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Sweden braces for asylum application spike

Sweden braces for asylum application spike

Published: 04 May 2012 08:56 GMT+02:00
Updated: 04 May 2012 08:56 GMT+02:00

Previously, the Swedish Migration Board (Migrationsverket) estimated that 31,000 people would seek asylum in Sweden this year.

But in a forecast submitted to the government on Thursday, the agency raised its forecast by nearly 10 percent, estimating 34,000 asylum seekers will come to Sweden by the end of 2012.

The agency also expects a greater number of immigrants from Somalia to come to Sweden on the basis of family ties and has thus requested an increase in funding from the government.

"We've seen for a long time that there is an increase underway and there is continued unrest in Afghanistan and Somalia," said Oskar Ekblad, division head for asylum cases at the Migration Board, told the TT news agency.

According to the agency's new forecast, there have been more asylum seekers from Afghanistan and Somalia this year compared to the same period in 2011. There has also been an increase in the number of people from Syria seeking asylum in Sweden.

In addition, a migration court ruling from January that makes it easier for family members of recently arrived refugees to stay in Sweden is expected to cause more family members of recently arrived refugees from Somalia to seek residency in Sweden.

While the Migration Board had previously estimated it would receive 18,500 applications from Somalia last year, it now expects to receive 20,000 applications in 2012.

"Sweden is clearly becoming a destination country," said Ekblad.

The agency also expects an increase in labour immigration in 2012.

As a result of the expected increase in refugee and immigration applications, the Migration Board has requested additional funding of 65 million kronor ($9.6 million)for this year, and 214 million kronor for 2013.

"We need to be able to receive and assess the applications," said Ekblad.

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09:38 May 4, 2012 by karex
The increased costs are only to cover administration of the requests. I would like to see what the burden to our taxes will be to provide food, shelter and other needs
10:39 May 4, 2012 by occassional
The pre-emptive cringe in on.

What next, advertising on Al-Jazeera?
11:01 May 4, 2012 by bourgeoisieboheme
Well I'm sure they are all highly educated and will be valuable members of society that will contribute to the tax base and increase economic output. After all, a country would be insane to bring in people that will not add to the overall health and welfare of its own population. Sweden is not insane is it?
11:08 May 4, 2012 by towns
Sweden seems to have been getting 30,000+ asylum seekers consistently every year for the last few years now.

In 2010 according to Eurostat, Sweden had 31,875 asylum seekers, the only EU countries that had more were Germany at 48,490 and France at 52,725. This is especially interesting since Germany has about 9 times the population of Sweden and France approximately 7 times. The UK, which has between 6 to 7 times the population of Sweden actually had fewer asylum seekers (23,715).

Just to compare with the rest of the Nordic Countries, Sweden had 31,875 asylum seekers in 2010 vs. 10,025 for Norway, 5,070 for Denmark, 3,090 for Finland and 35 for Iceland (Iceland's data is for 2009).

Perhaps the best example of all this is Södertälje, which has taken in more asylum seekers from Iraq than Canada and the United States combined, even though Canada and the United States have 340+ million people combined vs. Södertälje's approx. 65,000.
11:17 May 4, 2012 by Rishonim
What about repairing the heaps of Pothole all around town? We are bringing in people with archaic ideology and who will never integrate into any European society? There are other wealthier nations like Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and most of the gulf countries which could shoulder the responsibility of assisting "these socially displaced individuals" This madness have to stop. I am paying money which goes to support most of these irrational people, yet the moment I walk out the street wearing my Kippah I get harassed by these same people. Our government need to take a stand and stop pretending to the world to be goodie goodies. I equate this to the introduction of the snakehead fish in Maryland...
11:20 May 4, 2012 by Kublai
Migrationsverket are actually saying that they expect a total of 174000 immigrants from mainly Somalia and Afghanistan this year. 34000 asylum seekers and the rest they class as family/dependents/relatives and some they call jobseekers. And knowing a little about Migrationsverkats previous estimations we can safely add another 20% to the 174000 I think. Like a lottery win for Sweden.
11:58 May 4, 2012 by apelsin000
As I can't say dirty words, i will say nothing.
12:24 May 4, 2012 by Dazzler
In general, its hard to find a more worthless group of people than Somalis.

I really don't understand the need to import people that will not conform to societal norms.
13:06 May 4, 2012 by summerboy
@ occassional thank u.

It is obvious that many whom are commenting about this report don't understand administrative politics. Please read in between the lines and don't swallow the hook-line-and-sinker.
13:52 May 4, 2012 by bcterry
"Sweden is the best Islamic state now," imam Adly Abu Hajar told Reuters.
13:56 May 4, 2012 by libertarianism
Re 4, "...Södertälje, which has taken in more asylum seekers from Iraq than Canada and the United States combined, even though Canada and the United States have 340+ million people combined vs. Södertälje's approx. 65,000."

It's also estimated that between 11-and-12 million people in the U.S. are illegal/undocumented immigrants, with the largest percentage of these individuals being from Mexico, then Central America, and Asia.

The U.S. differentiates between the terms assylum seeker and refugee. In 2010, the U.S. accepted 73,293 refugees and 21,113 assylum seeker.

The largest number of refugees came from Iraq, 18,016; followed by Burma, 16,693; and Bhutan, 12,363. Large numbers also came from Somalia, Cuba and Iran.

The largest number of asylum seekers, 6,683, came from China, followed by Ethiopia, 1,093; and Haiti, 832.

I think it's unethical and a gross abuse of human rights and power for Sweden to serially neglect the sick and elderly, leaving people to suffer and die, so that the State may instead buy (import, house, feed, clothe, educate, etc.) laborers.

And as others have said, where's Saudi charity? The Saudis are pumping millions into U.S. universities for Islam theology. Surely then there should be money to help their brothers and sisters in need, eller? Haven't the Saudis built mosques in Sweden? Why don't they build and furnish apartments or schools, hospitals, etc. as well or instead? What do the wealthy Islamic states do for refugees and asylum seekers? Do they take in Buddhists, Christians, Hindu, and all other varieties of faith like Western nations?

