February 14, 2012
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Let the World See , Sweden dont condem to Isreal ..
Even if Israel doesn't understand it, it is even more scary when they do not understand other countries may have it, this shows a huge lack of education of the politicians.
To make it even more scary, the people of Israel doesn't understand it either, they are now boycotting IKEA and 5000 Israelis have signed a petition.
There are millions of lies in newspapers, tabloids every day!
That is part of having freedom of the press.
Maybe Israel reacts so violently because the story is true!!
hmmm??
You have joined this forum Today, 15:35. Isn't your name Pro-Isael by any chance?!! These old trick are old. Most of Swedes I've met and know, don't give a hoot if someone's Jews, Muslim,... So your conclusion seems that it comes from Israel rather than Sweden!!!
Aynte
I'm in gbg. They do. Sorry but honesty is another thing I have seen alot here in Sweden. Most Swedes don't care about these things at all. There are little things that Swedes care. Being on time, respecting others' rights. Of course there are some exceptions but I haven't come across any one yet. Maybe you can be the first one!?
IN SWEDEN, anti-Semitism is not punishable. Neither is crass stupidity. Nor, for that matter, is gross incompetence in public office. But an ambassador (swedish ambassador in Israel) who expresses her honest dismay over anti-Semitism while at the same time upholding Sweden's proud tradition of freedom of expression and freedom of the press, is censured by the Swedish foreign minister
Domestically saying, the whole article is a political game by the leftists to speculate some political tension, and put pressure over the government . And I guess they chose a very suitable subject and matter. Nonetheless, this is part of the political development in a free societal country.
What wonders me most actually, is the position of the Swedish ambassador to Israel, Mrs Bonnier. What an idiotic behavior of her to act in isolation of her bosses, she can release such comments in her off-work hours, but sitting on an embassy means that she is a messenger of her country's government, she is not the head of an independent party. Next time Bony, sorry Bonnier, pick up the phone and check what your government thinks before making a fool out of yourself. Anyway, the Israelis did not take her and her condemnation seriously, and went to the prime minister threatening to close McDonnals and BergerKings in Sweden if they don't bow down and apologize.
We are not against Israel, but against who want shape Sweden democracy for their own benefits.
@delusion1982: She regretted it later though. It was probably just an emotional response (I'm pretty sure she's Jewish - the Bonniers are one of our most famous Jewish families). So yeah, she was just reacting emotionally like certain other Jewish posters on here. But unlike her certain people here can't seem to get over it. Have you people even read the article? I somehow doubt you have.
now here is a news flash:
"there are claims that the swedish royal family is involved of running a global chain of prostitution and smuggling dope and thus funding a facist right wing group". not that there are solid evidence but i did hear some families claim such things so i should it should be investigated and we don't really know that they didn't, do we?
now think if such an article would have been published in some other country's news-paper - how would it make you feel?
This is applicable for most of European countries that I know and this is normally the way those matters are handled in democratic countries where we expect politicians to do not interfere with press and newspaper editorial office to do take responsibility for the articles published.
The Israeli gvt. reaction seems a little bit "Islamic" in its means... well, no flags burnt yet but I feel that we are not that far from that.
Just for your information. The worlds largest Nazi organisation(if you count memberships) is in the USA.
Do you hear Israel complaining?? NOO!! Why not?
They would make fools out of themselves and loose the hand that feeds them. In a free society you allow ALL opinions, wether you like them or not.
A small peaceful nation like Sweden, they feel that they can bully.
The credibility of Israel has been spent a long time ago.
if the reaction seem a bit "islamic" to you..just imagin how would islamic states would have reacted in such case...should i remind you a few years back, after some caricatures of Mohamed were published in Denmark - they burned down not flags but even houses and violence evoked which immidietly caused the Danish goverment to condemn those publications....
where was freedom of speech then?
"not that there are solid evidence but i did hear some families claim such things so i should it should be investigated and we don't really know that they didn't, do we?"
Where's the circumstancial evidence?
How about a real story?
http://www.thelocal.se/5840/20061218/
"We have freedom of expression in Sweden and I am not going to contact the foreign ministry or TRT.
The point is that nobody from the Israeli gvt. has even tried to argue with the newspaper; they were just interested in putting pressure on Swedish gvt, and this let me think about some second target; being Sweden running the EU semester, maybe it was a move to try to influence the role of EU in peace negotiations expected between Israel and Palestinian.
And it is unfair to say that Islamic countries are not criticized enough; I think Iran was in first pages for weeks and with very direct and string criticism.
Today, a newspaper is bold enough to carry the story of such practises, guess what, sweden is accussed of antisemitism, how funny is that? I sincerely hope no swedish politicians will succumb to this 'attempted blackmail'
It is perhaps possible that this story is related to the recent arrest in New York
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/23/nj.corruption.kidney/
If there is even the slightest circumstantial evidence, then it was worth publishing.
