Sweden summons Israeli ambassador

Pure blood libel:

Not different than Der Sturmer:

http://zionism-israel.com/dic/blood_libel_germany.jpg

And it is the conditions in respective countries that allow such incitement to be published.

Am I the only one sick of the Israeli blood sucking of the European people each time someone says anything against Israel.

We are dealing with Israel as a democratic country not as a bunch of Jews, and if the article is true then this is a war crime, and not in any case related to religion (from a political point of view).

Well, sorry Israel, seems that Sweden is not one of these nations to support you blindly just because some of your people might have suffered outside Sweden's borders.

@Torontonian:

you are very true. leftists, stalinists and maoists are not one inch better then nazis. the so cold clutire-redaction of that hate-newspaper comes very close to the cluture-redaction of "der stürmer" of julius streicher.

@delusion1982

Yes, you said "blood sucking of the European people" - just like this?

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/DerSturmer2.jpg

Europe got rid of most Jews in WW2, Sweden with its neutrality showed their position in WW2. In spite of everything, Jews have made incalculable contributions to the world, in medicine, science, technology, philosophy, literature, etc, which for their numbers far outweights the contributions of most other peoples. Now Europe is taking in countless millions of Muslims, a people who in spite of being over a billion worldwide and having tons of petro dolars have not contributed much. KARMA is coming to Europe and Sweden, well deserved; time will tell. Eurabia is well on its way.

If Aftonbladet has the right to publish this article, then one also has the right to condem the article as libel and incitement to violence. Freedom of speech is ok as long as it does not incite violence or hatred towards a particular race. This libel + issues about 'occupied territory' or Israel's 'refusal' to help create a Palestine state 'hide' something which is 'unwritten' in the media - they are merely the logical outcome of how it is the history of Israel which has been whitewashed and rewritten - not 'Palestine'. The cart has been put before the horse so writing/reportage becomes inverted and reads like Orwellian fiction. I tremble to think how this 'fiction' is so 'real'. Hitler alone couldn't have created the Holocaust. It is the inability to distinguish between 'anti-semitism' and 'criticism of Israel' which by default, de-legitimizes the state of Israel, that the seeds of the Holocaust were planted.

"The Jews" making something a much bigger deal than it really is. Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, you people have made several contributions to the world, there is no doubt about that. It's too bad that all anyone thinks about, as it pertains to "The Jews," is how they bitch and moan and claim racism at the slightest drop of a hat. Look, stop bring the Holocaust and Hitler up in every, single conversation. People are so sick and tired of it and it is probably the main reason why the rest of the world doesn't like you. You could have truly had the world's sympathy but you chose to milk this Holocaust thing for way more than it was worth.

From The Local editorial:

"When Aftonbladet in 2006 refused to publish the controversial Danish Muhammad caricatures, the newspaper's then editor wrote, "If one approaches sensitive issues, then they must be handled in a thorough manner". For whatever reason, the newspaper has singularly failed to apply the same logic in this instance."

"For whatever reason" - the reason is very clear. One only needs to examine the history of the publication.

"Heavily influenced by pro-German staff members, the newspaper supported Germany during World War II."

I am wonder how and why the Israeli can ask from Sweden to publish things according to their taste ?

This is the true side of Jewish, first they suck muslims blood and now they are sucking blood of European countries.

Well done Swedish, that you show the real face of Israel to world. Well those who are silent on such a disgraceful acts by Israeli then they should be think that if such bad things happen to them then what ?

@DreEstwd

You are full of contradictions:

A few quotes from your own comment

1."you people"

2."the rest of the world doesn't like you."

and then you say:

"The Jews".... "bitch and moan and claim racism at the slightest drop of a hat."

How fitting

@DreEstwd:

your comment brings the opinion of a old german nazi in my mind who said:

"we germans will never forgive you jews auchwitz."

the thing is going on in most parts of europe is a slow process. muslims and their leftist slaves take over more and more the mass media (instead of the jews) with all the bad consequences for europeans.

it goes so far, that you are titeld as a nazi when you support israel and the jews (gert wilders) or when you speak against the islam.

