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OAS urges 'dialogue' over Assange case

OAS urges 'dialogue' over Assange case

Published: 25 Aug 2012 12:10 GMT+02:00
Updated: 25 Aug 2012 12:10 GMT+02:00

The Organization of American States declared "solidarity and support" Friday for Ecuador in its dispute with Britain over granting asylum to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.

The meeting of the Americas bloc was convened at Ecuador's request to consider a resolution rejecting any attempt to put at risk the "inviolability" of its embassy in London, where Assange is holed up.

In the resolution, foreign ministers and representatives of the 34-member regional body rejected "any attempt that might put at risk the inviolability of the premises of diplomatic missions."

The text, adopted by consensus after five hours of arduous negotiations in Washington, also expressed "solidarity and support for the government of the Republic of Ecuador."

It urged Ecuador and Britain to "continue to engage in dialogue in order to settle their current differences in accordance with international law, taking into account the statements made recently by authorities of both governments."

Reservations about the resolution were expressed in footnotes by the United States and Canada, OAS members who are also firm British allies.

The diplomatic confrontation over Assange, who has been staying at the Ecuadoran mission since June 19, reached a new pitch last week after Quito announced it was granting the 41-year-old Australian activist asylum.

Correa expressed relief at receiving assurances from London on Thursday that ruled out the possibility of British authorities forcibly entering his country's embassy.

"While it is clear that there was a threat, we understand this message as a retraction of that threat, which we welcome with joy," Correa said in an address broadcast on national television and radio.

Britain's permanent observer to the OAS, Philip Barton, echoed London's statement that it never threatened to enter the Ecuadoran embassy.

"At no time did the UK make any threat against the embassy of Ecuador," he said, calling for a resumption of dialogue.

"We invite the government of Ecuador to resume as early as possible the constructive discussion we've held on this matter to date."

Speaking to the British newspaper The Guardian, Correa insisted that "the window of dialogue has never been closed."

"But we are never going to give up our principles, nor the human rights of Mr Assange," he added.

"As a consequence, we'll continue to demand what we've been demanding from the beginning: if Mr Assange goes to Sweden to face Swedish justice, as is his will and as is our will, he should receive a guarantee that he will not be extradited to a third country."

Correa repeated his demand that London grant Assange "safe passage" to exit the embassy.

Assange took refuge there to escape extradition to Sweden, where he is sought for questioning about sex assault allegations.

He claims that if extradited to Sweden, he would be handed over to the United States, where he fears prosecution over WikiLeaks' release of a vast cache of confidential US government files.

Ecuador is demanding a "public apology" from Britain for allegedly threatening to enter the Ecuadoran embassy in London to arrest Assange.

During the OAS debate, Ecuadoran Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino condemned Britain for what he called the "assault on our sovereignty."

While Britain has said it will not go into the embassy to arrest Assange, it has refused to grant the Australian national safe conduct out of the country.

AFP/The Local (news@thelocal.se)

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13:24 August 25, 2012 by GLO
Assange was just included in a Terrorist list of Heros, He is wanted for Rape.Well, he must make his family proud.....
15:18 August 25, 2012 by Hisingen
Assange a hero - when hell freezes.
15:23 August 25, 2012 by cheeba
The British legislation the U.K. threatened Ecuador with is clearly not compliant with the the Vienna conventions of 1961.Which the U.K. Is a signatory to.

Drafted and passed under Margaret Thatcher, that great promoter of international cooperation.
15:38 August 25, 2012 by Bluecrane
LOL - anybody want to place a wager that the first two posts mocking Assange's hero status originated from rednecks in one or two of our embarrassing Southern states in the US.

Anyway, the UK, Sweden and of course the US should be condemned for trying to get a guy tortured and caged for life just because he exposed information to a supposedly free democracy so that people know what they're paying for.

I'm American of Swedish descent with a bit of English blood in me. Not very proud of any of that at the moment. Hats off to Ecuador and the OAS. Middle finger to the US, the UK and the Swedish government.
15:42 August 25, 2012 by prince T
The main thing is that ecuador ls on d losing side at the moment
16:30 August 25, 2012 by david anderson
Bluecrane,

My hats off to you!

I'm in the same boat as you....Swedish American

Your message is spot on.
16:37 August 25, 2012 by bcterry
Assange is a G.B fugitive for ignoring their court order and leaving their jurisdiction, and they have every right to arrest him if he shows his face on their soil.

Ecuador is snubbing their nose at G.B. for not respecting their laws.

Stand firm on YOUR principals G.B., and while your at it, demand an apology from Ecuador for their their complete disregard for your justice system.

It might be a good idea to kick their axxes out of your country as well.
16:48 August 25, 2012 by riose
@bcterry

So any country has "every right" to arrest people who ignore court orders and leave their jurisdiction...

