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Åkesson slams multi-faith Riksdag service

Åkesson slams multi-faith Riksdag service

Published: 15 Sep 2011 13:46 GMT+02:00
Updated: 15 Sep 2011 13:46 GMT+02:00

"We consider this to be a political statement, that Sweden is a multicultural society," Sweden Democrat press secretary Martin Kinnunen told The Local on Thursday.

The church service, to be held in Stockholm Cathedral at 3pm, will be led by the dean Åke Bonnier with Växjö bishop Jon-Olof Johansson, rabbi David Lazar and imam Othman Al Tawalbeh in attendance.

Sweden Democrat leader Jimmie Åkesson has responded to the multi-faith make up of the service and outlined his objections in an opinion article published in the Svenska Dagbladet daily on Wednesday.

"It is Christianity and its values ​​that form the basis on which our society rests, although this seems to be difficult for many to accept," Åkesson wrote.

Åkesson continued to underline however that he considered the service to be an important part of the ceremonies leading up to the opening of the parliament by King Carl XVI Gustaf later in the day.

"The ceremony is for me an important manifestation of our shared heritage, the thoughts and beliefs that have built our country."

The Sweden Democrats grabbed the headlines at last year's ecumenical service when they stormed out when bishop Eva Brunne argued that xenophobia and racism "is not worthy of a democracy like ours".

But despite the Sweden Democrats objections to this year's service, Jimmie Åkesson plans to attend. Party colleague Erik Almqvist has however decided to boycott the occasion.

"There is no requirement from the party's side for MPs to attend. The decision is left up to them," Martin Kinnunen told The Local.

This is not the first time that the traditional Riksdag opening service has been multi-faith with the practice first observed in 2007 and then repeated in 2009.

Peter Vinthagen Simpson (news@thelocal.se)

Your comments about this article

14:24 September 15, 2011 by ?????
"It is Christianity and its values ​​that form the basis on which our society rests"

...Like "Love Thy Neighbour"...which I'm sure mr Åkesson follows faithfully...

Oh, and the original Swedish religion was "Asatru" I think....
14:30 September 15, 2011 by redcrown
small things get changed little by little if people do not speak up, one day you realise you are the foreigher in your own country.
14:52 September 15, 2011 by grymagnusson
Åkesson has always been a stranger in this country.
14:52 September 15, 2011 by Addendum
The earliest manifestations of eyeglasses date to around 4BC Rome. Thus eyeglasses are pre-Christian and non-Swedish. No one in the Riksdag should wear eyeglasses.
15:05 September 15, 2011 by nibbler
Does this not remain a Christian ceremony despite two different faiths being in attendance? You can still be a strong christian country and maintain your cultural pride and heritage and include other nationalities in the service.

Åkesson is just trying to distract from the message Dean Åke Bonnier is trying to communicate.
15:21 September 15, 2011 by Tysknaden
But the woman on his side looks sweet :-)
15:27 September 15, 2011 by Selor
Who cares about religion. Let it fall...let it fall...
16:04 September 15, 2011 by space2
I thought in Sweden the religion is seprate from the state/government... but it seems it isn't... This IMHO is very strange, especially in one of the most-atheist countries in the world!
16:09 September 15, 2011 by zooeden
I really didn`t think what kind of ignorant bloke he is!!! It makes sense when you dress like a lollypop!
16:13 September 15, 2011 by bijbab
I think the riksdag should ban use of the numeric system. They are definitely non-Swedish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu-Arabic_numeral_system
16:14 September 15, 2011 by Scansson
What happened to the "Multi-Culture" thing?

Can't your cake and eat it too : )
16:17 September 15, 2011 by truthgate777
This Guy is giving bad image for Sweden.
16:18 September 15, 2011 by grymagnusson
this guy is giving a bad image of himself
16:19 September 15, 2011 by Roffe
Comment removed by The Local for breach of our terms.
16:48 September 15, 2011 by Kibitz
First of all Sweden is Not a Multicultural society. This is all so clear from the popular threads on this very website.