@ritz, could you please explain how you think that this article will incite to violence and hatred?

should people hate Russians for the news related to the atrocities some of their soldiers committed in Tchechenia, should we hate Americans for what that they did in Iraq, Italians for their soldiers raping Somali women in the 80´s, French for their Algerian crimes and...???

This is an article about a suspect crime committed by soldiers that can be true or not but I do not understand how this can incite violence.

Honestly, I fee that it is triggering much more negativity towards Israel this arrogant and upset reaction than the original article.

And, please, let´s stop saying that if you write something against Israel and its army you are nazi. This is a ridiculous thought.

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@browneyes10

I am sure you have the final solution to the Jewish problem...

This is becoming ridiculous. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Reporting of an ALLEGED crime that was NOT in the NEWS section. What is the problem?! Do they have something to hide?!?!

The discussion is getting besides the point though.

If IDF would not steal organs from bodies of Palestinian victims - why it would be difficult for israelis to explain why that long seam has appeared on the body of shot palestinian?

They are taking out organs of palestinians and selling them to fellow jews and wealthy buyers. That's bloody brilliant!!!!!!! not only they are getting rid of their enemies but making money and saving jewish lives at the same time..................................Our only problem is that ...........it's not only unethical and immoral................. but it's out right cruel and inhumane and swedes don't put up with that.........and please stop tooting holocaust horn!!!!!!..............guilt trips are not going to work on swedes.

I do not see the matter is so complicated that Sweden MUST apologize OR be accused for racism and so called anti semitesim if would not .simply Its a kind of free speech and expression as we do and publish my and your comments here in this newspaper .

We have freedom. I do not know if its allowed in Israel to say anything. Proud of you Sweden

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=new%20jersey%20jew%20organ&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&tab=nv#q=new+jersey+rabbis+organ&hl=en&emb=0

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=new%20jersey%20jew%20organ&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&tab=nv#q=new+jersey+rabbis+organ&hl=en&emb=0

To the guys who does not accept criticizing what Israel is doing:

A known Professor in Ben-Gurion University in Beersheba, Israel, has described the situation there and he feels ashamed of that as any free Jew in the world (who are many actually).

Please check the following link from Los Angeles Times:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-gordon20-2009aug20,0,1126906.story

P.S. This shows that Aftonbladet has not MOST PROBABLY claimed the report and thus the report deserves investigation from the international organizations.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH:

This is not about freedom of speech it is about cowardice and lack of spine. When it was the Mohammad cartoons the Swedish Government closed the website...

Inciting people to hate and manipulated people to see the other as lower form of human is the first step toward killing them.

During the war, Winston Churchill referred to Sweden as "that small, coward country"... get a spine or, at the end, the same faith will be awaiting you.

Hey, try reading the article before accusing it of inciting anything. The people doing the manipulation are the ones making the accusations against it's author.

@Torontonian:

You still try to match between the cartoons and this article? They are as different as the white color and the black. In the cartoon case it was insulting, ironic drawing of a person who is a PROPHET for lots of people KEEPING IN MIND THAT INSULTING IS NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

On the other hand, Until now me and many of the people around me including many comments here DO NOT see any insulting in this article, so it is still within the freedom of speech.

Insulting is not accepted as freedom but POINTING OUT at crimes is TOTALLY within the freedom of speech.

The cartoons were so ugly and I do not think that you accept someone draw MOSES or DAVID in this way.

eh... the muhammed cartoon were never censored. first the danes posted it but no one considered it newsworthy. then when it became an international incident it was published in the majority of media so everyone could see what the fuss was about. the government never apologized for or condemned that either :(because freedom of speech) and the ambassador is in big trouble with the state department for condemning it. the word jew was never even mentioned in the article, when did criticism of a country = antisemitism? israel =/= jews. link to a translation:

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2009/08/exclusive-translation-article-that.html

Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak freely without cersorship or limitations. so danger mouse you do not think the jews find it insulting? are you telling me no islam country has ever made a cartoon of another religious icon.

i say it was insulting to me and many more not to show the cartoons.

if you do not have evidence that the IDF is doing this then it is not a crime it a accusation.

i think its ok to publish this and the cartoon. if muhammed is off limits for discussion then maybe Bush is off limits. i voted for him twice as millions of others.if you say he is hitler then you insult us

Sweden shut down a website over a mohammed cartoon which shows double standard

Swedish Foreign Minister Laila Freivalds described Kuriren's move as "a provocation" by "a small group of extremists".

