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Iranian nationals have been banned from Swedish university programmes with ties to nuclear and missile technologies following a warning from the country’s Säpo security service.
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What is next? Let's ban Iran from internet too. Come on! The people living there are human beings. Not less than any Karl or Anna! They have basic rights such as studying. Let them have it!
If there is a fight in between EU and Iran, this thing is simply, hitting below the belt.
For Sweden, Education is a widely exported commodity. Restrictions can and should be applied as deemed appropriate - and this present situation is appropriate.
From a social perspective, well Sweden unfortunately won't win. However, its better for Sweden to be labelled as a racist / discriminatory state rather than a state complicit in the proliforation of nuclear weapons via the export of knowledge.
If this was a newspaper they'd sell a bunch based off that.
I didn't know there were any N.Koreans studying in Sweden though....wonder where I can find them.
Which to be honest should have had tighter restrictions for all many years ago.
This is not any kind of blanket ban on any nationalities.
From your statement I guess you are enrolled at Blekinge/Dalarna/Malmö or some other of the substandard unis...
Would any other country allow swedes to join in such programmes in their countries?
Would Iran allow swedes/foreigners to join in such programmes in Iran?
I have no idea why sweden did this only to Iranians.
"...concerns about masters and PhD programmes in subjects which could involve technologies related to nuclear weapons or the rockets used to deliver them."
"...it is up to each institution to decide which subject areas will be covered by the restrictions."
"The rule is somewhat fluid. This is an example of something which has dual use, both for civil and military purposes"
Does Sweden will get its share now from Jews? I thought Sweden had good relationship with Islamic countries.
To be friend with two Billions Muslims would be better than to be 5 or 6 million Jews who got no land and living on the stealing lands. with two billions you can make good profits. these others might steal your land too LOL
The question is why is a country with so much oil developing nuclear reactors anyways? Don't tell me it's for peaceful purposes. These technologies could easily be used against us. The west has been training Iranian students in nuclear related sciences for far too long. I hope all other western countries follow Sweden's example.
And your way of discriminating countries based on majority religion there is really self-revealing. Are you in a religious war?
Sweden and majority other countries don't have good relationship with countries that represent a threat to others, which is exactly the case of Iran and North Korea. And it has good relationship with many non-fanatic Muslim countries like Egypt, Kuwait...
These doesnt end here. Thereafter the Iranisns as a state policy help Hezbollah and other terrorist groups in instigating wars etc.This measure has come in too late but better to have it.
I was always surprised to see these students leading an amazing life in Sweden although their parents couldnt afford to send them here and they are not entitled to Swedish loans/grants. Who pays them?
Moreover I believe not even these but the Bio Sciences programmes should also be banned for Iranians. I am hearing of stuff where these people are interested in procuring Chemicals weapons technology?
Lets make the world a safer place!!! Any takers
I am an Iranian student in Sweden and I hate Iranian government more than you, if policies of that government makes you just worried, it shakes my life.
I don't have any grants from Iran, I have study grant from Sweden.
You just say:
" Bio Sciences programmes should also be banned for Iranians."
It is very easy to just close eyes and sack them altogether, but did you think about consequences of what you said in the lives of so many innocent young people. The same people who are fighting this crazy Iranian government and get killed in streets of Tehran. If a very tiny percentage come here for a nasty purpose, it doesn't justify kicking them altogether. Each case can be investigated by Swedish embassies before they grant the visa.
Does this policy of mass-punishment you suggest, reminds us of Nazi policies of mass murdering poor innocent Jewish civilians of Europe, just because they were Jewish ... and here you do it just because they are Iranians ...
How do you propose that Sweden can 'testä to see if a student will one day use the knowledge they gain for the Iranian government?
Yes, I agree that it is quite harsh to ban all Iranians, but it is no where near on a par to Nazi's. Seriously, I would remove that bit from your post if I was you, it ruins your whole argument.
anyway quick recap - countries with nuclear weapons:
United States, Russia, UK, France, China, India, Pakistan, Israel
All of these countries have exhibited forms of terrorism so why Iran ?
Politics my friends is a filthy game..
I won't go back for anther reason, I am gay and also a bit allergic to God, so prefer to stay away from God contaminated regions. Anyway what do you suggest means tomorrow morning Swedish government send me a letter and burn all years I spent studying and kick me back to Iran just because I am Iranian and they are not sure anyway for which purpose I will use my education? I think comparing with horrible Nazi policies is quite justified, it is by nature same: "Mass punishment not because crime one person committed just because he belongs to a special nationality, culture, colour, religion ..." It is horrible and against all human values. I felt really heart broken by reading some comments here. I am Iranian, I have always been a responsible person and I believe in values like democracy, peace and human rights, so why I have to be expelled, what is my crime ...