Israel should not interfere with out freedoms.
I hope the Jews of Malmo do not riot and burn our cars. We know what type of violence Swedish Jews can get up to.
****As long as they do not Publish Cartoons about Mohammed)
Funniest post of the week. LOLs.
The Danish government did NOT officially condemn the cartoons, and the whole EU supported the position of the Danish government.
Quoting from : http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article723266.ece
"Per Stig Moeller, Denmark's Foreign Minister, insisted in Brussels last night: "We condemn blasphemy. We want respect for religions. But we cannot intervene. We have sent explanations but, as we have said before, freedom of expression is a matter for the courts, not for the Government.""
Not really to mention that these religious cartoons are just at the edge of an abuse of the act of freedom of press, since they do not have any purposeful reason to publish except maybe to teach the Muslims a lesson in the freedom of expression (we hoped that Israel'd learned from others mistakes). Governments did not intervene although religious-hatred is highly disliked and discouraged in Scandinavian constitutions.
You're probably 789th Israeli who post here!! But as a part of your extensive liberalism, Arab Israeli are denied to go to to same schools as other Israelis go. Arab Israelis were supposed to make an oath to support Israel,... By the way, this article is not Israeli govermnet it is about Israeli defence forces that target Red crecent ambulaces, UN base and UN protected school,...
the same government which closes websites and says sorry to the muslim world about harmless muhammad pictures comes here and plays defender of freedom about old antisemitic absurd theses which we normaly see in muslim countries.
i dont buy it.
the swedish PM can only act this way because he knows that there is no risk to see burning swedish ambassys or dead people..why? because jews react very human and civilizied even to this absurd and inhuman swedish antisemitic "they stole bodys for the blood" junk which exactly stand in nazi newspaper "der stürmer".
- It is not considered a serious newspaper in Sweden.
(in fact extremely bad)
- Aftonbladet is traditionally supported by the Social Democratic Party, the largest opposition party to the current Government.
In light of these facts, we can theorize about the Social Democrats wanting to burn the current Government. It might be so, but nevertheless, the fight Israel's PM should take is against the newspaper rather than the government.
1)While you're at it, take a look at CNN article to see that the author of this article has recieved several death threats!
2)Antisemism absurd theses? So everyone should shut up about Israeli army and they can do whatever they like?
Jan M's comment was so logical that it is worth repeating:
In a free society it is the newspaper and journalist's responsibility for what they publish and write. If it's wrong then the Israeli state can pursue a legal process against those parties to correct that. For Israel not to realise that that is how a democratic society works says something profound and true about Israeli society. Joining the ranks of Sri Lanka by prohibiting Carl Bildt from visiting would also say something profound and true. Israel unlike many countries feels that a sense of outrage can morally embarass others into an apology and this feeling stems from the appalling suffering of the Holocaust. It is however about time that Israel stopped using that tragedy as a moral licence to try to bully and pressurise people.
The soulful eyed Fredrik Reinfeldt, current chief of chiefs of Sweden is also current head of the European Union has spoken and this means that he's unlikely to back down - though there is still room for more understanding about the very sensitive nature of the accusations. ( Should the Israeli press write a similar story ( Blood libel of Sweden/ Swedes) accusing or insinuating that Swedish soldiers have been harvesting the heart, liver and kidneys of Afghan Taliban, this would only increase Taliban venom against our soldiers there.
Zvi Mazel former Israeli Ambassador to Sweden here freely expressing his opinion.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1249418677847&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Not too long ago he too was in hot waters:
http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=33048
How does the Swedish newspaper's editor respond to complaints about this sort of thing? Jan Helin complains:
"It's deeply unpleasant and sad to see such a strong propaganda machine using centuries-old anti-Semitic images in an apparent attempt to get an obviously topical issue off the table."
But what is the "strong propaganda machine" that is manipulating antisemitic images as an excuse to get "obviously topical" issues off the table?
The answer is not, as Helin would have it, an Israeli-Jewish propaganda machine. Since media coverage is so extremely anti-Israel--often breaking the rules of proper journalism to smite that country--it couldn't be all that powerful.
some words about the Islam and Muhammad or in which certain laws of Islam deny freedom of speech.Let's also suppose that consequently the entire Arab world was burning down Swedish flags and Swedish goods were boycotted.Did you see what Happened to Switzerland?Poor Switzerland they arrested Kadafi's son for misbehaviour in Switzerland rightly and then had to apologize.I bet that Mr.Reinfeldt would come down on his knees and say sorry 1000 times.
Your analogy is wrong. A similar analogy is that the article was saying "Lebanese Army terrorize Israelis citizens"!! I'm sure you'll find a lot of them without any criticism from Muslim world!!!Poor Muslims have got used to be humiliated!
The criterium is facts and even the reporter himself says he has no proves!