"I will defend freedom of the press no matter what the circumstances, but I strongly condemn the provocation by SD-Kuriren. It displays a complete lack of respect," she said in a statement.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4700414.stm

"When we had an agitated discussion about what many people saw as official defamation of Islam and the Prophet Muhammad, I think we gained an understanding that it is through openness that we best build the tolerance and the understanding that is so important in our society," Bildt wrote. "That is my belief in this case too."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1249418665710&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

@jeffdan and other Israeli-Pro-Israeli who have newly joined!

Muhammad cartoon is like making a cartoon from Moses or an insulting cartoon from a Jewsih rabbi. That is exactly Anti-semist. But in this case the author just witness a crime by the army of a country.

The long discussion here proves only one thing: This tabloid failed to supply real coclusive proves for it's claims, so he shouldn't have published this article. the fact that it did, points out that his reporters are poor journalists, and that there are good reasons to believe the editors has some kind of prejudice about israel.

sorry, i just don't eat what every little reporter/blogger gives me...

have a nice week, everyone.

bocale1 and all the other smarty pants here. The problem is not the invention of atrocities-because it is not even the issue.

Freaking Aftonbladet can write that Jews eat palestinians for breakfast and put their children in a blender and drink them. (While the wonderful Muslims cut off hands, hang gays, beat women publicly, burn foreigners alive, poison each other with chemical weapons, rape in prisons and it IS FOR REAL.)

The problem was that the author compared the invention with other jews in USA that were involved in trading medical organs illegally. This is an insinuation that ALL jews have the same behavior. Exactly like the nazis did.

DreEstwd - you are so thick that you even put the word Jews in parenthesis eh? By that actually doubting that there are any Jews, you, donkey. In that case you even cancel the hatred of your Muslim brothers towards the Jews, because there are no Jews! Proving that it is whether YOU or the rest of the Muslims are completely delusional.

No. You are not the only one, by a long shot, who is sick of Israel.

That aberrant Lieberman is the same person who would again authorize shooting down 700 surrendering Egyptian soldiers, as Israel did in the desert and thought that no one was watching and listening (indeed, he might have been one of the soldiers who did the shooitng in that "Malmedy" slaughter) so he has no credibility with rational thinkers with his hate-filled irrationality.

Sweden does not have to answer to Israel.

@Uncle

You see? You have just said Muslims do this and that! A great generalization about all Muslims. That is something we often see in many medias. But has Aftonbladet or any other medias generalized about JEWS? or it just mentioned the military or a country? If a military of a country is not subject to justice, then they can commit all kinds of genocides.

For those smart asses comparing the Mohammed issue to this. There is no place for comparison.

One is talking about making fun of a religious figure, and one is examining a crime of some agency!!!

Muslims are being slammed in every and each news media around the world so why not just saying something about some other country aside from a Muslim one!

Again this is about an act of an agency in a country called Israel, so I am sure when the Swedish media would report doubt in the acts of this agency, they are not talking about each and every Jew around the world, so for god sake take it easy and go investigate this matter and prove it's wrong before moaning and crying (as usual) for the rights of the Jews in the WW2.

Delusion,

Amen...and may Odin bless you.

Signed

Lingonberrie

Prove it wrong delusion 1982. are you just kidding or being ironic? in the wester world you innocent until proven guilty!!! plan as that.

