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Asylum agreement to reunite thousands

Published: 18 Sep 2011 09:18 GMT+02:00
Updated: 18 Sep 2011 09:18 GMT+02:00

Reunification has been hampered since spring 2010 when Sweden tightened its family immigration law, taking stringent measures toward those that did not have recognized identity documents.

Thousands of Somalis have thus been stranded in crowded refugee camps in east Africa during the current famine.

Changes in the law mean that about 4,000 Somalis, many children, will be permitted into Sweden though it is not certain if all will receive a residence permit.

In addition, the new agreement grants undocumented children the right to attend school, a promise made by Sweden’s Minister for Education Jan Björklund.

The budget for autumn 2012 allocates 850 million kronor (about $130 million) toward the cost of the legislative reforms and the undocumented children’s education. However, the exact cost and total number of those covered remains unclear, according the Dagens Nyheter (DN).

The newfound cooperation between the Alliance Parties and the MP stems from the new labour law, a law that answers Sweden’s need for a future workforce by opening the door to those who do meet the stringent requirements of the asylum law.

The proposed bill regarding the reunification and education of undocumented children will be presented later this year.

Karen Holst (kholstmedia@gmail.com)

Your comments about this article

10:31 September 18, 2011 by Brtahan
Most somalis cannt accomodate to swedish culture eq: cloths ,some of their old culture which doesnt fit in the society like circumsion of females etc , hope these kids get a better life here and become more open minded .And dont live in areas like district 9 and get more scattered in sweden.
10:31 September 18, 2011 by Scansson
4000 Potential Voters!

This is all polically motivated and will only benifit the interested party that has passed this initiative.

Sweden has officially lost it's identity : (
10:56 September 18, 2011 by jostein
I cant complain, 4700 years is not bad by any standard. Better than most. All things must come to an end.
10:57 September 18, 2011 by Tammybonny
o nooooooooo me no like this........
11:17 September 18, 2011 by Boar
I am happy that there will soon be so many Somalis coming. It's a good lesson for Arabs (usually think they are white, and think themselves that they deserve everything everywhere) and racists in other parts in Europe. Swedes are tolerant. So, they are good people. I prefer Somalis compared with Arabs, as they are better than Arabs.
11:25 September 18, 2011 by Alohart
Is The Local trying to increase its article word count by repeating a significant portion of the article?
12:13 September 18, 2011 by Tysknaden
The Green Party "Die Grünen" in Germany is the migrant's party, too. Green :-)
12:13 September 18, 2011 by Abe L
If Sweden needs a workforce for the future, they should encourage and reward people for getting more children. They should also stop handing out welfare to people who do not work. So we get more Swedes in those openings rather then get more immigrants.

I'm also sure they could recruit at least partly educated and trained folks from other parts of Europe or Russia. Rather then recruiting Somali's who aren't specifically notorious for being hard working and trustworthy.

Really, why is my tax money spend on this.
12:17 September 18, 2011 by jostein
@Abe L

It is ideological. The journalists and politicians driving this hate nationalism. They want people to have lojalty to intellectual ideas instead of to one another.
12:31 September 18, 2011 by RobinHood
This is great news for everybody!

Sweden really needs thousands more Somalis to bring us even more cultural and religous diversity. Sweden especially needs thousands more "future workers". Everyone knows there is a growing problem finding enough people to fill all the available jobs in Sweden. These highly-qualified and talented people are really going to help make up the shortfall, especially amongst all the Swedish companies that currently can't find enough young people to work for them.
12:35 September 18, 2011 by calebian22
Yes, we need more goat herders in Sweden.
12:39 September 18, 2011 by gabeltoon
This whole article should be a wake up call to us all in europe and SCANDANAVIA. There is only so much we can do to help others.AFRICA ,THE MIDDLE EAST FAR EAST their cultures and way of life are so differant from ours that they will never be able to intergrate.I would agree with ABE L #8 SWEDEN should encourage there own native swedes to have more children so building up a work force to sustain the SWEDISH NATION AND CULTURE and ECONOMY.
12:39 September 18, 2011 by hackie
@RobinHood,

Your comment does not make any sense. Did you comprehend the article at all? In case you are too dumb to understand it, the article is talking about thousands of asylum seekers, not thousands of skilled workers. How do you expect 4000 social tapeworms to fill the skill shortage? I am sure you are one of them...
12:42 September 18, 2011 by Tysknaden
The next step: When a certain point ist reached, when the several migrated groups are big and powerful enough... they will go for each other. This already happens in Germany's big cities.
12:50 September 18, 2011 by Svensksmith
For those of us who have much, it is our obligation to help out those who have little. However, I am not convinced that bringing a bunch of Somalias to Sweden is the best course of action.
13:31 September 18, 2011 by Tysknaden
@hackie: Have you ever heard about having fun by using cynismn, sarcasmn, irony?
13:49 September 18, 2011 by Boar
The best solution would be that country like Sweden buy lands in Africa and then slowly occupy the whole continent and change the people. Because, since centuries there is no change in Africa. And, it will never change.

It's better to buy the land slowly and send some native swedes there and then take in refugees and change them slowly.

The good solution is to destroy whole African culture and then make them to change. Because, anyway, they want to settle in Europe. Why not change them slowly in that way. The population of Africa is 40 people per square kilometre. In Europe it is 83 people per square Kilometre. And, Africa has everything oil, minerals, water.

We don't need to think much about Arab. Since they are more fundamentalists. And, it's hard to tame them. At the end of the day they won't listen.
13:50 September 18, 2011 by godnatt
They are importing these civilized, peace loving Somalis to help grow the Swedish pirate industry?

This is so against the economic and security interests of Swedish citizens these politicians should be jailed for this.
14:24 September 18, 2011 by truthworthy
I have been following this issue for sometime and I must say, this is deserved. It makes no sense for Sweden to give resident permits to parents and do not allow them to have their children or to accept a husband but not his wife.

Integration wont be possible until people have stable lives with their families.

