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'Ice mosque' to be built near Sweden's Ice Hotel

'Ice mosque' to be built near Sweden's Ice Hotel

Published: 19 Oct 2011 07:52 GMT+02:00
Updated: 19 Oct 2011 07:52 GMT+02:00

“We are open to everything and we practice freedom of religion here in Jukkasjärvi,” said Yngve Bergqvist, CEO of Icehotel, to local paper Norrländska Socialdemokraten (NSD).

Every year the Ice Hotel in Jukkasjärvi, in northern Sweden, builds a church in pure ice that is later gifted to the Church of Sweden during a service on Boxing Day.

The ice church has proved a successful way to reach out to the community and draw in a new crowd. According to NSD, 150 couples from all over the world are married at the church yearly.

Imam Mahmoud Aldebe told the paper he is now hoping that an ice mosque could have the same effect on Islam in the country.

“It’s not actually such a controversial idea. It has been received well with everyone we have spoken to," Aldebe said.

That the mosque would be placed in the same area as the church does not constitute a problem, according to Aldebe.

“It would be a new way of seeking dialogue between different cultures and religions. Perhaps an imam could be there and tell tourists and other visitors what it means to be Muslim,” Aldebe told NSD.

According to Bergqvist, the project would not be aimed at drawing in a new crowd of visitors, but rather to increase the value of the experience for the existing target audience.

“We have visitors from all over the world and many come from places like London or Saudi Arabia. We thought it might be a fun idea, seeing as we already have an ice church,” he told the paper.

It was hoped at first that the project could get underway this year, but according to Bergqvist the ice mosque would see the light of day by next winter at the earliest.

“We are looking into it and it was overly ambitious to believe we could get the project underway this year. We shall see what the future will bring,” Bergqvist told the paper.

TT/Rebecca Martin (news@thelocal.se)

Your comments about this article

08:31 October 19, 2011 by Bushyblondehead
Should have asked me, would have had different answer.
08:32 October 19, 2011 by shahislam
Religions are out of date politics.

Capital punishment is justified against proven direct murderers only. The Mullah portion of the blind Iranian public brought these Mullah heads in power and Saudi Arabian Heads are their idols! We need just one humanitarian UN power to remove these brutal heads without violence.
08:35 October 19, 2011 by Addendum
Wouldn't it be "fun" to not constantly have oppresive philosophies shoved down our throats?
08:51 October 19, 2011 by reader
You will get cold feet when you have to leave your shoes outside.... and will the female Muslims have to go to the smaller room at the back of the Mosque?
09:12 October 19, 2011 by skogsbo
I dream of a day when there is no religion, only common sense and proven science. I think I might be waiting a while longer!
09:19 October 19, 2011 by andyron2
Usually footwear is removed before entering a mosque.

wondering if the people are allowed to wear foot wear inside this ice mosque??
09:32 October 19, 2011 by J Jack
If you can't fix stupid, you make it look appealing.
09:46 October 19, 2011 by Migga
How does having a mosque in the hotel fair with their ambitions to be for gender equality?
09:49 October 19, 2011 by occassional
they won't be short of worshippers that is for sure. plenty about even up there !
09:59 October 19, 2011 by EP
If Swedes are so anti-religion, including anti-Christian, why do you take Sunday and other traditionally Christian holiday's off? Hypocrisy … typically Swedish. Complaining about immigrants but not willing to work more than 3 fikas per day. I don't believe in religion cramming things down other people's throats, but if you preach understanding … at least show it … hypocrisy (again) … a typical Swedish pastime.
10:09 October 19, 2011 by cowboykodp
Awsome idea.

Good for the open minded people of Jukkasjärvi.

Now I see how "europe is waking up". Except not quite the way SD, bigots, and racist hoped it would.

They are waking up to all the lies by all the racist trolls.

Next up, a synagogue. This is what freedom of religion means. You can if you want to.

Besides, all those rich Muslims throughout the US, Europe, and Asia will now come to Sweden and help our economy with some tourist $$$.
10:11 October 19, 2011 by gh2008
good idea!

that might cool things down a bit.
11:57 October 19, 2011 by Åskar
@EP

You confuse anti-religion won non-religious.
12:16 October 19, 2011 by Svensksmith
What about the other world religions...are they to be left out in the cold?
12:49 October 19, 2011 by OUIJA
I would like the ice mosque to cool down Islam in Sweden. Perhaps more than 1000 ice mosques will be needed and then, and only then, Sweden will become to what it was many decades ago. Wishful thinking.
13:34 October 19, 2011 by Roy E
This is just another malicious attempt at cultural encroachment.

