO would have to invent you.
13:30 September 12, 2011 by Twiceshy
Racist SAPO arrest people without proof. Al-Shabab is not terrorist movement than movement which is not good for corporation interests of EU/USA. One day they will say that terrorists are all people who say something against government.
13:44 September 12, 2011 by Iraniboy
These infromation doesn't really help us to know more. We need to know what evidences have been provided to arrest them! Is it an unknown woman calling from unknown place who reported these guys (like the other day) or if Säpo has got the information from an intelligence work.

@Tyskanden & co

Some British were arrested for having 5 men as slave for 15 years the other day. There are a lot of such horrific incidents yet nobody question their background. This is a sickness called racism, Xenophobia that when someone among us do something we find it personal but when someone from other countries, races, backgrounds do it we find all of them responsible!
14:13 September 12, 2011 by Tysknaden
@Iraniboy: Forget about those British scumbags. They did not act in the name of religion. So we don't have to speak about Sudan.

You should stop wearing your kryptonite helmet all the day; - otherwise you'll never become "Iraniman". ( By the way: Let's forget about the murderous terrorregime in Iran, too.)

Have a nice day.
15:29 September 12, 2011 by truthworthy
I think we have seen this movie before. It was just last year when 2 Somalis were arrested one in Stockholm and another in Göteborg for the same thing and just after few months they were freed because of no proof.

I am not buying this bullsh&t anymore. Instead of wasting our precious resources on this lies and protecting this pig called Vilks. We should focus more on the needy people.
15:32 September 12, 2011 by rafa1981
When they release them because lack of evidence let's count how many articles we'll see in thelocal, the arrest is giving two articles a day or more, and it is even published internationally.

Come it was 911, every year is the same, media spreading the fear.
16:14 September 12, 2011 by RobinHood
Sad to see poor Trustworthy doing his best to attract the attention of SÄPO. Don't forget to pack a toothbrush Trustworthy. We'll miss you.
16:20 September 12, 2011 by big5
Even if they are released for lack of evidence, that doesn't make them innocent.

SÄPO has an obligation to protect the public safety by intervening at an early stage in a terrorist plot. This goal is _at odds with_ the long-term collection of evidence necessary to secure a conviction. You can't wait till they blow up the bomb, even if that would give you all the proof you need to lock them up and throw away the key.

So all this whining from the left about "they were innocent, they couldn't be convicted" is misled.
17:22 September 12, 2011 by calebian22
Twiceshy,

Al Shababa dingdongs are terrorists. Cockroachs are higher on the evolutionary scale.
18:07 September 12, 2011 by swedejane
Even if they arrested these guys with bombs strapped to themselves the swedish police will no doubt let them go with a slap on the wrist and a wag of their finger...just like they do all the criminals in Backa who shoot people and burn cars.
19:22 September 12, 2011 by Uncle
Twiceshy

"Racist SAPO arrest people without proof. Al-Shabab is not terrorist movement.."

Full name "Mujahideen Youth Movement". It describes itself as waging jihad against "enemies of Islam"

2010

January 2: A man linked to al-Shabaab tried to kill Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard

February 1: al-Shabaab declares for the first time that it maintains strong ties with al-Qaeda.

February 15: an al-Shabab suicide car bomber attempted to assassinate Somalia's state minister for defence, Yusuf Mohamed Siyad

March 26: al-Shabaab claimed responsibility for a roadside bomb that exploded in Mogadishu killing a Somali government official

March 27: al-Shabaab destroys grave sites of foreign soldiers and a prominent Sufi scholar

July 11: Al-Shabaab claims responsibility for the July 2010 Kampala attacks, which killed 74 people

October 28: Al-Shabaab publicly executed two teenage girls, by firing squad, on charges of spying.

2009

June 18—Al-Shabaab claimed the 2009 Beledweyne bombing

September 17: The group claims a second bombing of an AU base, which kills 17 peacekeepers.