And last, this topic is just hilarious being that 95% of the swedes are atheist. So I really don't understand the arguement. I have yet to meet a swede that will identity themselves as a christian or any other faith for that matter.
17:00 September 15, 2011 by cowboykodp
"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion"

George Washington

Most normal DEMOCRACIES, in fact.

On a side note:

"First they came for the......" You all know the quote.

What happened, I thought they only hate Muslims. OR????
17:04 September 15, 2011 by Åskar
@Tysknaden

"Like a gold ring in a pig's snout is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion."

Proverbs 11:22
17:16 September 15, 2011 by Nemesis
Sweden was mostly founded on wholesale slaughter, invading neighbours, genocide, colonialisation, slave trading, mindless violence and aristocratic thugs beating half the population senseless on a regular basis.

Then christianity arrived and made everything significantly worse by adding faith and imperialism to the mixture, leading Sweden invading everyone it could safely reach, burning cities with most of there population in them in Poland, Slovakia, Czech republic, Germany, Denmark, estonia, Lithunania, Finland, Latvia, Norway, Belorussia, Russia and Ukraine on occassion. That was until Sweden was defeated in the Napoleonic wars.

In plain language, Sweden was founded in the same manner as the majority of other contries in Europe.

Jimmie Åkesson really needs to buy a history book and actually read it. That is, assuming he can actually read. I wonder if Swedish History for complete and utter imbecilies has been written, whihc would suit him nicely.
18:17 September 15, 2011 by Frank Arbach
Nationalist/far right politicians have always been keen on stunts: whether its Jimmie Åkesson, (looking a total tw@t in this photo) or, a few years ago, UK BNP leader Nick Griffin appearing on a TV programme wearing a gag, supposedly denoting 'censorship'.

If, as stated, multi-faith services have been held in previous years, why is it such a big deal for Jimmie Åkesson now?
18:25 September 15, 2011 by Selor
speedmail, Go eat and drink your jesus you cannibal christian. For love, right? Shiz why are people so dumb that they can't see their own flaws. Sick. Keep spending money on your wishful thinking and let the people who actually suffer perish by your twisted thoughts.
18:29 September 15, 2011 by Shawntooth
a classic SD argument, preserving our cultural heritage......if a heritage only gives you right to segregate and hate others who are different, prevents you from love and integrate, then it most probably won't last anyways, and this goes to any religion......honestly i don't think it's christianity that made sweden an open, free, democratic state at all.....
19:15 September 15, 2011 by jostein
Well, reading the local regularly i have come to realize that not even the supposed benevolent immigrants from the anglo world wish us swedes well.
19:25 September 15, 2011 by jacquelinee
@ Åkesson

Heck you should be thrilled that they attend the Swedish Riksdag Service. If they are observing Swedish holidays, then Swedes can observe theirs! WOW! We know how much Swedish people love their holidays and they are always trying to figure out how to get a holiday Monday to start on Thursday night instead of Friday night . Heck trying to extend a fifteen minute Fika into a half hour, hour breaks into hour and a half breaks, quitting time to start 1 hour early, and findinf other ways to take a holiday is a Swedish fine art. But it takes so much THOUGHT. This is perfect!

Now you can ask for time off when their are the Jewish holidays:

Shavuot

NO WORK is permitted Sunset of June 7 through nightfall of June 9 YAY!!!!!!

Sukkot Oct 12th (nightfall)-19th

NO WORK permitted on Oct. 13-15.............YAY!

Shemini Atzeret Oct 19th (sunset)- Oct. 20th (nightfall)

NO WORK permitted.................YAY again!

or the Islamic holidays:

Aug 30th- Eid al-Fitr (End of Ramadan)

NO WORK...YAY!

Nov 6th- Eid al-Adha (Feast of the Sacrifice)

NO WORK.. YAY!!!!!

Nov 26th- Al-Hijra (Islamic New Year)

NO WORK again...YAY!!!

