Malmö hit by wave of car fires

A few car fires (and a few rapes) is a small price to pay for the diversity Sweden has gained.

DreEstwd. You are right, Sweden should put a stop on immigration from Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Australia and drunks from Ireland and England. Only then will all this madness stop!

Fires in Malmo? Gee, I wonder which ethnic group is likely behind these fires. That's got to be a tough one for the police to figure out. :-)

It has more to do with level of education rather than IQ or nationality! and if Sweden's appetite for getting more diversity vanishes?? I wonder why this just very simple fact is not recognized?? then immigration may have different reasons, to scholars/experts it has something to do with research/job comptence and fare. immigrants have a wide miscellaneous spectrum then it might be better to state more specificly what immigrants?!

More yutes, I take it.

If Sweden likes diversity but the good types, more incentives and better criteria, like lower taxes for professionals and higher educations, are needed. these are obstacles. then when US and Canada are far better to catch them because of better regulations Sweden has to keep the less level of the shares!!

Dont group all middle easterns or africans because its know from which country the majority ARE! who are spoiling public property and rioting. Because they are uneducated ,they think violence is the way to solve things But am sure the Law will win and they will find those people.

Why does Malmo not have security camera's in the city centre and problem spots? As for the police, they are worse than useless as are the prosecutors and judges.

Don't get me wrong, in my opinion Sweden is a far better country than the UK or Ireland to live in, by far.

However Sweden needs to round up its politicians, police, prosecutors and judges, put them in a mental institution, then replace them with people who can actually do there job.

Police be active, find real criminals before it is too late. Emergency number respond quickly, or else this stupid people will spoil the safe record of this country

The problem is not immigration per se. The problem is immigration from Islamic countries. Islam is not compatible with Western values (as Geert Wilders, for example, pointed out several times). Criticizing Islam (and cultural relativism) is not racism. Religion is one thing, race is something else. I'm Italian, I live in Sweden and I respect and admire the Swedish way of life. If you want to live in an Western country, you should leave behind your retrograde ways -- especially the religious ones. As an atheist myself, I think we, Europeans, should stick with the lesser of two evils. Christianism is bad enough, we don't need another stupid superstition. That is my rant. Cheers.

P.S. By the way, I am aware that the car burnings are not directly related to religion unrest. I'm only commenting what other have posted here before, like @Greg in Canada, @DreEstwd etc.

Well I think the car owners would have been grateful if you had contributed your few drops of diversity to putting the fire out.

Luigi I agree on Islam. I disagree on purifying Europe to Christianity only

christian africans, christian Lebanese and Syrians, buddhists, jews, druse, hindu, gypsies, pagan, tao etc are perfectly capable of adjusting to the Catholic/Protestant european way of life. And by the way, there is no religion that is not in a conflict with Islam SOMEWHERE in the world. Because the essence of Islam is not to adjust yourself to others, but to make others like yourself. There is always a favourable point in heaven if one converts an infidel. There are also favourable points for acting if the infidel is too stubborn.

Luigi, there is a fundamental difference between US and EU on how they look at immigrants. US encourages and supports the high skilled/educated/.. foreigners, so while admitting that US is more religious than EU, even this religious population doesn't make such problems which we see here and much severe ones in France. so strategy is important saying how you are gonna build a diverse society and not just by simply shipping a rainbow of humans...

If you cage immigrants or anyone for that matter into a sh@thole with not much prospect of a job and add to that a mickey mouse police force, then don't be surprised when a MINORITY of idiots start doing these type of things.

Governments talk about integration etc etc, but never put enough money into the right resources to deal with the core issues. And then muppets like you make stupid comments. Do you know that probably 90% of crime is down to Swedes!? Does that mean that we shouldn't trust Swedish people in general? Of course not!

If it weren't for immigrants, idiots like you would have to do the jobs that you deem beneath you like office cleaning, etc. You tend to hear about the Eastern block people who have gone abroad for work and they work harder and better than the locals while providing a professional job at less cost.

