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Britain invites Ecuador to resume Assange talks

Britain invites Ecuador to resume Assange talks

Published: 04 Sep 2012 07:11 GMT+02:00
Updated: 04 Sep 2012 07:11 GMT+02:00

Addressing parliament, Hague also said Assange could not be extradited from Sweden to a third country without Britain's consent, which would not be given if there was a prospect of a death sentence being imposed.

Assange took shelter in the Ecuadorian embassy in London in June after exhausting all appeals against extradition from Britain to Sweden, where he is wanted for questioning over sexual assault allegations. Ecuador has granted him diplomatic asylum.

The 41-year-old Australian fears Sweden will hand him over to the United States, where he could face prosecution over the release of a vast cache of leaked Iraq and Afghanistan war reports and diplomatic cables.

"We wish to continue our dialogue with the government of Ecuador," Hague said in a written statement to parliament.

"We believe that our two countries should be able to find a diplomatic solution.

"We have invited the government of Ecuador to resume, as early as possible, the discussions we have held on this matter to date."

Hague said London had fully addressed Quito's concerns about Assange's human rights and fears of onward extradition.

"The suggestion that there would be a risk of a breach of Mr Assange's human rights on extradition to Sweden is completely unfounded," he said.

"The suggestion that Mr Assange's human rights would be put at risk by the possibility of onward extradition from Sweden to a third country is also without foundation."

Sweden, under the European Convention on Human Rights, would have to refuse extradition in circumstances that would breach Assange's human rights, and would also be "legally obliged" to seek Britain's consent before any extradition to a non-European Union country.

"Our consent may only be given in accordance with the international conventions by which the UK is bound," Hague said in his statement.

Britain could only consent to Assange's onward extradition if it was satisfied that his human rights would be upheld, "and that there was no prospect of a death sentence being imposed or carried out," he said.

Britain held seven formal discussions and several other spoken and written exchanges with Ecuador "in order to seek an acceptable resolution to this situation", Hague said.

He said Quito had been reminded that article 41 of the Vienna Convention on diplomatic relations obliges embassies to respect the laws of the host country and "these include the duty not to impede the due legal process of that state".

Hague said that while Ecuador was party to the 1954 Caracas Convention on diplomatic asylum, London was not and therefore was not obliged to meet Quito's request for safe passage out of Britain for Assange.

A spokesman for the Ecuadorian government in London later said Hague's statement had not assuaged their fears.

"What the UK government have failed to address over the last three months, including today, is the inhumane treatment that Mr Assange would face were he to be extradited to the USA," said the spokesman, according to Britain's Press

Association.

"The Ecuadorian government would welcome cast iron guarantees from the UK government that will make sure that the fate that has befallen Bradley Manning will not be meted out to Mr Assange," he added.

Ecuador has said Britain had threatened to storm its embassy and seize Assange, but Hague said: "I have been consistently clear that we are not threatening the embassy of Ecuador."

AFP/The Local (news@thelocal.se)

Your comments about this article

08:35 September 4, 2012 by byke
But what we all want to know, is what is this secret rumour regarding Marianne Ny and her relationship to this case that looks like their may be a conflict of interests?
09:17 September 4, 2012 by HYBRED
It is more of a legal matter than a diplomatic one. Amazing how things get twisted.

Meanwhile; Ecuador uses a sleazy Aussie to make a political statement.
09:43 September 4, 2012 by byke
@Hybred.

Actually, I think you will find it is now a diplomatic issue.

Since Ecuador granted political asylum to Assange, it took the past presidence of law and changed it somewhat.

So any prior situations to this is exactly that, prior.
10:27 September 4, 2012 by themoron
themoron says:

Marianne Ny is involved from feet to head in all this stupidity about Assange. She is the one who, requested by a politician friend, reopened the case.

1 September 2010

"Swedish Director of Prosecution Marianne Ny says she is reopening the rape investigation against Mr Assange, eleven days after a chief prosecutor announced the arrest warrant had been dropped. Ms Ny is also head of the department that oversees prosecution of sex crimes in particular.

"There is reason to believe that a crime has been committed," she says in a statement. "Considering information available at present, my judgement is that the classification of the crime is rape."

Ms Ny says the investigation into the molestation claim will also be extended. She tells AFP that overturning another prosecutor's decision was "not (procedure), but not so out of the ordinary either".

Source: BBC timeline and others.

I BELIEVE that if they act in good faith, Ecuador and Britain might rreach a diplomatic solution, but, that diplomatic solution MUST state that Assange will not be extradited to US to face accusations of whatever. Do not forget that the Grand Jury of the US, already issued a subpoena

Re: II - 3/10GJ3793/II-937

against Wikileaks and Julian Asange to investigate a "conspiracy to communicate or transmit national defese communications" and "information protected from disclosure from national defense".

Do not forget Bradley Manning, please.

So, why should Assange be worried? He has Delirium tremens. and nothing else.