Mr Åkesson, I have dealt with Swedish people enough to understand that this is a golden opportunity for them to get extra time off work because, as lovely as Swedes are, work is not their strong point. Now if you could just get the Buddist and the Hindi to come, you may be able to figure out how you barely have to work at all and still get paid for it! That should really appeal to a lot the Swedish workers.

You should be thanking the Muslim Iman and the Jewish Rabbi. Heck, this could just be the pot of gold for the Swedes to find a way to get days off, and they won't have to waste any energy on thought!
19:30 September 15, 2011 by Addendum
Sorry Jostein - Sweden IS a beautiful country with many beautiful, kind, and generous people. I (and many others I'm sure) am always thankful for the good people I have met here, and I have met quite a few. My primary beef is with state policies which hurt people...
19:40 September 15, 2011 by Dave N
Perhaps the imam at the Riksdag will echo the thoughts of the Sudanese imam who said on the radio that people who leave Islam should be killed.

And I hope they thoroughly search him before he enters the building as some of these religious nutters sometimes tend to explode when surrounded by kuffar.
20:06 September 15, 2011 by Selor
speedmail, Myes, your arguments are stunning. Thumbs up for intellectual beings. That is why progress will never happen; stupidity is inherited.
21:51 September 15, 2011 by gh2008
@jacquelinee,

LOL,

nicely thought and said!
22:36 September 15, 2011 by aletheia93
I do read occasionally Swedish News. I'm from Poland ( to many Swedes, Eastern European backward shithole or st like that filled with Slavic subhuman population ;) ). In Poland on every state occasion there are multi-faith celebrations consisting of (order is unimportant) : catholic, protestant, muslim, jewish, eastern orthodox. None would dare to question that ... maybe because of history. Actually, we felt what kind of evil a racism is and what does ethnic cleansing mean: (1) King's Wife - Nazi heritage (2) IKEA - nazi heritage (3) Akeson - Banning other faiths (4) Swedish economic success - Nazi heritage. Do you plan the second crystal night in the near future ? Good luck, Sweden
23:50 September 15, 2011 by Nemesis
@ aletheia93,

You are right about Åkesson. He would have a Kristallnacht, if he thought he would get away with it.

I have worked with Polish people in Ireland and Sweden. I am Scots-Irish.

I would prefer to have a polish work colleague I can rely on in work, than the average Swede.

Also Polish are a lot more fun to socialise with. If I buy a Pole a beer, they buy one back. Swedes don't normally buy a round of beer, if someone buys them a beer. Polish also have better barbeques and bring good Tatra beer:)
23:57 September 15, 2011 by Tysknaden
@aletheia93: Do you remember the horrible Kaczyński twinbrothers. "Law and order party". One was Prime Minister, the other was President of Poland. Compared to them is Åkesson a liberalist.

Also, it is well known - there is a lot of antisemitismn in Poland. And a lot of hardcore nationalists, revisionists, Nazis. Being a Jew or a Gypsi is not helpful, too.
00:17 September 16, 2011 by esvahnt
the multikulty will make us slaves

that s what we must avoid
00:54 September 16, 2011 by jostein
@Addendum

Nice words. Its not about morals or ethics or right and wrong, its about protecting ones own. I realize that a majority of the posters on thelocal do not want us swedes to exist. This is why they are such fervent supporters of massive immigration. It is natural, what are we to them?
01:03 September 16, 2011 by esvahnt
the figure is simply

they have 7 or 8 childs a couple

we 1 or 2

that means in 20 years they will outnumber us 4 to one

who will be in charge by then ?

not us of course
01:33 September 16, 2011 by gh2008
@aletheia93,

it seems you touched a Nazi nerve that Tysknaden is having a hard time keeping it unseen ;)
01:34 September 16, 2011 by Tysknaden
@jostein: I am a migrant from Germany. And I want to tell: I too feel annoyed by this big load of hatefilled comments on The Local. I don't understand, why those people, who seemingly hate this country and his people are here. They have no feeling for dignity and respect.