Believe me in this though, I agree it is really quite harsh if they refuse your rights to finish your education.
As the article says, it is the screening applicants and students that will be more stringant, there is no part that says ALL Iranians will be thrown out, or even refused.
If USA and Iran normalize (likely event) their relations, what Sweden is up to then?
Why you should have nuclear weapon and not me?
Americans used their weapons and killed thousands of kids,women in Japan.
Israel has this weapon and killing everyday innocent Palestinian and stealing their land.
I would like to see Iran gets its Nuclear weapon in order to keep the balance in the middle east.
Before we had the balance, the old Russian and America. after Afghans kicked Russian butt in Afghanistan then we lost the world's balance and now Americans are occupier.
and again I am asking Why you should have nuclear weapon and not me? I am sure I would not kill like you guys killed the Japanese children and women and wiped the whole city. Fking terrorists .
If someone wants to advise another country first they should correct themselves then starts advising other what to have what to not.
Now that's a perfect example of ass-kissing. Let's hide known terrorists while we're at it so Al Qaida won't attack us.
Because you're a lunatic. As is Iran's current regime.
So? USA =/= Sweden?
USA =/= SWEDEN.
- Is there really any learning material in a standard university educational course that could be used for threatening nuclear activities? and isn't accessible by other means such as Chinese , Pakistani or North Korean scientists? So the Iranian government has to send "students" to a university in Sweden?
- Who sets the definition for "subjects which could involve technologies related to nuclear weapons or the rockets used to deliver them" and the "somewhat fluid" rule? Can't Mechanical, Metallurgy, Civil and Computer Engineering studies being put in the definition?!
to be continued...
As for the "fluid rule": the implementation will be decided by universities and they will act reasonably, academic staff are typically not panic-mongers.
Imagine some Iranian Scientist working in Bio Science and goes back to Iran and starts their chemical weapons programme and passes that info to Hezbollah,Hamas etc!!
catastrophe? Man , this will be like starting 3rd World War.
Moreover, I will continue from my last post a lot of Iranian students who study in these High tech programmes are funded by their government. And their state policy is to aid and abet hezbollah,hamas and other terrorist organizations.
The other nuclear powers dont have this as an outright state policy so this becomes increasingly important to stop these 'students' from pursuing the wicked plans of their government.
How do we distiguish between the ligitimate wants and aims of an individual, and the ones that are here just to extend Iran's government capabilities?
First you should throw this government out. All the top leaders and that includes your Grand Ayatollah or whatever you call!! They not only dispute the Holocaust but whenever they give a speech they chant Death to US, Death to Israel etc!!
tell me how many countries to do as state policy?
Legitimate or not, you should first talk about regime change in Iran.
people say the iranian elections were disputed? maybe but where were people like you Kieruk ? why didnt you stand against the regime. Thats the point if you people come here and live here and not want to get back then Iran is going to become more radicalized!
If you dont want your future generations to suffer then you must give back. go to Iran and organize some action there so these guys dont live in the Stone age spreading hatred amongst the world.
Do you know all the civil wars taking place in the Middle East have an Iranian Connection?
Everything has an iranian connection and then you have the gall to say we are practicing 'profiling of you' people. You deserve this . It doesnt matter for us if you say you are not responsible but your government. As far as we know your govt is chosen by you guys so ??
I think all Iranian students are like that?
Tell me where do they get finances from?
besides a lot of them have not done their mandatory service in the Army. Thus when they finish they would have to complete it and so a lot of these students may join the Defense forces!!! No points for guessing what they would be doing?
I think I have given loads of pragmatic comments. Now you suggest to us why we shouldnt treat you people on the contrary
Where are you from Pacey? Should we judge you purely on what your government does, or would you like to be an individual, rather then just someone who has a government?
Prudent indeed, Sweden was quickly finding itself in the crosshairs, regardless of how neutral and progressive it's stance and policies are.
Probalby not...this is after all only real people, students at that, and not some guy given immense powers to control everythign and the ability to say 'everyone after me isn't as good as me, do as I say' (peas be upon him)
IMHO, what Sweden did is a bit demagogical and is not clearly the SOLUTION and somehow if something happens in the future the Swedish Government could at least get rid of any accusations of indirectly fomenting and sponsoring the education of terrorists in their own country.