To racists: keep complaining because no one is going to listen. Take a lesson from what happened in Denmark this week.
14:34 September 18, 2011 by Just_Kidding
Refugees could be admitted in a temporarily base until situation gets better in their country of origin. This discourages people from seeking refugee status based on economic motivations, and frees some capacity for accepting those who are really fleeing genocides.

If there was a need for immigrant workers, such a need could be satisfied with a point based selection system similar to Canada and Australia.

Atheist Iranian
14:37 September 18, 2011 by calebian22
Trustworthy,

We don't live in Denmark. However, if you read news reports out of Denmark, you will see that there is little support for repealing the stringent immigration policies that have become law over the last ten years. The red greens don't have the votes, even within their own parties to accomplish this. Closer to home, policies like this are exactly why the Sweden Democrats will hit double digits in 2014. Then of course people like you will say bigotry is on the rise, rather than looking at the blame within your own community. It is always easier (and lazier) to claim bigotry rather than admitting that many within your community don't wish to be good citizens.
14:56 September 18, 2011 by Addendum
Negligent state spending drives people into the arms of the SD...
14:58 September 18, 2011 by Nemesis
Until recently I thought the Sweden Democrats were on for 10% to 12% of the vote in 2014.

It is clear now that the Sweden Democrats will pick up at least 20% if not more, in the 2014 general election.
15:22 September 18, 2011 by hackie
@Tysknaden

What do you mean by what you posted in #16?
15:27 September 18, 2011 by GLO
Sweden. You are NUTS! Stop this crap.....Tell them to go home....
15:32 September 18, 2011 by RobinHood
Poor Hackie

Bring the screen please nurse, we can't let him go on in this condition.
15:49 September 18, 2011 by Scorch
youtube(.)com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Very good video
16:18 September 18, 2011 by johnoleson
Swedes, your best bet is to flee west and bring your gene pool with you. Your homeland has been snatched away by those you entrusted to represent your interest.
16:55 September 18, 2011 by Uncle
I am sorry. I am really not against unification of these families. But why not unite back in Somalia?

Somalia is one of great examples where the evil west not guilty in anything. This country collected the biggest army in Africa and attacked it's neighbours. After that, it is Somalians themselves who are ripping the country apart. Why give them asylum at all? They brought themselves to wherever they are now.

These people also are mostly illetarate in ANY language (I know few SFI teachers who "specialize" in somalians - the most depressed teachers in Sweden). These are people who have no concept of time the way western countries use it. They could actually show up at work or class 2 hours late and not understand what the problem is.

They are aggressive and their crime stats are the highest among any socio economic groups in Sweden. They are also extreme in their religious beliefs and violent towards their own family and community.

Apparently, it is very common that Somalians cheat other somalians in these communities offering "bureaucratic assistance" for money and then dumping the new arrivals with a big debt and no income.

It is enough to ask other africans what they think of somalians and base an asylum opinion on that.

As for "future workforce" bull, the gentlemen here would be happy if the devil himself would arrive to sweden with his demons, if only they would convert to islam.
16:58 September 18, 2011 by hackie
@MARILYNVOSSAVANT

Whatever! It better not to talk at all than using some cynicism or sarcasm that provokes someone.

@RobinHood,

Hehehe.
17:38 September 18, 2011 by Josefin Nilsson
I think this is really good! Because I belive there going to get a mutch more better life here in Sweden then in a famine stricked countrey living a life in pure suffer!
18:32 September 18, 2011 by Uncle
Can someone from the "wonderfulness of multiculturalism" squad give me concrete facts, except for slogans?

From the moment Sweden started accepting somalian refugees (and refugees in general) what has improved in Sweden due to and directly connected to multiculturalism? What? Cultural output? Economic growth? Medical rating? University standings? Crime figures? Safety on the roads? Increases in pension? WHAT?

How the refugees are involved in the industrial, IT, agricultural progress of Sweden? What concretely has improved due to this favourite word used to sneak barbarian muslim population into Europe?
20:58 September 18, 2011 by omash kavash
this goes to my freidn abe l go to usa there are not hardworkers than somalis even the government knows them u been to sweden where no jobs handed out to imigrants and people loose hope go around the world and see go to german y norway and see how somalis work where there is jobs so dont bullshit about them they cool people need help n i agree with this thanx to swedish gevernmment
21:17 September 18, 2011 by fedotovskiy
I cannot understand: new imigration law will be implemented specially for Somalians? Or for all people? So why this artcle is about somalians then?!

Racism again?

Will people from Ukraine be allowed to re-unite? Or it is only african privelege?
21:20 September 18, 2011 by Somsweded
everysomali body cn feely 2many stress ,if you live in alital rom with out your wife and your child

IM very happy to that news i have been wait like tihs and i cn say thank you very much swedish govermenty and its soceity .

i would like to thanks this news website the local.se

today we cn lough and play with an other obout these news.kakakakakak
21:26 September 18, 2011 by Uncle
Haha, just to read these comments by omash kavash and somsweded and one gets a perfect understanding of the workforce quality that is already here.

Can't wait to see what is on the way!
21:51 September 18, 2011 by hackie
@MARILYNVOSSAVANT,

Is it that you are out of your mind or you have a problem with comprehension? What the f*ck are you talking about? I don't have time for morons. Bye
21:55 September 18, 2011 by islamist
i think the white man ought to have thought abt this way way some 100 years ago before setting there feet in african soil.......so please i suggest u shuush ur mouth........alot or racists here most of them are immigrants to this country......FYI.....am a proud somali who accomplished alot in this country.stop stereotyping people, we dont all live on welfare..
22:06 September 18, 2011 by RobinHood
@fedotovskiy

The refugee Somalians families are a special case because, unlike Ukranians, they have no paperwork to prove their identity, or any posessions at all in fact; other than the clothes they stand up in, and maybe a plastic bottle and a rice bowl.

These "future employees" will fit right in, in Sweden's hi-tec society.
22:13 September 18, 2011 by islamist
a bunch of middle aged men here.....attacking people behind there computers #WEAK
22:14 September 18, 2011 by fedotovskiy
Islamist:

"am a proud somali"

You are proud of Somali - so what are you doing in Sweden?

Why you are here? If Somali is sooooo nice - I think everybody should dream about living in Somalia.