With so many useful idiot relativists running about, who can blame them for trying to exploit the situation?
14:04 October 19, 2011 by Scansson
Global Warming Can't Come Soon Enough : )
14:07 October 19, 2011 by soultraveler3
If there's a church there already then why not let them build a mosque and attract more tourists with money?

They'd have to do something special if they're expecting people to take off their shoes, but that could be worked out. Also does migga's question in comment #6 about gender equality matter in this case? There are other mosques in Sweden that keep men and women apart without problem so I'm guessing that it may be protected under some freedom of religion law.
14:22 October 19, 2011 by jvtx3232
"Wouldn't it be "fun" to not constantly have oppresive philosophies shoved down our throats?"

@ Addendum I agree, that would be a lot more fun!
14:54 October 19, 2011 by Vill
Build the Ice Mosque in Pakistan. :o)
14:58 October 19, 2011 by Jes
No , build a church in Saudi Arabia .
15:20 October 19, 2011 by bcterry
"Imam Mahmoud Aldebe told the paper he is now hoping that an ice mosque could have the same effect on Islam in the country."

I'm sure the imam would have no problem if there was a Satanist ice church built right beside his mosque, so it could have the same effect on Satanism in the country.
15:55 October 19, 2011 by Bobafetto08
The SD-bashing AFA Marxist, cowboycodepink exposes once again his/her ugly snout, never missing a chance to smear a democratically elected party. Cowboy, why don't you pack your bags and move to Gaza or Iran where your could put to use your passionate affection for the "religion of peace"? Just pray that you don't have hidden homosexual tendencies that you are unaware of, or find an urge to advocate gender equality, because then you might just might your stay anything but agreeable.
16:04 October 19, 2011 by occassional
Of all the cool ideas...
16:17 October 19, 2011 by Migga
Are homosexuals allowed inside the mosque?

Are women allowed amongst the men?

Equality should always go before the freedom of religion.

When are they building a synagog? A budist temple? A hindu temple?
16:19 October 19, 2011 by cowboykodp
@bobafatass

I don't pack my bags and go because I am not really that bothered by SD, bigot, racist, nazi loving peope like you. I along with 95% of Swedes are disgusted by people like you.

I just like to get a rise out of you fools.

Its fun.

Believe me, you and your trolling buddies are the vermin which will soon be hunted out of extinction.
16:43 October 19, 2011 by shiraz
Tyrants like to use religions (superstition and sorcery and ostentatious display of religion) to extend their reign (ref. to Pisistratus of Athens) along with the use of brute violence and armed force. It is surprising that Sweden would host mosques of ice and try to win over those who sanctify warfare and would attempt to win over their superstitious followers. What the Muslims need is assimilation and education and freedom from their oppressive systems NOT ice mosques.
16:47 October 19, 2011 by bcterry
Believe me, you and your trolling buddies are the vermin which will soon be hunted out of extinction. "

AK-47S
16:58 October 19, 2011 by gh2008
@bcterry,

"AK-47S"

or an F16 with tons of cluster bombs aboard! B52 is even better.
17:40 October 19, 2011 by Bobafetto08
@cowboycodepink - 16:19 October 19, 2011

Wow, really? Tell me, will the AFA trash even aspiring to outdo the four "Greats of socialism" Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot?
18:20 October 19, 2011 by Scansson
Boba Fett...

Awesome Avatar Name & 100% kudos to you on your comment : )
18:54 October 19, 2011 by jvtx3232
"build a church in Saudi Arabia."

@Jes: if someone tried to build a church in Saudi Arabi, the Muslims would burn it down.

But people in Western countries are just supposed to accept the Muslims establishing beachheads for their culture in our countries. And if we don't the self-appointed PC Police label us as "racist."
19:28 October 19, 2011 by bcterry
16:58 October 19, 2011 by gh2008

@bcterry,

"AK-47s?"

or an F16 with tons of cluster bombs aboard! B52 is even better.

Now we're justifying hunting down and extinguishing those who are merely using words to criticize a bigoted, intolerant, violent, fascist ideology, through some far fetched unrelated equivalence.

If you don't like what you hear, simply hunt them down and extinguish.