But: SD is not Sweden. It is only a political party. SD does not accept my existence in this country, although I am willing and able to become assimilated, and I am living of my own money. I came by my own free will, because I love Sweden. But SD proselytes did insult me and tried to start mobbing. I will never forgive this. They should focus their ideas of deportation on criminals, parasites and people, who refuse assimilation. I personally met many immigrants, who are not like those hatebombs, who litter The Local's forum. And, by the way: SD people have a tendency to mingle refugees and migrants. It is not the same!
07:45 September 16, 2011 by rise
@ Tysknaden

Yes there are those posters who really hates Sweden and Swedes. And at the same time are having the courage to demand respect from Swedes! I can only pity those posters, seeing that they really must hate their lives because of the fact that they ended up here.
07:58 September 16, 2011 by jostein
@Tysknaden

"SD is not Sweden. It is only a political party. SD does not accept my existence in this country, although I am willing and able to become assimilated, and I am living of my own money."

You are totally ignorant of SD policies. Totally. SD have the idea of "open swedishness", ie, anyone can become a swede if they assimilate. When it comes to nationalism SD are beggars. It is probably the mildest nationalist party in all of europe.

Anyway, all other parties support this massive immigraion that already have killed sweden as a nation. They never sought a popular mandate for this policy, they and the journalists just did it on the sly while pumping out a solid walll of propaganda. You see, the politicians and the journalists were in agreement that sweden should seice to exist as a nation. So thhere was no need to ask the people.

Last election they changed the swedish constitution without even one word being said in the media and declared that sweden is no longer a nation but a multicultural society. For example, a foreigner can now become a government minister.

SD is the one party that is not actively working to destroy the swedes as a people. But in truth, it is pointless. 80 % of the population cannot assimilate 20 %, especially since a majority of the 80% are above 40 years old.
09:05 September 16, 2011 by Tysknaden
@jostein: If there was a modification to SD policies, it was not properly communicated to SD's people on the street.
11:16 September 16, 2011 by cowboykodp
Tysknaden;

Don't buy this BS about SD from @jostein.

He is just a SD agent posing as a native Swede.

A brainwashed fool.

Oh yeah, 95% of native Swedes and journalists hate Sweden. Only the 5% of SD and their members are TRUE Swedes who love their country.

Heard this one before. Guess from who? (hint: 3rd R... Germany)
11:16 September 16, 2011 by fedotovskiy
Dear THELOCAL, why you turned off comments on Imam article?

Are you afraid of democracy, free speech and different opinions?
11:23 September 16, 2011 by fikatid
@Selor: Well put. Religions are source of all evils. Just look around and you will see. All the wars, the fights, the conflicts....they all rooted from religious differences. Religion is a devil in disguise.
11:37 September 16, 2011 by Central European
Free comments in imans are always tricky staff ... :(

See different in europeans news aggencies :

Imans can say whatever they wish, even the hate speaches, even more the call for murders and it is just kind of local colorits of islam, we must not take it as all embracing meaning of what is islam all about, we even are not allowed to judge it from our point of view " to do not offend all the muslims feeliing" .

Very strange isn´t it |?
12:17 September 16, 2011 by Cornelius Hamelberg
It's difficult to understand what all the hype is about and why it's the Sverige Demokrater that should come under scrutiny because they stand up for some old Swedish Values or just because in this instance they have protested the departure from the Swedish Parliament's old age tradition of having a Swedish Lutheran State Church traditional opening of Parliament - not an ecumenical service incorporating some Zionist Rabbi or some anti-terrorist Muslim Brotherhood Imam.

Now some smart alec is going to tell us that ecumenism is meant to be representative of the social-political-religious-cultural structure of Moder Svea, or Moder Svea in parliament - and then the question is what about the Hindus, the Buddhists, the holy Shamans and Seers of the Sami people, not to mention the overwhelming majority of the atheists and some of the Marxists and Satanists among us? Should they also be subjected to the indignity of having to put up with a select holy hypocrisy of a ceremonial farce - if they really don't believe in anything but themselves?

"It is Christianity and its values ​ that form the basis on which our society rests, although this seems to be difficult for many to accept," says Åkesson, this too is sadly true.