September 20—Harakat al-Shabaab al-Mujahideen released a 48-minute video, "Labayka Ya Usama," ("Here I am at Your Service, Usama")

October 15—Al-Shabaab began publicly whipping women for wearing bras that they claim violate Islam as they are deceptive.

November 1—Al-Shabaab announced the establishment of Al Quds Brigade, a military unit specifically tasked with attacking Israel and Jewish interests in Africa.

No, Al Shabab are not terrorist organisation. They are a charity organization of nuns and lovely elderly who only want to express an opinion.

Twiceshy, how does it feel to sit here and join to the bunch of liars and justificators of muslim fascism?
20:06 September 12, 2011 by Tysknaden
@Iraniboy: The slavers in GB have been Gipsies, Travellers.
20:45 September 12, 2011 by Just_Kidding
Sweden is getting a large number of immigrants from Somalia, and many of them are fleeing Al-Shabab, but few of them could also be Al-Shabab operatives.

It is sad that not many people or countries care about removing this cancer from the horn of Africa. I wish the money and manpower spent on killing Osama was spent on removing Al-shabab from Africa.

Iranian Atheist
20:55 September 12, 2011 by godnatt
LoL. Our muslim friends at the Local... never met a terrorist they didn't like.

I'm sure it's just more racism or Israeli agents. Couldn't possibly Islamic terrorists could it?

Hopefully you are all on a list at Sapo. They appear to be on their game there.
21:11 September 12, 2011 by Querist
Question: What are the names of the four men arrested for suspicion of plotting terrorist acts in Gothenburg?

Answer: A court named them as Kulan Mohamud Abel, Mahamud Abdi Aziz, Mahmood Salar Sami and Mohamud Abdi Weli, and tax authorities confirmed their nationalities.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/09/12/sweden.arrests/

.
22:42 September 12, 2011 by Iraniboy
@Tysknaden & co(XYZ-phobics)

So any murder or wrongdoing that is done without the name of religion is ok but it's wrong when it has a name of religon, Somalia or a black man? This is the problem of our world today from Iran to the US! We criminize people based on what they believe or look like and not what they do! So sad that we have tried this method many times and it has always failed!
23:01 September 12, 2011 by tercel
"When you invite a venomous serpent into your hogan don't be surprised when it bites and kills you."

Old Navajo saying
23:24 September 12, 2011 by Tysknaden
@Iraniboy: Did you run into an appletree?
23:31 September 12, 2011 by Uncle
iraniboy

"So any murder or wrongdoing that is done without the name of religion is ok but it's wrong when it has a name of religon, Somalia or a black man?"

No, you see what the problem is? It doesn't matter what happens in the western world, it will be the WEST who will criticize, investigate, punish, get involved, get on the streets etc.

After Breivik, thousands came out and condemned him. Nobody (except psychos) wants to be like him. Nobody normal searches for the excuse for him in "others who are guilty".

Colonialism is condemned PRIMARILY by the west. Nazi criminals were tried by the west. Crusaders have a very negative outlook in the western society. Slavery is condemned.

The west makes errors, but corrects itself and admits it's own errors.

Muslims, however ALWAYS take the side of muslims. I remember the muslim squad here defending muslims in China, although I bet that the situation there is unclear to anyone.

I remember muslims explaining the Stockholm bomber actions through OTHER people evil actions. You personally DIRECTLY jump to a defense of arrested people, because you KNOW that they are muslims.

There is no condemnation of suicide, cutting off heads, exploding in markets as a rule in a muslim society. I have not heard one muslim here condemning the muslim invasion into Europe , but tens times I heard whining about crusaders, who invaded muslim lands way AFTER muslim attack. Not one condemned CURRENT slave trade in Sudan.

Al Shabab is famous even among the extremists as especially cruel and violent organization. This organization even had few high ranking officers defecting because of unjust and sophisticated violence that it promotes. And yet, muslims are traditionally singing the songs of "racism" and "unfairness".