Enough is long past enough.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43442030/ns/us_news-life/t/us-system-refugee-asylum-seekers-explained/
15:20 May 4, 2012 by bourgeoisieboheme
Ahh... the 21st century version of the Crusades, except the tables are turned.
16:02 May 4, 2012 by DAVID T
Can't wait to greet them - It's really strange - you never see Chinese people rioting, cutting off heads, making women slaves
16:06 May 4, 2012 by bcterry
16:02 May 4, 2012 by DAVID T

Can't wait to greet them - It's really strange - you never see Chinese people rioting, cutting off heads, making women slaves "

They're too busy integrating and working their a$$es off.
16:35 May 4, 2012 by godnatt
Half of whom will be bearded 35 yr olds with 10 rapes already under their belt claiming to be orphaned children ...

Who will of course all be living on your tax dollars shortly.
17:25 May 4, 2012 by Thebinary1
As an immigrant myself, its time to level the playing field a bit a be more extreme in the counterweight. Its time for Jimmi Åkesson to get enough votes and gain the position of Immigration Minister.
18:27 May 4, 2012 by muscle
:(:(:(:( my work permit application still hasnt been decided yet... its been over 4.5 months now.. hmm i hope this will not send it to futher delay
19:08 May 4, 2012 by ctinej
Malignant Breeders is what they are. Destroying not only Sweden, but the entire planet. 8 kids each is not uncommon. Mandatory sterilization should come with immigration.

Better yet is send money and aid to their country to help them. Helping them run from the problems they have created does not solve anything.

Soon Sweds will be asking for any country to take them as asylum seekers due to the islamifactation of Sweden.
19:40 May 4, 2012 by me_i_sverige
#5 "yet the moment I walk out the street wearing my Kippah I get harassed by these same people" . Very well said. I, too, have experienced it. Most of these people do not cherish and appreciate the fact that this land (SWEDEN) has given them a safe place to live when they're in trouble, instead, they have an attitude as if it were their birth-right to be here. I know many pro-assylym seeker would reject me saying I'm one of those right-winger. But hey, as an ordinary citizen, I would perceive what happens in my neighborhood and I'm not happy with what is happening here. This is not just about living here, every Swede is supporting them with their tax-money. Don't they have right to say their feeling?

I think it will only benefit Sweden Democrates in the long run, who could incash this uncontrolled trend of immigration (mainly asylum-seekers). We don't have to look very far for example. Look at Denmark, France, the Netherlands. Sweden is heading the same way, a sad way.
20:37 May 4, 2012 by Greysuede
Somalia

Iraq

Iran

Syria

all Afrika

all Middle East

etc.

the same crowd same countries the same people as usual for centuries...

I can hardly call these as nations...
21:24 May 4, 2012 by Iraniboy
Oh dear! A lot of hatred here from people who are not even living in Sweden let alone being a Swede!! Time for thelocal to ban non-Swedish IPs perhaps!
21:46 May 4, 2012 by bcterry
21:24 May 4, 2012 by Iraniboy

Oh dear! A lot of hatred here from people who are not even living in Sweden let alone being a Swede!! Time for thelocal to ban non-Swedish IPs perhaps! "

Oh dear!

Poor Iraniboy, threatened by freedom and free speech,

and now he wants to incorporate a ban on both.

Guess he misses all those dictatorial "qualities" from the homeland.
22:23 May 4, 2012 by Iraniboy
@bcterry

I have no problem people saying that in non-Swedish websites. I am afraid some people here are expressing their views based on the rat-holes they are living in. In Sweden with its glorifying freedom of speech, such views and approach are considered backward and inhuman expressed by very uneducated people. So then people here will argue if education system has provided high standards education for that person or not!
22:43 May 4, 2012 by Navras
I come from India to study (do my masters here). I was working in Microsoft India,left the job to Masters@Kth.

At the end of 2years,I find no hope in getting a good job( Applied for dozens of companies,all rejected).

It seems that only people from muslim countries /africa/west asia are wanted in sweden where govt is giving them benefits while hindus,buddhist from asia are not even given fair chance.

I have personally felt that :Swedish company dont even look at my resume!!

Sweden is bracing up to big problems in future.........I hope swedish peple dont want sharia law which is almost part of london culture..
00:04 May 5, 2012 by godnatt
@ Navras

You are completely correct.

You should instead pretend to be an illiterate Somali or Afghani with no skills to offer other than Islamic fundamentalism and gang raping and the Swedish government will support you and your entire family for the rest of your life.

Wouldn't possibly make more sense to use the money to partner with companies to co-finance an entry level job and find some way to keep valuable people like yourself instead would it?
01:14 May 5, 2012 by hawkeye ajustralia
Why is someone, who is concerned that where Muslims make up 12% (as of now) of the French population, they make up 70% of the prison population is a "racist"?

And he may be a teensy bit concerned that there are now 650 No-go areas that are for Muslims only, in France where any government or emergency vehicle is attacked with fire-bombs .Download the list of Zus: ZUS_FR_SGCIV_20100701.xls

And the gas used in the fire bombs will surely be paid for by the French welfare system.

It's all really moot though because the fact is that Sweden, France and the rest of Europe will have Muslim majority cities in most of Europe in 25 years because of Muslims out breeding their hosts and the white flight overseas.Of course that will mean the Sharia Law will not be an option.Yep you will soon see "all those P.C. "all cultures are equal and let anyone in who wants in" anti-American European lefties queuing up at the U.S. consul for permanent visas to their great Satan...America!
04:03 May 5, 2012 by Greysuede
OMG I didn't mention the champions from India and Pakistan !