For those who dont understand why the muhammed cartoons keep coming up here it is. it is about free speech if this can be allowed (which i think it should) then the cartoon should be allowed. anything written is offensive to someone. South Park is a prime ex. of free speech.it is not that there was a bomb on his head if you print any cartoon even in a good way of muhammed then there will be protest and fires. yet South Park refused to show muhammed due to "FEAR" not respect.

@iraniboy- can you give us a good generalization of muslims? i can not think of any, or any contrbutions to human kind recently regarding science, medicen, technology.

Playmaker...admit it, you are only angry because you were brought up on cartoons in the USA and you did not want to miss the Arabic one in the papers. Don't worry, you didn't miss anything, this particular cartoon was not in the comic section. Your constant referrals to free speech remind me of something someone once said to me. It is not only the freedom to say whatever you want but it is also the freedom to make a perfect ass out of yourself...and they were referring to me of all people! Go figure.

Playmaker (for Iraniboy)...Arabic numerals.

there is a difference b/w crime and cartoon. trying to turn attention towards cartoons or protest against cartoons is not going to change the fact that military/rabbis made a fortune in inhumane organ trafficking and got caught this time. it doesn't matter if aftonbladet commented one way or the other.........btw who knows if Israeli govt officials were involved or not............one wonders?

Playmaker (for Iraniboy again)…Arabic numerals (1, 2, 3…), plus don't forget Kabob pizza!

@Palymaker

There is a list of all Muslim scientists. But now I just mention two of them.

Ibn Sina, an Iranian Muslim who wrote a book which was a reference medical book in Europe for 800 years.

His 14-volume The Canon of Medicine, which was a standard medical text in Europe and the Islamic world up until the 18th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_sina#The_Canon_of_Medicine

The word "Algebra" currently used in English comes from the name of an Iranian Muslim called Alkharazmi for introdcution of decimal positional number system to the Western world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_M%C5%ABs%C4%81_al-Khw%C4%81rizm%C4%AB

Why the heck each time someone talks about Jews it turns to be a discussion about Muslims or Arabs, although I'm really against all these religions.

I don't understand what these guys mean, so if Jews have had some good contributions to humanity (keep in mind that most of these contributors hated to be labeled "Jews" and were atheists), then they are allowed to trade human organs?

Nonetheless, here is a recent noble prize in Chemistry to an "Arab":

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1999/zewail-autobio.html

@johnnytango: Kebab is Turkish not Arabic!

Well, all I can say is, if enough people in Sweden read this thing about Israeli soldiers "kidnapping" Palestenian bodies, and opening them up and selling their livers and hearts on the black market, all i can say, my friend was maybe right about what he said about Sweden.

He lived there for a while and when he came back he said that the country is beautiful, the economy is great, but that the people all look the same, think the same, they are passive, slow, and sometimes quite stupid. He also said something about inbreading

Am I still in the realm of Freedom of Speach, or is this comment too much and will be censured like the Muhamad cartoons?

In three parts:

Compassionate, ethical human beings, ecologically conscious men women and children of Lutheran Country know where the Holy Bible comes from.

The story - on the surface of it - is patently absurd and therefore difficult to believe and we must first and foremost ask ourselves why Israeli authorities should want to advertise the perfidy that they are accused of , by dumping the sinfully disembowelled and dismembered bodies outside of Palestinian homes as patent evidence of their purported dastardly acts.

Who did the dismembering and who dumped the bodies as evidence of such acts has to be established beyond any reasonable doubt before accusations are hurled in any direction. In other words this calls for an investigation, not just Israel denials and Palestinian counter- accusations and reprisals.

If its merely a matter of "freedom of speech" why then is it possible that a baseless article which (I simply have to emphasis) have no solid FACTS nor any proves of the horrific scandalous deed is still relevant to so many Swedish magazines , newspapers television broadcasts and so on?

i tend to believe this all have to do with the fact Islam is holding Sweden quite tightly by the balls ,this country has a poppet government which is being manipulated or more correctly to say managed by Arabs/Muslims

For those intellectuals who keep writing about this without even reading the article, here is a translated version of it:

http://www.nordisk.nu/showthread.php?t=43143

delusion1984...so you are telling me that Turks are not Arabic...ok, no matter. Man, I just ate a kebab pizza with a cold beer...you gotta try it. Do not tell Playmaker though...he will never know the difference.