PS. Nice nickname really. So peacefull.
22:16 September 18, 2011 by t64
@boar #17

I agree with Mr. Boar, and will add that Africa is very sick. You can't cure the sickness by infecting your own home with the diseased. Buying land in Africa and colonizing it to slowly exact change is the only way to really help and money much better spent.
22:35 September 18, 2011 by godnatt
@ Uncle

Given the plethora of waterfronts and the archipelago, Somalis can thrive bringing well tested skills to expand Sweden's burgeoning maritime pirate industry.
22:46 September 18, 2011 by Addendum
90-year-old Ganna Chyzhevska, suffering from dementia and heart disease, will be sent back to Ukraine, even though her daughter and granddaughter— who want to care for her—are Swedish citizens who have lived in Sweden for sixteen years. Migrationsverket denied Ms. Chyzhevska's request for residency, most recently, because her medical certificate says her condition is not deteriorating... Ms. Chyzhevska will be deported October 3...
22:56 September 18, 2011 by Alara612
Its too much. Im not Swedish, but I dont think that is good thing that so many people whose grown up in totally different culture and came to Sweden and became Swedish. Those ppl making Sweden not safety as it was as many years back, especially those are dont like study, dont like work, but enjoying welfare.
23:00 September 18, 2011 by johan rebel
You really gotta love these model parents who flee to Sweden, leaving their children behind to fend for themselves. Assuming they actually left any behind, of course.

If the Swedish authorities had any sense (they do not), they would DNA test all these thousands of undocumented kids and other relatives to confirm that they are actually related to those who already have their foot in the Swedish door and are now trying to open the floodgates by sponsoring as many as possible, whether for financial reward or other gain.

It ia beautifully simple and effective, especially when aided and abetted by blue-eyed asyslum seeker huggers. Get yourself smuggled to Sweden, then at the earliest opportunity import a couple of wives or kids. They will provide you with multiple incomes (socialbidrag, barnbidrag, bostadsbidrag, you name it), as well as clean your house, shop, cook your food and indulge all your sexual fantasies and desires. Just like at home, but so much more comfortable and secure. Pity about the lack of goats, though. Maybe socialen can decree that goats are essential to attain minimum living standards and an inalienable multi-cultural right, and therefore to be financed by the taxpayer.
23:11 September 18, 2011 by ZeitTrash
All white countries must be "diversified" and have their culture and people obliterated while non-white countries must remain non-white to preserve their precious racial identity and heritage. The controlling elites of all Western nations are obsessed with exterminating their native cultures and peoples. Sweden is committing suicide.
23:34 September 18, 2011 by godnatt
@ islamist

Not all of us. Would LOVE for you to say that to my face, skinny.

But of course the only thing you chicken necked weaklings can beat are your women.
00:00 September 19, 2011 by Uncle
haha godnatt.

I am absolutely positive that Sweden could indeed use the somali skills in engaging unarmed trade ships and kidnapping. Multicultural exchange, you see...

It is us - the idiots who do not see all the benefits of it.

@islamist

"Islamism - supporting or advocating Islamic fundamentalism" Free online dictionary.

"Islamism - set of ideologies holding that Islam is not only a religion but also a political system"

No, islamist. It ineed looks like you are the right material for this country. Let's bring all your cousins from the fourth degree also.

Hey, I have got an idea! After you brought your cousins, let's send the passports by mail back to Somalia and bring the rest of the tribe! After all, them pale swedish morons at the border cannot differ you from the photo and all of you are named the same also. Oh, god, I think that I am a bit late with this start-up. It was already invented by the skilled and professional refugees from the proud Somalia.

Oh, I have another one! Why wouldn't you claim that you are 16 years old and try to sneak past the swedish authorities as little poor orphans! Haha, they would just think that you are a developed 16 y/o.

Oh, blimey, I think that y'all were onto this idea for years already!

It does not matter that you actually harm the REAL children orphans in Somalia, by committing this fraud, but what the hell, it is not like the proud somalians assisted each other at any other time of need? Why start now?
01:06 September 19, 2011 by Chickybee
i think this is a huge mistake.

Somalis can be better regrouped in Africa where they have greater proximity to their culture and religion and also their actual environment.

Europe cannot sustain such immigration.

Europeans have a right to keep their countries as they are.

Why does it seem to be that being a European has no value?
01:07 September 19, 2011 by johnny1939
Next election I plan to vote SD...I have had it!
02:26 September 19, 2011 by waffen
Well said, jonny 1939, well said.

There is at least one person who clearly states his preference for Sweden.
03:19 September 19, 2011 by ctinej
What a disaster. . It is sooooooo sad to let see this happen.

Sweden can be compassionate by reuniting them it their home country with lots aid. Think of what $130m could do in Africa. They could start an entire town, with schools that teach science instead of mosques that teach superstition. Family planning clinics for everyone.

Maybe the rest of the world would follow suit and create more new towns to reunite the refugees and provide the education they need to change the mess they are running from.

For those who are so quick to condemn and to label 'racist" you need to understand that being cognizant of an 'earned reputation" is not racist.
05:12 September 19, 2011 by ericrufinosiah
Now,the native Swedish should have no other excuses and reasons not to " vote

for Jimme Akesson and his Sweden Democrat " in the next National Election for

only Jimme Akesson and the Sweden Democrat understands the plight and

futures of Sweden.
08:28 September 19, 2011 by islamist
somalis mind their business, i wonder why swedish or this immigrant rednecks here cant! we dont try to be like u guys and we dont wanna be like u guyz....if you want us to intergrate into this society of your dont tell me to assimilate coz am not comfortable wearing bikini and sunbathing naked neither are you comfortable wear a burka or hijab....and for the person who said why dont you go and live your county, for one i know ur not swedish so am not gonn take it as an attack from this country but from an iggnorant middle aged guy who thinks he is higly educated but NOT! yes i was born during the civil war came to this country when i was 2 and i have lived here my whole life...my ethnicity is somali and nationality is swedish, so eat your heart out. the other ukranian dude who thinks just coz he has blond and has blue eyes he has more rights to sweden than we do...well news flash your just an immigrant as iam so fact is fact just coz u have blond hair and blue eyes wont help you unless you cover up with some pretty good swedish, msy be then you might try and fit in..people voting for SD shame on you what are the difference btw osama bil aden followers and you as far as iam concern ur athiest or christian jihadist! and for the people who think am a guy and am not and we our men dont beat us unlike a few swedish i know who drunkly beat their wives, that is why we dont ever cross and marry other races coz we are content with what we are!
08:49 September 19, 2011 by Kevin Harris
@Islamist

You are a Somali right? I have a question!

