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'Sweden is not gender equal': minister

'Sweden is not gender equal': minister

Published: 08 Mar 2012 11:33 GMT+01:00
Updated: 08 Mar 2012 11:33 GMT+01:00

“This is the reality that we live in. We see it at home, at school, in the work force, in health care and social services. It is not equal and that the citizens are this aware of it is a good thing,” Nyamko Sabuni said to the paper.

Sweden has been consistently listed as among countries considered most gender equal, however a recent survey by pollsters YouGov for the Metro newspaper have shown that the Swedish public does not agree.

80 percent of the people surveyed claimed that they felt Sweden was not a country of gender equality, which prompted Sabuni to comment.

"Household services could be expanded with a focus on families with small children until the children start school, for example. It is also possible to simplify the gender equality bonus to encourage families to share," she said.

Meanwhile, 20,000 more women got jobs in Sweden in 2011 than the previous year, according to new figures from the Swedish National Employment Office (Arbetsförmedlingen). This is largely stemming from extra employment for women in the health sector.

“There is a problem if fewer workers must support more. If more women are given the opportunity to increase their working hours, we avoid perhaps having to work until we are 75,” said Joseph Lannemyr of the agency to the paper.

Employment amongst women increased mostly for those born outside of Europe, according to employment office. However, up to 11 percent of this group is still stuck working part time, despite wanting full time work.

According to the Metro survey, the majority of those surveyed responded that gender equality could be reached most effectively by raising the wages in female dominated occupations.

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12:29 March 8, 2012 by RobinHood
When it comes to gender equality, Sweden is either the best in the world, or somewhere near it. Anyone who disagrees really should get out more. It's good to strive to be better, but not by putting a disproportionate burden on the taxpayer, which would be inevitable consequence of some of the wackier schemes put about by feminists and the Left.

A neutral evaluation of gender equality in Sweden should give the Swedes a pat on the back for doing so well, and some gentle encouragement to do better. Compared with everybody else, good job Sweden.
12:32 March 8, 2012 by fikatid
@Robinhood: Totally agree with you. I think Sweden has done a very good job already.

Afterall, it's not possible to have 100% gender equality unless women and men are physically and emotionally identical.
12:39 March 8, 2012 by nar klockan klamtar
More of the feather picking syndrome, commonly known as social engineering.
12:45 March 8, 2012 by swedejane
What are the "female dominated occupations" mentioned in the article? I know a number of female engineers, software developers, etc. And they make good money! If you go into babysitting or caring for the elderly you can't expect to be compensated at the same level as an engineer...it just doesn't make sense.
12:47 March 8, 2012 by bells on the knight
and who gives a rats a@@. why not try to change earth's rotation as well
12:51 March 8, 2012 by aveminus
surveys are the most useless info.

I hardly know anyone who gives a survey seriously. They just tick randomly :)

One the gender equality issue I think @Robinhood is absolutely right.
13:31 March 8, 2012 by lilsocks
I would be interested to see how many people and of what gender actually answered the poll, was it 10 people with 8 being women?
13:45 March 8, 2012 by philster61
Of course its not equal. Women have far more more rights than men in Sweden....
13:50 March 8, 2012 by Lotus2035
Engineers should get paid more than nurses because their work requires a much higher level of expertise.

Just because the majority of those who work in such areas are male doesn't mean women are being discriminated against. If you want more money become an engineer!

If such work doesn't interest you then maybe you aren't the right type for the job, maybe you aren't technically minded, maybe you are too lazy, not ambitious enough, there could be a million reasons why you should never be as well paid as an engineer and none of those reasons will have anything to do with your gender. Maybe the problem is you!
15:23 March 8, 2012 by Puffin
@Lotus2035

Do you really think that people who work in healthcare and caring jobs- taking huge responsibility are "lazy" and "no ambitious" ?? Are you really sure that these attitudes come from the 21st century

It's OK for a midwife who takes sole responsibility for delivering babies after a 4½ year University training to be paid less than the high school educated technician who repairs the equipment she uses??