What if that country is, let's say, China. Or North Korea. Or Iran. Or any other "bad guy"out there.
17:26 August 25, 2012 by Grokh
I dont wnt to defend the guy but there is something very fishy going on.

And first and foremost he is not accused of raping he is being pursued for questioning about allegations of rape.

the weird thing is that those allegation seem to have no evidence or basis for it, and people in sweden have gotten away with way more than what he is getting away with which is "answering for being accused of something" which doesnt necessarily means he did something. innocent until proven guilty.

But it seems everyone knows he raped people even though he hasnt been charged with it...

I do think there is a legitimate concern and he should be granted asylum, since the guy who "ALLEGEDLY" gave away papers to wikileaks, was not proven to have done so but has been in jail for the past 800 days.

USA at this level is no different than saudi arabia at this point.

He has been threatned by american politicians , his organization has been choked by an embargo even though it leaked info on TONS of different countries including Iran and north korea, and china.

So he is being persecuted and that is getting on the way of him answering the allegations or the allegations are fabricated.

ergo Asylum.
18:54 August 25, 2012 by bcterry
@ riose,

If they show up back up on their soil, they would probably say they do, and they would.

Assange is not in any danger of violent physical abuse from G.B. if they arrest him for this, it's a simple case of extradition.

He will simply be processed and escorted back to Sweden as previously ordered.

Both Sweden and G.B. have stellar human rights records, unlike those examples you have provided in comparison.
19:17 August 25, 2012 by themoron
themoron says;

There is a say: "If you cannot beat them, join them". So, yes! Assange is a rapist. Assange is a terrorist. Assange should go to Sweden so he is packed on a CIA plane and send to the US.like the Egyptians who were tortured in Egypt. Assange has done nothing to prove that somewhere around the world, there is something calld freedom of speech. Assange should send a thank you note to prosecutor Marianne Ny for her way of interpreting the laws against him. Assange should throw a party in honor of AA and

SW for having declared that they enjoyed having sexual relations with him and for recommending him to some friends. The OAS should be considered, as of this moment, an organization that is paid by Assange to back up Ecuador and should join the list of terrotist organizations. President Correa should step down and leave the post inmediately to Hillary Clinton.

GLO and all the posters like him, should be awarded with the Nobel Prize of Intelligence and nothing less. The Swedish police should be encouraged once more to rewrite at will, all the declartions made by any subject so that they can be found guilty before they have a chance of proving the opposite. The Minister for Foreign Relations of Sweden, Mr. Carl Bildt, should be confirmed in his post so that he keeps on declaring things against Assange at will and ignoring certain laws. And finally, Mickey Mouse should be adopted as an Icon in Sweden, so the non intelligentia can keep on saying "I love you, Mickey Mouse" to please Hillary Clinton and lakeys in her herd.

Posters like Anderson, Blue Crane and others, should stop posting. They have to leave the space to the cogitos, bcterry and similars.

themoron gives up! No more precise and clear facts, appreciated by many posters along the different threads. No more! Themoron will read first page news at The Local, informing how the African ants reproduce in Timbuktu by having consensual sex with Swedish ants.
19:56 August 25, 2012 by ILIOS ELLAS
Please help promote this link wherever you can; if you believe in freedom of expression and freedom of the press. Julian

Assange for the Nobel prize for freedom of the press:

www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Julian_Assange_for_Nobel_prize_Freedom_of_the_Press/

Lets see how "Noble" the Norwegians and their righteous Swede neighbors are or claim to be, since they offered Obama the Nobel peace prize!
20:04 August 25, 2012 by jack sprat
Nice to see the cowardly scumbag getting his just deserts all of his own making.

He's already serving his sentence care of the non democratic republic of Ecuador who are toying with him like a puppet on a peace of string.

Looks like his self styled mega ego trip has come to an sad end as a result of his own stupidity.

Washington must be laughing their socks off knowing that justice is already being done and they have no need to even raise a finger.
21:55 August 25, 2012 by timbenton51
Where are these women who claim they were sexually assaulted?

Why don't they come out and make a public statement about what really happened?

It's clear from the police reports that these women became mad at Assange when they learned he had sex with each of them separately. They sought revenge against him in bad faith by approaching the authorities demanding an STD test. That's it. Even Glenn Beck saw this earlyl on.

Come now women. Clear this all up for the world. It requires courage, but the facts are the facts.
21:55 August 25, 2012 by IranianBoy
@themoron

"GLO and all the posters like him, should be awarded with the Nobel Prize of Intelligence and nothing less." hahaha... oh let's laugh at Swedish government and Swedish laws together!