If you want to make a comparison with Islam and I am not against Islam but even if you dare saying true things about difficulties that exist in various muslem societies you risk yourself look at Salaman Rushdi
Yeah his timing sucks.. this is when he is needed. Vacation for three damn weeks now of all weeks? Jeeze.. Well maybe he'll take it up when he gets back. Though this isn't something for him anyway..
Israelis coming to this site like cockroach epidemic accusing, pleading, propagating and beating their a**. But not a single word of logic or sanity.
You can not threat Sweden to go against its constitution.
I am lov'in it.
Why doens't Aftonbladet and the local carry the pictures of mohammed and defend them.
The reson they don't is that there is a lot less jews than muslims and jews tend to try to avoid violence.
The article in question, is blatant anti-semitism. My family is still trying to find where family members are buried, who fought against Hitler, whle in the british army.
Nazism was put down like the rabid dog it was. Don't glorify it and use its bigotry to attack a minority.
If any of you feel patriotic, join your countries army and defned it. If want to be brave and give abuse, do so to a group of neo-nazi skinheds while on your own.
Why they call everybody ANTI SEMITIC?
ohhh it is their trick to shut down the people's mouth, so they can sell more kidneys and occupy more LANDS.
they just call everybody who speak against them. WELlDONE FREDRIK!! EVERYBODY SHOULD TELL ISRAEL TO SHUT UP and stop using your old tricks. and no we are not anti semitic or whatever.
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Damascus, (SANA) - Swedish Ambassador in Damascus Mempel Catharina Kipp conveyed on Wednesday her country's apology for drawings printed recently in Swedish newspapers that depict the Prophet Mohammad in an offensive manner. Kipp expressed her respect to Islam and Muslims in general and the Syrian people in particular. Kipp expressed her respect to Islam and Muslims in general and the Syrian people in particular.
A statement by the Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt affirms that Sweden is a country where people of different beliefs live together, and that the basis of Swedish society is respect, understanding and rejection of offensive action, violence and aggression. A statement by the Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt affirmer that Sweden is a country where people of different beliefs live together, and that the basis of Swedish society is respect, understanding and rejection of offensive action, violence and aggression.
Reinfeldt expressed his regret of the incident which has offended and upset Muslims, calling against instigating or offending other religion. Reinfeldt expressed his regret of the incident, Which has offended and upset Muslims, calling against instigating or offending other religion.
The statement was delivered by the Swedish Embassy to Syria's Grand Mufti Ahmad Badreddin Hassoun, who stated that a third party is attempting to harm the relations between Sweden and Arab and Islamic countries. The statement was delivered by the Swedish Embassy to Syria's Grand Mufti Ahmad Badreddin Hassoune, who stated that a third party is attempting to harm the relations between Sweden and the Arab and Islamic countries.
Hassoun pointed out that the Swedish Prime Minister's stance and apology will have a good impact on Muslims and that it will contribute to ending instigation. Hassoune pointed out that the Swedish Prime Minister's stance and apology will have a good impact on Muslims and that it will contribute to ending instigation. He also called intellectuals, journalists and politicians to carry a message that serves humanity and civilizations and to avoid sowing discord between nations and peoples. He also called intellectuals, journalists and politicians to carry a message that serves humanity and civilizations and to avoid sowing Discord between Nations and Peoples.
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I think this is double-face. Why does than nobody spoke about the freedom of journalism ?
Have you ever been in Israel ? Or all your knowldege about Israel is from Newspapers ?
Israeli = crocodile tears.
Lolzzzzzzzzz
This is freedom of speech that so hundreds of Israelis coming and posting their anti-Semitic propaganda on a Swedish website. No one is stopping you here.
We just do not buy it anymore coz we all know its a trick. Everyone knows the article is not racist. It can be wrong in its accusations of the crimes of Organ Harvest by IDF but not racist.
So stop being a laughing stock again and again.
In principe I agree that Israel was overreacted
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8218564.stm
You wrote that the Israelis built their houses on Arab blood. It seems that your knowledge in History is very poor. Please - look in history books and see what happened after the UN decition in 1948
so let's make it clearer: In acting so, Sweden has already lost his moral (and political) reputation.
You can hate jews. But do not forget that Israel won all the wors against the arabs and the fact is that you cannot do nothing - Israel is a fact. So stop be so primitive and think - maybe to live in peace is better than in hate.
O Give me a break and shut up.
Perhaps you forgot to put "un" before a word. Right??? People have witnessed just recently your ethics, lawfulness and decency in Gaza. Now they are observing your ethics of Organ Harvest.
Do you even have a mirror to look into after typing the words about your ethics???
I did not hear nothing from you and people like you when the palestinians rockets hit Israel over 5 years -
Israel left Gaza and many Israelis has to leave their houses. What did Israel got in return ? rockets !!! so please - I wouls like to see you sitting quite and doing nothing whan rockets are coming every day
I am with you 100%.