Islam 101.
20:08 October 19, 2011 by hughknows
'"We have visitors from all over the world and many come from places like London or Saudi Arabia. We thought it might be a fun idea, seeing as we already have an ice church," he told the paper.'

The rationale here is flawed. There are tons of American tourists that go to the Taj Mahal every year. Should you build a baptist church next to it? (Made of white marble?)

Islam moves ever northwards, establishing a cultural and political presence that no other foreign religion currently seeks. I don't understand why this pairing of an ice mosque with the traditional ice-church needs to happen - and if it does, then why Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism etc. are also not included in the equation of culturally relativistic pandering. Let people, tourists included, appreciate the local culture, traditions, religious heritage, whatever, without needing to transplant everything from home to appease people's feelings or make them feel included. It's as bad as those stupid British enclave towns in Spain. I love visiting foreign countries with foreign cultures, I wouldn't dream of imposing upon anyone to purpose build a house of worship for me. People of my particular culture have done the likes of this in the past however, and it's now remembered with disgust as 'the horrors of colonialism'.

If it does go ahead though, perhaps the shoe issue can be solved by allowing snow shoes with an ambiguous sign outside the mosque that says: 'SNO SHOES IN THE MOSQUE.

They could then make an ice-kiosk next door that says 'There's no Ice-pork, we just have Ice-lamb'. Those from the Ice-synagogue could also eat there, but they might have a hell-al of a time accepting that Ice-lamic meat preparation methods had doubtless been observed. When the Buddhist Ice-Stupa is finished they can make a vegetarian ice-hut that sells vegan frozen-fried-rice with frozen peas (non-violently picked and ever-so-gently snap frozen). I truly hope as the climax to all of this there is an ice-mead-hall bigger than all the other structures, where pagans can come and toast the ancient Nordic gods. If this doesn't happen some may feel very upset and violated. :(
20:35 October 19, 2011 by Bobafetto08
@Scansson - 18:20 October 19, 2011

Thanks! ;-)
20:39 October 19, 2011 by calebian22
Cowboy,

No sane Jew would build a synagogue anywhere near a mosque.
20:53 October 19, 2011 by jvtx3232
If they try to build this "ice mosque" then everyone should just tear it down. It can't be built in one day, so every night people should just sneak in with sledge hammers and smash that day's progress. Nip it in the bud from the get-go.
21:54 October 19, 2011 by bcterry
"I don't understand why this pairing of an ice mosque with the traditional ice-church needs to happen "

Because they need to asset their presence (dominance), one up the christians, and you can be damn sure it will tower over the church.

As far as the jews building an ice synagogue, hell, they can't safely walk down the streets of Malvo for christ's sake.

"In a grim and alarming story datelined Malmo, Sweden, tomorrow's edition of The Telegraph reports the flight of Jewish families because of Muslim violence against them. Quoting an 86-year-old widow, a survivor of Auschwitz who came to Malmo 65 years ago, as The Telegraph reports, "half dead from starvation and typhus,"

" 'I never thought I would see this hatred again in my lifetime, not in Sweden anyway,' Mrs [Judith] Popinski told The Sunday Telegraph. 'This new hatred comes from Muslim immigrants. The Jewish people are afraid now."
22:39 October 19, 2011 by loddfafnir
When Christians want to worship they "have to" go to a church. It is not possible (or more really practical) to just drop to their knees and start praying.

I have worked with many Muslims who carry a prayer mat with them. When necessary (and that is several times a day) they excuse themselves, find a quiet room to lay down their mat and make their prayers. Job done!

So why is it so necessary to be "politically correct" to build a Mosque out of ice? How many Muslims would "need it" during their stay at the Ice Hotel anyway? I could well understand the desire to make a large Mosque as a permanent structure, presuming that there is a large population in the area who could be expected to use it (as with any religious structure). But, given that a physical structure would not seem necessary to practice the religion, what would be the point when it will melt back into the river each spring?
22:54 October 19, 2011 by sebwojo
we need a church in mecca saud arabia
00:08 October 20, 2011 by nathan45
@ comment 32 you took the words right out of my mouth this is over political correctness creating an atmosphere for that makes it seem wrong to be anti immigration.

We dont need immigration the world cant support this massive increase of people countrys that have a slightly decreasing or stable polulation should be rewarded.