Swedish Church members 'don't believe in Jesus' :

http://www.google.se/search?q=Swedish+Church+members+%27don%27t+believe+in+Jesus%27&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:sv-SE:official&client=firefox-a
12:18 September 16, 2011 by Scansson
Re; IMAM Story

Comments Removed/Closed due to Svenska PC.

The truth will cause panic in the streets and cause the current voters to rethink come next election year.

As far as the broadcasted statement on the radio station...

It's more than likely a call to ALL those insurgents to act now, it's what these cell groups have been waiting for, and the other way is that the Scandinavians have no excuse to dismiss 'their' intentions of living in Sverige.

I have no doubts that's there may be a good reason that I have seen at least 10 Gripen air-fighters in a row 'Screaming' over Sweden this morning in patrol, either that or there's an air show in the area, but I don't think so.
12:28 September 16, 2011 by Rick Methven
@fedotovskiy, Scansson

The reason comments are stopped on some stories is because they attract idiots like you two who just make crap inflammatory posts, that is all your pea brains can think of
13:48 September 16, 2011 by Cornelius Hamelberg
It's discussable and I for one am prepared to discuss this with the representative of any religion or anti-religion:

http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/2011/09/16/a-short-note-re-jimmie-akesson-unhappy-with-the-ecumenical-state-opening-of-parliament/
14:09 September 16, 2011 by Tysknaden
This removal of the comments for the Imam article make me thinking. There is something terribly wrong in this country. At least with it's journalismn. In this point SD is definitely right. This is to learn.
14:47 September 16, 2011 by jostein
@Tysknaden

Go to their home page and read their documents? As any official representative. Talk to people?

@cowboykodp

No, i left SD. I cannot support their policy of an open swedeishness. If you ask me you can become a swede by marrying a swede or by adoption. Thats what it feels like to me and id feel like a hypocrit if i said anything else. According to SD im an extremist and they want nothing to do with my perspective.
14:53 September 16, 2011 by godnatt
So criticism of SD and white conservatives are welcome here.

Criticism of radical Islam and the non-white right wing nuts are not.

Pretty much sums up the situation Sweden.

Good work on creating the perfect analogy with your censorship The Local.
16:41 September 16, 2011 by eovti
I noticed that one reader of the Local used the word 'multikulty' here.

In Norway that's a word we associate with terrorist Anders Behring Breivik and his followers. So don't utter it if you ever come to Norway. Even blonde, blue-eyed Norwegians will take it as a personal insult.
16:55 September 16, 2011 by jostein
@godnatt

I think that is a bit unfair. thelocal is quite liberal in their moderation of the comment-fields. Just keep it civil and you are normally ok. If they are extra sensitive about anti-muslim statements then that is understandable, after all this site can be read all over the world.
17:51 September 16, 2011 by godnatt
@ jostein

So double standards and the media deciding what opinions are permissible sounds like an open democracy to you? Sounds like extremism of another sort to me.

I guess the murderers of Theo Van Gogh and last week's would be murderers of Lars Vilks have done their job well then.

This is the objective of terrorism.
18:23 September 16, 2011 by Tysknaden
@godnatt: Hereby I am taking back all my critical comments on SD and it's voters. I reconsidered my position. Now I understand the situation much better.
19:02 September 16, 2011 by Tysknaden
@fikatid: Communismn is a religion.
19:04 September 16, 2011 by Uncle
Tysknaden

I wrote it earlier today and have the chance to post it now, so I will do it, although you withdrew your criticism of SD. I think it is important for everybody to know about SD.

SD is offering many ideas that are supported by immigrants. Not imigrants from Poland or Germany, but actually the "problematic" ones.

For one, they presented a "groundbreaking" idea of instead of investing huge amounts of money on bringing muslims into this country in 100 ton containers and then wonder how come they are not assimilating, but burning cars, stabbing swedes and beating Jewish 90y/o on the street, whilst whining about racism, why not invest this money into the immigrants that already live here?