I was wondering what kinds of "not using condom" is considered rape as I want to adapt to the law... one particular that wonders me is that if my girlfriend says "please condom!" and I say "oh baby I don like it" and then we have sex without condom... would the respectful prosecutor clarify it to me whether it is a rape or not?!

What's ironic is that how Britain has made this issue a big pain for itself. As far as England is concerned, a wanted person "was" in its soil and now he has escaped. He is not a wanted in England. Why are they so much interested in Assange be extradited to Sweden that they have undermined their national interest for it? Why are they threatening a foreign country's embassy for someone who naturally should be of no interest to England? This just shows what a big headache it has become for the Swedish government that they are pressuring England this much.... I am so happy :)
22:45 August 25, 2012 by jack sprat
No pressuring at all.

Simply a case of abiding by agreements already in place.

The UK, Sweden and the US can simply sit back, relax and wait,that's if the US are even still interested,which now appears highly unlikely.

The only one under any pressure is the fool inside the Ecuadorian Embassy.
00:30 August 26, 2012 by BackpackerKev
The US is Always interested, its a chess play and at the moment they are just watching the dumb euros move their pieces back and forth unable to commit to a move.

So many posters with hate towards the man and yet they fail to read all the information posted by multiple posters including details of what is actually going on and post the same dumb comments like a naive little school kid.

Too many idiots have forgotten that our countries have the philosophy of INNOCENT until PROVEN Guilty. He is Not a rapist until he is proven to be.

This whole fiasco is just dumb and has continued for far too long and too many counties are too proud to say they acted wrong and retract their actions.

The Only news worthy item will be when he is taken by an off-the-books covert team to the USA on his way to the airport.
03:19 August 26, 2012 by Ian C. Purdie - Sydney
I've said it before and I'll say it again:

If this was a clerk named John Smith, would both Britain and Sweden have expended and continue to expend vast sums of taxpayer's money on this fiasco?

NO. I didn't think so. It wouldn't have gone past the first prosecutors summary dismissal.
03:37 August 26, 2012 by James Seastrom
Two Swedish women have accused Assange of rape. Sweden wants him to answer these charges before its judicial system - as would be requred of any Swede. The two Swedish women deserve the opportunity to confront him and seek justice in a Swedish court.
04:50 August 26, 2012 by IranianBoy
No the Swedish women do not have this right! They have such a right when a case exist.

Moreover when JA has the right to be assured not to be handed over to a third country. Do you believe in his rights too?
04:55 August 26, 2012 by Ian C. Purdie - Sydney
@03:37 August 26, 2012 by James Seastrom

"Two Swedish women have accused Assange of rape"

Actually they haven't at all. Only a dogy prosecutor, a discredited lawyer/politician and the international media have.

"The two Swedish women deserve the opportunity to confront him and seek justice in a Swedish court."

Are you anticipating they will commit perjury? Remember Miss W. flatly refused to sign any statement and left the police station correctly figuring it was a "fit up".

Perhaps you might not have thoroughly researched the topic at all.
09:28 August 26, 2012 by viennacalling
Well written Ian @#18 and as I have expressed before about the Cost to the Poor Taxpayer Worldwide. In reality Assange only confirmed what the intelligent and honest taxpayers know All over the World. The US CIA and their proxy organisations have been medling in other countries affairs since prior to WW1 and could be earlier !
12:34 August 26, 2012 by Nomark
Iranianboy

I'm confused. You claim JA has a right to a guarantee "not to be extradited". He has a right to a fair extradition hearing according to the laws of the land, nothing more and nothing less.

Most of JA's revelations were a banal confirmation of the way a large country operates. I was surprised by how little was new and how much I'd already read in newspapers and seen in TV documentaries. The release did, however, do damage to that country's diplomatic work, as well as endangering the lives of innocent people. I'm therefore a little surprised at the outrage many have that the US may well try to extradite him. Why wouldn't they ? Shouldn't he be held to account for endangering people's lives and, possibly, damaging US security ? He made little/no attempt to release only information which could be argued was in the public's interest.

If one pursues an anti-American agenda and (possibly) violates US laws in the process, it seems odd that he would then ask America to be please be nice and be supportive to himself and Wikileaks.
13:24 August 26, 2012 by bcterry
@ Ian C. Purdie,

There are many "clerks named John Smith" that have been, and will continue to be extradited on a regular basis, and they expend "vast sums of taxpayers money" to see it through to end after going through the all the numerous appeals that were afforded to Assange.

I'm sure you are aware of that.
14:01 August 26, 2012 by IranianBoy
Nomark

Hmmm.... so you ARE saying that the end-game IS about extraditing him to US? well it ain't gonna happen :) What's actually happening is Swedish and British governments are struggling to find a face saving way out of the hole they've dived into :) And if your approach to the rights of people is as you mentioned, well unfortunately for you, he now has the right to refuse to come to Sweden and stay in Ecuador's embassy! Now cry!

