Pirates close in on Riksdag: poll
Published: 19 Jul 09 10:38 CET | Print version
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The Pirate Party and the far-right Sweden Democrats are on course for seats in the Riksdag according to a new poll.
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Carl Melin at polling firm United Minds expressed surprise at the continued support for the Pirate Party, which claimed more than seven percent of the vote in recent EU elections.
"It is a little surprising that they continue to enjoy support, but they have had a lot of attention. If I were to take a guess then the Pirate Party would not get in, but it is not unthinkable," he told the newspaper.
The advance of the Sweden Democrats is however less of a surprise to Melin.
"They have been doing well for a while."
The Social Democrats claimed 31.4 percent in the poll, the Green party 10 percent, the Left party 6.7 percent, the Moderates 26.8 percent, Liberal party 6.5 percent, Centre party 4.5 percent and the Christian Democrats 4 percent.
Other parties claimed the remaining 1.8 percent in the voter survey.
United Minds asked 1,914 people "which party would you vote for if an election were held today" online between June 24th and July 17th.
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The issue is that the old fashioned parties don't know what to make of the internet. And we are not talking filesharing only. We are talking digital civil rights and how they have been generally abused in Europe for too long.
I think the Pirates are a phenomena just like the 'green parties' which respond to a specific need in this day and age. They won't go away easily.
I do not receive a weekly salary. I do not receive a monthly salary. I do not receive a yearly salary.
I depend on my copyrights and royalties to see me through periods when I don't earn any money from writing.
Sometimes that can be as long as 2 years.
The thinking of the Pirate Party is naive and is the enemy of culture. If they were to get their way less would be produced. Production businesses would produce less. Book companies would publish less.
I think they are just selfish.
But all of that is only a small portion of what the Pirate Party (NOT(!) the Pirate BAY) stand for. And with warrentless wiretapping, US customs having the right to seize your laptop without recourse and the issues around net neutrality and deep packet inspection you have issues that are at the core of the pirates' agenda.
To reduce the Pirate Party to free filesharing for all is both wrong and not helpful
I read that you "respect" culture. Yet without copyright protection book publishers and movie makers will only make surefire blockbusters that pay back in a weekend, and not contribute to "culture."
Who would rent a studio to record music, pay expensive engineers, to say nothing of paying the musicians if the result will only be "stolen."
You are confusing issues of personal privacy and your personal confiscated computer with basically a desire to get everything you want for nothing.
And by the way, books in the public domain are available in libraries and used bookstores.
I think it's hipocritical.
Let me clarify: I'm NOT filesharing at all. But I support the Pirate Party. Why? Because I believe that we need to have a FAIR balance between what is copyrighted and what not. It is not just all about you, it is about more and about questions of basic justice. Is it fair that patent trolls buy generic patents to sue the hell out of any innovative company that actually produces somthing? Is it fair that e.g. Jeol (http://joelfightsback.com/) should pay up to 1 Million USD for 7 shared songs? (he broke the law, don't get hung up on that, but is the treatment fair to him?)
The issue of copyfraud is explained here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/26/copyfraud/
Besides, Olsen - your problems are not with the pirates, but with the people that are underpaying you. After watching Cribs, where people are changing cars whenever the ashtray fills up and have 343 rooms in their villas, it is clearly a problem of revenues distribution nature. I mean, seriously. Recently Nicholas Cage sold ONE of his castles in Spain, because he never visited it. Lower the prices for CD's, books, DVD's and the problem will disappear. Let Britney Spears have only 5 houses, she will survive, I am sure
There are hundreds of thousand of jobs at risk in the music and film industries - how are all those people supposed to take care of their family's future if so many jobs are lost due to selfish people wanting to download everything for free?
Should we do away with them? No, that's not a solution either. The keyword is "fairness". And there we have to start the dialogue. And that Disney got its own copyright law is not 'fair' in that sense.
Your comparisson stinks by the way: If I share a thought, a concept, a song with you it does NOT mean that I'm not having the thought any longer. Knowledge multiplies when being shared. So why treat it like a TV?