Are there non-muslim organizations in Africa that behave in similar way? Sure. They operate in Sierra Leone, Liberia, Chad, Niger... but nobody here would jump to defend the "poor little africans" if RUF militants would be arrested.

There are no moderate muslims. There is no difference in Islam. It is one, solid, united, violent, well versed and what is more important - stealthy. Muslims LOVE to speak about freedom, love to the other, equality and peace, while at the same time introducing none, whether historically, or contemporary.
23:58 September 12, 2011 by Tysknaden
@Uncle: Thanks for your comment. I am too tired of "Iraniboy" to invest time in his secretions. Your comment is a good one. But I do not agree with the last few lines. I my life, I did meet a lot of moderate muslims, who do not sympatisize with fanaticismn and terror. Educated, civilized people. Some of them have been very unhappy of our tendency to import criminals. But none of them came as a refugee. Mayby that's the difference.
00:04 September 13, 2011 by mkvgtired
Iraniboy

"We criminize people based on what they believe or look like and not what they do!"

No, Sweden arrested people planning to blow themselves up. This has nothing to do with how they look. Look at the shoe bomber, he was white, and he tried killing hundreds of people in the name of religion. He was arrested because of his actions. Unfortunately it seems like most of the people being arrested with plans to maim and kill as many innocent people as possible tend to believe the same thing. You always jump to the defense of terrorists.
00:51 September 13, 2011 by Svensksmith
Birds of a feather, flock together.
01:53 September 13, 2011 by hughknows
They seem to have 'criminalised' these people because they seem to have plotted to murder a cartoonist and possibly a bunch of people who happened to be around him at the time. They may have royally screwed up the operation and decide to release them, maybe they're even innocent, but that seems to have been the intention in arresting them. As for the traveller site in Britain - what a ridiculous comparison - first of all travellers are a persecuted minority in the first place, with many stereotypes, and they exist WITHIN British society (and elsewhere). I know English folks who would be just as likely to be unsurprised at the horrific finds at that traveller site as at 4 men known by various spellings of the name of a certain prophet of a certain religion to have been arrested for plotting terrorism. Discrimination isn't only against Muslim and dark-skinned people, though these two groups certainly have a major share of it.

These stereotypes about any group are generalisations which are always going to be unfair. No reason to make excuses for actual wrongdoers however! I'm intrigued by the difference between the guys arrested here and the travellers in England to a further extent... These guys were of course foreign born, and if they have been arrested for what has been suggested - foreign terrorist links and plots, then they are thus enemies of the state with an agenda. A state should look out for its people, stop its own citizens committing harmful crimes, and most certainly stop calculated threats from abroad. The fact these men, if guilty, were recent Swedish citizens/residents would become a technicality under the circumstances.
13:00 September 13, 2011 by local-aam
The statement "Al-Shabaab is an al-Qaeda-linked militia" makes this whole thing into a big question. Al-Qaeda is nothing but an illusion created by USA to invade countries in the name of terrorism. Watch "Fahrenheit 9/11" a documentary by Michael Moor to know more about AL-Qaeda.

However, if these guys really had an intention to do something bad, I would strongly say ISLAM has no relationship with the Terrorism. I can bet such people never read Quran and Hadith with good care and just learn it from the bad people who use religion as a tool for their own business. We need to properly educate these people how Islam really is which is the best way to minimize such probable events.

On the other hand, I strongly believe, freedom of speech does not mean to hurt others, defame someone with evil intention or incur bad image on someone with lies and without concrete proofs. The question is if it is ethical to hurt people with whatever someone likes. In general, the Muslims love their prophet and they really do more than their own lives. I simply don't understand why the west hurt the Muslims by lying about their prophet over and over again. It is so easy to exploit some ignorant Muslims towards attacking those who defame their dearest prophet which is not the right way and should be stopped. However, neither the west try to find a middle way solution to these issues nor the educated Muslims try to educate the ignorant Muslims how to intellectually fight for their dignity without being destructive.
13:20 September 13, 2011 by godnatt
@ local-aam

Are you still trying to sell that old "Islam mean peace" pitch?