In essence, Sweden didn't invest in the structure to deal with the high number of immigrants that it kindly granted asyslum to. Add to that mismanagement and you will get trouble. If it couldn't afford it to do the job properly, Sweden should have reduced the number until it could cope. Furthermore, they have to monitor work applications to ensure that discrimnation is minimal. It's difficult enough to get a job when you're a white westerner, but if you're from Iraq etc, life becomes even tougher.

Anotehr big difference between immigrants to Swedena and the US is that most are from Latin America. These LA immigrants go to teh same churches as Americans and tend to be very close culturally. Now you place people who have grown up in traditional societies where religion and family are everything into a country like Sweden where blood and faith are just things to analyze and never strongly connect to, then you are going to have problems.

All these discussions re immigrant / multiculturalism / Islam / etc. are academic and useless.

This is all a result of a very law birth rate in Europe and the need to maintain services to aging population. If "Western" "values" in Western Europe will disappear one day - it is not because of Muslims moving in. They are just filling a void - that they did not create.

How ironic it is that the survival of the fittest is dependent upon birth rate at the end of the day. - That means that the religious high birth rate will out survive the Darwinian Atheist (assuming they have a very low birthrate).

And to Europe I must say : Enjoy!

Exactly. In this, the twilight of western civilization, much of Western Europe is on a demographic collision course with Neanderthal man. Maybe Denmark, Finland, and possibly Germany can avoid it, but the UK, belgium, The Netherlands and France are well on their way to becoming Eurabia. Sweden and Norway are just a bit behind on the same path.

Increased dot wmv has some interesting data on low birth rate

"More than ten cars were set alight in a series of arson attacks across Malmö on Sunday night."

Islam. The religion of Peace!

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@Torontonian, there is a much lower birth rate in Toronto than in Sweden. Come here and see by yourself.

But it's true that the few childs that we can see in Toronto are a lot more from family coming from superstituous countries (you know, where they want to stay because it's so enjoyable to live there).

I can even tell you that in few years from now, Toronto will change its name for New Islamabad.

Enjoy!

Apart from the huge numbers of immigrants arrived from the Middle East, nobody seems to mention that the emmigration rate of Swedes hi-tailing it out of the country recently reached a one hundred year high!

Seems that the wiser Swedes already see the writing on the wall and think that Sharia law is not so far away.

A leading Swedish politician said so much recently,recommending that any Swedes not leaving should be kind to the immigrants in the hope that the kindness is repaid when the day of judgement comes around.

@Jack Sprat - I tried to do a quick search of that data. Could you post a link to the data you have stated about emmigration?

As for Sharia law in Sweden...that is sensationalist garbage.

I think Immigration is very significant for the growth of any country however resources should be in place and Government should help to create jobs or something to develop poor people with low education. I lived in Malmö for six yrs and unfortunately integration has not been established over there. The source of all of these improper acts is ignorance, isolations from society, not having descent job. I believe the role model for Swedish society should be CANADA. I am not saying there is no criminal activity here but certainly nothing to do with poor immigrants if this is the case in Malmö.

Torontonian: As your fellow Canadian, the superb writer, Mark Steyn, said in his book AMERICA ALONE: "The future belongs to those who show up for it." However, demography does not have the final say in one sense; a hostile, unproductive and destructive alien presence can also be overturned by people prepared to defend themselves, their values and their nation. They do, of course, need to be confident of what these are and what they stand for and be willing to assert them and protect them.The history of Europe is, in part, that of Europeans resisting and expelling Moslems because Islam is counter-productive, parasitic and degrading of human rights in its fundamental doctrines and practices. Left-wing notions of 'it's all down to poverty and discrimination' ignores what Islam believes in and its ultimate goal.

Statistica Central byran.

44,908 in year 06 to 07,...1% of the population,...highest in 100 years.