And please dont tell me about endangered lives of innocent people becuz of wikileaks published cables.... name one person who died because of the leaks. At the moment you gave up on finding such a name, start finding names of politicians whose dirty activities caused embarrassment for them and their knowledgeable governments, including Sweden and Britain.
14:32 August 26, 2012 by Hisingen
Judging from the many comments here, assange well and truly opened a can of worms, but on the other hand, despite being a 'revealer of the truth (as he sees it) he complains if anyone leaks anything about himself. he can't have it both ways.

Incidentally Bluecrane, what is your bet regarding my status ??? Shares in Wikileaks perhaps.
15:58 August 26, 2012 by bcterry
Ecuador in U-Turn On Earlier Whistleblower

"ECUADOR is on the verge of deporting a corruption whistleblower who had been granted political asylum in the country.

Alexander Barankov is expected to be kicked out of Ecuador back to Belarus, where his supporters claim he could be killed.

Mr Barankov, 30, has been in Ecuador since 2009 after exposing an oil-smuggling ring involving senior officials of Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko's government, including relatives of the leader.

But prosecutors in Belarus, which is run with an iron fist by Lukashenko, accuse Mr Barankov of fraud and extortion. He calls the charges bogus and revenge for his own claims. The former financial crimes investigator is in imminent danger of losing his political refugee status as relations between the two countries improve.

Earlier this year, Lukashenko, often called the 'last dictator in Europe', signed a trade agreement with Ecuador after visiting Quito.

'Everything changed after Lukashenko came,' Mr Barankov said by phone from a Quito prison.

'I want Ecuadoreans to open their eyes and see what's happening to me.'

Mr Barankov is reported to be on a hunger strike.

The ultimate decision on deportation rests with President Rafael Correa who personally took the decision to accept WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange."
22:17 August 26, 2012 by sgt_doom
Before any more pro-Karl Rove redneck comments, please read report below:

http://www.nnn.se/nordic/assange/suspicious.pdf

And please, no more drivel about Sweden not extraditing to countries with the death penalty --- Sweden, when Bodstrom was the Justice Minister, sure did love America's extreme renditions from that country (with Bodstrom's OK!).
23:12 August 26, 2012 by bcterry
@ sgt_doom

"In an interview with the German newspaper Frankfurter Rundschau, the deputy director of the Service for Criminal Cases and International Cooperation of Sweden's Justice Ministry Cecilia Riddselius has specifically said Sweden "will never surrender a person to the death penalty".

Riddselius also says that they would demand strict assurances from the US that "the prisoner will not be executed in any case" and added that Sweden has not received an extradition request at present. She admitted that it was impossible to tell without the request whether Assange would be extradited without the request.

Both the UK and Sweden are technically bound by laws that would not allow them to extradite someone to a country where they would face the death penalty. "

There goes all the arguments that Assange could be executed if he was extradited to America.
23:27 August 26, 2012 by Hisingen
All this kerfuffle brought on by an Aussie whose wiki leaked when it shouldn't. I never knew here were so many lawyers reading these columns Maybe many of them are employed in assange's defence team. But no matter what happens - the bloke is liable to arrest for breaking his bail conditions in the UK the minute he steps outside of his benefactor's premises.

Benefactors - yeah. Don't they just love journalists in Ecuador? I wouldn't give all that credibility for ja's safety even behind those closed doors. He may be happy cocking a snook at all and sundry for the moment, but he who laughs last - - - - - I have heard that those who put up his bail are looking for retribution, too. They were once his friends.
00:47 August 27, 2012 by Nomark
Iranianboy

Don't be ridiculous - I'm saying nothing of the sort i.e. that US extradition is the "end-game". I'm simply pointing out that one could hardly be surprised if the US was thinking about extradition. Unlike you I don't go for conspiracy theories without evidence.

Regarding JA endangering people's lives, I wasn't aware that if nobody had been proven to have been killed due to information being leaked via the wikileaks cables then that's it, the danger is over ! Anyone who was worrying about a possible revenge attack (the type of thing btw that often happens when regimes change and scores are settled) can now sleep easy. Sorry to be repeat myself, but don't be ridiculous.
10:04 August 27, 2012 by procrustes
@GLO Whom do you not hate? Short list? Maybe only one?
12:16 August 27, 2012 by themoron
Themoron says: "I'll be back " said Douglas MacArthur. So, I'm back!

For all of those ( GLO, Hisingen, cogito, Prince T, bcterry, jack sprat, James Seastrom, Nomark and friends) who hate Assange and want him in jail because he is a rapist and a terrorist. Because he is worse than Breivik, worse than pest and cholera together. Because he is the human representation of the Apocalypsis, the anti-Christ and Al-Qaeda together, here is an eye-opener.

