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A prominent Swedish MP has insisted that she is not trying to use the European Union's Lisbon Treaty to impose liberal abortion laws on Catholic countries like Ireland, which will vote on whether to accept the treaty in a referendum this autumn. She just wants a proper debate, she says.
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Who ever said liberals hold all the wisdom and knowledge in this world to dictate to others what they should permit and not.
- individual rights
- business
- free trade
You are not confusing it with the way that the term is used in the US I hope
Actually, in countries that have allowed abortion, the number of cases have decreased year by year.
It is only a matter of making legal practices that already exist underground and assuring better safety for women.
Said that, I think that Irish people are mature enough to decide by themselves.
Ohlsson might want a European law but as an Irish citizen I would prefer it if Irish politicians would get up off their substantial rear ends and do what they are paid to do i.e. Legislate!
Choice is not forcing abortion on people. Choice gives women freedom to choose for themselves.
Ireland is still a backward state, contrary to what you may have heard about the celtic tiger. I have seen the high level of church control, not just catholic but prodestant as well.
Religeous backwardness needs to be swept away in Ireland and Ireland needs to be brought at least into the 18th century if not the 21st century.
Im quite happy to have Swedish and other euro politians impose their laws on Ireland as much as they want, otherwise its back to the Ireland of 1925 literally..
Nonsense. If its not Catholic then what is it? I wouldn't call Ireland truly secular as the Catholic Church is still highly influential in politics, albiet less than even a generation ago.
Ireland has been bled dry by the catholic church for decades. The chuch ran workhouses in which women and children were worked to death for the profit of the church.
Take a look at this site to childabusecommission.ie to see where the insidsuous nature of the catholic church went in Irish society. Since that report, the catholic church is still running all the schools and hospitals.
Also Northern Ireland is dominated by the catholic church, Free Presbyterian's and other prodestant churches.
Regarding the new blasphemy laws in Ireland, it will be technically illegal to talk about priests abusing children or question the catholic church being in charge of all schools and hospitals. Ireland has just taken a step backwards that could technically take it back to the inquisition.
Wrong again Beavis. There is no real real comparison between Sweden and Ireland. The church hasn't been involved in Swedish politics directly for several generations. The Catholic church still usurps a lot of influence in Ireland.
"Since that report, the catholic church is still running all the schools and hospitals" er nope.Only 50% of hospitals now.And scbools are not all run by the catholic church, even when they had the most power they were not. (Take for example Mount Temple where U2 formed in the '70s.)Yes the church was evil to the core and still is (im not disagreeing) but to say the state is Catholic is incorect.Take a look at this website.At least 75% of Ireland is now non-catholic.The figures show that most of the population are catholic due to people being born into a religion-leaving and still being counted.
http://blasphemy.ie/
In the coutry areas about 90% of schools are chruch run. Only in Dublin and cork is the percentage lower. The same applies to the hospitals. Dublin figures never apply to the rest of Ireland.
As for your statement that 75% of Ireland is non catholic, that is nonsense. Tell that to anyone who is not catholic and living there. If 75% of Ireland was non catholic there would be very quick changes in the society.
The Irish need to stop voting the way there grandparents voted. Also religeon needs to be banned in Ireland and declared a mental disorder. All church assets should be seized by the state, as it was the taxpayers who paid for it all anyway. Churches should be turned into bars, nigthclubs, social centres, etc. Then maybe the country can start to advance to about the 11th century.
I agree with their assets being seized.The cathoic church need to be made pay (literally) for their sins.:)