Are you not violating UN resolutions?
Are you not driving away Arabs from the lands you are not entitled to?
Are you not building illegal settlements.
Greed is a curse. It is universal fact.
Society is made up of different religious, ethical, ethnic and traditional rules and regulation. You are mixing society with Islam. First of all correct that. Next we can talk about Islam. There is not a single rule that is abnormal in Islam. Things that exist in Islam are being proved correct with the passage of time. A lot of scientific theories are a witness to that. Scince may or may not know at any specific time and moment, but Islam knows it.
israel instead of attacking sweden they should enquire how much is the truth in the article. i think little bit of story ís true. not all but some soldiers have done business with organs.
If you do not know the facts - please be quite. Israel offered tha palestinians 95% of all the lands they want. The Palestinians refused. Why ? because they do not want peace. And it is time for you people to understand it. See what happened in Gaza these days. Hamas are killing people of Patach. Where are you ? I did not hear a word from you about all the criminal actions. So please -
HAmas got billions of dollars after the last war. They could make Gaza look like heaven. Where is this money ?
I truly beleive that the Palestinians want peace. The majority of the Israelis are. The problem is that their leaders do not want.
and as for the UN resolutions - both sizes are violating it. But nobody never sayd nothing againstthe palestinians.
As for the illegal settlements - who decided that they are illegal ?
so the palestinians are not Arabs?
Long ago was a farmer. He got animals of diffrent kinds. One day Horse and donkey two of them give birth to baby horse and baby donkey. But size was same.
He get confuse. both same colour. he ask them. Who is donkey and who is horse. two tell ....baby horse tell i am horse.... baby donkey also tell.... i am horse. next day he wait to find truth...
He ask again two of them next day.... so, baby horse kick him from front legs and baby donkey kick him from back legs...
now you know? what is real horse..... Arab is Arab. Not all.... all can say .... we are arab... we are arab. Real Arab is real. Know the truth.
@smokylake-the truth is out there..see for yourself who is rocket launching whom! Who has all the tools and machinery to bomb innocent people. The politicians of Israel and Palestine will never come to terms in maintaining peace...how else will they get all the money from the US for their livelihood!!!
Freedom of speach ? see my message #52.Where was the freedom of speach when the Sedish government appologized than ?
Sweden is a free country and everyone have a right to say they like.
No one can force Sweden to go against its constitution.
The Prime Minster has taken a very correct decision.
Live with the fact.
Swedish government apologised then because it was an act of blasphemy not publishing truth! So please don't sway away from the topic that the Israeli army is indeed dealing with internal organs of the people they kill. :-)
Well said!! The truth hurts but learn to accept it!!!
wait wait let me get this straight buddy?are you denying the fact that 8 years before this war hamas launched rockets on israeli cities?!?ohh so i guess someone lied to us when he said we have 45 seconds to go into shellter and those sirens on a daily basis was just my imaginaction...and the rockets shells and the school in my city of beer sheva who got hit....its all fiction..
You think it is truth ? It is pitty that all you knowledge about Israel is from the media.
Blashpemy ? no my friend - your government is just affraid from the arabs.
don't you understand that localite is not interested in facts?he is looking only one way and cannot understand that the truth may be different
Like I mentioned earlier, don't sway away from the topic. Fredrik Reinfeldt has rejected claims of condemning the newspaper. There is no mention about what happened 8 years ago in your city. Let's not get out incidents (I am not saying stories here, pls take note!) that happened years ago...so go to bed and wake up on the right side tomorrow morning! -)
I guess any story about the Israeli practices, however ugly it is, would find a lot of people tending not to reject, since their government (with absolutely all its brainwashed Jews) has broken all possible International Resolutions, and committed all possible war crimes. A country where murderers become prime ministers instead of going to the Hague is a country where you would speculate any evil practice to happen.
@eurostan, actually not most of the Arabs are ugly, I am sure that you do not know the names of more than 50% of the countries who speak Arabic.
I am not defending anyone here, but just to put the dots over the letters (as they say in Arabic)
@tellem, where do you get your information from? can we get some links to where it says you gave the Palestinians 95% of the land they want? or you would say that the land they want is 2% of where Palestinians used to live?
and illegal settlements are illegal because they are done on an occupied land, which should be returned under a peace agreement, even USA said that to you, but...
1. The facts are facts. I have to look for links but even when Mr. barakwas inCamp David with Arafat he offered him95 % of the land. If you will send me your e-mail address I will try to look for links.
2. You love to say occupied countries. Why did Israel occupied it ? and if Israel occupied it from Egypt and Jordan - why does the Egyptain and Jordanian does not want this land back ?
so please - please look into facts. Israel left Gazza. did she get peace ? or rockets ? peace agreement ? is there peace in Palestine ?