Why wouldn't you guys just go to England to the country of your masters to study over there?
04:18 May 5, 2012 by Los Lubricano
You are screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
05:51 May 5, 2012 by TheWatchman
@Rishonim

It must be horrible to be a Jew in Sweden, you directly suffer by the admittance of these asylum seekers :(

@Navras

Peaceful Buddhists and Hindus aren't given a chance because they aren't violent barbaric peoples from countries living in the 1200's. That's why, my friend.

@hawkeye ajustralia

You are only too correct, and that's an interesting statistic. I didn't know that. Thanks.
06:33 May 5, 2012 by Kublai
Iraniboy - the eternal defender of the religion of hate. The eternal defender of every muslim rapist and murderer. The eternal defender of jihadist terrorist acts where they slaughter innocent women and children. Iraniboy, the man who hates white people more than anything on this planet.
09:15 May 5, 2012 by Iraniboy
@Kublai

The reason why you and your co-posters associate rape, murder, terrorism to one religion and not others is merely your blind hatred toward that religion otherwise all beliefs have such records but a healthy mind doesn't associate these crimes to them.
09:27 May 5, 2012 by Navras
@Greysuede

Please Don't equate India with Pakistan.

India is majority Hndu and we follow the rule of law;nor do we have any wish to create our religious law in sweden.

@godnatt

I will go back and join Facebook,Google,Amazon India and later transfer to usa offices .USA is the most indian friendly country.

But I have great admiration for sweden,the swedish people and have obligation to every swedish tax payers for giving us the free education.

An average indian is better off than these immigrants from war torn country;We can find good jobs back in India where our economy is growing.

According to OECD ;Sweden tops the world with top aid donor country as % of GDP.

Good karma wont bring your nation down...No other country is helping these inflicted people and sweden is the only ray of hope for them.

With good education ;most of them will become swedish ;get integrated into swedish society!!
10:00 May 5, 2012 by me_i_sverige
@Navras: "With good education ;most of them will become swedish ;get integrated into swedish society!!" Your statement is true to those people who understands the power of education but these people (most of them) are more interested in producing more babies (for child allowance & religious reason) rather than producing less babies and giving them proper care, guidance and motivating to excel rather than harassing other people in their locality, tunnelbana, etc.

However, we have already seen the trend, this is not going to happen and it could be one of the reason why their countries are always in trouble. When they have fail to materialize the opportunities they get in a first world, how on earth they would have done in their own country.

I remembered a joke we used to say when we were small. "What happens if we were to swap our country with Japan, the answer was, in a decade we would make Japan our country and the Japanese would turn our country like Japan".

The point here is that if something extraordinary is not done, these 4-5% people have potential to turn the whole first-world society to third-world. If you don't believe me look at Rinkeby, Rosengård, Tingbjerg (Denmark) and other spreading Ghettos of Europe. The other big danger of these rising ghettos is that it would prosper extreme right-wingers in Europe and it seems these extreme left-wingers has never understood this simple fact.
10:08 May 5, 2012 by towns
@ Navras

You might also want to consider moving to Canada as well. Canada has always been (generally speaking) more stable than the USA and is always looking for well-educated immigrants. There are also large communities of people who are either immigrants from India or their descendants living in major cities like Vancouver and Toronto.
10:39 May 5, 2012 by hughknows
@ Iraniboy

You're right that there is a lot of ill-feeling, (and sometimes abuse which may need to be individually removed) in many posts. You're also right that a majority of it comes from ex-pats and English-speaking non-Swedes, which is because, um, well... 'The Local' is a news service that translates Swedish news stories for English speakers. Why should the readers be Swedish?? There are still however, some commenters who are clearly Swedish and with the same sort of views, ranging from anti-immigration or anti-Islam to downright racist. You obviously want to be a beacon of light amongst these posters, spreading the word about Swedes being great, liberal, tolerant people, and discouraging xenophobia. Fair enough.

So then, why are you suggesting a Swedish-democrat style policy for the 'The Local'? Consider for a moment the difference between banning foreign IP-addresses because of the negative statements of some foreign posters, and banning immigration because of the actions of some immigrants? That's right; there is no difference. You often talk of what is truly Swedish and what is not, surely your suggestion isn't!
10:42 May 5, 2012 by Navras
@me_i_sverige The concerns are grave for swedish society.But Sweden is too left and dont seem to understand the futuristic problems..one of the solution is to enforce uniform civil law and limit the child allowance to 2. As a nation state,sweden should follow immigration policy of usa,canada. Sweden will lose competitiveness in technology if the ethinc swedish % population decline.

@ towns we are so many everywhere except sweden.........Its too cold and even curry cant keep us active:P

@Iraniboy. I think Irani people are least religious ;they are more persian than muslims which make them peaceful to swedish ethos..
10:42 May 5, 2012 by Iraniboy
@Navras

You are confusing two completely different issue! Sweden admits refugees based on humanitarian and moral grounds but Swedish companies are private and they do not give jobs based on humanitarian grounds! So the comparison of these two is completely irrelevant.

You said you a second year year Master's student. You haven't yet finished your studies and you expect a job right now?! You may need to spend half a year to one year to find a suitable job in Sweden especially if you cannot speak Swedish. It is common sense that a 9 millions population country offers less jobs than other bigger countries.

If you really think Swedes should make a different between someone coming from Pakistan and India, you are very wrong! It is against widely accepted morals and standards in Sweden.
10:55 May 5, 2012 by Navras
@Iraniboy

If you read my post ,then you will know about my work experience.

I am very selective about the companies I want to work with..

Although I am learning svenska,but I dont think,the companies where I want to work needs it. I don't wish to apply for 100 road side companies.Unlike Iran ,my country is a democratic fast growing country with technology services driving the economy.

I do understand the last statement with respect to india and pakistan,but it was answered with context to ghettification of sweden by installing its own religious rules
11:21 May 5, 2012 by Iraniboy
@hughknows

I didn't suggest IP ban based on the negativity of their comment. I suggested it based irreverence of their comments. One can make such comments in an international forum but not her. Imagine a computer forum and someone talking about politic. As far as I'm concerned thelocal.se is a regional website suitable for people living in Sweden or having a relation with Sweden. I find it hard to digest why someone living in British Columbia or Tel Aviv who has never traveled to Sweden should come and comment or a regional news report.