"The Mail on Sunday has published a photo of a beaming woman, pictured with Assange and three other people, who would later tell police that 48 hours before the picture was taken, the WikiLeaks founder pinned her down in her flat and sexually assaulted her.

"If the case ever reaches court - Mr Assange is currently holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London - his lawyers will argue that the photograph undermines the 33-year-old woman's entire story. And, they claim, there is more.

"In the two days after the alleged assault in Sweden, Mr Assange and Woman A, as she is known, attended a conference and two dinner parties where it is claimed they were practically inseparable.

"During one party, Woman A tweeted that she was "with the world's coolest, smartest people!".

"The photograph was taken on August 15, 2010, at the Glenfiddich restaurant in Stockholm, at a dinner of meatballs and schnapps hosted by Rickard Falkvinge, the founder of the Swedish Pirate Party (PP), which campaigns for greater government transparency."

There is more…so go to the link and also to the link of the Mail and Sunday.

http://www.news.com.au/world/julian-assange-hopeful-a-photo-could-help-clear-him-of-sexual-assault-allegations/story-fndir2ev-1226458585105
12:53 August 27, 2012 by jack sprat
Let him rot where he is or even better in Ecuador where he'll get a very rude awakening regarding what freedom of the media is most definitely NOT about.
13:29 August 27, 2012 by cogito
The messiah of media freedom chooses Ecuador....

BWHAAAAAAAAAAA *Palm to face*
14:53 August 27, 2012 by Nomark
themoron

I stopped reading your post after the opening lines. A shame, since the post was directed to me. I stopped reading since what you wrote was, well, rather untrue. Apparently, I "hate Assange and want him in jail because he is a rapist and a terrorist." Really, where did I ever write that ? Sources please.

Why should I (or indeed anyone who is not a fully paid-up member of the JA-fan club) think the remainder of your post is credible if you start off by making things up.

Please, start with the evidence and then go to your conclusions. Doing the reverse isn't at all sensible.
16:25 August 27, 2012 by themoron
#36

Do not make me laugh. I have sored lips.

By just reading the links, you would understand the message contained in them, but that is too much to expect from an Assange hater.

Evidence? Read your posts and you will find the evidence. You are guilty as charged by me and ten other posters, more or less.

Now, if you want to be happy and sleep well, Assange is a rapist and a terrorist. He is worse than Breivik, worse than pest and cholera together. He is the human representation of the Apocalypsis, the anti-Christ and Al-Qaeda together. Now, I request evidences from you.
16:31 August 27, 2012 by Nomark
Themoron

I note that you didn't provide the sources. Allow me to ask again:

Apparently, I "hate Assange and want him in jail because he is a rapist and a terrorist." Really, where did I ever write that ? Sources please.

You seem so sure. It must be trivial for you. Or perhaps you are doing as you said you were and simply making it up.

Sources please.
17:29 August 27, 2012 by themoron
#38 Nomark

I agree that you did not say directly that Assange was a terrorist and a rapist.I appologyse for that. What I wrote was directed to all of you who would like Assange convicted for something he certainly did not do and to face the possibility of been shipped by Sweden to the United States, where he would certainly face the same fate as Manning is facing now. I do not make up anything, but you do not read properly and seems that you have a sort of persecution mania. Relax. There is nothing personal, just research professionality.

Keep on writing against Assange and I will keep on writing and providing facts about the case, like in my post with the link to

http://www.news.com.au/world/julian-assange-hopeful-a-photo-could-help-clear-him-of-sexual-assault-allegations/story-fndir2ev-1226458585105

Enjoy the link and start praising AA for being such a fine lady.
21:06 August 27, 2012 by Nomark
Themoron

I'm even more confused. First you apologise for saying I wrote something I didn't write (after being asked twice to show sources - your first response being a typical internet forum "big bravado" sneer ). You also went on to claim that you don't make things up (having just apologised for making things up)..

You then go on to make another bizarre accusation i.e. that I want "Assange convicted for something he certainly did not do and to face the possibility of been shipped by Sweden to the United States". The first part of your statement seems, like the other stuff for which you just apologised, made up. The second part of your statement (that I want him to face the possibility ot being extradited) is, however, true but, like so much you write, incomplete. I want any extradition request to be treated according to the laws of the land and be treated as anyone else.

You also write he would be treated like Manning but Manning is being handled according to the military justice system since he is a serving soldier. Assange's would not be treated in this way. Please, please, learn some of sodding detail before you shout so loudly about things.
00:46 August 28, 2012 by bcterry
Themoran,

I have only asked that assange accept the ruling of the U.K. courts, who gave him every chance by all means possible, by affording him each and every appeal opportunity that exists in their system to make his case.