Throw it into economic expansion of the ghettos here, as well as tighten the language requirements on the poor little immigrants and all of a sudden the innocent victims will start passing SFI earlier than after 5 years. All of a sudden, the "youth" will find jobs within their own community. All of a sudden, they will start paying taxes. Why not?

Or for example, they propose to start bringing skilled immigration, instead of the mmm (how to say it in PC form?) the "lower opportunity" representatives whose happiest day in life is selling their daughter to the highest bidder (if you do not consider the day their son became a shahid even a better day). Let the immigration policy require a plan for the immigrant and follow up on that plan. Why not? Canada does it. Australia does it. Japan too.

They are not as bad as our open-minded and peace loving muslim opponents try to represent (again, without any actual proof, but based on what their imam told them right between the "Jews are guilty in all our failures" and "Why women should be beaten only with hands" speeches).
19:25 September 16, 2011 by Tysknaden
@speedmail: I agree fully.

@Uncle: I fully understand now. In Sweden the right of free speech is limited to those, who want to abolish it - and to their brainwashed tools.
19:35 September 16, 2011 by Uncle
Ricky

Apparently encouraging killing of ANY group of people by prominent cleric is so noble as it deserves a journalist report, but criticizing it may be considered inflammatory.

How typical.

btw, I just read a sort of a satiric observation:

"Yesterday, in protest against burning of one copy of the Koran in USA, as well as against generalizing accusations against Islam of terrorism, barbarism and violent extremism, hundreds of thousands of peaceful demonstrators in the muslim world burned 7650 U.S. flags, 3532 Obama's portraits, 427 stuffed Uncle Sams, 3 U.S. and 5 other countries embassies and 19 people alive."

Tragic, but true.
20:06 September 16, 2011 by Iraniboy
The main problem with SD is that they try to support and enforce Swedishness whereas they themselves have the least of it compared to average Swedes!
20:31 September 16, 2011 by idealist707
It's amazing how few minds can generate so much mental spam. There are a couple of reasoned posts here; the rest is canned spam, AKA opínions and free speech.

I just came from a stateside forum; same thing.

A UK forum; same thing. Idiocy is universal and totally rampant.

When in Saudi the Brits told me the Two Buckets policy all who come there to work must have. Ask a Brit, he'll tell it to you.

In the meanwhile, I've never met a Brit anywhere than that he/she complained about the Locals. I guess that's why they assumed the white man's burden; to change the world to liken them and for the colonies' good, of course.

Just face it, the country is as it is. Learn to love it, even the misery of winters-----and a few other things I won't mention.

In summary, narrow-mindedness is the worst I know, but since so many are, you have to grin and look for the exceptions.
21:50 September 16, 2011 by Tysknaden
@Iraniboy: Hard for you. They have a country, a home they belong to. You have nothing - except a funny nick. No home for you.

(No, I am not in this situation. I love Sweden and like the Swedes. Sweden is my home.)
09:42 September 17, 2011 by Tysknaden
Jacquelinee... Whoever removed the imam thread or triggered it's removal - it was a honest person, who gave proof for the real situation. I did learn a lot by this - and surely I am not the only one. It was a message more clear and instructive, than any of the removed comments.
09:51 September 17, 2011 by Uncle
"The same journalist, who signs this story, is the one who signs the story about the imam. Pure coincidence? "

No you are right. Let's not write about imams who encourage murder and not SD who wants to stop these people from coming here and living on taxes with their 12 futurless children.

Let's not discuss at all anything connected to muslims (except when they are fail to exterminate a nation and start telling everyone how oppressed they are like in the case of threads about Israel)

Let's write how racist swedes are since they don't want to hire whatever comes here in top positions directly from the airplane and obviously do not bring enough refugees, who clearly make everyone's life much better.

That is a good idea.
11:33 September 17, 2011 by Tysknaden
@MARYLINVOSSAVANT: Thank you very much for the link! No I understand. The Local removed the imam thread, because free speech about minorities is forbidden by law.