By the way it is part of liberal culture to stand firm against those who spread hatred and try to domenate the minorities. Apart from that I believe some the comments I have read here are criminally liable according to Swedish laws.

@Navras

Yes! Many Iranians especially those living abroad are non-religious. I find religion a personal matter as long as peopel avoid enforcing their beliefs on others. And yes I think India has a much higher economic growth and also lower Human Development Index than Iran but I find it totally irrelevant in this context I'm afraid.

Well I'm sure you have good experience but are sure that there weren't similar Swedish speaking candidate for that job?! Even though the work may not need any language skill but an employer considers it in a bigger perspective. In Sweden the aim of employers are not to have the job done rather than to have someone who can contribute to their firm in a long run.
11:44 May 5, 2012 by Navras
@Iraniboy

Language is not the problem in tech jobs..There is some kind of racism preference . Probably they prefer some relevant reference..its little weird as the process don't go on same way in usa,india..

In sweden, my resume dont get shortlisted :P to the 1st round..

Iran may have high HDI but it offers little to people like me,you .Exporting Oil is the only source of income...It may be more educated than other medieval ruled arab states but its far behind India in any kind of research,technology
11:47 May 5, 2012 by libertarianism
Iraniboy: "Sweden admits refugees based on humanitarian and moral grounds..."

My family has lived and worked and paid taxes in Sweden for years. In order to finance the refugee project, however, Sweden has intentionally for years underfunded healthcare to the point that people suffer without care, are permanently injured, and die.

Again, my family has lived and worked and paid taxes in Sweden for years. Yet, when I became sick, I was treated like garbage. Like thousands upon thousands of others, I was left to suffer and die. My body is permanently destroyed because Swedish politicians actively choose to torture and kill the sick and elderly.

I have medical debt bc I had to leave Sweden for help. My family has spent thousands to save my life and clean up the mess of the soulless, heartless Swedish healthcare. Socialstyrelsen and Patientnämnden do nothing. Fäskringskassan drives people to suicide.

Do you realize that there are lawyers now who specialize in fighting for the rights of sick people in Sweden? That we who live and work here are left to die, and if we survive, we endure chronic pain, humiliation, and NO help from the lie that is Swedish healthcare.

So Iraniboy, how do you think I FEEL when 30-40% of my family's income goes to people who left me to die? People who mutilated my body and destroyed my life? Under threat of imprisonment, the Swedish State takes my family's money. Refuses to use it for treatment for me. And instead uses it to import, feed, clothe, educate, other families.

How would you feel if YOUR wife was left to DIE? If YOUR wife was forced to live the rest of her life in a broken, painful body?

Swedish politicians are NOT good, are NOT humanitarian, are NOT moral. They are THIEVES who TORTURE and MURDER vulnerable people who do not have the health and financial resources to fight their tyranny.

To support refugee policy is to kill sick people in Sweden. When my family recovers financially we will leave Sweden. I REFUSE to watch them torture my loved ones, the way that have tortured and mutilated me.

Refugess should know that their place in Sweden was paid for with blood and the lives of the sick and elderly. I want to help people in need, but the State should not force you to give your life for someone else.
12:13 May 5, 2012 by Navras
The only problem with immigration is %increase in muslim population.

Sweden needs to bring in christians,hindus,buddhist in equal number if swedish want to see the next decades!!

Some of us foresee swedistan by 2030 :). We already have hindustan with 15% muslims in India where they decide who will come in power..

1.Sweden must remove the child allowance for immigrants family who has 2+children..............

2.Have a policy to deport rapists,child/women abusers.

3.dont let them install islamic law in their ghettos..

But the best judgement is to not to import cancer..........

(give money to these country ,buy them food than bring them into civilized society)
12:36 May 5, 2012 by Reason abd Realism
@ libertarianism

Given the anonimity of this site, I would be curious to know in slightly greater detail the medical catastrophe that cost you so much in terms of health and money, not out of morbid curiosity, but more as a cautionary tale.

For example, am curious to know if you had an ultra rare condition that the doctors here did not diagnose quickly enough, or something far more common (say 1 in a thousand) that they should have known how to treat, and been equipped to treat.

On the issue of immigration itself, I continue to ask if there is a master economic plan (I am not good at navigating Swedish government websites, so if anyone can share a link, even in Swedish, this would be appreciated) that would justify the numbers.

I will add that asking for the master economic plan (how do the numbers mesh Sweden's needs in terms of skilled, semi-skilled, unskilled labour) is not a form of racism, only common sense.
12:39 May 5, 2012 by Iraniboy
@ libertarianism

I'm extremely sorry to hear that.

First of all I'm also among those who pay much of my income for tax in Sweden and I have also experienced the bad emergency service of Swedish hospitals so I'm not in a totally different track. The standards of service is on average very very low let alone exceptional cases but I don't think it is a deliberate failure. It is due to very slow 'Decision to Action' process in higher level of decision making in Sweden. I think all political parties in Sweden have recognized that and they will try to get points for that so I'm hopeful that they will take action soon.But there is one more point here. We shouldn't let our anger to make a conclusion. In a country where I come from any problem that exist is blamed on other groups of people either refugees from Afghanistan or sanctions from the US etc and they also provide some concrete evidences to prove that but sadly some naive and angry people believe such things and start blaming those targets instead of addressing real responsibilities of government!! So political parties who blame other groups or countries are not those who solve the problem. They just help to relieve angry people!! Now I am sure even if that amount of money that goes for refuge in Sweden is redirected to health care the problem will not be solves! So we should be logical and avoid being trapped by populism tricks!