He lost, and he RAN.

Your EXTREME accusations,

"For all of those ( GLO, Hisingen, cogito, Prince T, bcterry, jack sprat, James Seastrom, Nomark and friends) who hate Assange and want him in jail because he is a rapist and a terrorist. Because he is worse than Breivik, worse than pest and cholera together. Because he is the human representation of the Apocalypsis, the anti-Christ and Al-Qaeda together"

not only about me, but all of those you mentioned, other than your wild assumptive imagination, has absolutely NO FACTUAL MERIT, and quite frankly it is irrational and WAY over the top.

A lot of us believe assange to be something completely different from what you believe he is, and yes, we have also researched the same as you have.

Did it ever even enter your head that maybe, JUST MAYBE, there may be more to this than than what has been released, or what YOU know, or any of the rest of us know as well, and that YOU may not know everything about this?

I doubt it.

MAYBE, just MAYBE, the reason that assange is doing everything in his power to not go back and answer their questions, is that HE KNOWS, what YOU, or any of the rest us do not.

He was there after all, unlike the rest of us.

After he left Sweden, there MAY have been more details come to light that made the authorities re-open their investigation, thus the request that he come in for further questioning.

It's happened thousands of times in every country in the world, it's not unusual to just assasnge's case.
08:48 August 28, 2012 by themoron
the moron says:

Nomark and bcterry: 1.- You do not do a proper research 2.- You do think that only you have the answerss 3.- You both, plus others, are well known in the threads for always having negative comments about anything.

Example: Nomark writes: "You also write he would be treated like Manning but Manning is being handled according to the military justice system since he is a serving soldier. Assange's would not be treated in this way. Please, please, learn some of sodding detail before you shout so loudly about things."

Attention: "Assange's would not be treated in this way." Nomark knows that Assange would not be treated in the way Manning is being treated. Well. Either he is an oracle, a lier or he belongs to Clinton's staff and he knows something that the world does not know.

Common Nomark Give us a tip and the source for that.

Question: Did you both know that A.A. is the founder and co-owner of a lesbian club in Sweden? No, right? That she is back in the "political" area? That she is a prominent figure in a "think tank" organization operating in Sweden? With TOP names and organizations behind it?

There are tens of things you do not know about this case. You both have never read all the facts, YES, FACTS, I have posted here. You both seem to be just parrots repeating what others write and you think that your comments are top. Maybe for your family and friends, but certainly not for me and for other ten, at least.

So stop complaining and put yourselves to work properly.

Question: Why do you hate Assange so much? Your way of writing indicates that this is what you are doing, whether you say it directly or not. It is a matter of semantics. I do not hate Assange or the opposite. I defend him because he represents, for me, "FREEDOM OF SPEECH", wheter you like it or not. Sweden, UK, USA, Ecuador or Timbuktu are irrelevant. He represents for many MILLIONS, "FREEDOM OF SPEECH". Hope you know or learn what that means.

Nomark: I did a HUGE exception with you when I wrote "I apologyse". As you can see, that is the reason I am themoron.

bcterry: Sometimes I believe there is something inside your skull, but only sometimes.

Both of you: Stop whining and contribute with facts. Perhaps then, and only then, WE can enlighten our viewpoints about the cirkus.

Is this too much to ask from you?

If no, why not?

If yes, why not now?
10:18 August 28, 2012 by Nomark
themoron

I'm not entirely sure its worth responding but here goes. :

1.- You do not do a proper research

I'm a professional researcher and spend a lot of time publishing research findings in top peer-reviewed journals. This doesn't mean I'm "right" but it does mean I know how complex and counter-intuitive a topic can be. I comment here to point out when others' research is poor and misleadingly strong conclusions are drawn from a weak evidence base.

2.- You do think that only you have the answerss

Really ? Where do I write that ? It seems to me you're making things up (yet again).

3.- You both, plus others, are well known in the threads for always having negative comments about anything.

Well known by whom ? Then again, if posters write ill-founded rubbish then it can hardly be a surprise that the response is often negative.

The fact is that if you p*ss around on the internet looking for "evidence" to support a conspiracy theories then you'll find that "evidence". However, in the process you'll ignore any evidence (which may well be far stronger) which doesn't match the "theory". Result - an overexcitable poster with much to say but a poor grasp of the detail of the case he/she is pushing.

BTW wrt Manning, do you really not know that there exist different judicial systems for the military and non-military and that the military system is for members of the armed forces (which JA is not) ? This is such common knowledge that I'm not even sure a source is needed. But ok, if you want one then here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_justice
15:47 August 28, 2012 by bcterry
themoran,

Put up one post of mine where i said i have the answer to this, just one.