But that's okay. The Swedes will become a minority soon - and then they can do what the want without any fear of opposition.
12:27 September 17, 2011 by Uncle
"The Swedes will become a minority soon - and then they can do what the want without any fear of opposition"

Neeeh, Tysknaden... THEN it will be "encouraging towards extremism against the official majority of muslim population" for which there is a prison sentence. You don't really think that THEY have the same understanding of what democracy and freedom of speech means, do you?
12:34 September 17, 2011 by Cornelius Hamelberg
http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/2011/09/17/jimmie-akesson-unhappy-with-the-ecumenical-state-opening-of-parliament-2/

The Swedish flag clearly represents Christianity.

Since xenophobia, anti-Semitism and islamophobia are problems in Sweden, we are to suppose that the ecumenical service with a Christian Bishop, a Jewish Rabbi and a Muslim Imam is calculated to reflect the harmony and trust that exists among the various religious trends within the realm or at least to show that Judaism and Islam in particular is not an enemy religion, especially considering that Islam is so often closely associated with the problem of world-wide Islamic terrorism - not least of all here in Sweden.

So the ecumenical service is a confidence-building measure and another attempt to show tolerance not only for multiculturalism but also for the diversity of peoples' faiths, in the new Sweden.

Considering it's aims, shouldn't such a bold, innovative step be applauded ? At least through the ecumenical service those represented ( Christianity, Judaism and Islam) do not feel left out, although perhaps some other religious branches/ denominations/ sects could be wondering, "What about us?"

It so happens that the ecumenical service at the state opening of Parliament is one way that the authorities have chosen to manifest diversity and tolerance.

In the United Kingdom, where there is an even greater diversity of people, cultures and faiths, than what we have in Sweden, the ceremonial state opening of Parliament is a several hundred years old tradition (back to the sixteenth century) and the (Anglican)Church of England's Westminster Abbey and St. Paul's Cathedral do not figure in the ancient tradition of pomp and ceremony - and all that pageantry, nor does the ecumenical movement:

The State opening of Parliament in the UK

There is this significant modernisation that has taken place though: Prince Charles who will be the future King of England and head of the Church of England is no longer " Defender of the Faith", but recognising the diversity within the realm, Prince Charles is to be known as "Defender of Faith"
13:05 September 17, 2011 by Tysknaden
@Uncle: I know.

@Cornelus Hamelberg: Islam is not an enemy religion - thats for sure :-D
13:15 September 17, 2011 by FireBoy
just take these religious bullshits and icons away and into trashcan. Religion is a poison.
13:41 September 17, 2011 by Cornelius Hamelberg
Tysknaden,

Live and let live. The motto is: Friend of all, enemy of none.

If you are friend to al-Islam, al-Islam will be a friend to you.

Here's some friendly fire:

Once upon a time it wasn't but now it is. According to Imam Othman Al Tawalbeh. "Ramadan is part of Swedish culture and we want to tell everybody about it" ….

http://www.google.com/search?q=imam+Othman+Al+Tawalbeh&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:sv-SE:official&client=firefox-a&hl=en
14:13 September 17, 2011 by Tysknaden
@Cornelius Hamelberg: Sorry. I don't want to be a friend of Islam. And I am an enemy of every single terrorist. Too bad... now Islam does not want to be my friend, anymore... Maybe, I should start to worry about my survival?
14:17 September 17, 2011 by jacquelinee
@ Rick Methven

I do agree with a lot of the posters who I usually disgree with on this one. Why is it ok for this iman to voice such horrific, violent hate propoganda and have it be open to public scutiny, if it is not ok for others to post a reaction to it? Of course, I have not read the deleted posts, so I can only hypothesise. But unless they were inciting violence (and the imans did not?hmmm) they should be allowed to stand.

The sad thing is that those muslim immigrants who DO want to fit in here, adjust, evolve, integrate are having their lives threatened and there is no one who is protecting them. The islamic extremists won't , they will follow the murderous words of the imans such as this one. Also, the vast majority of Swedes won't as they see all muslims as the same. It is a terrible position to be in. Which ever way those people turn, they can not win.
14:18 September 17, 2011 by Uncle
"If you are friend to al-Islam, al-Islam will be a friend to you."