Yakkub Israelson…I think you meant to write inbreeding and not inbreading…but then again your friend could have been joking about the Swedes inability to make sandwiches or something.

But back to the subject...Cornelius is basically asking what the heart of the matter is, I think...is the article true? Did I just write that...the heart of the matter...no pun intended.

Great. The Swedish PM cannot even say that the blood libel was regretful.

If the paper has a constitutional right to print anything, then I have a right to call for all Jews, Israelis and fair-minded people to boycott IKEA and Absolut around the world. I have a constitutional right to declare that the red Absolut is made with blood and the veneer on IKEA wood is made with human fingernails bones. What's the difference between my claims and Aftonbladet's?

@neighbour9515

Yes you can say that about IKEA and Absolut.I'm sure no Swede is offended by that. But any sober person who has heared anything about Sweden would reject your claim. But for IDF that attacks a school which is run by UN and not Palestinians, things are not so clear!!

This is not about Aftonbladet's insane lies. This is about Sweden's Foreign Minister defending Aftonbladet and bullying Israel from the position of the EU presidency.

take it one step further and boycott any product Made in Sweden. You think India is going to buy any Saab Aero Gripens now?

Then all you Israel-bashing Swedes will really have a reason to join those who believe every conspiracy theory about Jews and Israel. Sweden can then wonder what happened to their entire export economy.

Were these Palestinians who just died from injuries or were they grabbed off the streets and killed for their organs?? Did they wake up in a tub of water with ice cubes? Are Israelis really eating Palestinians babies? Do you Swedes really believe this stuff? No one is asking Sweden not to print the truth! But this is not the truth. This is slander! Research your facts first. This is so harmful to Israel, either way. If it is true they deserve to be vilified. If not, this is horrible behavior that Sweden condones under the auspices of 'freedom of speech'.

Foreign minister Carl Bildt is a known pedophile who tortures animals and listens to ABBA! I love Swedish freedom of speech!

Agree with lummysdad, you actually believe this story? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. What is it? Where is it? Doesn't it really seem kind of foolish?

Foreign minister Carl Bildt is a known pedophile who tortures animals and listens to ABBA! I love Swedish freedom of speech!

It could be funny if it was not true!

y is the western world so damn scared of israel?

what really pisses me off and im sure it pisses alot of other people off is if 1 israeli soldier is killed its front page throught da world about what a freakin hero he was for fighting, but wen so many palestinians die everyday especially innocent kids no1 hears about it and it doesnt even make da news.

now theyre getting some bad media attention and they cant handle it. da western world spoils israel way too much.especially america.

It all boils down to Swedish duplicity and cowardice.

In WWII , the Swedes financed the Nazi war machine and six million Jews died . This was all done out of fear of Nazi belligerency .

Today, the Swedes under the guise of "freedom of Speech " that murders Jews in Swedish shopping malls, all out of fear of their Muslim masses.

There is no truth whatsoever to the blood libel against the Israeli army , but there is much truth to Muslim terror , human rights abuse, and bullying. This is where Sweden's "freedom of speech" draws its line! A country with a history of cowardice!

This whole affair just underlines the pervasiveness of European racism. On the one hand, countries like Sweden (unlike courageous individual Swedes like Wallenberg) did little to nothing to prevent the mass murder of innocents in WWII, on the other hand, they have the tenacity to claim that the Israels - acting against barbarians who blow themselves up in the midst of Jewish teenagers, throw handicapped senior citizens from cruise ships, hijack airliners, commit "honor" killings of their wives, daughters and nieces for the sin of immodesty, rain missiles down daily on Israeli villages and cities - are now acting like the Nazis in their defensive actions. If the Israelis were Nazis - there would be no Palestinians left - they would have been put in gas chambers and burned to death. No, in fact, the population of the Palestinians is increasing - not exactly the work of planned genocide. The real Nazis today are those Swedes who can read an article like this and not throw up from disgust at their European countrymen who could behave like Goebbels. As I recall, Sweden was the cause of much death, destruction and colonialism in the 1700's - maybe it is time for the Swedes to stop judging others falsely and stop pretending that their actions are not motivated by race hatred of Jews and love of oil of Muslim Nation States.