How did up to 4 000 Somali children get abandoned by their parents, and left behind to fend for themselves in a country racked by war and famine.

Personally, I get nervous when I check my kids into an IKEA childrens' room.
10:18 September 19, 2011 by Learner2011
@Uncle #34

I know very well that it is completely useless and pointless to argue with a person like you (Due to your bad mentality and principles that you have showed on this forum). However, my answer to your narrow minded question is:

Sweden doesn't need anything from anyone. Sweden is rich enough by its nice tolerant people, good universities, strong economy ...etc

Apparently you are blind to see or feel how human beings should treat each other. Maybe the lack of morals which you are suffering from is putting you in a position where you feel that protecting poor people is a mistake because we can't make money out of them.

You should be ashamed of yourself when you are saying what Sweden gained out of taking refugees and save them from death and hunger. Sweden grained Respect, Love, Admiration and great reputation in the international community for standing up for human rights and supporting others.
10:32 September 19, 2011 by Tysknaden
@Learner2011: Kicking your country into the trash bin has nothing to do with moral. It's deeply immoral, to kill your children's and grandchildrens future for having a cheap kick off feeling good. It's nothing but a cheap egoistic deal.

And in the long run, a lot of pain and death will be caused by this backstabbing of the own homeland. And the ability of giving shelter will become completely lost, too.

You should be ashamed with your egoist, narrow minded "moral".
10:52 September 19, 2011 by securityguy
#Learner2011, you are complete moron!

Uncle....you are awesome!!!

Problem easily solved!

Swedes, just stop allowing your politicians to "guilt" you into letting "refugees" into your country and all will be well. The people whom actually argue for immigration and integration of third world peoples into a first world country have obviously never lived among the people that they wish to force upon you.

As a prerequisite, any politician or group of people who wish to force the immigration issue down the throats of normal first world people should be forced to live among them (the third world people) for at least 2 years. I have a feeling that the policies would change right away.......or at least follow the lead of Denmark regarding immigration policies:)

If Sweden really wants to help those less fortunate (and I agree, this is a great thing to do) they should focus on sending resources to the countries in need, and not bringing the needy into your home. Seriously, provide training, education, building techniques, etc. to these countries (not money) and in time things will improve. Bringing the "problem" to Sweden just makes problems as unfortunately most 3rd world cultures can't immediately integrate with 1st world ones!
11:08 September 19, 2011 by fedotovskiy
securityguy:

"Swedes, just stop allowing your politicians to "guilt" you into letting "refugees" into your country and all will be well"

The problem is not in Sweden government. It happens in many european countries - Norway, Germany, UK, France, Netherlands...

Australia and USA are also "under attack''. Someone say that it's because these countries are rich. This is wrong! Look at super rich Japan and South Korea - no immigrants AT ALL!

So, it's obvious problem of any country where europeans represent majority of population.
11:13 September 19, 2011 by securityguy
#63

Very true....These other rich countries actually have very strict immigration policies.

In the US, there are obviously many immigrants but, it isn't such a problem as you don't get a hand out from the government. In the US, either you work, or you live on the street.

Regarding the Europeans, I wonder why it is such a problem....
11:20 September 19, 2011 by fedotovskiy
"Regarding the Europeans, I wonder why it is such a problem...."

The answer is pretty clear actually...Just spend some time on thinking why whole Europe is under attack and you will get answer soon, I'm sure.
12:30 September 19, 2011 by soultraveler3
"The newfound cooperation between the Alliance Parties and the MP stems from the new labour law, a law that answers Sweden's need for a future workforce by opening the door to those who do meet the stringent requirements of the asylum law."

Why not hire the thousands of Swedes and educated immigrants that are in need of work and that are already here to solve this problem??

It's hard to find native Swedes to find work here and it's next to impossible for immigrants to find work here, even if they have twice the education and experience of anyone else applying for the job. Why not fix this problem instead?

Just a few weeks ago there was an article saying that in certain areas of Malmö the unemployment rate was more than 40%. You read all the time about young Swedes not being able to find employment. There's a ton of professionals here that have moved from other countries that CAN'T find work, even after looking for years.

All of this is common knowledge, so one has to ask wth, the people passing these laws are thinking. It has to be some sort of political game they're playing.
12:31 September 19, 2011 by godnatt
@ Islamist

You don't marry outside because no Swede would want an Islamist cavewoman who's clitoris has been sliced off and who would do the same to her own daughter given five minutes alone with her.

Yes, Somalis treat their women so great that they maim and disfigure them to maintain their all important "modesty".
12:36 September 19, 2011 by Tysknaden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting
12:55 September 19, 2011 by AdriannaVL
While I understand the worries about cultural degradation and so on, remember that it was only a small violent fraction of the Somalis, who destroyed the whole country and deprived the rest of the population of any chances of a decent life.

In general, it is only one small, but very brutal fraction of any society that oppresses the majority, who only wants to live, they want a chance. I know that, because I come from an oppressive regime myself, and have struggled hard and long to escape from it. I am thankful and LOYAL, have strong emotional attachment to the countries (Denmark/Sweden/Germany) that have given me education and a chance for a better life. I have NO ATTACHMENT to the prison I call "country of origin" apart from the purest form of hatred, which has now become only a disgust, against a political elite, who parasites, exploits and oppresses its own people.

Remember, it is only a small fraction of a society that brutalizes the rest, the normal people just want to get on with their lives, raise their children and have struggled long and hard for the hope to give their children a better life. Thats why mothers have come here to Sweden, not because they want to abandon their children, but because they hoped to help them.