3. AND FINALY - who are the palestinians ? why didn't they ask for country before 1967 when they belonged to Jordan and Egypt ? think about it
Nighty night...time to go to bed! So sleep!
good night to you too. laila tov
people here have no clue about the israeli palestinian conflict... who are the Palestinians what are their history...FYI..arab scholars said over and over again that there is no such word in the arabic language as palestinians...Palestine was a name of a place..the named changed from Jehuda ..palestinians are jordan and egyptian arabs came to work for the british here...they have 22 arab countries but no one wants them..israel gave back sinai to egypt offering gaza strip as well..the egyptians declined...jordanians dont want them..in jordan 97% of the population is palestinian and only the royal family are Hashems...
I know all this. But it is time for people in Sweden to learn a little but history
sound reliable and convincing.
here a link (in Hebrew)
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3765741,00.html
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ynet.co.il%2Farticles%2F0%2C7340%2CL-3765741%2C00.html&sl=iw&tl=en&history_state0=
So please excuse Swidish of being plain Nazis !
''Arabian'' you seems to be Jewish but you are using Arabian name. You are actually malingering actual Arabic people.
So you are using wrong nick name and Yes you said correctly but just take in another way and i.e by changing the nick name the donkey can not become the horse.
FACT 1: Between 1962-1954, France killed 600,000 Algerian muslims in Algeria independence war. Algeria claims this number is more like 1,000,000
fact 3: Between 1972-1955 in the first civil war in Sudan, by moderate estimates 500,000 died. in 1983 the second civil war started, but it was a real genocide. the arabs Muslims murdered 1.9 Millions other ethnics, and non-muslims. in the last genocide, that is still happening todAy in Darfur, The arab-muslim government killed 500,000 of other ethnics. Total in sudan - between 2.6m - 3m. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.
FACT 2: Afghanistan - during the soviet invasion, between 1979 till 1989, 1m to 1.5m civilians were killed. after the soviet withdrawal, and till the American invasion, 1M more civilians were killed in the civil was between the different groups. after the american invasion, about 10,000 each year. (which is less then the 100,000 average a year, during the Taliban regime) Total dead: 2m - 2.5m. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.
FACT 3: Somalia . since 1977, between 400,000 to 550,000 dead. partly in warfare, partly in organized mass starvation and civic bombing. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.
FACT 4: Bangladesh: In 1971, those people tried to get away from Pakistan. Pakistan retaliated with systematically mass massacre between 1m to 2m peaceful muslim Bengals, many farmers. researchers in the world, call it the third genocide since the Holocaust. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.
FACT 5: Indonesia between 1966-1965, in a Communist uprising, 400,000 muslims were massacre, by their own people. in 1975 east-timor declared independent. soon after, Indonesia invaded, till the withdrawal in 1999, between 100,000 to 200,000 men died. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.
FACT 6: Iraq-Iran: In the war between them, 450,000-650,000 Iraqis, and 450,000-970,000 were killed. between 1992-1991, there was Shi'ite uprising in Iraq, between 40,000-200,000 shiates were murder by Saddam. add to that, the genocide done by Saddam, of the Kurd, between 200,000-300,000. after the first gulf war, around 500,000 iraqies died from lack medicine & food, because Saddam preferred to buy some other stuff. since the american occupation, between 100,000 to 150,000 were killed by Shiites killing Sunnites and vice versa. total of: 1.5m-2m Iraqis. 450,000-950,000 Iranians. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.
FACT 7: Yemen: 1962 -1970 Civil war - between 100,00 to 150,000 muslim Yemeni dead. Egypt interfered in that war, and did war crimes, by using chemical gas. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.
FACT 8: Chechnya - first Chechnya war, between 50,000 to 200,000 Chechnyan dead. the second war, between 30,000 to 100,000. total of 80,00 to 300.000 depend of who you ask. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.
FACT 11 : by all accounts, around 60,000 Arabs were killed in the Israeli-Arab conflict since 1948 war, till today. the most of this number, are soldiers that been killed in Israel-Arab countries wars. mostly Egypt, Syrian and Jordanian.
you don't care about the millions of Muslims killed by other muslims & by other European countries in the last 50 years, and the hundreds of thousands still killed each year.. you only care about arab-muslims that killed by Israeli.
and that is, in their fight (of Israelis) to survive in the only country they have. and all of this is after, a massacred of THIRD (6 millions) of the Jewish people in Europe only 65 years ago. you are the last who can lecture morality to the Jews. and they says it can't happen again in Europe... yea, right. especially with this kind and so familiar middle ages blood libel
Which is leading to only one conclusion. Its not of your deep love & sympathy to the Palestinians. Its of your hatred to the state of Israel, and anything that is Jewish.