As for the jobs: a) Linux created thousands of jobs even though it is given away for free. b) If your business model is broken fix it. Don't call a lawyer.
I was reading an interview by Victor Wooten the other day. He is an awesome bassist and produces a lot of instructional DVDs. He was talking about some of his stuff appearing on Youtube before its even been published.
He said that if a kid uses his paper round money to save up and buy one of his DVDs then the kid will value the DVD more and learn harder. Wheras if they download it for nowt what value do they place on it?
Interesting perspective.
It is rather comparable to me buying a 50 inch TV and inviting all my 30 buddies to watch the game and the richie rich mr. Panasonic and mr. Sony are trying to put me to jail because I stole 30 potential customers from them! They are also working. What, the guys who assemble and design the TV's do not have families to feed?
What if I want to download some TV show, but without the ads? What is the difference between that and changing a channel every time there is a commercial? Lets install a system that will disconnect your cable if you dare to change a channel during the commercial break, because Brad Pitt needs Bugatti Veyron in his collection of cars and talented Paris Hilton needs a house nr 123.
I agree that the artists and record companies are greedy but anyone who justifies the downloading for that reason are just as selfish.
As for you magazine/DVD analogy, OMG... There is a huge difference between sharing with a few friends and sharing with hundreds or thousands of strangers.
Pirate party suport just goes to show that stupid people should not be allowed to vote.
""Pirate party suport just goes to show that stupid people should not be allowed to vote.""
The Pirate Party stands for more than just free downloads.
They campaign on civil liberties and privacy rights also.
It is much like a Sheriff of Nottingham v Robin Hood situation and I go with Robin, until the Sheriff stops screwing the poor, just to make the filthy rich even richer.
If they charged a fair price including a more reasonable profit margin, ppl.would not be so keen to look around for freebies and be much more likely to pay the market price.
Funny you talk about the Sheriff and Robin Hood, what is the Piratpartiets fiscal policy? Oh thats right they dont have any.
I have a lot more respect for people who own up to vote PP because they want free downloads than those who use excuses.
But I deeply care about digital civil rights. Now tell me, who is representing them in today's politics?
Today's politicians are "internet printers" that don't understand the issues they cause with an IPRED law, they don't understand what it means to give all the power in the world to FRA & co.
So who should I turn to? Apart from the pirates I don't see a single political power doing anything but eradicating more civil rights in the digital world.
where on one hand you have people saying,if it wasn't for me brad pitt wouldn't have that big asss house on the hill. the other hand people are saying,hey you are stealing from me i need to have my way of life and be able to live and eat! does brad pitt need that big ass house on the hill and the one on the beach? does the people that made brad pitt rich,need to get free stuff since the made brad whom he is? the record companies and movie companies has been fleecing the people for years now. now the tables have turned and the people can get movies and cd's for free. i see it like this the rich are afraid of getting poor and the poor are afraid of being poorer. file sharing to me is ok as long as the people don't over do it! if you are making money off file sharing then that's wrong? what are digital civil rights? where do we draw the line and how will we draw the line?
Here's a simple solution. Brad Pitt doesn't really need 5 houses. Bill Gates doesn't really need all that money. And to be honest, do people really NEED music? You're not going to die without music!
All people need are three things:
1) Food
2) Water
3) Oxygen
So the solution is to ban everything except for food, water and oxygen. After all, our ancestors slept in caves without fancy televisions or restaurants or MP3s, and they were fine.
The Pirate Party needs to redefine itself to crusade against greed. Ban everything, allow people only the minimal goods for survival, and people will be much happier.
After all, human civilization was a utopia before consumerism. Nobody ever complained about not having the latest music, because there was none. There was no such thing as a rich/poor divide because everybody was poor.
I think a lot of younger politicians are certainly aware of the internet and how it shapes all our lives now so I expect this generation of politicians to be far more aware than the generation above us.
I care about my internet freedoms but I also am prepared to say I dont give a toss who reads my mail if that kind of surveillance is used correctly and stops a terrorist atrocity.