Even where people are doing the same job with identical training it is not uncommon for women to be paid less in individualised pay negotiations!!
15:24 March 8, 2012 by acidcritic
Those who figth for absolute gender equality forget that is impossible to absolutely equalize the genders. Just becouse genders are not equal by nature and we cannot go against natural laws. Qualities and strenghs of women and men are complementary, not contradictory. Robinhood is rigth, the only thing we can do is to guarantee equal opportunities to all, men and women and, in this regard, Sweden is the most advanced country.
15:25 March 8, 2012 by skogsbo
if she thinks it is bad here, try anywhere else in the Western World, she clearly has no idea and is proof of why she should haven't the job she has.

Men and women will never have equal numbers in every job, for the simple reason we are different, physically and mentally. You can spout equal whatever all you like, but it's the truth, you can't change or hide it.
16:21 March 8, 2012 by JLondon
I look at this in a completely different view.

On basis that quality is the same, then salary should be the same regardless of gender. But quality is not the same, thus salary has to be lower/higher.

Example:

Birgit Prinz - Cristiano Ronaldo (Ronaldo is better, so should be paid more)

When females start producing the same quality, then salary can be equal.

Larry Page & Sergey Brin (Google), Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook),Jeff Bezos (Amazon).... the list could go on and on...but until there is the equivilanet skill or quality, in fairness, then and only then, should salary be the same.
17:31 March 8, 2012 by k2kats
"Equality" is not synomous with "similarity." It's about equal opportunity despite differences.

Although Sweden made strides in gender equity long before other countries, the news and comments at this website show there is still enormous room for improvement. Brava to Minister Nyamko Sabuni for working on this.
17:40 March 8, 2012 by Greysuede
Sensation! Big Issue!
18:47 March 8, 2012 by inthenovel
How about racial equality? Does that count for anything in Sweden?
19:09 March 8, 2012 by OUIJA
Gender equality will never be achieved, because feminists will never allow it. As an eye-opener, read the following feministic "thoughts".

"In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them." (Dr. Mary Jo Bane, assistant professor of education at Wellesley College)

"The end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and not to live individually with men...("The Declaration of Feminism," November 1971).

"The simple fact is that every woman must be willing to be identified as a lesbian to be fully feminist." ( Sheila Cronan, National NOW Times, Jan.1988)

" "We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage." - from Sisterhood Is Powerful, Robin Morgan (ed), 1970, p.537.

"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage" (Sheila Cronan, 1988 Houston National Organization for Women {NOW} Conference for Women.).

"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." ....(Catherine MacKinnon - Prominent feminist scholar at the University of Michigan and Yale)

"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig" "Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." (Andrea Dworkin).

"A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, 'even if she does not feel forced.' Judith Levine

"The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness...can be trained to do most things." Jilly Cooper, SCUM (Society For Cutting Up Men.)

"In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent." Catharine MacKinnon, quoted in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies.

"When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression..." Sheila Jeffrys.

MALE:...represents a variant of or deviation from the category of female. The first males were mutants...the male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female. From 'A feminist Dictionary; ed. Kramarae and Triechler, Pandora Press, 1985:

"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex." Valerie Solana, SCUM Manifesto (Society for Cutting Up Men.)
21:27 March 8, 2012 by Gamla Hälsingebock
If Swedish women find that they are not equal to men then the "gender minister" should be replaced with a man.

Men just don't talk about polls they change reality!

Get rid of her, she is just taking a check and not giving what she is being paid for.

Right guys? LOL
21:36 March 8, 2012 by Roy E
As 'equality minister', she's clearly engaged in a conflict of interest.

This is the common denominator between all those with careers in the grievance industry. They will never put themselves out of a job.
21:51 March 8, 2012 by muscle
true...its not high in gender equality. females have more rights than men here. Men are now becoming females in order to earn more or equal rights. shops, stores filled with products for women... you enter some store.. and you wonder if you entered a girls only store :S.....all the time females talk about equality men it comes to carry the groceries bags.. its a man's job!

a guy can not even have sex with his girlfriend without her consent, because she reports him to the police.. :( see the trauma the guys are going through...sigh....

most of the time, you see women smoking here, while the men try to remain clean because their girlfriends dont like THEM to smoke.. what the hell :)
22:02 March 8, 2012 by OUIJA
Feminist is a woman who having failed as such tries to be successful as a man.