I'm afraid the violent life of your beloved "prophet" contradicts everything you've said.

Terrorists aren't "uneducated" about Islam.

They are simply following the Sunnah in full and not choosing to ignore the violent parts because they feel like being nice.
13:24 September 13, 2011 by Uncle
@tysknaden

No you, see, I totally agree with you. Islamists are infiltrating the normal countries surrounded by muslim hostages who are so brainwashed, that they are jumping for the aggressor's defense as soon as they hear criticism. This is a mass Stockholm syndrome. They RUN away from what islam did with their countries, while DEFENDING the islamists.

This is another similarity with the Nazi Germany. It is clear that not all members of the Nazi party pulled nails off women hands. It is obvious that not 100% of Hitlerjugend knew about the Final Solution decision. But statistically majority of Germans believed that:

1) Germany is a good guy and offers the dark world higher morals and better social arrangement

2) Germany is bound to win the war (even when shells were falling on Berlin) and to defend their leadership

3) Germany is cleansing the world from dirt like Jews, Gypsies, mentally challenged and Homosexuals. It never kills people. The mentioned above are not people by definition.

In order to "convince" the Germans in their errors, there was no choice, but to shatter their government, supply lines, army, political organizations and propaganda machine.

What I would like to achieve with my verbal attacks on the muslim ideology, is to make some think about all of the above. I would like to be the stick in their propaganda machine wheel. I would like the muslims, who defend islamists to try and wake up from their lethargy of acceptance. I would like this Middle Ages mentality to start looking with critical eye on what is going on with THEM, rather than sitting and blaming everyone else in the atrocities that their own religion members commit.

I would also like to start writing shorter comments :) I bore myself here.
13:38 September 13, 2011 by Dave N
Uncle - You are wasting your time. Muslims will never believe that Mohammad was anything but the "Perfect Man."

You can point out his many, many vile and horrific faults from their very own scriptures and they will make excuse after excuse. It's always the same old story - "unauthenic Hadith," "taken out of context," "bad translation" "you have to read it in Arabic" or "That was normal behaviour then."

The problem is that in their hearts they must know that Islam is what we say it is - intolerant and violent. That is why they so quickly turn to intolerance and violence when challenged - because they cannot win an argument.
16:08 September 13, 2011 by local-aam
@godnatt:

Indeed Islam is Peace. Ask any converted Islam who entered Islam by reading and learning not the one who inherited it from the parents and knows nothing about it or know it wrongly. Ask those converted westerners how does it feels to carry Islam in the heart. How astonishing and calming it is to get followed by the teachings of God almightly and Prophet Muhammad. If Islam is not peaceful then why people being at the very core western society are accepting Islam even if they know that people would blame them being terrorists and backdated. Islam has enlightened me. Teach me morality, tolerance, honesty, ethics and patience. How many of you can swear that you won't take a single coin if you are all alone in a banks vault and no one is seeing you. I can do which Islam taught me.

@Dave N:

Yes, Muhammad is the most perfect person ever born on this earth. But humans are not perfect. Only god is perfect. We believe in a God who is Perfect and beyond every narrowed human characteristics.

Try to read this book "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History" by Michael H. Hart to learn about Muhammad from a non-muslim.

The best thing about Islam is that we have our original Scripture the Quran untouched/unmodified as it came from the God and also the teachings of the Prophet in a good scale ranging from Authentic to Unauthentic. Muslims scholars have identified which teachings of the prophet are according to the behavior, root a lot more criteria of the narrators who described them after prophet's death. These things are quite clear in Islam which are Authentic and which are not. Now, you can not blame Islam if someone use unauthentic teachings and bring misery to the society. Besides, I have seen many non-muslims to use verses from the Quran without context or not looking at the preceding and following verses to give a false impression. Some people do these things intentionally and others just copy paste them. I talked to many people who are so confident that Islam is a religion of devils but in fact they never studied Islam from the authentic Islamic sources.