Now you put that out there, so if you do not produce the evidence to back it up, the only conclusion that can be reached is that you're blowing smoke.

YOU'RE the one who has come to a conclusion, not me. As i've stated before, i'll say it one more time, now listen carefully, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, that's why i want to see ALL the facts come to light before it will become conclusive one way or the other.

Did that sink in?

What do you have against assange going back to Sweden to face the accusations and answer their questions, and letting justice run it's course?

Answer that.

If she's lesbian, and all the rest you say about her, SO WHAT, what the hell does that have to do with this case?

Answer that as well.

I'm all for free speech, FOR EVERYONE, INCLUDING these 2 women, who are exercising theirs by making these allegations against assange.

But this "INNOCENT" man has chosen to run, instead of standing up and facing them head on like a man.

Now i believe i have addressed your questions and allegations, now i want the same from you.

As far as who's "whining" here, i'll leave that to others who are following to make that decision.
16:20 August 28, 2012 by themoron
@Nomark and @bcterry.

# 17,backpackerKev, wrote: "So many posters with hate towards the man and yet they fail to read all the information posted by multiple posters including details of what is actually going on and post the same dumb comments like a naive little school kid.

Too many idiots have forgotten that our countries have the philosophy of INNOCENT until PROVEN Guilty. He is Not a rapist until he is proven to be."

Right on target, don't you agree?

@Nomark: You wrote: "I'm a professional researcher and spend a lot of time publishing research findings in top peer-reviewed journals."

Yet your source is Wikipedia. That says it all!

No more comments to a "professional researcher" like you.

@bcterry: You wrote: "But this "INNOCENT" man has chosen to run, instead of standing up and facing them head on like a man." Good Lord. You have never read that Assange did not run, that he was given permission to go to London. If that is runing for you, you are certainly tops. You would not face as a "man" anything. I mean anything. I never wrote that AA is a lesbian. I wrote that she is the co-founder of a lesbian club in Sweden. You are qualifying AA as a lesbian, not me.

Both of you: China still produces wonderful kites. You both have been trying over and over and over again, to cover the sun with your little finger. No way! Wake up, but more important, GROW UP!
19:05 August 28, 2012 by bcterry
themoron,

You chose to ignore my questions, why?

Once again, Where is your proof that i claimed to have the answer?

Do you, or do you not have it?

Also, as to this woman who may? or may not? be a lesbian, who is the co-founder for some unknown reason of a lesbian club, and all the rest you say about her have to do with with this case?

It is not "innocent until proven guilty, it is PRESUMED innocent.

Look up the law, you will find that there.

Your right, he is presumed to not be a rapist until proven guilty, EXACTLY what we have been saying all along.

Assange was ordered to be extradited to Sweden by the U.K. justice system, and he chose to run.

I never said he chose to run from Sweden.

Another of my questions you refuse to answer.

"What do you have against assange going back to Sweden to face the accusations and answer their questions, and letting justice run it's course? "

Now, once more, what about my questions?
21:35 August 28, 2012 by themoron
@bcterry

Now you are lying once more. After this proof of your incapacity of thinking properly, I really trust that you do to a shrink.

In your #44 post, you clearly wrote: "But this "INNOCENT" man has chosen to run, instead of standing up and facing them head on like a man." I repeat: "chosen to run".

Now, You are writing in your post # 46 the following:

"I never said he chose to run from Sweden."

And do not come with a classical "I meant that he ran from London to the Ecuadorian embassy."

Do you see why almost nobody takes you seriously?

And your "what has this woman to do with the case" proves that you do not even care to know the background of a woman who, after being "raped" by Assange, three days later goes to a dinner with him.(FACTS AND ONLY FACTS) Beautiful bcterry! Simply beautiful the type of logical thinking your so-caled brains have.

And just to show you again how my FACTS are appreciated in these threads about Assange:

Assange case relies on US guarantees: Sweden

11:23 August 24, 2012 by smilingjack #31

"keep going moron. I love those facts - clear and precise.

"sadly no amount of facts will ever stop the less educated people of the world.

"it is abundantly clear that both the USA and Sweden pay stooges to flood forums to defend their actions trying any tactic what so ever to deflect the truth. Incognito of course.

"Keep up the good fight. the truth is out there. The yanks will do anything they can to make sure no one gets access to it..

"I wonder how long before there is a mysterious attack on america which will be traced to Iran requiring an immediate military strike from the USA and Israel.

"Ive noticed they have started down the syria has chemical weapons path used so successfully in Iraq."

