February 13, 2012
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Three children of a father accused of abusing and imprisoning his family spoke out on Thursday as the trial of the 58-year-old kicked off in Uppsala in eastern Sweden.
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My heart goes out to them. ;**(
A child who was locked indoors for 20 years in Sweden? And who speaks Swedish???? To the level of understanding what they are asking her in court???
I am sorry for these kids who are being used in husband-wife problems. Where are those so-called children rights groups? Why are they accepting that these children be tormented to this degree? And I am sure they will after a few years testify how they made up the entire story just as the boy who testified against Jackson came back after his death.
I assume thet these parents either have psycological problem or they are very sick. I'm afraid they will be sent to one or two years in jail and then back again. They have to be sent back to Iran so he can be prosecuted and get a longer sentence.
(maybe its all part of a very sinister plan)
P.S - Congrats to the child welfare groups.
Your obviously doing your jobs very well
there is something behind this.
push them all back to iran!
The mother obviously stood by and did nothing, during this abuse and did not inform the authorities. She should also be deported with him away from the children.
There is no excuse for this situation having been allowed to develop on the part of the parents or the authorities.
Trow, got any new facts about the case from your website soundslikecraptome.org
:-)
55% of Muslims marry their first cousin?! Blah Blah Being in a Muslim family, only one of my aunts have done so among all of my aunts, uncles, coursins,... Your statistic is weird but consdiering your hatefull comment, it explains it. Those apposed to multiculturism are mostly xenophobes who think everyone is wrong except themselves. It is a kind of dictatorship in belief. Thanks Renfeh for reminding us Austrian Fritzel. Not mentione the Italian, Indian,...equivanalt. Are they also part of western culture. I don't think so. Despite you and your xenophobic views, I think all cultures have good and bad people among themselves. We shouldn't pick bad ones to introduce that culture.
Although, I think it is very likely that any culture look at their own culture and find many positive traits and look at another and find the negative aspects of that culture. However, we all know there are plenty of faults in each of our cultures.
However, in this case I believe it is most likely about a tyrannical father, not a cultural difference. How can we possibly forget about the case of Fritzel, the Austrian father who held his daughter captive in a basement for 25-ish years, and the mother/wife who lived through this hell and didn't stop it?
Continued...
Let's agree on one thing, don't blame the children for actions solely created by adults. Don't accuse them of being malicious money hungry wolfs when it is most likely a legal move by the lawyers to make sure the father gets put behind bars and very little chance to manipulate the judicial system to his benefit.
These children didn't wake one day and decided that they are going to pump "the Swedes" for money. It is this kind of narrow-mindedness that is going to get all of us in huge trouble.
There is a saying in Swedish - "think further than the length of your nose". It's time for all of us to do just that! Let's not stop at the first convenient thought, but let us try to exercise our brains a little
This development is also now noted in Denmark where 40% of all Moslem births have produced disorders resulting from recessive genes due to consanguinity (first cousin marriage). The West can't afford --- medically, financially, educationally or socially --- what the Br Minister calls 'the elephant in the room.' The Fritzl case, on the other hand, stands out by its rarity. For Islam, these problems are the norm.
Do any of you know whats its like to actually be told, "I own the air you breathe" ? I hope you have not.
Allow me to point you to this story, this is just one of many, "unbelievable" stories.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/crimina...f_fritzl/1.html
Imagine if you will, the people involved in the saving of this family, if they had the same mentality as some of the posters above this post. Read if you dare, Elisabeth's story I have linked. No this is not the same story, as the start of this thread, but it has to do with DV, at its ugliest.
Or is this simply a case of a man living in sweden flaunting the local laws (regardless of his background)
Fritzl has told forensic psychiatrist Kastner that his mother regularly severely beat him as a child, kicking him even when he collapsed to the floor, bleeding. She never hugged or kissed him or told him she loved him, Fritzl claims, and she brought him into this world only to prove to his father that she wasn't infertile. ***copyright by CL
It does not take inbreeding to make someone absolutly insane. This man was said he was "born to rape."
Bottom line is for me, DV is in every city, country...its in your own neighborhood.
Without open hearts and ears for the silent screams, it will never stop.
I am a muslim and the muslim society I live in DO NOT believe in consanguinity. As a matter of fact, we believe that it is against nature to marry a first cousin, especially if it is from the paternal side. Marriage among cousins may be common but NOT first cousins and this is more a cultural practice rather than a religious one. So maybe it's time all of you open up your eyes and try to spot the difference between culture and religion before mouthing off. It just makes you sound prejudiced and ignorant which is unfortunate if you are not.
Must have some level of trust in the "system" to get to the bottom of it all through discovery and rebuttles, surbuttles and all those courtroom workings. I just hope that after all this is said and played out, whether the kids lied or not, this family deserves help for their minds and their hearts to repair. If its true its horrid. If its a fabrication, its heartwrenching for this father. Unimaginable pain. I feel sorrow for them.
There is truth though, however deeply hidden, it will be dug out. Another thought in my little mind...
They were held from school. I also wonder if the kids were ever given the personnummer here in Sweden, or not. How can people just disappear in this ultra high tech age?
Inletwatcher
And I do genuinely apologize if you took offence at my comment. I'm just frustrated by the prejudice I face myself just because I am a muslim (from SouthEast Asia) and my husband's family keep waiting for me to live up to their image of what a muslim is. 2 years on and they still have fears that I will turn my husband (who converted) or unborn child into a first cousin marrying terrorist.
In my view, what is frustrating is that Muslims themselves are extremely prejudicial to any and all views and comments criticising Islam or Muslim cultures and that, as you did with your reply to the Nutcracker's first comment about consanguinity shows, Muslims themselves tend not to do what you preach others to do - to separate religion, cultural practices and social environment.
I think Muslims will face less prejudice from people of other culture if they stop their own prejudice against these people. Do you agree?
To demonstrate this, let me pick up on what you said in the above post, namely that "Sometimes" it is not the religion that is to blame but a practice within that culture that has been reality for so many generations and spread due to migration."
So, since Islamic religion does sometimes need to be blamed for its inherent wickidness or badness according to your above post, could you please list for us what would such wickidness or badness be with Islam?
What we will find, I think, is that many "Muslims" will disagree with your list of faults with Islam and they will come up with others, or none at all, let alone what people of "other religions" list as faulty with Islam!!
In other words, although ALL readings of Koran or Islam are result of culturally biased and prejudicial interpretation, Muslims often, if not always, force others to interpreted only as a force for "good" and not "evil"!! This is despite whether Islam is "good" or "evil" is entirely depends on one's "interpretation"!!!
So, here we can derive at a conclusion. "ALL INTERPRETATIONS" of anything, be it "religion", "cultural practice" or "social environment", are "CULTURAL" (or have cultural dimension attached - meaning requires "human input", which is an act of "interpretation".
Note, "interpretation" is done by "HUMANS", not "GOD", therefore religion (e.g. Islam), no matter how (e.g.) Muslims want to claim it as inherently "100% good", "pure", and "god-sent", can never escape the evil desire by some humans to do evil (e.g. justify mass murder) in its use of the word, Islam (because "Islam" is only "a word" (i.e. "I"-"s"-"l"-"a"-"m", sting of letters) to be interpreted and manipulated of its meaning).
http://www.slate.com/id/2222567/
I can't do all that fancy smachy internet linking stuff, hope this works
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