Soon Swedes could all be gone,...however I believe immigration is about double that rate at least, so maybe my last comment is not so far off the mark.

see also Swedish Chronology

Westerners who do not know or understand Islam do not recognise the importance which Islam places on emigration to a non-Islamic place (hijra): the Koran states it is incumbent upon the Moslem to emigrate in order to spread Islam and to set about making non-Islamic societies/lands 'islamic' (mosques, Sharia, customs etc). Koran 8:74 "Those who believe (Muslims), and emigrate, and fight for the Faith (islam) in the Cause of Allah" 'In the Cause of Allah' is used in hundreds of verses in the Koran and Hadiths; it always means Jihad, either through warfare, or with 'pen, heart (mouth), wealth' to bring the world under submission. This call to emigrate in the Koran is not restricted to a particular historical time or place. Unrests in Malmo are by Moslems emboldened by Western nations' failures/unwillngness to defend themselves and aided by media/govt/academia/clergy PC.

All 3 monotheistic religions are incompatible with western culture if you take their books literally. The reason why Christians and Jews fit better than Muslims is because they have had much more time to adjust (change was not so sudden) to these new values and these values although incompatible with their religion (if you follow their books literally) have been accepted by majority.

As far as Sharia law is concerned, most Muslim countries don't have it (many countries have a form of sharia law that governs only internal family issues). Majority of Muslims would say that sharia law is best law but when it comes to voting for it, majority will keep silent.

Lack of appropriate regulations for immigration: failure very simply because of the models of social systems as a particular issue to EU and low birth rate as a common issue to whole West. I can't find good reasons to have high educations just because of high sociality!! Universities here are getting empty or they don't put enough efforts again very simply because of social systems, there must be good incentives for those who spend their time on learning difficult things and develop good ideas, who give me a s.. if I m a top engineer in Ericsson, on the other hand young Swedes might laugh at me for spending my time on complicated things! how surprising is that: a factor which has led to the development of a society now is becoming a negative development?? do young Swedes think that they got welfare enough and diversity so they found lack of motivation?? in my previous professor's study the answer is Yes, if these are values within (EU and )Sweden, downhill is not a surprise,

Traditional Islamic values and Sharia have no place in a modern Western country, not even within the family. They run counter to the civil rights and liberties that we expect to be protected by the state.

Also, how do Swedes equate diversity with the overwhelming number of immigrants coming from a very small cross-section of the world?

I can see lots of comments stating islam as opposing idealogy to west (which I think west needs one) specialy after the collapse of Soviet-Union. I don't find it realistic because there is not a power balance between two. I'd rather call it some conflicts. but here the problem, I guess is poverty and low education of those who are doing this stuff, also rising expectations for wealth and education these people have got and even those migrating. you can even notice it in comments. these are gifts from a automatic payment (social) system which by default and on the air you are paid money!! so no big deal what someone coming in here is supposed to be and be doing, just ship them in.. (for showing humanism,..)

Enjoy money and diversity!

10:55 August 11, 2009 by someoneonthenet

"The reason why Christians and Jews fit better than Muslims is because they have had much more time to adjust "

No, because in essence Judaism is not missionary and a basis for Christianity is peace. While both are opposite for Islam.

Besides, they had 13 centuries to adjust. How slow one has to be, not to adjust to values of not not considering a woman as a lower being, not spreading your religion with constant violence, not beating your children, not allow judicial system to cut off hands and allow killing of your own daughter. Seriously? How much longer do they need to adjust?

soneoneonthenet: All 57 Moslem counties in the OIC (Organisation of Islamic Conference) signed the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam which states in Articles 19, 24 & 25:"There shall be no crime or punishment except as provided for in the Shari'ah", "All rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Shari'ah" and "The Islamic Shari'ah is the only source of reference for the explanation or clarification of any of the articles of this Declaration." Females are victims of enormous injustice under Sharia 'domestic' law. The Cairo Declaration is in direct contravention to the UN-sponsored Universal Declaration of Human Rights.:

see this link for comparison of both documents:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Ohmyrus30816.htm

@Nutcracker

Sharia law puts a lot of restrictions on both men and women. Signing of that statement is equivalent to a Muslim country saying "Islam is the only true religion". It is almost undisputed that if anyone steals (except few cases in which he is forgiven (e.g. if he steals food or anything else to survive, etc)) his hand should be cut off, even then very few Muslim countries implement this law. It has been almost 20 years, and still most countries have not tried to put full fledged Sharia law in practice. The declaration they signed simply said that Sharia law was best law, if it had mentioned what Sharia law required them to do, there would have been many countries that would have abstained from signing. Another way of looking at it is most Islamic countries are not following "Cairo Declaration".