The only reason we cant down size the economy to meet the polulations needs is because the greedy capitalists want more money? How do you get elected? Big money from big corperations.
00:15 October 20, 2011 by imbad005
@Migga..

ask your women to grow a dick,,.. then i am ready to talk equality..
02:04 October 20, 2011 by Indignerad
Oh my god, a private company in the tourist business doing something that might get them more visitors and earn them more money. Shocking!

Your life must be really perfect otherwise, if you're bothered by this.
04:24 October 20, 2011 by Jan Svenson
I am so offended, when will this politically correct wimps grow a spine. Islam is not part of the nordic experience. You people miss the point of the nordic experience. Next disneyland will open up out on the tundra.
04:40 October 20, 2011 by jl1995
@ Hughknows

Great rational and thinking. Along those same lines, if someone wants to experience REAL muslim culture and religion, then travel to a real islamic country. It is really easy and cheap to fly. No need to experience some quasi-form of subtle of muslim colonialism.

If I travel to a foreign country to experience its culture like Japan for instance, I don't want to see a bunch of mexican restaurants and mariachi bands outside a buddhist temple. I don't go to a Japense restaurant and expect to be served by real japanese in traditional grab. Not some cuacasian or Filipino dressed to look like a japanese. This is NOT diversity.

I don't want to go to a Ice Church and hear some muzzein making a call to prayer at this ice mosque and fears that I am entering a "Sharia" zone nad have to empty out my hot toddy drink to comply. Multiculturalism is stealing my ethnicity and culture...or at least diluting it.
07:09 October 20, 2011 by lewni
Seriously ?! Why why why....
07:13 October 20, 2011 by bells on the knight
geez. someone is smoking something. what an absurd idea.
08:34 October 20, 2011 by rise
I hope people are gonna stand ready with flamethrowers when it's been built - to melt it down again. Filth!
08:37 October 20, 2011 by skogsbo
I will point out first I'm a totally atheist. But, if you want a good read for a few weeks, Bernard Lewis's 2000 years of middle east history is pretty good at giving you some background. I read it whilst working out there for while, it shows the birth of islam and it's impact through the centuries.

It's certainly the cleverist main stream religion so far, but being one of the last to be created the developer was able to learn from others mistakes. You take an existing religion which has had previous messenger, then create the last prophet, swearing there will be no more prophets, you then condemn all other non believers etc.. cunning plan to control the people me thinks, when your inspired messenger can't be replaced with another. Even when it came to Mosques, they knew they were up against it at Jerusalem, so they built a massive new mosque on what was then the high ground over looking the place, completely over shadowing any of the other faiths buildings, dominance? this is now one of their most holy places. All very good tactics for controlling and dominating the people. All created and developed from the thoughts of a few people!

In my view all religions are cults, some are just more popular than others. The world would be much more peaceful place without them. Plus, logically they can't all be correct in what they beleive, so logic says there is no religion.
12:29 October 20, 2011 by comentatir
A nutcase throws a stone into a well, a hundred wise men tries to get it out...

Thats the summary of this discussion...
21:03 October 20, 2011 by Njal
Solution: build a large bonfire next to idiotic ice mosque.
21:50 October 20, 2011 by dreddie
Better solution: Build an ice brothel in front of it.
03:44 October 21, 2011 by Smiling Canuk
Didn't realize that the Malmo suburbs where extending that far north.
15:04 October 21, 2011 by hatim
I think if you ask a true moderate muslim, they would discourage the building of this mosque.

First it would be for more or less show purposes.

Any money spent on maintaining it should rather be sepent on maintaining a real mosque or if not then a real community center. If that is not the case just donate it to any other charity working for well being of humans (not just muslims)

The first mosque was made out of mud, and tree leaves. It was a community and learning center. All the grand mosquees were later built by people trying to stroke their egos.
21:04 October 21, 2011 by nathan45
This is crazy the government of Sweden reported that after 3 years only 50% of immigrant men and 1 in 5 immigrant women have jobs. Why should we invite them to build "ice mosques" in our nations we dont even need them.

educated western immigrants are a good thing though.
05:16 October 22, 2011 by msaliassweden
It is crazy how many churches there are in Sweden and no one attends. It would be nice to see a Mosque built, as least there will be people using it.
15:48 October 22, 2011 by Value
@msaliassweden

It would be much more naturally if the Swedes attended their own churches instead of handing over their country to the muslims.
20:45 October 22, 2011 by Scansson
Also, if it rains, I hope there is a high salt content, this will also help trim it down faster : )

Now I know why there is no pork allowed... high salt content.
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