Unfortunately some people also call Jesus a devil and show their own arguments.
16:46 September 13, 2011 by motti
ISLAM = SUBMISSION. not peace. Islam is the most nefarious war and slaughter minded religion ever. Islam allows and encourages Moslems to lie and defame, to the advantage of Islam. We are not all ignorant of Islamic aims.

I have just returned from a wonderful week's holiday in Israel. I drove from Afula in the Jezreel valley to the Ein bokek at the Dead Sea (what an amazing place that is). I passed many large and small Moslemn towns and villages, including Bedouin settlements. It is amazing how the Moslems can build build such handsome villas , that turn into huge 4 level complexes. The Arabs do not pay taxes, nor do they need to serve in thearmy. Some claim to be Palestinian and some claim they are rightfully Israeli.

When the arab takes a second wife, he needs a second floor to his house for that wife and children, the third floor for the third wife and of course, some have 4 floors for the 4th wife and children.

In Tel Aviv, I saw unmolested Arabs walking around, unlike Jews who are not welcomed in Arab towns. At the airport, I sat next to an Arab family, they too, were waiting for their flight. Apartheid state? really? The only apartheid is when Jews are denied entry into Arab, particularly Muslim areas.

local aam. Most of western laws and pracrices are based on the Torah, the 5 books of Moses. That does not make the west Jewish, does it?
17:02 September 13, 2011 by mkvgtired
@local-aam,

You mean the peaceful Muslim converts that have shot up a Little Rock Army Recruiting center, the attempted synagogue bombings in NYC by 4 converts, the shoe bomber, the cell of converts in LA planning to blow up Jewish and government targets, or the Virginia cell that trained in Pakistan with the Mumbai attackers, and wanted to carry out similar attacks. The list keeps going.
17:14 September 13, 2011 by local-aam
@motti

Shame on you for lying about Islam. Islam never teach lying. In fact, lying is amongst the most worst work and stated as the "biggest sin".

The word Islam has its root in the word Salam which means Peace. On the other hand the meaning Submission or "Submission to one god" is the theme of Islam as well as a meaning to the word in Arabic. So both Peace and Submission are taken as meaning of Islam.

Islam continues on the same path of the prophet Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Muslims also believes the true Jewish and Christian religion were also 'Submission to God". But people have altered/changed the true meanings of those religions and what exists available today is not the truth. The question that you asked to me doesn't make any sense.

You have visited Israel. Great! So why don't you telling the real stories there. Or you don't want to tell because you have not seen anything. Because you are blind and liar. Palestine is shaded with muslims blood will someday get its identity and someday people on this earth will take the Zionist under the war crime tribunal for their treachery and killing, suppressing the Palestinians.

Have not you heard the recent news that that the Zionists have declared to root up those 30000 Arab Bedouins from their land.
18:11 September 13, 2011 by Uncle
Dave N

"Uncle - You are wasting your time."

Dave, mate, what do you want me to do? Just to sit quietly, while these nazi morons like the one above to bang on about love and peace, while defending people who burn women alive?

Look at his arguments "If Islam is not peaceful then why people being at the very core western society are accepting Islam.." I mean how is this even an argument?

"If Genghis Chan was not peaceful little lamb, how come hundreds of thousands joined his army?" "If Hitler did not wish peace on earth, how come nazism spread like lightning in Germany?"

Or this one: "Yes, Muhammad is the most perfect person ever born on this earth" I am sure his 9 y/o wife had some second thoughts about that. Or his victims in Mecca...

Or this one: "Zionists have declared to root up those 30000 Arab Bedouins from their land."

Collectively, muslims killed about 8-10 million people on this earth in the past 30 years. I proved it not once. Look at this brainwashed lamb that was not told that them bedouins get apartments for free. And it was not THEIR land, since this idiot did not hear that they are nomads.