@Navras

It is strange that you say such a thing after being in Sweden for two years. It basically shows you haven't grasped the social standards. People in Sweden are not recorded based on their lifestyle. If you say the 'cancer' thing in public you may even lose your job (if you get any).
15:08 May 5, 2012 by bcterry
11:21 May 5, 2012 by Iraniboy

"I didn't suggest IP ban based on the negativity of their comment. I suggested it based irreverence of their comments. One can make such comments in an international forum but not her."

The islamic caliphate by infiltration is not a Swedish regional problem, it's an international problem.

Canada has many allies, they are more than welcome to comment on any Canadian news outlet, she also has enemies, and they have the right to comment as well.

NO ONE is banned, for free speech is one of the cornerstones of our democracy.

" find it hard to digest why someone living in British Columbia or Tel Aviv who has never traveled to Sweden should come and comment or a regional news report."

What i find "hard to digest, are those who fear the truth, those who wish to censor free speech out of fear of hearing that truth, and those who are so fearful that they resort to ill founded accusations and blatant lies in an attempt to squirm out of the corners they paint themselves into.

Ring any bells???

"By the way it is part of liberal culture to stand firm against those who spread hatred and try to domenate the minorities."

Tell it every islamic state in existence, for they are the masters of hate and domination over minorities.

" Apart from that I believe some the comments I have read here are criminally liable according to Swedish laws."

Hilarious, LMAO.
15:39 May 5, 2012 by godnatt
@ Navras

People are waking up to the facts across Europe and it will change, but these things take time. Of course the multicultural visitors are helping speed things along with each terror plot, gang rape, and release of crime and welfare stats, so change will likely be sooner than later in many countries, though Sweden will most certainly be last.

Don't mind Iraniboy... he's the voice of moderation except when he's defending terrorism, attacking Jews and pretending free speech should be banned like in his idyllic homeland that he was so quick to flee from.
16:12 May 5, 2012 by Sven the banana
# Navras I completely agree with you. I have zero bad experiences with hindus and buddhist people. I like it when different cultures mix. To my knowledge it is forbidden to discriminate based on caste in india and it shows that hindus are less fundamentalist than muslims who still discriminate based on sex. I've never heard anyone criticizing buddhism in my entire life and I've never heard about buddhists causing trouble. MUSLIMS ON THE OTHER HAND...........On my job there are some pakistani students who refuse to listen to their female instructor. Instead they go and ask a man about how to do it. One of them even admitted that he refused to take instructions from a woman. I have more stories about muslims and elections in egypt and Gaza have shown their true face. Muslim men don't want their wiwes to work. Rather they want them to stay at home and get an allowance from swedish taxpayers. For muslim women it is not a shame to be unemployed like it is for swedes. Many of them have zero drive to get a work. Isn't it so also that Islam is the only religion where people who convert from the religion get a punishment? Hopefully we can get international agreements where muslim immigrants are mainly sent to other muslim countries so that movement from the muslim world to the secular world gets restricted. In the secular world I would include all eastasian countries, India and also the secular Turkey where sharia is not the source of legislation. It is not about racism, islam is not a race. I have nothing against muslims who keep their faith private. However most muslims do not want to make a difference between religion and politics / A swede who feels he has no other choice but to vote for the SWEDEN DEMOCRATS!
16:49 May 5, 2012 by Navras
The cancer comment was aweful. But some of the arabs and kurdish do take law in hand.Swedish people have the highest code of conduct. whenever I see any problem in tunnelbana,its them only. I know ,how the pakistani and arab men treat white teens(girls) in uk,norway,drugging them,raping them.Problem is more severe is oslo. Hindus,sikhs population in UK is 2/3rd of muslim population but see the way they integrate there, measure their contribution into the economy. Indian businessmen and investors are the second biggest investor in uk,including the top richest person of UK. They are religious,traditional but they don't come to form ghettos .

Hindus,sikhs are the the only non white community to have the comparable median household income in uk while they lead the charts in usa with every 2 of 5 indian have a PHD;indian americans set up 40% of tech ventures in usa..

To conclude;Sweden should bring in people who bring in positive multiculturalism, so If there are good people from any country who want to follow the rule of this country(than his/her god)then it should be fine for swedes.

Immigrants should not be brought ,Its better to aid them in their native country by providing basic facility.
17:50 May 5, 2012 by Kublai
Iraniboy, I know that there are rapists, murderers and terrorists from many other countries and religions but the difference between you and me is that I despise all of them while you defend the ones that are muslim.

That's what I find so sickening.
18:50 May 5, 2012 by Iraniboy
@bcterry

I understand you LMAO when Swedish law liability is questioned. After all you are not in Sweden so you don't give a damn about it. Besides I don't know you can gain credit by comparing you and your ilk intolerance of minorities with Islamic states's intolerance of minorities in some case majorities!! That would just make both of you equally bad!

@Navras

I told you before. Sweden brings people either based on humanitarian grounds to help them and probably gain from them in a long-term perspective or based on qualification to gain from them right now. You shouldn't confuse these two.

@Kublai

Your comment can in best judgment classified as wishful thinking that suits your agenda or in worst case slander! I never defended Muslim rapists or murderers. For me, religion, race and nationality of a rapist or murderer is irrelevant but for you it obviously is not. That's the difference between me and you!
19:05 May 5, 2012 by bcterry
18:50 May 5, 2012 by Iraniboy

"I understand you LMAO when Swedish law liability is questioned. After all you are not in Sweden so you don't give a damn about it. Besides I don't know you can gain credit by comparing you and your ilk intolerance of minorities with Islamic states's intolerance of minorities in some case majorities!! That would just make both of you equally bad!"

And that would once again, for the umpteenth time, make you a blatant liar through a false accusation.

Business as usual.

Once again, i'm LMAO at your desperation to get out of that corner.
19:11 May 5, 2012 by Uncle
"For me, religion, race and nationality of a rapist or murderer is irrelevant but for you it obviously is not. That's the difference between me and you!"

