March 19, 2010
Published: 15 Jul 09 14:39 CET
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The European Union's wide-ranging Stockholm Programme risks further damaging citizens' hard earned privacy rights, argues Pirate Party member and long-time libertarian blogger Henrik Alexandersson.
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"calls for increased cooperation to fight terrorism and organized cross-border crime."
It in no way proposes to save you from getting raped or beaten up.
The author says "those of us who support privacy rights will have to be vigilant regarding additional measures which will likely be debated in reference to the Stockholm Programme.
This I believe is an absolutely essential stance for all.
Okay David, I'll be round your place tonight wanting to look through your partner's knicker drawer and your wallet, after all, if you got nothing to hide then you've got nothing to fear, right?
Your response may be that my argument is ridiculous because your partner's knickers are private, but that is the argument you see, privacy is all subjective, isn't it.
Me, I've got my privacy to hide, just as you have your partner's knickers to keep under wraps.
For example the gay movement. In Sweden it was illegal to be gay. If you were found out to be gay you could be forced to sterilization and to "torture" in mental hospitals to became "straight". This was going on until the 60'es! It was only because people had the right to their privacy and the right to anonymous communication the gay movement could take shape and eventually become legal.
So please. Everyone has something to be feared by having constant and complete surveillance over everyone.
The world is a lot more complicated than "I do not have anything to hide so I am safe"
Only those with something to hide need to be concerned.
Look at Hitler during his era. He was VOTED to power by the people. Then he gradually limited peoples freedoms, restricting what political parties were legal (and illegal). Eventually he used the
democratic system to create the Nazi Germany and hunted the Jews... So by creating these vast-going systems to monitor (and control!) what we do is extremely dangerous. It is not about file sharing. It is about the core of a democratic system. Democracy needs to be monitored and criticised by its members/the people. It needs to be stretched and pulled at the seams to be and remain healthy. If we require everyone to do and think just as everyone else then we will stop being a democracy!
Certainly, it is not just "people with things to hide" that needs to be concerned.
Of course its great to track international criminals but surely agencies do that already...Interpol etc..
You may personally have nothing to hide today but perhaps down the line you may disagree with the Goverment or EU agenda...You send an email to your friend discussing it...eg: you dont want your children to be forced to have swine flu jabs or to pay the carbon tax....next thing you know they are at your door telling you that under the ''Stockholm programme code'' you are a terrorist for being a non-conformist and must come with them!!!
The 'Pirates' are right to think ahead and question this...and any potential ''add ons''
Also look at France with their HADOPI law. It is all about going the media/large corporates ways rather than actually spending the equal efford to fight child porn or organized crimes. You are considered guilty unless you prove otherwise!
There has to be a sensible middle way to safeguard security without getting to the point of prying into ppls.every thought.
There is absolutely no reason why the government should be able to intrude on someone's privacy under the false guise of "security".
Are people really so dense to believe that this is going to somehow halt gang crime and credit card scams? Not so likely. And even if it did, it still wouldn't be worth my loss of privacy and freedom.
It really astounds me how many people shrug it off and say, "well I'm not doing anything wrong" or "well if you don't like it maybe you have something to hide!"
Seems like a lot of people haven't yet figured out that laws change. Just because you aren't doing anything wrong now doesn't mean you won't be later. Maybe you like to smoke? Maybe 10 years down the road that will be illegal. Then you will have something to hide. Do you really think the government should dictate what is wrong and what is right? Or should you, a competent adult decide that for yourself.
Or when somebody's head is being kicked in without reason and thanks to the camera footage the authorities can identify them?
Or when somebody gets killed, say by crossing the road and a car hits them and flees and that person can be traced? We all want justice when we are being hit with tragedy, dont we.
Is that not the whole purpose of having surveillance camera's? Or do you really think the government has got the time and resources to check the private life of each individual in Sweden? The UK has the highest density of camera's in the world and they are being used in resolving crimes all the time.
The UK is quickly dissolving into a police state, and everyone knows it. It also does not seem to be doing much to drop crime rates. If you want to cut down on crime, you've got to increase education and fix economic problems. Adding security cameras just pisses people off.
Nobody likes being watched and monitored, including the majority of people posting in this thread. It is a very unsettling feeling. Sometimes these cameras might help, but you'd be foolish to think they aren't going to be abused by some authority figure down the line (if not immediately.)
I think its a terrible idea for a government to have to monitor its populace. What kind of a place is that? Why would anyone want to live anywhere where you actually need cameras all over the place to feel safe? And I wonder how many children would actually like the idea of being monitored wherever they go.
I'm amazed how many people will support anything that promises to fight crime without anayzing the measures being proposed. If we did not have the past few centuries of loosening surveillance, the Reformation wouldn't have happened, people would still be forced to live according to arbitrary rules of the past.
Privacy is an extremely important component of the Englitenment upon which modern Western civilization is largely based. European governments are already fighting cross-border crime, they do not need to increase cooperation if that increased cooperation includes more tools for the security forces to scan through innocent people's e-mails, cell phones, etc.
The Stockholm Programme is creepy and unnecessary. It only takes away from Europeans' civil liberties as did the Patriot Act in the USA.
Long painful story a bit shorter, Police were able to get a good look at the guy, the license plate of his car..thus leading finally to the beaten, sexually abused body of the little girl that was dumped in a church yard. Her body was found on Superbowl Sunday. I will never forget it...I was making hotwings for my group of footballers.
The perp is on death row as I type.
Inletwatcher
There is no such thing as a neutral government. A government can be guided by marketing and corporate interests, by specific religious agendas, by ideologies, etc.. What you perceive as being 'neutral' is the ideology that is most familiar to you.
We know there is a lot of 'chatter' online from various extremist groups, if monitoring can pick up some of this and help support the fight against terrorism worldwide then the argument for privacy comes a long way down, sorry!
Ask yourself, if the London tube bombings could have been prevented by the spooks reading your mail would you still have had a problem with them 'snooping' through your mail?
I am comment #31 and I can't believe I am the first one to post it.
In regards to others comments on here. No agency has the brute force to read every email, sms, web chat, and phone conversation. My guess is it will be something similar to what google already has in place. ever notice how their advertisements relate to keywords in your emails? as well as your searches?
There will be no webcams in bedrooms. Just CCTV cams like you already have all over London and various other cities.
So what´s the big issue with increased surveillance?
What a great way for the people to make free silent movies!
All you have to do is organise your cast, act out the scenes, and then request the relevant footage from the Government. A bit of editing and BINGO you have produced your first silent movie!
Surely this is an example of the EU expanding the potential for cultural experiences!
cheers
The Black One
ps I am all for surveillance cameras if helps catch bad persons and makes the streets safer.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
Something tells me the world has moved on a little since then...
You do not secure the liberty of our country and value of our democracy by undermining them, that's the road to hell
— Lord Phillips of Sudbury
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Phillips_of_Sudbury
But when did he say this? Was he actually referring to the increased security?
If we vote for increased security, surely we are not undermining liberty or democracy?
- Josef Stalin
Are you for this or against it...or what?
I cant really tell from your post at all!
The lawmakers in the US make laws for laws already on the books that are not inforced. In the US, fees, licences, and price controls make it hard for the working man or woman to make anything. Most citizens are not aware of it. The land of the free is not so free anymore!
The world is in transition.