Pitigrilli (1893-1975)Italian writer

An authentic woman, a true woman, is, above all, a woman who is not feminist.

Sacha Guitry (1885-1957)French dramatist

The thought could no be avoided that the best home for a feminist was in another person's lab.

James Dewey Watson (1928- )US geneticist

In the name of gender equality, the minister should go a fly a kite.

If we still does not understand that Swedish is a feministic, communistic state, we are doomed.
09:03 March 9, 2012 by Marc the Texan
It's ideas like these that really illustrate how illiterate the population is when it comes to economics.

"According to the Metro survey, the majority of those surveyed responded that gender equality could be reached most effectively by raising the wages in female dominated occupations."

Raising wages in "female dominated occupations" will only cause more qualified males to compete for those same positions. Thereby making them less female dominated. Definitely not the way to solve this perceived problem.
09:52 March 9, 2012 by Central European
In my country is at mom running an advertising which trying help gender /salaries equality on comparing wages of IT specialist and bankers with nurses and social helpers with question " What do you respect(need) more ?"

Crzy on this is idea, that bankers and IT specialist are the men only and all social workers ans nurses are women..... first picture is nurse saving your lives with 20,000 monthly and IT saving your data at 50,000 ?)

http://www.genderstudies.cz/fotogalerie/fotografie.shtml?cmd[2824]=x-2824-2318725

second is a teacher in kindergarten with 20,000 and bloody banker with 50,000

http://www.genderstudies.cz/fotogalerie/fotografie.shtml?cmd[2824]=x-2824-2318724

Typical counter - productive and demagogical propaganda with good but poor women and bad and rich man
17:24 March 9, 2012 by OUIJA
Gender equality will never be achieved. You can never mix apples with bananas. So simple. We are born different, have been different and will stay different, unless men allow feminism to win the war of the sexes and the erradication of the family and the disappearence from men for the earth's surface.

It is not possible than a woman makes equal money for a job, not even if they work in the same place. Just think about this:

A man working at a brick factory, makes USD100 dollars a day, carryng 200 bricks every hour.

Do you think than a woman could be paid the same amount when she would be able to carry only 75 bricks every hour, because she is not as strong as the man?

No way.

If a woman works in the same place as a man, produces the same in the same amount of hours, then, and only then, she should be entitled to the same salary.

Feminist aim has been to destroy the family and to delete men from all possible areas. That is their ultimate goal.
18:01 March 9, 2012 by Max Reaver
Come on, if the results of the poll is published by Metro, then you know to view it sort of critically. By asking the right kind of questions you can get any data you want.
20:58 March 9, 2012 by OUIJA
You are right Max Reaver. By asking the questions in an inducive way, you can get any data you want. And this is a fact. The results of any poll can produce the results you want and not the real ones.

And about the minister, Gender Equality will be never achieved. I hope she reads this.
08:32 March 11, 2012 by rise
The good minister probably just wishes a Swede to be a Hermaphrodite. Or at the very least that one should behave like an androgyne.

I think the real wish is for a man to be a woman and of course a woman to be a woman. And all there ever was were women. And Sweden became the country of bitches. Amen.
22:51 March 14, 2012 by VicTaulic
How much does she make?
08:38 March 15, 2012 by OUIJA
And Sweden became the country of beaches? I thought it was already. Something missing? Or, wrong spelling.
15:50 March 30, 2012 by ferdio
She is right! Yes, with the 'Hen' everywhere chasing the real men out of the picture towards extinction, well, you can only agree with her that 'Sweden is not gender equal'.

You can only talk about gender equal where gender is respected, because there is in fact 'No more legal term as 'Gender' but 'Hender' in Sweden, No thanks to the feminist dictators, who ironically wants to retain their 'feminine', while striping men their right to be 'masculine' or are they?
07:11 April 7, 2012 by Khaliil
If the negative comments about this article were made by men of a non western culture, westerners would say that that culture is backward & should be destroyed.

Seems oppressive men are found everywhere.
17:46 April 7, 2012 by salalah
Who cares... women should not try to be like men... and this article comes from a man dressed up as a woman with braids in his hair...
05:41 April 18, 2012 by Da Goat
Salalah you will find it is indeed a Aesthetically Challenged woman not a man but we should not discriminate on being facially impaired!
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