Put on your glasses and read and understand why my posts are more or less well appreciated here at TL. FACTS IS THE NAME OF THE GAME

Unfortunately, Freud, Jung, Sidis and Frohm are dead. But I am sure you will find a mediocre one who can take care of a very mediocre patient.
23:05 August 28, 2012 by bcterry
Apparently assange is not the only runner that will not stand up like a man, twice i have asked you simple direct questions, and twice you ran away like a school boy who's been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

"And just to show you again how my FACTS are appreciated in these threads about Assange:"

They certainly are by you, as you just can't seem to stop talking about yourself in bravado terms.
10:15 August 29, 2012 by themoron
#48 bcterry

If you do not understand the message ""keep going moron. I love those facts - clear and precise.

"sadly no amount of facts will ever stop the less educated people of the world.

"it is abundantly clear that both the USA and Sweden pay stooges to flood forums to defend their actions trying any tactic what so ever to deflect the truth. Incognito of course.

"Keep up the good fight. the truth is out there. The yanks will do anything they can to make sure no one gets access to it.." it means only but ONE THING: You have nothing inside your skull. NOTHING.

1.- I do not talk about myself. I am irrelevant, but Assange is not.

2.- You are almost an schizophrenic paranoidal individual in the verge of wearing a jacket and to go to join other of your "caliber"

3.- With the same right you have had all along the thread for not answering MY QUESTIONS, I allow myself the same right for not answering YOUR QUESTIONS.

4.- You wrote, and please do not twist your writings so they suit your lies: "It is not "innocent until proven guilty, it is PRESUMED innocent."

Petite Terry: He is also PRESUMED to be guilty until proven innocent. That is how the Swedish system works. Where do you live and what are your sources? O.K. Do not answer because you have the right of not answering questions. You have only the right to speak as a parrot without essence.

"sadly no amount of facts will ever stop the less educated people of the world."

Question: Are you one of them? Thread after thread; post after post, it seems that you simply does not enjoy the intelligence needed to be a good debater; not even a mediocre one.

So, go to China, buy a kite and learn how to fly it.

This is my bye bye to you, because you make me and some others sick. The difference with the others, is that they have not written your nickname to tell how they think about your so-called contributions. I am not that type.

I

If I ever see you in other threads, well, then we shall see what we shall see.

"Bravado terms" A tiny little ant stating that.
13:51 August 29, 2012 by bcterry
The bottom line.

Unless you are privy to what transpired between these women and the prosecution in their discussions, i.e. you were there or have inside information to the exchange, and were privy to what happened between assanage and these women in that bedroom,and i don't believe you were there, then ANYTHING you have presented is simply inconclusive.

That's a simple undeniable fact, whether you accept it or not.

Now until assange steps up like a man, accepts the decision of the U.K. courts and goes back to face this head on, then NOBODY, no matter how smart they are, or THINK they are, knows ALL they need to know to make a conclusion.

I appreciate all your name calling, you're very gifted in that area, but you'll have to excuse me if i don't reciprocate in kind.
18:14 August 29, 2012 by themoron
#50 bsterry

You are pathetic! I have a huge selection of names I could have used on you, but you have been lucky. I did not think you were something worthwile for me to use any of them. Welcome.

My little bsterry: if you want to know what happened between Assange and AA and SW. all the police files are available. They are not classified as secret. It is just a matter of doing a proper research, something that you have proven over and over and over, that you have not the faintest idea of what that is.

I can assure you that it is not a new Swedish delicatess, nor a Chinese one. FACTS are available to any intelligent person who knows how to look for them.

Now, if you want at some time reciprocate, you can find at least twenty synonyms for moron. Be my guest, but I think that you do not know how to look for synonyms. Do you?

SEARCH kid, search. Just do your homework. Go back to school, but please, stop contaminating these threads with trash.

Stop exhibiting yourself as an ignorant. You are not doing yourself any favour. Debate if you like to do it, but do it intelligently.

Do not belong to the herd that opens their mouth without turning on the brain. It has never function that way.

Take care of you. I wish you a better life someplace else, but here.

P.S. How do you know they made love in the bedroom? Were you there? Naughty kid. You have secrets you do not want to share.
20:03 August 29, 2012 by bcterry
"Debate if you like to do it, but do it intelligently."

Laughable.

You don't debate, ........ you dictate.

You refuse to answer any question put to you, or back up your accusations when prompted to show proof. You just ignore, and go off on a tirade.

Although, highly entertaining .
16:55 September 5, 2012 by themoron
#52

To bcterry

Attention: I sincerely apologize to bcterry for having written in another thread, that Hague was an "it" and not a "he" and the stuff about the capital of The Netherlands. What a goof!

I have written some stupidities in my life, but this one got the prize "The Moron of the Year 2012". You, the Grand Jury, just awarded it to me.

It was a mistake resulting from neglect that you were writing about William Jefferson Hague the Foreign Secretary and First Secretary of State of Britain, and what he declared.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.

P.S. I very seldom apologize, but in this case, I felt obliged to do it.
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