Look at yourself in the mirror, and at least admit it to yourself.
i dont give a damnd about antisemitic propaganda...whereever it comes from the regime which kills my iranian people (IRI) or some stuppid leftist/nazis.
since you seem to be an iranian, you should focus more to the islamic dictatorship which killed thens of thousend iranians since 1979....jews kill no iranian...jews were the friends of iranian people since kyros the great.
unfortunary, the mullahs are perfect propagandists and manage to divert the attention of the people on israel and the jews.
i for myself was in israel and i wish my homeland iran will be such a liberal and intresting land like israel one day.
and by the way:
since there is no police escort for this "stürmer-leftist" who wrote this junk, one can not take some e-mails as a serious threat for his life. after all, there is no death-fatwah and millions of dollar on the head of this swedish agitator.
the islamic umah can learn alot from the jews when it comes to mature and civilized response to things like that.
What started as legitimate comments, have now been turned into hate messages.
The comment by Jewish
"Modern Jews should not shrink from the explicit commandment to cleanse the land God gave us of its hostile inhabitants."
is a call for ethnic cleansing and has no place in ANY forum.
Sooner or later, and most likely through quiet diplomatic back channels (Bildt's visit), Sweden will cave in and Israel will once again have succeeded in deflecting criticism of the state by playing the 'anti-Semite' card.
Sweden is just a pawn here in a much bigger geo-political struggle: with Israel cornered into backing down over settlements by the US it needs to reposition itself as a nation that is threatened on all fronts, by reawakening (as if it had ever gone away) anti-Semitic accusations against European Jew haters, it can continue to argue that its policy of expansion is essential to the survival of the Jewish state.
Sweden should not back down, but it will do. The only way to avoid being pushed around on the world stage by countries like Israel is to get nukes and to stop running away at the thought of military confrontations. The human race is 10-15 years from annihilating itself anyway. If were all going down Sweden should go down fighting along with everyone else.
to all people who live in the illusion that sweden is still a free country:
you can not call such a country free, when:
-85% of the media is contrloed by anti-israeli leftists.
-noone can critisize islam because of fear or political correctness and the government even closes websites because of islam critism while pure hate on jews and totaly one-sided israel-bashing is common.
-there are no-go areas for jews in the middle of sweden.
-a sport match between sweden and israel is played out without audience because of the leftist and muslim mob on the street.
your good old free sweden is gone. i saw an interview with a former swedish jew who decided to go to israel because of the hatred which the tiny swedish minority is facing by mostly muslims and leftists. that was not the picture of a realy free country.
"Israel is still one of the most ethical nations in the world."
O Give me a break and shut up.
Perhaps you forgot to put "un" before a word. Right??? People have witnessed just recently your ethics, lawfulness and decency in Gaza. Now they are observing your ethics of Organ Harvest.
Do you even have a mirror to look into after typing the words about your ethics???
no mister, you're wrong. the arabs countries will never get close to 50% of the ethics of the Israeli state.
and also, many people in Sweden. All what happen in the last week prove just that. a big portion of the people in your country are with deep roots of hatred toward the Jews. it makes you so distrustful of Jews, and so blind, so you automatically always takes the anti-israeli version, no matter how distorted it is, and how much the LIES cry out of the words.
On every other people but Jews, this kind of "Newspapaer Article" would never see the light of day. and the fact that so many people in your country, believe in this 10th century crap, make you look like Savage barbaric. and ethics ? If Stalin was an ethical man, you're also one.
culture of lies. unbelievable
and not in Sweden ? do you know that till 1951 Jews in Sweden were prohibited to take public jobs by law ?
politcal story ? speakig on borders, that political. speaking on one of the ugliest
blood libel ever, and that with ZERO proof, that simply antisemitism.
go read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel_against_Jews
if you wanna know more
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/191970-Outrageous-Illegal-Settlers-Push-Palestinians-to-Sleep-on-the-Street
But of course, this article just like any other such report from that particular area of the world is a fabrication, an example of bad journalism, palestinian propaganda and antisemitic attempts at demonising "jews".
Everyone is lying except the zionists.
The zionists of the Israeli government own the truth and their present strategy is to perpetually agonize all of us, like mad barking dogs, until we agree with them or run to hide from them afraid of being labelled an "antisemite".
I for one will never agree with the zionist description of reality, because I never promote crimes against humanity in any form and I will never ever give in or buy their trying to convince us that being critical of the wrongdoings of the zionist regime equals antisemitism.
I sympathise with all jews and Israelis wanting to live in peace with their neighbours and who are not zionists. (For more information please google "jews against zionism").
"what the f-ucking you can do? nothing. i will wait and see you! fu-cking Swedes and Arabs". yada yada yada (is that yiddish BTW?)
His/her earlier post seemed relatively intelligible (if lacking in any intelligence). It turns out it is cut/pasted from a rabidly right-wing website that advocates the expulsion of all Arabs from the holy land. I've reported your comments Jewish, I hope that others have too and you will be banned from this site for good.