It is obviously irrelevant for the boy. Because he does not mind the statistics that talk against HIS religion. All open minded and people loving, as long as we are talking about bringing people, who are (as proven not once) way more prone to rape, to attack another minority, to attack females who date non-muslim than any local person.

What I love, is the persistence with comparing religion to race, whereas it is obviously a freely chosen philosophy of life. One cannot NOT be an arab or a persian. However, religion is freely changeable (well, not in countries where you are beheaded for switching it).

Religion is a way of life. If a way of life CALLS for harm to others, if it CALLS for elimination of minorities and their oppression, if it CALLS for territorial expansion, it is called nazism. If islamic relgion CALLS for EXACTLY the same, apparently it is racist to mention it.

Flood of millions of nazis into other lands is seen as evil. Flood of millions of muslims apparently is a multicultural blessing that only closed-minded nazis cannot understand, whereas everyone else obviously loves and appreciates.

The apartments prices in islamic areas are clearly going up and bankers and lawyers are dying to get their kids into islamic dominated schools ASAP. The judges have nothing to do (except judging the nazis of course) and european women are converting in millions for the chance of the amazing marriage opportunity to a member of this great religion.
21:14 May 5, 2012 by Sheba
As a Kenyan-Somali who came to sweden as an Expat...i really hate how ignorant people choose ton adress issues of immigration.You'll be surprised that there are so many progressive and foward thinking somalis.
21:57 May 5, 2012 by Uncle
@sheba

"You'll be surprised that there are so many progressive and foward thinking somalis"

Really? May I ask what amazing achievements did the somali diaspora introduce in Sweden?

How many professors? How many engineers who made technological breakthroughs? How many bestsellers did they write? How many brain surgeons with a world name did this immigration produce? How many thinkers with progressive ideas in, say, feminism, child education or social behaviour? What famous economists did the Sweden had the honour to welcome?

Or, sorry... Perhaps under "many progressive and foward thinking somalis" you meant people who do not treat their wives as slaves, they do not skin their daughters alive for dating a christian and they do not believe in mass murder of non-believers? Wow - really impressive progress. From here, it should take no more than 400 years to reach the state of european mentality...
01:47 May 6, 2012 by hawkeye ajustralia
You have that right...To the multiculturalists who believe that all cultures are equal take note : The entire world population of 1.3 billion Muslims has produced just 5 Nobel Prize winners.The United States has produced 326 Nobel laureates mostly for science, chemistry, medicine and engineering. A number of US universities have won over 20 and Harvard 26.The 5 Arabs who have won Scientific Nobel Prizes (omitting Peace Prizes... joke ), 3 are Christian and the other 2, though Muslim, are Arab-Americans. Arabs, unless they are Arab-Americans or non-Muslim, do not win Nobel Prizes. America patents hundreds of thousands of inventions every year, whereas the entire Muslim world has only a handful in its entire history. "Remember this pathetic performance the next time some bonehead tries to argue cultural equivalency to you. How dare these people try to impose their ways on us, or dictate anything about the way we live. Theirs is a formula for poverty, stagnation and misery. Image over a billion people and they have fewer patents in their entire recorded history than did the citizens of Utah last year."Planck's Constant.( Blog)
08:24 May 6, 2012 by bcterry
Comment: 01:47 May 6, 2012 by hawkeye ajustralia ,

Well said.

But on the other hand they are way ahead in a couple of areas, over 18,832 islamic terrorist attacks since 911, most of which have deliberately targeted and killed innocent men, women, and CHILDREN!

Also, the overwhelming majority of rapes committed in Europe are committed by muslims.

"Muslim Rape Wave in Sweden" Excerpt,

"Some Muslim immigrants admit their bias quite openly. An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are "asking for rape." Apparently, he's not the only one thinking this way. "It is not as wrong raping a Swedish girl as raping an Arab girl," says Hamid. "The Swedish girl gets a lot of help afterwards, and she had probably fxxked before, anyway. But the Arab girl will get problems with her family. For her, being raped is a source of shame. It is important that she retains her virginity until she marries." It was no coincidence that it was a Swedish girl that was gang raped in Rissne - this becomes obvious from the discussion with Ali, Hamid, Abdallah and Richard. All four have disparaging views on Swedish girls, and think this attitude is common among young men with immigrant background. "It is far too easy to get a Swedish whore…… girl, I mean;" says Hamid, and laughs over his own choice of words. "Many immigrant boys have Swedish girlfriends when they are teenagers. But when they get married, they get a proper woman from their own culture who has never been with a boy. That's what I am going to do. I don't have too much respect for Swedish girls. I guess you can say they get fxxked to pieces."
09:21 May 6, 2012 by me_i_sverige
@bcterry: I agree with your post. It will be interesting to read what Iraniboy will write :p
10:11 May 6, 2012 by Navras
Muslim world is pretty backward in science. They dont even feel like negating the problems in Quran.

They have problems with Evolution theory and they try to extract science out of medieval book:)

These nomads like Ali,Ahmed should be deported to Arabs where they were living with sharia and reaping fruits of true islam.

Sweden has got it all wrong........They have got so many chinese,Indians,thai and other asian people who wants to come and live with harmony but for the sweden,they want to import troubles..

Why not aid these country with food,basic facilities than bring uncivilized people to a developed country.
12:01 May 6, 2012 by Uncle
Hawkeye and bcterry

You see, the issue is that you give solid facts. However the opponents do not discuss these facts with you. They claim that making these facts public is a clear display of your racism and xenophobia.

They are trying to strip you of the right of actually SAYING the facts. Iraniboy did nothing in the past 2 months, but whining for the authorities to look into the "racist" comments here, completely disregarding the content of these comments. So obviously there will be no coherent reaction to it, since there IS no answer to your arguments.
12:10 May 6, 2012 by Iraniboy
Last time I was engaged in a discussion with the level of reasoning of bcterry was in high school in Iran that you could gain credit by laughing or you could draw a conclusion for a population of a billion by giving an example or two. So I'm writing this but since I don't enjoy this teenage level discussion I wouldn't continue. I have more fun things to do.