He does not care about the Kurds, about christians in Egypt or Sudan. He is not excited about the fact that in 2 months Asad reached the same amount of killed as palestinians in both intifadas in Israel. He does not remember Somalia, Lybia, Iran Iraq war, Iraq invasion into Kuwait, palestinians in Lebanon, Kenya, Phillipines, Mumbai, Yemenese wars, Darfur, Chad.

What he hates is them zionists. He is consumed with hatred. He is not even blushing when he comes to a discussion about arrested MUSLIMS and blame Jews of anything.

Should I be quiet? I cannot convince this invalid, but at least I can highlight the mmm "inconsistencies" of his claims to others.
18:59 September 13, 2011 by local-aam
@Uncle:

There is no concrete proof against Islam that it is evil. Read the history of the Prophet Muhammad who pardoned every single inhabitants of Mecca who drove him out for spreading Islam and tortured the prophet and his followers for 13 years. You are also lying about the prophet's wife too. Aisha was amongst the most respected woman in Islam who described a lot of Hadith (teaching of Muhammad). All that we can learn from her is that Muhammad was such a good person, husband, father and human. I am sure Moses never taught you to lie, it's your own fault so I would never blame Torah for what ever you are doing.

I would request everybody to watch the documentary "THE ZIONIST STORY" by an ex Israeli Soldier Ronen Berelovich. Search on youtube with the title.

Alas! the Muslims should only be killed, suppressed and tortured but can't even say anything about it.

Zionists are selling the holocast over the years but what they are doing with the Palestinians are much more worse than the holocast? How could these people forget how bad it feels when suppressed?
19:56 September 13, 2011 by Uncle
You see local-aam... It is not even interesting to argue with you. You are using such an amount of denied arguments that it feels like falling asleep when trying to convince you.

Mohammads wife was 9. NINE. NINE years old, you perv. He got married when she was 6, but he could DO HER when she was 9 y/o.

Mohammad pardoned Mecca after Siege of Medina and before conquest of arabia. Thousands died at the hand of "the most wonderful person".

All the muslims killed MILLIONS during the existence of Israel that killed 6 thousand and lost 2 thousand people. They killed MILLIONS of people. Countable. War by war. Not a problem to prove and I will not even bother. Every muslim land is in some sort of conflict. Muslim methods range from bombing to artificial starvation of regions of their own countries. Kurds dream to be in the situation of palestinians. People are running from Darfur into Israel, since they prefer to be arrested as illegal immigrants than to taste of more muslim blessings.

There is no production on industrial level from islamic countries. Nothing is invented, but tools of war. 50% of you population is in a slave state, without rights of ownership, education, defense against rape and violence of their own husband or father. They are stoned to death for going to the street by themselves. Your honour killings are as common as rain in Sweden.

Some muslim countries actually assist slave trafficking. Your prisons are classified as the most horrific in the world. AND you have a legalized torture.

Your education is at the bottom, as not even one university from a muslim land is in a first 200 rating (we are talking about 1.5 billion people).

Every muslim minority is in conflict with the majority. Every muslim majority is in conflict with the minorities. Muslim lands cause emigration of MILLIONS. Muslim lands that have no dhimmis are killing whether shia or sunnis.

None of your countries reached a real industrial revolution, rennaissance or democracy.

Someone posted here a year ago an excellent statistic of direct connection between the percentage of muslims in the country and acts of violence in that country. It would be good to keep these statistics for future reference.

and you are worried about little palestinians? I understand... Nazis were also very VERY upset about the situation of the germanic population in Russia, while having concentration camps filled to the top.

You like youtube? Go there and write "Pallywood". See what happens.

I am not even arguing, but just writing the opinion as it is, since I know that you will tell me about the blessings of Mohammad upon his conquered people and how muslim coutries are in trouble because of someone else, rather than because muslims are still in the bronze age. Oh, yeah and the constant effort to divert the attention to the evil Jews, in order to avoid talking about qualities of Al Shabab.
22:01 September 13, 2011 by godnatt
@ Uncle

I think you are forgetting that you are arguing with a religious Muslim who's ability to reason has been stunted by a lifetime of anti-intellectualism, pseudo-logic and willful ignorance.