Oh, yeah, I am sure that 1 million dead in Iraq that mostly exploded in markets and restaurants were enemies of Al-Islam. I am sure that everyone in the Twin Towers was also an enemy of this peaceloving religion. I am sure that thousands of dead Kurds and muslims in Darfur were bitter enemies of islam...

The theory of "be friend of everyone" does not apply for those who WANT to be your enemy because you do not believe in whatever they do. Or you DO believe, but not in the correct sort of whatever you believe in.
14:25 September 17, 2011 by Tysknaden
@Jacquelinee: The moderate muslim immigrants life is threatened by muslim fanatics, not by conservative Swedes. And this deportation-thingie was ignited and fueled by those muslims, who do refuse integration. And by people, who are spending the day by hatefilled agitation against Sweden and it's Swedish population.
17:48 September 17, 2011 by Iraniboy
@Tysknaden

Haha, you wish :D You have no idea how I live. I really enjoy living in Sweden due to the respects I recieve from all Swedes!
19:44 September 17, 2011 by Cornelius Hamelberg
MARILYNVOSSAVANT,

Quite a few Swedish women and men have converted to Islam. So did Roger Garaudy...

The Muslim Establishment Worldwide has some difficulty with endorsing Article 18 of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights. This is because Muslims believe that the word of Allah cannot be abrogated by the United Nations.

In Sweden at least, I should think that there's also a slight difference in how the Sharia Law might be applied to someone who is born Muslim ( to Muslim parents) and to someone else who might repeat the Shadada by which a person becomes a Muslim and then five minutes later return to his beloved Christianity...

Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Apostasy in Islam:

http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:sv-SE:official&source=hp&q=Apostasy+in+Islam&pbx=1&oq=Apostasy+in+Islam&aq=f&aqi=g1&gs_upl=301693l307331l0l307761l17l17l0l6l6l0l136l805l9.2l11l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1272&bih=849

Converting from Islam seems to guarantee that an apostate who seeks asylum in Sweden is not sent back to e.g. The Islamic Republic of Iran.
20:05 September 17, 2011 by Tysknaden
@Iraniboy: For sure :-D
20:10 September 17, 2011 by idealist707
said by Uncle: QUOTE

No you are right. Let's not write about imams who encourage murder and not SD who wants to stop these people from coming here and living on taxes with their 12 futurless children.

UNQUOTE

plus much more babble.

I got news for you cranks and bigots, the immigrants are taking over, and thank god for that. They have a cultural heritage that far exceeds the Swedish in diversity and age.

In India, there are 17 official national languages, in Syria there are three----and four religions. My heart center in Stockholm is owned and staffed by 20 Iranian doctors. My pharmacy on Ringvägen Södermalm has on a typical day 5 of 8 employees from immigrant families. My moroccan friend's oldest daughter is soon a registered nurse. Believe me the ones I know are working and working well too.

As for the fears of becoming a minority, that is to be feared if you wish. My friends back in NC USA are worried because they have become a minority, with a black majority in most urban areas.

But I look to other countries and see diversity and also discord.

No one regrets the horrors of Iraq or of Lebanon as I do, but I look for the real causes; not the information warfare and demagoguery which is conceals them.

Do they bottom in cultural and religious differences? I doubt it, instead it is a question of power and wealth sharing.

It is driven by oil, oil, oil.....and resource paucity in the ME otherwise----plus water of course.

We unfortunaltely embrace the illusion that we are all unique; and want to hold on to all proofs of that. We are in fact all prototypes; who after 10 generations will exist as one thousandth of the genes of a direct descendant.

So, search for commonality. Which in fact the muslims have come much closer to than we Christians ever will.

To them they are all brothers, and it can be seen daily in their relationships.

Homozygotism is not healthy, nor its cultural counterpart in a nation.
21:00 September 17, 2011 by jostein
@idealist707

I guess rwanda and bosnia and turkey was oil too?

Furthermore, dont you think the people should have been consulted before my nation was turned into afghanistan? People like you are driven by hatered against white people, that is your one motivation.
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