they just printed what they believed is true, so why is this irrational reaction from Israel ? Israel does not let any independant foreign media cover what's going on there and now tells Sweden what to write and what not to write!! who do they think they are?? this is not Israel, this is Sweden. and news are free to write, it's not like there , they do whatever they want .

Does anybody know if Aftonbladet is sold anywhere in New York City? Please give us an address.

@ Michael84

Because Israel is scared that if the truth gets out about their operations than western countries wont support them. They dont like negative media attention because they want 2 look like theyre not even doing anything wrong. its a simple case of out of mind out of sight, if the media doesnt know what israel is doing, no1 will find out about it and israel wont look bad.

Being a fairly recent immigrant to Sweden myself my world is one of constant discovery. As I shed the old skin and grow the new my mind is full of wonder and sometimes a little apprenhensive. My experience on this forum to this point has been one of curiousity as I attempt to decipher what all are trying to communicate with their feelings and their words.

What I have witnessed in the past days since the Aftonbladet story broke has changed my view about a number of things. By coincidence there was an article about the Swedish Democrats gaining in poll numbers.

Judging by the response from the writers identifying themselves as Jews, I can understand why there is a lot of Muslim immigration from the area. I couldn't live with neighbors like this. They have swarmed this website like cockroaches with some of the most…irrelevant twaddle…I have ever read. Flimsy arguments, lies, twisting of history and deception. Always shifting the blame. This is the Method.

I have known Jewish people before and honestly speaking they have usually reinforced the little stereotypes one learns about them as a culture. But I have never had the experience of meeting the breed that has infested this thread. You people have done yourselves a irrepairable harm in my eyes and at the same time you have raised the numbers of the Swedish Democrats.

I've been reading some of the discussions here and I have to say I am shocked from the amount of racist comments in here. I was sure that Sweden is a liberal country and non-racist. Johnnytango above me says that he always recognized some stereotypes regarding with jews, but now he knows they're true...Zigheil (!) wonders where he could get an Aftonbladet paper in the US; Aussiegirl is certain that the western world is scared of Israel, as if the world is being ruled by Israel; delusion82 moans something about Jews that are moaning all the time about the holocaust, and somewhere else he wrote about Israel that is sucking the blood of europeans (guess he ment for making mazza for passover); sombody mentioned cockroaches and vampires...

If it smells like racism, looks like it and acts like it, then it must be racism!

This story is so unproffesional that I don't know where to begin. Come on - Israel is killing palestinians in order to steal their organs, and then sells it to Jews from the US? Doesn't it sound ridiculus? This is insulting for any Israeli, no one here thinks that it's true, not even the most extreme leftists, not even arab parliament members. If this is true, publish it, condemn Israel, do whatever necessary. But you can't just make allegations without prove, especially when some have an interest in harming Israel's reputation.

and BTW - to johnnytango: In all wars that took place in the arab world since Israels foundation - the list number of casaulties were killed by Israeli forces. wars like Iran-Iraq, allgiria, gulf war, Iraqi war, lebanon's civil war,hama massacre, oppression of the kurds and many other conflicts, have nothing to do with Israel. These are also the main reason for muslim immigration - nothing to do with Israel.

Are you saying Israel is basically a good neighbor?

Someone said it better than me: "Some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.

The deaths in the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1950 include 32,000 deaths due to Arab state attacks and 19,000 due to Palestinian attacks, or 51,000 . Arabs make up roughly 35,000 of these dead and Jewish Israelis make up 16,000.

The Syrians killed almost 30,000 Muslims February 2, 1982 at the Hama massacre

Jordan against Black Sept. 25,000 Arabs/Muslims killed 1971

Algeria has killed over 200,000 Arabs/Muslims between 1991-2006

Wow! With the Jews controlling the media you would think we would all know about these events and others!"