@Uncle

Muslims also claim that "Islam is a religion of peace" just like all other religions. Islam does not say that women are lower than men, it says that they are different than men so they have to lead different lives (primary purpose of man is to provide for his family and woman to take care of children and house). Women had more right in Muslim world (could inherit, earn, keep property, divorce their husband) compared to Europe during first 10 or so centuries of Islam, i admit that even though Europe was late in granting them rights, it has surpassed Islam. I find it strange that lot more (almost 4 or 5 times) women convert to Islam compared to men. I doubt that any popular organization in Islamic world is spreading Islam with violence. Don't blame what small minority of Muslims do especially stuff which is illegal in Muslim countries. Just like no one blames Christianity because 1/4th of South Africa's male children think that it is fun to gang rape, or that more than 20% of women have been raped at least once in their life. Africa is only place where Christians are living in conditions comparable to that of some Muslim countries. In those countries crimes are high, rapes and wars are common, women don't have rights. When you compare African christian countries with African Muslim countries, the differences are minor compared to differences with European countries.

I was not talking about mainstream Christians or Jews in last post, i was only talking about their Holy Books (they are filled with stories or laws that no one can even suggest to be introduced in any developed country). here are few examples (you can find many similar orders or permissions by GOD to kill people in the book of peaceful Christianity):

1)Buying slaves

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=31;

2)GOD instructs to kill anyone who worships a different god

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=31;

3)Few more rules about slavery and selling of daughter

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=31;

4)Burning of daughter

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=31;

5)Smashing babies to rocks

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=31;

Even if you look at Catholic church (although it has reformed a lot), it still opposes birth control, homosexual relations, premarital sex, women can't hold top positions and many more things that are against western culture. Similarly some Jews follow laws like, Sabbath, no premarital sex, homosexuality is not allowed, no pork, etc.

Majority of Christians and Jews rejected most barbaric ideas only in last few centuries. I find it fascinating when people claim that Christianity or Judaism have nothing in common with Islam. Islam is just a newer version of older two religions. Anyway it is not the fault of Europeans that Muslims are living in the past.

As far as this issue is concerned, i blame Swedish authorities (in addition to immigrants who did this) because they did not filter immigrants properly, they should not accept more immigrants than they can handle. They should try much more harder to integrate them in Swedish society or at least put them to some work. Keep in mind that people who cause problems like this are usually among the poorer immigrants. Those immigrants who have decent jobs or are leading decent lives are lot less likely (maybe even less likely than average swede) to commit any crime.

soti: Your examples quoted are all from the Old Testament and Mosaic Law; Christians are under the Covenant of their Lord, God & Savior Jesus Christ who preached love, mercy, repentance and forgiveness. Quite a contrast to Mohamed the warlord. Contrast the New Testament of the woman to be stoned as an adulteress with that of Mohamed: John 8: 1-11 "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her...And Jesus lifted up himself and said unto her, "Woman, where are they? Did no man condemn thee?" And she said, "No man, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn thee; go thy way, from henceforth, sin no more."

Bukhari 6:60:79 "So the Prophet (Mohamed) ordered the two adulterers to be stoned to death...I saw her companion (male adulterer) bowing over her so as to protect her from the stones." Small wonder Moslems never want to talk about Mohamed.

The naivety of countries like Sweden is staggering.Why is everybody pontificating about these problems? The USA,UK and France made these mistakes many years ago so to see stong,noble,lawful,respectful countries like Sweden,Norway ,Denmark and Finland submitting to this disease is so tragic.You silly,silly people.I mean that in a respectful way...but please..why..God help you!

soti: Last time I looked (yesterday), Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Darfur, Mauritania, Kenya, Nigeria, Turkey etc. were implementing Sharia. And in non-Moslem countries with Moslem enclaves such as Britain, Sharia courts are now in place with their judgements accorded force of law. Considering the amount of 'honor killings' (allowed under islamic law) and death threats against apostates from Islam being perpetrated in non-Islamic countries (Sharia demands death for apostates, adult and children), Sharia is most definitely in force.