On the other hand I insist that they must integrate into the society they have chosen (Sweden) and I accept no such thing as "multiculturalism" and a softie approach to immigrants. They must learn Swedish, live by the rules and get a job, the rest is details.
13:32 September 19, 2011 by Iraniboy
Hehe. I like Sweden. A Xenophobe can possibly die out of anger within a month here due to extreme morality of the vast majority of Swedes :D
13:50 September 19, 2011 by hackie
12:24 September 19, 2011 by MARILYNVOSSAVANT #66

Whom are you afraid of provoking? The government, MP, Somalis, Muslims, Swedes, commentators, your relatives, Obama, Putin, God, terrorists?.

Do you ever listen to yourself when you speak? Read what you puked out and you will be sorry for yourself. I am very sure that "down syndrome" runs in your lineage. You are obviously an imbecile. If not, you would have seen my argument.

Like I have said before and I will still repeat, I don't deal with imbeciles and morons. You've got no brain in your skull. Your skull is an empty lump of bone. Stop talking where human beings are talking.
14:16 September 19, 2011 by Iraniboy
@MARIL

I didn't defend anyone! And Yes. Swedes On Average vote for morality much more than other countries.

Is it compliment to Swede? Well I didn't want anything otherwise. They deserve it. They never give up their moral values even if it makes people liek you and other poster here angry!!
14:24 September 19, 2011 by Tysknaden
@Iraniboy: I remember all your postings about Sweden's coldness, fascist attitude and inferior level of morality. Are you schizophrenic? You spoke about the whole country - not only about the people who are giving you the right answers on this forum or by their votes.
15:25 September 19, 2011 by Iraniboy
@Tysknaden

I hereby challenge you to show me the post that I've accused Swedes of being fascist and inferior morality. I have been to many countries around the world from Iran to the US. I have seen fascism in most place but I have never seen it in Sweden except in this forum (if it counts!)

As for coldness, it is true and there is nothing wrong with it. I actually like it!

The reality of Sweden is what tou read in this News! This is what you see from the people in the streets. The kindness and genuine polite smiles and care for morality. But these values are very strange for our non-Swede posters here like gnatt. Maril, Uncle et al so they always try to turn agains them!
15:53 September 19, 2011 by securityguy
#68 godnatt...hahahahahaahahahah....that was one of the best posts yet!!!!

#72 hackie......awesome!!!!!!

Thanks so much guys (or girls) I haven't seen such a great sense of humor in quite some time!!!!!

Seriously, I laughed so hard that I almost pissed my pants!!!!!

Awesome!!!!!
16:34 September 19, 2011 by Iraniboy
@Marilyn

You need help! I suppose you are among those who are deeply upset by what Alliansen and Miljöparti which account for 55% of Swedes have decided these days!! Poor you! Not to mention the other 40% who support Socialdemokrats and left who believe in more mery than what is provided in this agreement! If you wanna live in Sweden you should get used to such news otherwise you will get some mental disorders!
17:05 September 19, 2011 by Svensksmith
If I see a homeless guy out on the streets, I don't invite him into my house. Instead, I donate to organizations such as the Salvation Army which tries to educate the homeless and help them help themselves.
17:20 September 19, 2011 by Tysknaden
@Iraniboy: Search in the thread by the article of this poor Pakistanis, who did not have enough conversation.

I guess, many people do regret their voting, by now. Nobody sane did vote for this braindamaged sort of action, most likely. The voters trust has been misused. Not to mention Carl Bildt's political amok.
18:07 September 19, 2011 by Iraniboy
@Maril

I was quite certain that you are not Swede but even if you don't live in Sweden then it says alot about your existance in thsi forum.

It is easy to realize you don't live in Sweden. The kinda of hate language you use is non-existant in Sweden.

@Tysknaden

I asked you to provide a proof for your accusation. You accusation is here and it very disgustful because it is completely against all of posts. I'm appaled that you stick to lying to prove your point. It is just immoral.
19:10 September 19, 2011 by hackie
@MARILYNVOSSAVANT

You started all the insult. Go back to the thread and read all you have posted so far. I responded to @RobinHood #10 with my post at #13 because I was so annoyed to reach something like that. I did not know he was talking in irony until @Tysknaden #16 made me to realize that. I was planning to apologize to @RobinHood for my #13 post after Tysknaden made me realize that he was talking in irony. I was even expecting @RobinHood to insult me but he did not. He only replied with his #27 post which was kind of funny to me.

You got on my nuts with your #29 post and I replied you softly with my #32 post. You went further with your #35 post which up till now does not make any sense

to me. And the face-off started from there.

What I meant by "It better not to talk at all than using some cynicism or sarcasm that provokes someone". What I meant by that is that the irony or sarcasm is provoking. He should avoid writing in irony. He should have written directly.

And to your question "Whom are you afraid of provoking? The government, MP, Somalis, Muslims, Swedes, commentators, your relatives, Obama, Putin, God, terrorists?" is so annoying. And the answer is the paragraph above.

The point I am making is clearly stated in the video link on #28 and I think RobinHood is ironically making the same point.
19:22 September 19, 2011 by Uncle
Learner2011

"Sweden grained Respect, Love, Admiration and great reputation in the international community for standing up for human rights and supporting others."

Oh, yeah learner. Spot on! the love is seen in the failed suicide bomber in Stockholm. It is seen in the increasing rape stats. It is clear from the burning Swedish flags and attacks on the caricaturist. It is clear from burning cars in Rosengård . It is OBVIOUS from laser attacks on policemen.

You want to save people? Save the oppressed christian minorities from the muslim countries. Save Phillipinos who suffer from the muslim terror. Save Christian Lebanese. Save Christian Sudanese. Save Egyptian christians who are hanging on the trees making Egypt all pretty. Save homosexuals and raped women from Iran and Saudi Arabia. Save albino blacks from Africa. Save girls who are forced to be circumcised by THEIR OWN PARENTS.

Is it not possible to save people who WANT to integrate? Who WILL work and provide for the overall economy? Or do we have to save only those who find job after 7 years on AVERAGE? Do we have to save those who are 25 times more likely to be convicted than the regular swede?