@bcterry

Just for your record bcterry the number of innocent people killed by your heroes in US army are ten or hundred times bigger than all terrorism done by Muslims since WW2 with all Vietnam, Hiroshima , Iraq and Afghanistan massacres. But terrorism for bigoted people are when those they don't like, commit it! For me murderer is murderer whatever he believes or wherever he comes from but for you bigotry makes you feel like a Vietnamese, Japanese, Iraqi, Afghan child has no value when counting victims.

@Navras @hawkeye ajustralia

Religion has a potential to create problem for those who can abuse it but backwardness of Muslim countries today has more to do with their lack of democratic processes like African Christian countries. Just to highlight your sheer ignorance to your examples of backwardness I should remind you that for 700 years non-Islamic medical universities were teaching the books of one Muslim scholar called Avicenna http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avicenna But who knows about them when your media is feeding you the propaganda the @Uncle et al are writing here?! Swedish media fortunately is relatively free from these propaganda as most people have a high average education and do not but this!
13:09 May 6, 2012 by Uncle
Uncle

"They are trying to strip you of the right of actually SAYING the facts."

iraniboy

"@Uncle et al are writing here?! Swedish media fortunately is relatively free from these propaganda as most people have a high average education and do not but this!"

Haha Spot on! Did not even try to be subtle about it... Trying to doubt the right to speak...

Or this one:

"you could draw a conclusion for a population of a billion by giving an example or two."

"for 700 years non-Islamic medical universities were teaching the books of one Muslim scholar called Avicenna"

in the SAME post

To his credit, he actually TRIED to answer the claims.

Did he ANSWER the fact that a billion cannot create a thing since islam took care of the starting science in Islamic countries? No. Did he answer the encouragement of rape by clerics? No.

He managed to compare (again) the havoc that the nazis and communists did in Europe and Asia to islamic countries. Good job proving again that communists, nazis and muslims have a lot in common. Namely, no race, but a way of life that is filled with destruction and pain. I could not argue better for the reasons to limit the inflow of this into Sweden.
14:29 May 6, 2012 by bcterry
Iraniboy,

"Just for your record bcterry the number of innocent people killed by your heroes in US army are ten or hundred times bigger than all terrorism done by Muslims since WW2 with all Vietnam, Hiroshima , Iraq and Afghanistan massacres."

Give me the link that gives factual statistics that show that Americans have killed hundreds of times more innocent people than muslims since W.W.2.

Prediction. it WON'T be coming.

" For me murderer is murderer whatever he believes or wherever he comes from but for you bigotry makes you feel like a Vietnamese, Japanese, Iraqi, Afghan child has no value when counting victims. "

Show me my bigotry from what i have written , and that i place no value on Vietnamese, Japanese, Iraqi. Afghani children, or Muslim children.

You WON'T, ....... because you Can't, ....... because you have many times over been proven to be hypocritical LIAR!

This post of yours is yet another case in point.

Other than that, ....... your a real sweetheart.

BTW, i would bet the farm that i have more concern than you over the treatment and abuse of innocent muslim children by the hands of muslims themselves, or innocent children in general.
14:35 May 6, 2012 by godnatt
@ Iranitoy

Yes, 1000 yrs ago Arab civilization was so great that today large swaths of the Muslim world wants to keep it EXACTLY the same.

As evidenced by the fact that when given "democratic processes" the primary winners are Islamist sociopaths like yourself who promote Sharia and a fast track back to the 1100's.

You are like a wind up Islamist propaganda doll.

Unfortunately, your brethren are busy proving you wrong trying to blow up our kids, beheading their women, and attacking democratic freedoms on an ongoing basis so you have an uphill battle selling your relativistic fiction.
23:46 May 6, 2012 by hawkeye ajustralia
Iranitoy"The multiculturalists who believe that all cultures are equal take note : The entire world population of 1.3 billion Muslims has produced just 5 Nobel Prize winners.The United States has produced 326 Nobel laureates mostly for science, chemistry, medicine and engineering. The 5 Arabs who have won Scientific Nobel Prizes (omitting Peace Prizes... joke ), 3 are Christian and the other 2, though Muslim, are Arab-Americans. Arabs, unless they are Arab-Americans or non-Muslim, do not win Nobel Prizes. America patents hundreds of thousands of inventions every year, whereas the entire Muslim world has only a handful in its entire history. "Remember this pathetic performance the next time some bonehead tries to argue cultural equivalency to you. How dare these people try to impose their ways on us, or dictate anything about the way we live. Theirs is a formula for poverty, stagnation and misery. Image over a billion people and they have fewer patents in their entire recorded history than did the citizens of Utah last year."…..'s Constant.( Blog)...- Harvard University alone has 25 and other US unis have over 20... Did someone say "stupid Americans?
01:01 May 7, 2012 by esvahnt
my qestion is how long will it take all the process of totally replacing the original population of sweden

may be 20 more years ?

and to whom does it benefits ?

we are totally defeated and powerless in front of the big powers
01:19 May 7, 2012 by hawkeye ajustralia
Iraniboy

Allah has blessed me with riches both in material wealth and family wealth. I live in a home that is larger than 99.9% of the homes in the world; as well I have children that are the envy of every parent who knows them: smart, polite, decent, and moral. Truly, Allah has rewarded me greatly. And since 99.99% of the Muslims in this world live in poverty, filth, and disease, I must take it that He approves of my actions and beliefs and scorns those of Muslims.

Let's extrapolate this to the rest of America, the greatest and most powerful nation among the infidels. Although Americans are only 4.5% of the world's population, we own 38.94% of the world's financial assets, almost 3 times as much as the second wealthiest country, Japan, which owns 13.71%. 1

So truly, Allah has rewarded America greatly. And since 99% of the Muslim countries of the world live in poverty, filth, and disease, I must take it that Allah has blessed the United States and cursed those nations ruled under Islam.