You should know NONE of us has financial supports from our government.
All PhD students have support from the university and all master students pay theirselves.
I finish my comment with a sentence of Albert Einstein:
When ancestors of Europeans were eating each other in the forests of Europe, Iranians built universities.
Of course you don't know the influence of Iranians of science during the history. I just recommend you to read the history.
I look at the way Iran is going as a backwards evolution of sorts.
Eurostan I challenge you to name ONE SINGLE Iranian terrorist.
but that "QUITED REMOVED" Iranians never limited others and distribute science. I'm not sure if others do the same these days...
This restriction was imposed last year in December when it was the time for application to Swedish universities. This is not new for Iranians. Btw, this seems to be just a discrimination against Iranian people not government. Iranian government won't give a damn about it. Iran is already enriching unranium. The only missing part is building bomb that I'm not sure it is something we can learn in University programme!! T
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_scientists_and_scholars
You're really pathetic.
You didn't see millions of those Iranian who went to the streets against their government? So now Iranian people and government are the same? Do you also find Americans resposible for the deaths of thousands of Afghanis and Iraqis?
You have clearly no idea about a master or phd programme. There isn't anything special in it.
You think we don't have those bio high tech labs in Iran. Iran is among top ten countries in nanotech stem cell science.
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You and your ilk suffer from prejudice and lack of information!
these limitation is also against Iranians, not muslims.
They just try to give some excuses to satisfy themselves for this vile discrimination. When they can't find any they need to come back hunderds year back!!
ANY IRANIAN terrorist so far? I really want to know their names!!
and i've been with many nations in student corridors and i've got to say they are not the way you might be thinking. you'll notice differences when you bury the prejudicm and get in touch with them then you 'll see the differences.
Terrorism. Just ugly. No matter what uniform they are wearing, or hiding behind.
This thread is not about 9/11. Its about education being supressed from a group of peoples based on their bloodline.
I can see both sides of this. Both have wrongs and rights.
Inletwatcher
All are backed and paid by Iran as state instruments.
Ahmadinejad one of the biggest of them all esp look at his comments at the time of Israel- Lebanon war.
@ Iraniboy if Iran has so many labs etc then why do these students wanna come here and study?
iran is like a virus- the swine flu- which prospers when the climate is nice- it doesnt want too much heat being put to it?
We must do all we can to vaccinate ourselves from it.
I challenge you show me ONE report or film showing Iranians celebrating when your bros and sis were burning in Trade Centre. Like I said before you guys, either suffer from lack of information or you just want to satisfy yourself by false allegations.
@Pacey
For the same reason as my American, French, Spanish, Italian, Polish, British, Dutch, German, Pakistani, Mexican,... classmates come!!
Ok now I understand from your comment about flu, that you're just a bigoted racist. Thanks for clarification.
I am very very sorry for accusing your peoples unjustly. I can find nothing in my search on Iran dancing in the streets. I feel horrible for this mistake, and want to state my mistake in writing, as I accused in writing.
It still does not erase the fact that a group of people are being refused education by their blood.
It does not help one bit, as its up to me to teach my children the way it really is.
Thank you Iranboy for showing me, and helping me learn this ugly. I just want to understand. I am open to reason and am ready to hear.
Inletwatcher
If we don't ban them, we risk anything from a major terrorist attack to arming a country with atomic, bacterial or chemical weapons.
This ban maybe politically incorrect but is necessary for our protection.
1)You're suspecious about Iranians (who are barred here) should be based on a history? Right? Can you name one ONLY ONE of those Iranians who that has done any terrorist attacks?
2)You surely haven't studied in master degree and you don't know that the materials provided in these programmes are nothing more than what you can achieve from the library!!Anyhow is it OK for Iranian government to hire a non-Iranian student to send them the information.
3)How come you feel risk from a country that hasn't attacked any othe country for the last 100 years and has been attacked by chemical weapons in recent decades? How does people of this country can contribute to this risk? Do you feel the same risk from people of America or Brtain?
However, they can't stop Iran's progress by targeting the innocent Iranian civilians.
Anything is better than the IR as should be clear since Iran has the highest rate of brain-drain in the world. And Sweden is a great country to live in. But, it should be mentioned, that the Iranians who are banned from the programmes are NOT permanent residents. So they don't "choose to live in Sweden." They're from Iran and are studying in Sweden - once they finish their program they can't stay here.
Shows your own ignorance. Most stable countries have nuclear technology and a Swedish education is recognised around the world.
In Iran? Says more about you than it does about us.