FInally, do we have to save those who suffer because their huge army attacked its neighbours in order to spread the blessing of Islam on others and got their bottom kicked?
19:47 September 19, 2011 by nathan45
This is disgusting say goodbye to your tax dollars sweden and say goodbye to your culture too
19:49 September 19, 2011 by non_white
Why you Europeans are crying so much?? You are reaping what your forefathers sowed.. Your forefathers came to our land and looted us. You came and damaged our culture and even changed our languages. If you need proof just look to south america, North America, south asia and Africa. Don't say we were culture less people and u came to teach your culture to us. We had our own style of culture which were entirely different from you. But you came and destroyed every thing, killed lot of people, made them slaves and looted our resources. Even the proud US guys, just think who is the real owner of your land. Every action has a equal and opposite reaction. Now it is our turn. Within 50 years we will become majority in Europe and within 100 years we will rule Europe. You guys don't waste your time arguing here. Go and enjoy beer and do partying. Also don't do the pain staking process of bringing up new kids. The rest is guaranteed by us... cool... Also we don't care Sweden democrats or if any one else is going to rule Sweden or Europe.
20:08 September 19, 2011 by securityguy
#85 Hackie....you actually had to explain that???/ hahaha
20:26 September 19, 2011 by Tysknaden
@non_white: Tack :-) You are honest, at least!
20:38 September 19, 2011 by gh2008
@Tysknaden,

as it seems that all your posts are fixated on one theme (Muslims). and as you usually use your ultimate excuse to attack Muslims; that they live by welfare and they don't contribute to this country, i have these questions in mind and i would love to get fair answers for them:

you post all day around and almost 24/7, where and when and how do you get the time to do that?

jobless, parasite, has nothing to do but spreading hate, evil-minded little boy comes in mind!

if you know what i mean!!!
20:46 September 19, 2011 by hackie
#89 securityguy

Yea. I had to clear my identity so that the moderators will know that he got what he deserves and they won't end up blocking me from the website.

Again, nice post at #78 :)
21:29 September 19, 2011 by hackie
Very funny post @#93

Well, you are free to say whatever you like. You get no reply from me again.
22:50 September 19, 2011 by Tysknaden
@gh2008: I am living of MY OWN money I worked for. I never needed a cent of Swedish or German taxpayers money. I hope, you can sleep well, now :-) And you should understand: A thread for an aricle like this one has a tendency to deal with Islam and terror. What would you like to speak about, instead? The lousy TV program?

Marilyn! You are so cruel! Most likely you are female :-)
23:58 September 19, 2011 by h2m
@All You missed the big picture.Somali has the second largest coastal line in Afrika and lies in the strategic red sea line that connects with the Indian ocean where a third of world trade routes crosses.It has also other natural resources like oil and vast agricultural land discounted for human resources. The west have then systematical decided to de populated the country and scatter its population across the world. Every time one war lord is finished the west immediately creates another and live goes like that. can you image all war lords are friend to XYZ and enemy among them selves because they got that from the XYZ. The somalis are short sighted and looking for minor benefits. time has come for these people to realize that their land is under threat.take for example in just 15 years the west have received over 1 million somalis more than one million killed in the 20 years conflict another 4000 coming to sweden what is left let me say one million in the dadaab refugee camp going to USA and canada. One one million is left in the home land all of them handicap not able to leave the country. those would be servant for our masters when they come back. Hope somalis will understand this. Do not accuse me of racist just it concerns me a lot
00:06 September 20, 2011 by Uncle
non_white

"Now it is our turn. Within 50 years we will become majority in Europe and within 100 years we will rule Europe."

If I remember correctly no one ever came to Somalia and took whatever you had there. It is a perfect example of what muslims are capable of doing with the country if nobody disturbs them.

As for ruling Europe - this you will do indeed. Not ruling, but destroying and not being able to restore it, as you did with Africa even after the bad, bad white man left.

Who will feed you then? China? Russia? Will you go there to "rule" it like locust after you are done with Europe? Luckily, the countries above are not as PC as the soft europeans. Maybe they will hold for a bit longer.
00:12 September 20, 2011 by h2m
@ all

why we are given so special migration policy if there is no hidden agenda. may be you want to change us as some of you have wished.Or you may may be purely humanitarian as stated in the policy document. You might have lost your mind as we did.One thing am sure is that neighboring Ethiopia do not get that much attention despite having huge problems such as conflict, human right abuse, killing and torture including blocking a fifth of the country from the world and killing and arresting those who attempts to go there as happened to swedes journalist. how ever when it comes to asylum process they should go back to their country the west have not yet decided to abundant Ethiopia and destroy it: it is christian country after all and it accounts for
00:48 September 20, 2011 by Tysknaden
@h2m: You are a fake. This is not okay - whatever the intention may be.
01:07 September 20, 2011 by h2m
@non white

I partially agree with you The great african saying has a place here. we non whites are just following the same resources you have taken from Africa and want our share of it in the short term and re claim in the long run but in peaceful manner in contrary to you past behavior of slavery, culture corruption exportation of your believe. We will have as many kids as possible until we fill the space. negotiation is still possible if you agree to bail out Africa
01:22 September 20, 2011 by Svensksmith
Last week an Italian politician was charged with child abuse because he pulled his kid's hair while in Sweden.