As for those Muslim countries with oil, that is a blessing not from Allah but from America whose engineers found, developed and exploited the riches of the Earth for the benefit of Muslims. All that modern Islamic nations have, is thanks to American benevolence. If Muslims wish to be happy, wealthy , and prosperous, they need to pray to America for its continued good will and generosity.

Planks Constant.blog

esvahnt Apply for an Australian visa and get out of Sweden as fast as possible and apply for a visa to Australia.

Leave it all to those who allowed these people from "the religion of peace"

who will impose Sharia Law on all, and believe me,there will be mandatory 5 times a day prayer session.
11:39 May 7, 2012 by sureiam
No jobs........................why receiving more humans..................Chaos!!!
23:08 May 9, 2012 by Lunneia
@ Navras

You are the most deluded Indian I have ever come across (excuse me to say). In your attempt to stay in a realm which is not your own, you are essentially sh#iting on other immigrants, most of who moved toward here through no mistake of theirs. When you get to stay here what will you be branded as? Feeling Caucasian now? LMAO!

Where were you when the covetous west kept fixing the world? It's incredible how the west occupied other cultures in Asia and Africa and that is seen as right! (Even though Sweden had no active role; they vended most of the chains). In Africa, they forcibly took men and women as slaves and incapacitated the continent with mental slavery. Thank God we are still a resource-rich continent after all that; for that reasons, the melee for AFRICA is ever snowballing…Wretched to even think India has also joined the duel! Since you give the impression that know it all-- in your IT-filled and curry infested brains-- then please answer this question: did the west not consider the consequences for their action?

Many people have been displaced by such western interventions-- only to be called slaves, immigrants, expatriates, exiles, refugees, evacuees and all. While the interlopers who subjugated the unsuspecting masses, on the contrary, are known as traders, redeemers, liberators, professionals, missionaries, colonialists, divinities and currently development partners… And the most disgusting part is seeing our women still with them after all these atrocities! (Saddening how our women forget so easily!!!)

You are a degradation to personal distinctiveness; to the equality that Hinduism so orates! No marvel that you are still without a job. India, your so called flawless country, is not as picture-perfect as you rigorously claim on here! You disremember all your gettos in Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai and all. I bet you have faith that those were initiated by Muslims too!

Why can't the world be unrestricted; a world full of esteem? Why should the malevolent of one be compensated by the other? Why is there dissimilarity in the first place? The fact that you are part of the BRICS shouldn't make you pompous. You have a starving and corrupt population and fewer natural resources to deal with! Have you forgotten your heroin addiction per capita? If you claim to be that --courtesy of KTH - smart, why not go help your country to decommission your nukes as an alternative! I see that as a threat to you-- more than Muslims are to your getting employed in Sweden.

To collectively demean a people, a religion and a country based on immigration to another is just uncultured!
03:41 May 11, 2012 by ultra_materialist
Sweden is the most coward nation in the world.

That is for sure... bunch of idiots... hahahahaha

Soon every native woman will be raped and you guys will stay with PC bullshit
12:13 May 11, 2012 by kenai
I WARN SWEDEN, a lot of criminals and desperate people from Romania and a lot of gipsy people will for sure enter in Sweden as EU members and steal and rape as much as they can, just like they are already doin in Italy, this is Important, Sweden must close the borders and send back all the immigrants from this nation, here in Italy it's impossible to live anymore, and in Sweden, where all poeple trust each other, and where all doors are open and all houses have no security at all, it gonna be even worse, this people will end the life as we know it.

ROMANIA OUT OF EU NOW!!!!
04:27 May 12, 2012 by TheWatchman
@Iraniboy

10 winners of the Nobel Prize are Muslim, and they make up 20% of the world's population. 185 winners of the Nobel Prize are Jews, and they make up 0.2% of the world's population. It is quite obvious that you want to censor those who are not worshiping your violent friends who are bringing about the downfall of Swedish society. Why wouldn't you? You frequently defend the barbaric culture of murderers even when had those people not been raised in it, they would not have killed or raped innocent Swedish people. You should be lucky the Swedish government is so foolish and liberal, if they had any brains at all, they'd halt all shipments of asylum seekers. There is no reason to ruin Sweden because of trying to act nice.
04:36 May 12, 2012 by Israeleet
I concur with TheWatchman and anyone who holds his opinions.

My dear Swedish brethren. I cannot explain or put in text the way in which I sympathize with you. I want you all to know that the Right of the world has your support and that we support all of your causes.

Please spread the word and save your beautiful nation. Your beautiful culture. Yourselves!
16:53 May 17, 2012 by Navras
@Lunneia

"You are the most deluded Indian I have ever come across (excuse me to say). In your attempt to stay in a realm which is not your own, you are essentially sh#iting on other immigrants, most of who moved toward here through no mistake of theirs. When you get to stay here what will you be branded as? Feeling Caucasian now? LMAO! "

I m not against other immigrants ;I only meant to make the immigration policy more transparent,competitive rather than bring in people who will never be able to integrate properly. I have many afgan immigrants who are very much integrated into swedish society while continuing to follow their traditional norms.

"

Where were you when the covetous west kept fixing the world? It's incredible how the west occupied other cultures in Asia and Africa and that is seen as right! (Even though Sweden had no active role; they vended most of the chains). In Africa, they forcibly took men and women as slaves and incapacitated the continent with mental slavery. Thank God we are still a resource-rich continent after all that; for that reasons, the melee for AFRICA is ever snowballing…Wretched to even think India has also joined the duel! Since you give the impression that know it all-- in your IT-filled and curry infested brains-- then please answer this question: did the west not consider the consequences for their action? "

Africa is in the mess due to their own problems..The dictators,religious monarch are responsible for the misery. They did intially take the slaves but those slaves are proud americans . If they would have continued to live in their native land;they would be devoid of basic amenities,;prone to gang war and riots.
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