If he goes to Sweden, he will certainly invite Anna Ardin and Sofia Wilen to a reconciliation party. The cook will be Marianne Ny and the waiter Mr. Carl Bild in representation of the Swedish government.

We shall see what we shall see.
12:54 September 4, 2012 by acidcritic
The Assange affair must be solved in Sweden, not in Britain nor Ecuador. The Foreign Affairs Ministry of Sweden and the swedish justice must guarantee that Assange is not going to be deported to USA. A deportation to USA means a death sentence for Assange. Once in jail, Assange will be killed by some "crazy" man
14:01 September 4, 2012 by Tiny Red Ant
Foreign Secretary William Hague did an excellent job of explaining the UK's legal obligation. Ecuador continues to not listen, but there is no surprise on that issue. Hague is correct that Assange's fears are unfounded.

The UK did threaten to revoke the diplomatic status of Ecuador's embassy in London. It is quite interesting that Article 41 o the 1961 convention is auspicious to the the law that the UK quoted. However, it should never have been mentioned so early as it success is based on it being the last option. It has become a diplomatic blunder that should avoided by to all foreign ministers.

Anyways, it seems that some are still stuck on minor issue in the past.
16:16 September 4, 2012 by themoron
themoron says:

"Hague is correct that Assange's fears are unfounded."

Hague can say whatever it wants.

USA and Great Britain can assure the world that they attacked Irak because Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

It Is Assange who is frightened. Assange is the only one who can define if his headache is big or small, not a doctor like the Hague.

If Assange is scared, that is what counts and only that. Not what themoron and/or others think.
20:52 September 4, 2012 by bcterry
"Hague said London had fully addressed Quito's concerns about Assange's human rights and fears of onward extradition.

"The suggestion that there would be a risk of a breach of Mr Assange's human rights on extradition to Sweden is completely unfounded," he said.

"The suggestion that Mr Assange's human rights would be put at risk by the possibility of onward extradition from Sweden to a third country is also without foundation." Sweden, under the European Convention on Human Rights, would have to refuse extradition in circumstances that would breach Assange's human rights, and would also be "legally obliged" to seek Britain's consent before any extradition to a non-European Union country.

"Our consent may only be given in accordance with the international conventions by which the UK is bound," Hague said in his statement. Britain could only consent to Assange's onward extradition if it was satisfied that his human rights would be upheld, "and that there was no prospect of a death sentence being imposed or carried out," he said."

That's a real punch to the mid section of The Local's resident conspiracy theory absolutists.

On to plan B.
21:33 September 4, 2012 by themoron
themoron says:

First, Hague is a city in the western Netherlands, administrative capital of the Netherlands´. Hague is an "it" and not a "he".

Secondly, It is irrelevant what Hague says. Assange is afraid of being sent to the uS and to be judge for whatever the sons of Obama want.

Thirdly, the real punch has been given always to all of those poster who have been trying to describe how Assange feels.

In case you have not noticed, because you do not notice anything at all, Assange had no white hair back in September of 2012.

It has been the stress provoked by the legitimate fear of being extradited to the US, that has provoked the change of colour. And that, is not a speculation. THAT is a FACT, according to scientific sources.

Fourthly, do not come with your classic "you have not answer my questions" jippo. Please.

Fifthly, go on to plan BS+. I can foresee it will be a masterpiece.
21:50 September 4, 2012 by Hisingen
themoron says:

First, Hague is a city in the western Netherlands, administrative capital of the Netherlands´. Hague is an "it" and not a "he".

I have said allow the moron to carry on as usual and he/she will dig him/herself in. He/she screams about FACTS, yet cannot get his/her own FACTS right. Hague, in this case is most definitely a he, If themoron should just happen to read the article he/she/it might find the answer. But of course it is not the truth that matters, only the fiction the moron has in his/her/its head. Sorry, but that hole you are digging is simply getting deeper.
22:32 September 4, 2012 by bcterry
"First, Hague is a city in the western Netherlands, administrative capital of the Netherlands´. Hague is an "it" and not a "he".

Oops. :)
22:42 September 4, 2012 by Tiny Red Ant
What Hague has said is a known fact, long before Ecuador granted Assange asylum. There are various laws and treaties that protect Assange's rights. The absolutist just does not understand that at all, and the concepts are not that difficult.

It is hard to determine where the absolutist gets their ideas from. It seems as though the ideas are plucked out of thin air.
05:46 September 5, 2012 by Nomark
Themoron

Another little factual slip ? Like those on our last discussion when you kept on making up things about my position. After all, its always easier to attack a position of your choosing, which can easily be made unreasonable and sensationalist (rather like your own), instead than someone's real position.