I wonder if the new immigrants will be charged with anything when they mutilate their daughter's clitoris?
01:26 September 20, 2011 by Tysknaden
:-) @h2m: Okay. Take whatever you want. :-)
01:34 September 20, 2011 by esvahnt
4000 somalis after one generation they will have 8 childs for every couple

thats 16000 more swedes citizens

their sons will breed 64000 like them

sweden is really changing

we are being intensivly "enriched "with the culture and race of africa middle east and latin america

very soon we will be a part of them
02:02 September 20, 2011 by Tysknaden
@esvahnt: It's a good deal. This "Nazi"-accusations will finally end,
05:52 September 20, 2011 by ericrufinosiah
I do sympthised with the natives Swedish who could do nothing about the inflow

of Somalian immigrants to their beloved country as the powers would be calls the

shot and I wonder what's the actual reasons for allowing so many thousands of

immigrants into Sweden.? Can someone please provide the answers.
06:35 September 20, 2011 by non_white
@uncle You need to learn history. Then what were British and Italians doing in Somalia??? All these different countries in Africa and Asia are all created by you white people for your convenience. There were no divisions like this before white people colonized it. If you check the problems between different countries you can see a white finger behind it. Check any main problems. like Palestine & Israel, India & Pakistan, and all the problems in Africa. All are created by White people. Now why are you acting like so honest, so helping... How can you sit quiet after creating all this mess... You will also have to taste the bitterness of what you did.
06:41 September 20, 2011 by Njal
Goodbye Sweden nice to have known you. The Last Swede turn off the lights.
06:58 September 20, 2011 by Uncle
non_white

Please teach me history and tell me what British and italians were doing in Somalia? Please inform me.

Because if passing by for a few years does THIS to you, people (in comparison to how many years europeans were in now successful asia or going up south america or east europe), then you definitely deserve where you at. Surely your attack on your neighbours had NOTHING to do with it. You were just a tool in the hand of a white guy. Like retarded children.

Please also tell me how loving and friendly pakistanis and indians were before the evil white guy Tell me how successful Africa was before the white guy.

in majority of armed conflicts in the world muslims are involved. One could of course argue that muslims in general are "white", but it is a bit lame.

Now, what I love about you, is that you do not want to rebuild your countries from the "mess" of white people, the way asians and brazilians did. No, no. You want to create a mess in Europe as a revenge. That is a very sound strategy. THIS will make your situation definitely better. But you see, in the revenge you will have nowhere to go to while whining. Chinese and south americans do not care about what white people "did" to the poor little somalians stories, since they know the truth. What are you going to do next? Just start your favourite hobby - starving and pirating on others from Europe?
10:19 September 20, 2011 by Tysknaden
@Marylinvossavant: All this started with the Mahdi. Khartoum. General Gordon.
11:49 September 20, 2011 by Iraniboy
This forum has been poisioned by a lot of trolls who are paid to post on forums and not people living in Sweden.

@Marilyn,

You are clearly a troll with full of hatred.

You are just wondering about how Swedes act? You probably should wonder for the rest of life. You should live here to realize it. It is the result of combination of high moral values and high education and absolute avoidance in making enemy. This is how Sweden survived the last 100 years. The majority of Swedes don't believe in Islam more than you do but they know and they have seen that if someone pop up to limit Islam today, will limit something else tomorrow!
13:10 September 20, 2011 by Tysknaden
@Iraniboy: "(...)The majority of Swedes don't believe in Islam more than you do but they know and they have seen that if someone pop up to limit Islam today, will limit something else tomorrow!(...)"

Sometimes, you are honest. By accident.
15:20 September 20, 2011 by mafketis
Somali values don't mix well with Swedish ones and it appears that Somalis don't adopt Swedish values no matter how long they live there.

Hasn't anyone noticed this? Or do they just not care?
15:20 September 20, 2011 by Iraniboy
@Tysknaden

I don't understand why you lied about me on post #75 but it was so horrific that I'd rather stop commenting on your posts untill I see thelocal.se removes it.
16:29 September 20, 2011 by godnatt
@iraniboy

You've made enough justifications and excuses for terrorists on here to let everyone know where your loyalties lie and what you think of the safety and well being of you generous hosts.
16:36 September 20, 2011 by jamesblish
Sigh. Somalis don't have a bad rep for no reason.
18:03 September 20, 2011 by mafketis
"Somalis don't have a bad rep for no reason"

I'm sure all they want is to do to Sweden what they've done to Somalia. What's the harm in that?
19:28 September 20, 2011 by Njal
The purpose of the EU was to make us all the same. To 'raise up' immigrants from the third world, whilst simultaneously 'lowering' our standard/expectations to their quality of life. Never mind that our mothers and fathers who came before us worked hard creating countries that were superior in every way, without trying to be (ie. we had better values).

I just don't buy the non-white argument that all that we have (whites) is the product of having once deprived some poor non-white of their freedom/way of life. Africans/Arabs were fighting and enslaving one anotrher long before white man came on the scene. But many non whites find there is something to be gained by touting that tired old argument: 'you stole from us, you killed/enslaved our people!".

How does that logic work when Arabs are enslaving Africans (still happening), or when black politcians sing the 'machine gun song' about killing whites in sourth africa?

To all 'natural' Europeans: the EU is not your friend, any more than the North American free trade agreement is not the friend of Canadians, Mexicans and Americans. Their purpose was to eventually create one currency/society for control. All that each individual country achieved in terms of culture, society, etc was to be sacrificed for control.

Even if we (whites) actually submitted to all of your unreasonable demands and gave you everything we had, your 'unjustified outrage' , would still have demanding more of us.

One day soon whites will pobably want to all move to a single country, where we can just appreciate our culture without having to check and see if we've offended some minority group. But even if that were so, odds on that every non-white would want to immigrate there and through a 'perverse subconcious' destroy that which could sustain them.

Until we all (white and non-white) each possess a greater collective AND indvidual wisdom, then large numbers of whites and non-whites should not live together. Just saying.

Peace
20:17 September 20, 2011 by Iraniboy
This forum has turned into a load of copy and paste from Anders Breivik's manifesto.
21:10 September 20, 2011 by Njal
@Iraniboy

Is that what you really think Iraniboy, or are you just begininng to discover that you're not wanted, so you overcompensate by blaming all the natural citizens as being intolerant rascists?

Your homeland is Iran, which I believe has been pointed out to you before. Go on and give me an argument about how you left Iran to get away from people like me and my 'ilk' to try and portray yourself as a person who respects and cares about tolerance and equality. Those are not traits of the Iranian people as far as I can see, and you Iraniboy, are Iranian.

The only thing you are is an arrogant unwelcome 'guest'. You are also a coward and a quitter. Go back to Iran (from which you fled), create the the society you always upbraid the Swedes as not having, and then when you have achieved this you will no longer carry the tedious baggage of 'hypocrite'. But again, you will not, because Swedish society is far more comfortable. It was not always so, the Swedes forbears had to make it so, wars were fought, problems were overcome, invaders repulsed. Iranians had no part in this, nor do they deserve the benefits of having endured these trials.