You also might want to think about learning English if you want to participate on English speaking forums in any constructive way, but somehow I doubt that your pathological brain would be able to cope with that.
by reading your comments i am sure that you are not a jew at all. again you are using dirty islamic technik.it is the muslims who killed fellow muslims in millions.
the smell of antisemitism is coming strong from you. you try to mask it like all other modern antisemitic, with given other reasons. but there's no reasons of supporting ugly and filthy article in the paper. an article that its whole purpose, is to make the ZIONIST, (oh my, the Zionist are also JEW somehow!! i had no idea!! of course, its not related, yea right?) look like animals, (and therefore, get every bad end someday) and all of that, with given NO PROOF WHATSOEVER.
and you again and again try to get the subject to your political views, which has nothing to do with this case.
this kind of article would be sued in civic court for tens of millions, if it was against an individual in Sweden. and that newspaper wouldn't dare making those accusations without SOLID proofs. but against a country, yea, a ZIONIST country, which is the only home for the Jewish people, that's OK. coz we all LOVE to HATE Israel.
(again, nothing to do with the JEWS, right ?)
well, I don't like the SWEDINST. Swedenist are running a twisted country that forgot right from wrong, and elevating the nonessential, over what truly important. and for the cowardy to always bully to the people whos always its been so easy to do it to them.
but with all their so call morality, they're evil enough to ignore all the real genocide that happen right now, and in the past 5 years in darfur. and more genocides that happened few time in the last decade or two. but hey, I sympathies with all the Swedish who want to live with good hearts.
and why ? because for some reason, which they can't explain themselves, they demand much more from the Jewish country then from the rest of the world.
but don't worry if it makes you think a bit. tomorrow, you will read a new invention in a swedish newspaper, about israel making a new genocide. the world goes round and round and nothing ever changes.
I think.
Please type the words '' The Miracle of Pharaoh in the Quran'' on you tube page look and listen it.
Reinfeldt is a greater leader than any US President since Andrew Jackson.
Unfortunately, if you question Israel here, you are committing professional suicide, as the Zionists control everything.
Israel is a gangster state. It harbors hundreds of criminals that have fled prosecution in the countries where they robbed their hosts blind. Israel violates UN Resolutions daily with its illegal occupation of Palestine.
Rather than being pro-Israel and coming here to condemn the critics of Israel, perhaps it would be a better use of enthusiasm to go to Israel and publicly question the conduct of its "ethical" leadership.
Well that's the funny thing, isn't it? There are almost no Swedes here..
I'm getting tired of this, why does almost everyone think that everyone here are Swedish?! The newspaper is in English! Hey (!), we actually speak Swedish and our newspapers are in Swedish. This newspaper is mostly for foreigners. I'm an exception but I have my own particular reasons (which should be obvious).
Other than that I think you're a bit harsh and Obama is much better, Reinfeldt makes many mistakes and is all and all mediocre.
"Sorry but I feel the need to put some facts in here due to the rants of some proclaiming Sweden to be a moral and honest place to put your money in. During WWII Sweden supplied vasts amount of Iron Ore, Ball Bearings and other engineering parts to the Nazi war machine. Sweden even let them use their territory to invade Norawy. Also when Deutchmarks were in short supply, Sweden took payment in Nazi gold (or Jewish gold from its various sources eg teeth).....that gold is still here. It wasnt until 1943 when the Swedish govt realised they backed the wrong horse and switched sides. Intrinsically Swedes are opportunistic businessmen and today are huge exporters of arms. I am pro sweden believe it or not....but please stick to facts and the true nature of the country."
about freedom of speech, from WIKI:
"According to the Freedom Forum Organization, legal systems, and society at large, recognize limits on the freedom of speech, particularly when freedom of speech conflicts with other values or rights.[21] Limitations to freedom of speech may follow the "harm principle" or the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography or "hate speech".[22] Limitations to freedom of speech may occur through legal sanction and/or social disapprobation."
Do no forget it's Sweden who closed a website because of a caricature which the Muslims didn't like.
And for all even trying to discuss the organ harvesting...just STOP. Grow up. everyone knows the article is false, you're just making a fool of yourselves.
We often make comments on stories we read, short and sweet and get on with the next story.
In the past few days, it has been taken over by the Israeli mis-information brigade. The Israeli and pro-Israeli posters who have commented on stories outside of the Aftonbladet story, have shown themselves to be ignorant and illiterate and to follow the lead of their Government spokesman to push the propaganda line that any slight towards Israel demonstrates that the whole world is anti-Semitic. I wonder in Netanyahu tried that line in London today when he had a meeting about the illegal Israeli settlements in occupied East Jerusalem?
All you Israelis please get off our web site and leave us Swedes and Expats living in Sweden alone.