You'd have a more rational argument with a ten yr old.

Our ability to use reason, utilize facts and argue rationally are some the many "depraved" things they hate about us.
07:49 September 14, 2011 by local-aam
@Uncle, godnatt:

You have bring too many things too answer in a short time. But I will come back with answers to them. Wait until then. You people are continuously lying or have learned wrong things about Islam.
09:03 September 14, 2011 by Uncle
godnatt

You are right. It feels a bit like trying to triumph over a challenged person. A bit uncomfortable and dirty. However, I just cannot resist, but to watch him trying to explain that the muslim world is nothing, but good (as a contrary to what Jews and the crusaders are offereing). The issue here is that it is obvious that I cannot win the argument, so I can eject myself the moment I am really bored.

local-aam

You are even not hearing what is going on here. I am telling you about how you implement islam in your countries and communities and you are going to dig some positive stuff from the Koran (which must be really hard, eh?). What does it even matter what Allah said, or Mohammad did, if all 1,5 billion muslims look the way the look economically, socially and politically?

On a contrary, it makes YOU people look like you took the word of God and created the following situation:

1.You interpret the word of God himself in different ways, by that suggesting that God - your Lord is unclear in his instructions and cannot explain himself. This is a blasphemy for which y'all should punish yourself.

2.You understand the Lord almighty correctly and the Allah is clear and actually would like you to turn the world into middle ages, war eaten, torture infected, unequal, corrupted, non-democratic, starving bucket with feces the way Middle East, North Africa and muslim regions of asia are (except when you can take oil from the ground without much effort) In that case you shall all start saying it like this and not hide behind the Jews like an elephant behind a mouse.

Which one is that? Why do you think that any of the above options are great?

hope it is not too much to answer. I would not like you to get all stressed and suicidal.
13:42 September 14, 2011 by Gamla Hälsingebock
Something is wrong here!

late last night...I am in the USA, The Local reported the names of the suspects.

And I posted about naming suspects, which I hadn't seen here before.

Now as I check for comments on my post I find it GONE, and the names have been removed from the article.

What the hell is going on!

Is 1984 here already? And why is The Local leading the way?

We don't want "Big Brother" here!
15:38 September 14, 2011 by benraph
@ Local aam,

Read from your own(a Turkish Newspaper weather it is the Zion ists or Your brothers that are killing your own people)

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=why-golda-meir-was-right-2011-08-23

And Please remember this is a TURKISH newspaper not Israeli.
16:15 September 14, 2011 by Uncle
Brilliant, benraph.

Previously I included also african muslims. This bunch of peace religion members loves to bath in blood even more than the Middle Eastern ones. Only in Sudan muslims killed more than the mentioned 1,65 Million killed in Middle East.

Throw in Sudan-Egypt, Libya, Algier, Chad and Somalia, the numbers will look even worse for the "Israel is bloodthirsty, while Islam brings nothing, but peace" theory.

And he didn't even mention all the maimed, starved and homeless.
16:23 September 14, 2011 by Querist
.

"A court named them as Kulan Mohamud Abel, Mahamud Abdi Aziz, Mahmood Salar Sami and Mohamud Abdi Weli, and tax authorities confirmed their nationalities."

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/09/12/sweden.arrests/

.
01:19 September 15, 2011 by godnatt
@ Uncle

Why do I think @local-aam's brilliant counter-thesis isn't coming?

Or maybe he needs to check the official infidel propagada manual first, perhaps.
09:22 September 15, 2011 by Uncle
godnatt

He is probably waiting until Allah will strike us. Or maybe he was arrested with suspicions to Al Qaida connections, haha. But don't they have computers in Swedish prisons?
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