Oh and sunshine, not wanting a bunch of foreigners around is a human trait, does not make one rascist yes? Don't bother answering, just go back to iran and take all yout fellow iranians with you.
21:21 September 20, 2011 by Iraniboy
@Njal

Natural citizens? hehe most of our far right wing posters are not even living in Sweden let alone citizen!!!

If only I had met ONE SWEDE within these years who had told me to leave I would do so. But they are begging me to stay. They pay me much and they respect me far more than all Iranians have done combined. So sorry for disappointing you but you should first convince my hosts to tell me to go or at least aske them to treat me less than a king :D
22:29 September 20, 2011 by Uncle
iraniboy

"This forum has turned into a load of copy and paste from Anders Breivik's manifesto"

At least not Al Qaida declaration.
22:43 September 20, 2011 by Njal
@Iranibot - "But they are begging me to stay"

Oh ho! i see you're doing everyone a favour by staying! Right tell me another one, but i call bs! The idea was that you returned to your HOMELAND so you wouldn't be a hypocrite. Never mind what the Swedes may be telling you (not!), leave because you want to make your homeland a better place and so as not to be a hypocrite, whilst telling Swedes what they ought to do according to a hypocrite, THAT was the point. Don't wait for the Swedes to invite you mate ; ).

As for disappointing me, no worries there, my expectations of you never were that high to begin with. Par for course as they say.
23:44 September 20, 2011 by unforgiven
To be honest, I am not happy with what is gonna happen in Sweden. Importing such huge number of uneducated refugees from anywhere is like killing the future of Sweden. Hope we can survive it!

P.S. this iraniboy guy reminds me of his great ancestor "The Iranian president"! he always claims stuff with no proof and in some days it's his circus in the UN! I will laugh so much watching his speech :)))
00:19 September 21, 2011 by Just_Kidding
@Josefin Nilsson: I seems that generous and kind Swedes do exist.. :)
02:34 September 21, 2011 by mcarroll1
My daughter came to work in Sweden but had to leave as she could not get work. All the jobs were either reserved for Swedes (fair enough) or non EU residents, as the Swedish Gov pays the employer 80% of the employee's wages. Why would an employer hire an EU national when he can get a non EU national for 20% of the pay rate. If you want future workers that might be culturally closer to Sweden you might consider reversing this policy or fairer still stop discriminating against EU residents. Many Swedes after all like the freedom to go and work in other EU countries and dont find such impossible odds stacked against them. The other bugbear is renting an appartment- what is wrong with Sweden - its nigh impossible to get a place (again the Gov pays up to 3500 kronor a month to non EU nationals towards rent !!!! but nothing to anyone else including the many many Swedes struggling to make ends meet - Crazy or what)
14:17 September 21, 2011 by sprimusp
Swedes are probably the most tolerant people on earth, they have done enough! It is time to look out for the future of it's own people. As a non Swede who loves Sweden, it is simple: MAKE BABIES! You are all good looking people and have the most beautiful women on the planet!
23:17 September 21, 2011 by TheOchochxina
mistakes... one after another....

SWEDEN!!!, continue this way . . . and you will see whats gonna happen.

Why are you using SWEDISH tax payers (85% of whole population) money to bring more and more people from other countries. instead of spending it on YOUR PEOPLE.

What?! You need more workforce/professionals? Encourage Swedish people to have more kids (More kids = more social benefits).

Swedish or Somali, GUESS which of those two will be a better professional (on average).

Which one of this will pay you more taxes?

Somali which just needs your Asylum MONEY to live here(in most cases), go shopping and just DO NOTHING.

or

Swedish who will work, pay you tax, and live to achieve more.

But you need a big wake up PUNCH in your face, to understand all of this. And be prepared. cause its coming. . . . . .
00:20 September 23, 2011 by esvahnt
at the risk of being called darwinian or some thing so

i would like to remember what gobineau said about the non white races

that rhey where predisposed to submision and laziness

and also to look for the easy and allrready done things
08:22 September 24, 2011 by Aquos
Well, I don't want to sound like an Islamophobic, but I'm just mentioning facts.

I come from a country with Islamic backgrounds and let's look at what happens when the majority become Muslims.

Most countries of the world which adopted Islam in modern ages (and I'm stressing on modern ages, cuz once upon a time Islamic World WAS a center of knowledge)

Sudan: Conflicts between Muslims and Christians, terrible fights which ended up by division.

Pakistan: Very conservative and poor.

Afghanistan: Do I need to mention all the crap there?

Iran: One of the worst oppressive regimes in the world.

Somalia: One of the poorest countries in the world.

Saudi Arabia: You steal, hands are cut and more inhumane laws (BTW, they have no real trails or lawyers....etc)

Entire Arab World: Full of conflicts, fights, poverty, misery and oppression.

So, for those asking to allow Islam to prevail in Europe and the US, could you tell me the benefits of that please?

AND, don't talk about Turkey, Malaysia and Singapore as examples of Islamic countries which achieved some progress. All those countries adopt more liberal lifestyle than Islamic ones.
11:04 September 24, 2011 by astra2thor6
It costs about 50 million kronor per year to support unemployed immigrants. A local representative of the special unit established within arbetsförmedling to find jobs for immigrants said that most Somalis cannot read nor write their own language, so no wonder they have difficulty in learning to read and write Swedish. Many immigrants have not found work after having lived in Sweden for eight years! The Somalis Sweden allows to enter this country are comparatively wealthy as they have to buy tickets to come here; the poor Somalis remain in Somalia. Sweden cannot generate enough new jobs to enable unemployed Swedes to become gainfully employed. Evidently, Sweden has an ageing population. I believe that the Swedish government has a duty to look after its own first! Having lived in the Middle East Sweden will only be storing up dissension and alienation if it continues to allow more Somalis to enter this country. Further, who is going to pay for these additional "refugees2? You, who are employed, and me!
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