There is soon going to be blood on our streets all over the west. I even predicted this 30 years ago when I was only a teenager. Even then I knew the Muslims were intensely anti west.

At the time I said, " Our politicians are litteraly letting the Trojan Horse inside our gates." With regards to immigration policy.

Not only is the horse comfortably inside the gate, but the enemy has easily disembarked and surrounds us all.

The west is screwed.

Only two countries (Saudi Arabia and Iran) have full fledged Sharia law, most other countries (including UK) have Sharia law for stuff like marriage, divorce, inheritance, apostasy etc and it applies in most cases to Muslims only (in case of UK, sharia court get involved only if both parties prefer to go to sharia court instead of normal court, similar laws exist for Jews for many years).

Honor Killing (killing of a family member or the other person involved by family members) has nothing to do with Sharia (it also happens in few non-Muslim countries by non-Muslims e.g. India (Hindus), South America), it is illegal in most countries (although some of these countries have lenient punishments). Sharia law does punish people for adultery (punishment range from lashes to stoning depending on country) but it is very difficult to prove adultery, normally 4 witnesses are required.

You mentioned stoning, i would just like to clarify few things. I do not know the source of the incidence that you mentioned, If source was very reliable then all Muslim countries in which adultery is crime and handled by Sharia law would have stoning as its punishment.

Another thing, the image of Muhammad that people in West have is extremely different from what Muslims have. The stories that Muslims (majority) read or hear while growing up are close to a perfect person, honest, truthful, forgiving, fair, non-violent (almost all battles he fought, he was under attack), keeps his word, works side by side other people, against cruelty to animals or plants, gives a lot of importance to education, etc.

The reason why I dislike all three monotheistic religions is because they share the same flaws. Thick books, in which most things are open to interpretation, one can draw multiple meanings if one wants to. It is more important for all 3 religions to believe in their version of GOD than being a good person.

Here are some examples from NT (just to show that NT (much better than OT) is still not free from violence or unreasonable laws):

1)Kill my enemies

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=31;

2)Beating slaves

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=49;

3)Don't think about any woman sexually AND divorce for any reason other than adultery is not allowed

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=31;

4)Something for gays

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=31;

5)Women should be submissive to their master (husband)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=31;

6)as the church submits to Christ, wives should submit to their husbands in everything

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=31;

7)Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=31;

Uncle mentioned a good point before that I have not seen you retort to...Judaism is not missionary. Judaism sees no need to convert anybody to Judaism. "Modern Jewish teachers repudiate proselytization of Gentiles in order to convert them. The reason for this is that Gentiles already have a complete relationship with God ; there is therefore no need for them to become Jewish, which requires more work of them."

Not being missionary and forcing laws on anybody is a significant difference that should be acknowledged. Furthermore, Jews are maybe 12-13 million in the whole world and when it comes to Sweden, the Jewish population is now roughly 18,000 - with a very low birth rate - a negligible minority (compared to Muslim Swedes are around 250,000-500,000).

soti: You are ignorant of Islam: you don't "recognise" the source I quoted (Bukhari)?! The aHadith of Bukhari and Muslim are second only to the Koran and with the Sira (bio of Mo) form the holy texts. 'Umdat al-Salik 01.1.2 Manual of Islamic Law states no legal retaliation against "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." Also, (17.3): "Muhammad said, 'Kill the one who sodomises and the one who lets it be done to him." All sects (Hanafi, Shafi'i, Maliki, Hambali, Ja'fari) mandate for, and carry out, death sentences on apostates, adult and child. There are NO mandates in New Testament to forcibly convert, persecute or kill non-adherents to it. Sira (Ibn Ishaq p468-9): "(Mo) went out to the market of Medina..and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for the men and boys of the Qurayzah tribe and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches...600 or 700 in all."