Azerty…BTW excellent use of the Method… Flimsy arguments, lies, twisting of history and deception. Always shifting the blame.

Here is what I wrote…

I have known Jewish people before and honestly speaking they have usually reinforced the little stereotypes one learns about them as a culture.

This is azertys use of my words…

Johnnytango above me says that he always recognized some stereotypes regarding with jews, but now he knows they're true...Zigheil (!)

Pure Method…you have illustrated my point beautifully!

To mr. Tango, I'm saying that I have the right to be offended from such and horryfic story, if it is based on lies. I'm not a stupid natinalist, basically I'm a leftist, I believe in peace and I hope to witness it on my time. But I, like most israelis, have been in the army, witnessed alot of things, including battle situations, I simply cannot believe this story is true.

I object the occupation of the palestinin teritories, I object the oppression of palestinians and racism of all kind, and I really long for peace. But I also know that this situation is absolotuly not entirely our fault. Arab countries have several times invaded to Israel and lost.

Go in peace and do everything in your power to promote peace...I promise the same.

Tango, I'm not a fluent english speaker, so forgive me if I misunderstood. But what do you mean by "reinforced the little stereotypes"

and BTW, zigheil is a name chosen by one of the responders, scroll up and look.

azerty...every culture has stereotypes associated with certain tendencies to behave in a certain manner. Stereotypes are not necessarily bad or evil and sometimes they are actually charming. I have had Jewish friends and I have noticed that within their families and friends they act in a certain way than they do with others. Having lived in predominately Arabic communities as well the same can be said of them...and every other ethnicity as well.

You see, azerty...birds of a feather flock together. We all know this. People certainly feel more comfortable when they are surrounded by their own culture. Thís is why I am against unlimited immigration because it will dilute the real Swedish culture which would be a real loss.

Be advised that there is a major difference between racism and cultural bias. Most of our discussions may be more civil if we discuss in terms of culture instead of jumping to the race card.

Language is of course a huge cultural difference...I am encouraged that you have made the effort to try and understand what I meant and therefore a productive exchange is now possible. You express yourself very well.

Vaya con Dios y Buena suerte.

Ohhhh so good to be off work. can not post as much now that i am off vac. i know this will make many of you sad. soooo saddd.

@jonny tango, iraniboy (my favorite by far)- i was asking for "recent contributions"

@delision 1982 i did look up the nobel winner and funny enough he did his PhD and nobel work in "AMERICAAAA" how about that.

And to you guys again. i think it is ok to publish this as long it is not published as fact. but do you belive in "innocent until proven guilty?" has anyone seen south park making fun of jesus "the son of god" that is free speech. so whats the big deal about the cartoon of muhammed? and another question i would love to know is what if it was just muhammed with no bomb then is it ok? this is brought up because of double standards of the swedish press. they removed a website for god sake. how is this fare? but i guess the world is not fair though and that is reality.damm

History made the jewish people very sensitive. When I here terms like cockroaches, vampires, blood sucking, while using common stereotypes (moaning jews, money, bunch of jews), it makes me feel uncomfortable, to say the least. I'm sure you are sensitive as well to stereotypes against your culture. The about this story is that it resembles so much stories originated antijewish propoganda from middle ages. One famous blood libel suggested that jewish people kidnap christian boys in order to make maza for passover. The protocols of the elders of zion is another example. The later was a forgery of a meeting protocol, claiming that Jews are plotting to rule the world through control of media and world money. So forgive me again for "using the race card". Maybe it's my sensitivity, maybe not. Like you, I also hope we could have a better dialog, with people like you it seems possible.

Peace

there is a revealing story in the main and most popular israeli newspaper. revealing the killing of Norwegian fishermen, and "harvesting" their feet for use in the Gravad lax industry. (for getting some fungus out of the feet)

sound reliable and convincing.

here a link (in Hebrew)

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3765741,00.html

and here's a tarnslation from google translator

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ynet.co.il%2Farticles%2F0%2C7340%2CL-3765741%2C00.html&sl=iw&tl=en&history_state0=

To All...Peace and Love.