On another note, you mentioned that what is important is what Assange feels. This is bizarre. This case is about two women who have made complaints against him. What he feels is neither here nor there. He is legally obliged to go back to allow inquiries into the allegations concluded. If he thinks its all part of a set-up or that its a staging post for a US-extradition then *he* has to provide the evidence to back up his allegations. So far he's given zero evidence. Furthermore, he and his lawyers have come up with all sorts of rubbish about, eg, the death penality that was so obviously wrong that I wondered why they were saying it (presumably to excite the faithful). Like you, he has lost credibility amongst those who prefer evidence-based reasoning by treating his own speculation and fact.
09:48 September 5, 2012 by themoron
themoron says:

#13

Yes, Nomark. You are certainly keep on leaving NO MARKS in your so-called comments.

Do you know how to fly a kite? Well, it is about time FOR YOU TO LEARN..

What is really bizarre is the way you "think"

Once I told you: "GROW UP", but you keep on liking to be a citizen of Liliput. What a pity!
13:44 September 5, 2012 by Tiny Red Ant
An interesting reference. The most interesting perception they have presented, even though it has no relevance. Maybe if they have the same in-depth research they would not take their absolutist position.

The irony is that they only care about what Assange feels. It seems it is time that they also try to convince Assange to surrender to the Met
13:51 September 5, 2012 by mindmachine
Re: comments #9 and #11 - 'Hague'

'Hague' in the context of this article clearly refers to the UK's Foreign Secretary, William Hague, cf. the end of the first sentence of this article:

"[...] Foreign Secretary William Hague said on Monday."

The city in The Netherlands is called 'Den Haag' (or 's'-Gravenshage') which makes it 'The Hague' in English.

And no, neither the International Court of Justice (located in The Hague) nor the Dutch government (also located in The Hague) aren't involved in the Assange case (yet).

Please do try to get your facts right and also try to thouroghly read articles before posting replies which, er, get the facts wrong (even when the facts are clearly stated in the article).
14:49 September 5, 2012 by Nomark
themoron

I see that when you are called out for getting facts wrong you resort to that tried and tested response of throwing abuse.

You write that the way I think is bizarre. I try to use logic and evidence-based reasoning and demand that of others who try to convince me of the merits of a certain argument. There is (or should be) nothing bizarre about that.
15:09 September 5, 2012 by bcterry
13:51 September 5, 2012 by mindmachine Re:,

" comments #9 and #11 - 'Hague'"

"'Hague' in the context of this article clearly refers to the UK's Foreign Secretary, William Hague, cf. the end of the first sentence of this article:"

Exactly, therefore the "oops".

You simply misinterpreted my post.
16:34 September 5, 2012 by themoron
#18 bcterry

themoron says:

I sincerely apologize to bcterry for having written that Hague was an "it" and not a "he" and the stuff about the capital of The Netherlands. What a goof!

I have written some stupidities in my life, but this one got the prize "The Moron of the Year 2012". The Grand Jury, just awarded it to me.

It was a mistake resulting from neglect that you were writing about William Jefferson Hague the Foreign Secretary and First Secretary of State of Britain, and what he declared.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.

P.S. I very seldom apologize, but in this case, I felt obliged to do it.
14:21 September 6, 2012 by bcterry
#19,

No need, but accepted.
00:48 September 7, 2012 by timbenton51
I am suspicious of anything the British government proposes regarding Assange. I would not put it past Hague to tell the naive Ecuadorians anything to get them to give up Assange.

Why does Hague keep saying that Assange won't be extradited if there is a chance for the death peanlty? The Americans don't want to kill Assange: he'll be a martyr then. Better to imprison Assange for life. Is that supposed to make everybody happy?

What kind of re-assurance is this?

I'm telling you the Brits have got to be so desparate to get Assange in order to make this proposal. Last week they threatened to storm the embassy. Now they want to talk. What for? What's so urgent for the Brits? Time is on their side.

Something is up here. If I'm Assange/Ecuador and the Brits want to talk, I don't want to listen. It's a trap.
13:57 September 7, 2012 by themoron
themoron says:

# 51

Do not forget that Assange is the liar. Neither Sweden, nor UK or the US, have ever lied.

Wikileaks lied with the "Collateral Damage" video that showed how the crew of a US helicopter massacred a group of civilians. The video was produced by Assange Film Incorporated and directed by Vladimir Putin.

All the files disclosed by Wikileaks, were written by Julian himself to discredit Mickey Mouse Productions and Co.

The Swedes, the Brits, the Americans and 100 more, have never put traps. Ecuador and Assange are paranoics. They both suffer from delirium tremens.

Assange has no right to fear an extradition to the US. Sweden, US and the UK say so and so do many of the posters in these threads.

In other words, if statistics say that flying is the safest way of travelling in the world, YOU MUST TAKE A PLANE, and it does not matter that you panick everytime you are up in the clouds.

Assange has no right to fear an extradition. Zaratustra (Sweden,US and UK)has spoken.
23:58 September 17, 2012 by Tiny Red Ant
The amusement of one of Assange's apologist write some many words just to say "Assange is Guilty." Come on everyone knows that it is innocent until proven guilty.
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