You will not get condemnation of the Aftonbladet story from us or from our government. At some time in the future Aftonbladet MAY get a rap on the knuckles from Göran Lambertz when he gets back from his holidays but don't hold your breath. Until then just go away and leave us alone!!
August 26, 2009
Israeli researchers succeeded in growing heart tissue in the abdomen of a rat and then implanting it into another animal's damaged heart.
The experiment, which was published this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, shows that it is possible the rejuvenate the heart after an attack, Ha'aretz reported.
Typically, a heart attack leaves a scar that exerts pressure on the heart, often leading to another attack. The tissue patch prevented this deterioration.
If you don't like it, don't read it.
No one is forcing you to read.
If you do choose to read. STOP WHINING!!!!
"illegal Israeli settlements in occupied East Jerusalem?"
Who says it's illegal?
It's all withing Israel borders. If you don't like it, write a letter to the UN. They returned us the land.
Does Israel tell Sweden not to build in Stockholm??
No.
Mind your own business. Your country is no perfect, work on that before bugging others.
There you go again showing just how STUPID you are.
You hide under a pseudonym why don't you use your real name . What have you got to hide?
Re illegal settlements in East Jerusalem.
EVERYBODY in the whole world, from the United Nations down says that they are illegal. Israeli officials are evicting Palestinians from their homes in order to turn East Jerusalem into a Jewish only region. It is not within Israeli borders is Occupied territory.
Your infantile little mind says that Israel does not tell Swedes not to build in Stockholm! Perhaps you think that Israel has ,the right to dictate to the whole world!
I do not think that Sweden is perfect, like many countries it has it's good and bad points, I chose to come and live here because on balance it has more good than bad.
And do not come back to me with the old chestnut that I do not know anything about Israel. I have been to Israel many times. I had an Israeli partner for many years. And spent months in the country. My girlfriend eventually left Eretz Yisrael because of the bigotry of people like you. Dumb, numbskulls.
I have no opinion one way or the other as to the truth or lies of the Aftonbladet story. It is up to them to justify or otherwise the publication of the story. I started off thinking that it was most probably false but the vitriolic response attacks from the Israeli thugs such as yourself make me wonder
Why not take a read of the words of the sensible Israeli press and just SHUT UP
NAHUM BARNEA IN YEDIOT AHARONOT
"The story... is certainly a contemptible story - the press at its worse. Yet the campaign Israel's government is conducting against Sweden following publication is no less untenable. This is a base, cynical campaign that proves that the foreign minister in Netanyahu's government thinks only of internal needs - his internal needs."
LIRAN LOTKER IN CENTRIST MA'ARIV
"Like the uncompromising demand for an apology from the Swedish government, the Israeli attack on the newspaper was like a gift from heaven for Aftonbladet that turned the story into 'struggle for freedom of the press in Sweden'... A simple, direct reaction by the Foreign Ministry... would have caused the story to disappear as early as the following day instead of becoming a diplomatic crisis from which no side gains."
I the meanwhile, It's Europe who is doing that. Not Israel. Israel does not tell Europe where to built what. I can't say it's the other way around.
HJP Schaab, Holland
For all those who have been wound up by this article: Every country has it,s gutter press, bad newspapers that tell tall stories. A classic in England is 'The News of the World'..............full of mad stories that if you have some inteligence can deduce is for yourself, is not to be taken seriously and is pretty much tounge in cheek. Aftonbladet is,nt quite there on the same level but it,s not far off with many of it,s shock horror headlines.
Chill out Israel. If an Israeli paper printed an article on the Swedish Royal family being involved in drug smuggling and in colaboration with the Taliban opium growers.......do you think Swedes would get so upset?
I'm not comparing Sweden to Germany, but Sweden wasn't innocent in WW2. They were part of it even if not conducted the mass murders.
So much for being a neutral country.
This was my last post here , all i can wish for , is that you'll get what you deserve.
Now, it is clear that the muslim propaganda machine diverts the attention of its own atrocities towards millions around the globe in the past years to a conflict in which less people died than in the Mexican drug war. But liberal Europe eats this because: 1) It's consulates are burning and people are dying if the muslim behind is not kissed. 2)It fits well with the antisemitic views in Europe.
Reinfelt, you are right. It is not for the government to comment on the content of "every newspaper" but you should have commented on this one. Why? Because, the newspaper wrote an article which was not proven and it reflected the values of Sweden.
The values of Sweden were valued by the silence of the Swedish government. When the Swedish nation placed racist comments as a priority over the truth and then reacted in racist manner to the government of Israel, it, Sweden showed it's racist beliefs.
You were wrong Sweden. There are rights to freedom of speech and there are responsibilities that go along with those rights. You want the rights but you don't want the responsibilities.
- wait -
He is!
Now that all is well in the world I can sleep well at night without the horrible dream where Mona Sahlin waggles her wonderful and weird wattle at me :-)