It is I, JohnnyTango. I cannot sleep. I am thinking about you out there and myself here. I was the first to comment on the story on the alleged organ harvesting in the Aftonbladet and now…this is the end. I have come to the end of the night.

The journey through our posts has left me quite disturbed with our race…the human race that is. I am not proud that I have contributed to this mess…in fact, I am overwhelming sad. For me, posting on this thread was a way to get my two cents in and I think that I used my words as arrows for the deepest penetration possible. My target was always the machine…the madness. Not you.

I have no quarrel with any peoples of the world…I am angry at the machine, the governments, the politicians, ourselves, myself or whatever it is that has gotten us to this point. What difference does it make if it is the IDF or the US Army or the Chinese army or the Muslims, Jews, Black, Whites, Asians, Europeans, …you name it? Organ harvesting…it sounds so appalling. And worse, it is only the tip of the iceberg…the death and destruction we are wreaking on our planet, our mother.

I am breaking into a million pieces now…it is my pain, your pain and all the suffering of the world. The horror. Right now I don't feel as if I can take it any longer. I wish it would stop. Forgive me…all of you. Goodbye.

your hypocrisy amazed me. so here some TRUE FACTS against your HATE and LIES.

FACT 1: Between 1962-1954, France killed 600,000 Algerian muslims in Algeria independence war. Algeria claims this number is more like 1,000,000

FACT2: Between 1972-1955 in the first civil war in Sudan, by moderate estimates 500,000 died. in 1983 the second civil war started, but it was a real genocide. the arabs Muslims murdered 1.9 Millions other ethnics, and non-muslims. in the last genocide, that is still happening todAy in Darfur, The arab-muslim government killed 500,000 of other ethnics. Total in sudan - between 2.6m - 3m. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.

FACT 3: Afghanistan - during the soviet invasion, between 1979 till 1989, 1m to 1.5m civilians were killed. after the soviet withdrawal, and till the American invasion, 1M more civilians were killed in the civil was between the different groups. after the american invasion, about 10,000 each year. (which is less then the 100,000 average a year, during the Taliban regime) Total dead: 2m - 2.5m. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.

FACT 4: Somalia . since 1977, between 400,000 to 550,000 dead. partly in warfare, partly in organized mass starvation and civic bombing. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.

FACT 5: Bangladesh: In 1971, those people tried to get away from Pakistan. Pakistan retaliated with systematically mass massacre between 1m to 2m peaceful muslim Bengals, many farmers. researchers in the world, call it the third genocide since the Holocaust. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.

FACT 6: Indonesia between 1966-1965, in a Communist uprising, 400,000 muslims were massacre, by their own people. in 1975 east-timor declared independent. soon after, Indonesia invaded, till the withdrawal in 1999, between 100,000 to 200,000 men died. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.

FACT 7: Iraq-Iran: In the war between them, 450,000-650,000 Iraqis, and 450,000-970,000 were killed. between 1992-1991, there was Shi'ite uprising in Iraq, between 40,000-200,000 shiates were murder by Saddam. add to that, the genocide done by Saddam, of the Kurd, between 200,000-300,000. after the first gulf war, around 500,000 iraqies died from lack medicine & food, because Saddam preferred to buy some other stuff. since the american occupation, between 100,000 to 150,000 were killed by Shiites killing Sunnites and vice versa. total of: 1.5m-2m Iraqis. 450,000-950,000 Iranians. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.

FACT 8: Yemen: 1962 -1970 Civil war - between 100,00 to 150,000 muslim Yemeni dead. Egypt interfered in that war, and did war crimes, by using chemical gas. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.

FACT 9: Chechnya - first Chechnya war, between 50,000 to 200,000 Chechnyan dead. the second war, between 30,000 to 100,000. total of 80,00 to 300.000 depend of who you ask. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.