Nutcracker, Muslims are constantly hiding behind reasoning that was invented AFTER Mohammad did or said something. "Oh, he married a 9 y/o because he loved her like his child", "oh, he said not to spare infidels, because he meant SPECIFIC infidels." "oh, he had sex with his own cousin because it was legitimate then", "oh, he said - "Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.(Ishaq 324)" because he meant it in an abstract way".

It is just that 98% of terrorists in the world are actually taking it literally. You should sit on islamist sites and convince them what Mohammad "actually meant". Don't lose your head.

let us not be dogmatic

not all muslims are behaving out of religious motives we must look at hte wider picture the social and economic and demographic conditions

one important example is that we forget that the neighbour finland just few miles away has an old minortity of muslims since the days of russian occupation why didnot the finnish colmplain as the swedish do now .THINK

this ISLAMOPHOBOIA is not helping anybody but the bad truth that the western civilization just always needs an enemy

when muslims were occupying spain the wetsern scholars went there to learn from the muslim scientists like bin rushd then later started the western renaissence when are we look to civilization as a human one not eastern or WESTERN

What muslims from the Christian Orthodox Russia stayed in Finland? 6.5 families? Really erases all the violence of muslims in Europe, Middle East, Far East and Africa!

Besides this only proves that there is no ISLAMOPHOBIA in the west when the Muslims are not practicing PYROMANIA. Namely Muslims are actually DOING something in order to get this dislike and to offload everything on unreasonable phobias is becoming harder and harder.

As well as blaming the socio-economic situation, when comparing muslims to the poor hindu and buddhists.

Anyone who thinks that this is a matter of education and not a matter of Islam's inability-by-design to peacefully coexist with anything else (including itself) should do the following experiment:

Get out a map of the world

Put a red pin in every location where there is a conflict or "hotspot"

Now take out the pins where Muslims living next to someone else is not a factor

What are you holding? North Korea?

Who have been creating fears and earning honor by nukes? what '5' reminds you of? aggression has a cause as Dorothy Thompson says:

"The most destructive element in the human mind is fear. Fear creates aggressiveness."

In all 'hotspots' or 'conflicts' you see US' presence even in North Korea, I can not draw a conclusion however,

Who are the drivers (financial supporters) of child traffic and pornography, drug traffic and mafia?? who are doing collective, race killings and rapes in Africa??

simply making a general statement is hard..

We are weak and obcess by materialistics value. To much tolerance, humanism and democracy. How we judge masculanity in the western world?? by our capacity to iron clothes...

Islamic culture is just stronger

Islamic culture is only stronger because the West has been guilted into weakness. They'll awaken, kick these self loathing progressive types out of office and remember just how it was they got to the top of the food chain.

Hopefully it won't be too late and hopefully too many American boys won't die to save Europe's bacon from the fire. Again.

Re: #55

Nice. A quote about fear from the people who rely on terror as a political tool. I guess you'd know, you guys wrote the book.

The U.S. is in North Korea? Really?

Who are the drivers of the narcotics and slave trade? Again - islamists. The situation in Africa, when it isn't being exacerbated by muslims, is due to tribal conflict. You can't justify clinging to a medieval culture by pointing to a neolithic one that is worse.

Re: #57

" I guess you'd know, you guys wrote the book."

well the quote is from a journalst (Dorothy Thompson) a Anti-nazi writer, she was against terror! firing cars is not a terror, terror would be a big disaster if it happens in Sweden but terrorists i hope never succeed here.

this is a conflict. if Sweden likes diversity the conflict is inevitable. situation in EU is exacerbated by social systems since they have raised up expectations. there could be just a little fear if these conflicts turn into terror..

An observation:

When I was in Sweden 3 years ago I saw lots of Arabs/Persians/Muslims. Whenever and wherever I saw them they were usually in groups of other Arabs/Persians/Muslims.

We also visited Helsinki, Finland. In Finland there were fewer obvious immigrants, but there were some. There were more Indians(subcontinent) and Asians. More often when you saw them in groups, they were with Finns.