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Swedish father Ragnar Bengtsson, 26, has entered into an experiment that he hopes will help him breastfeed his future children.
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"I'm going to have to pull out the pump during lectures. But really it doesn't bother me if it makes people uncomfortable. If they have issues with it that's their problem" - Do that and I will shove that pump up your *rse.
"If they have issues with it that's their problem".
That's so true. All you judgers who responded that this is sick, what are you so afraid of? It's his body, his interest, his own experiment. Why does that threaten you?
Jose_s, can you come up with a reason that this isn't okay? You definitely WERE trying to be rude negative.
If you think he should be physically punished (shoving the pump up his ass, as Naturebox thinks), or otherwise somehow prevented from doing this then you have a problem with the free will of others.
I'm just sick of so much negativity whenever someone is doing something that you don't understand. You all seem to think that if he does this, he's saying you all have to want to do this. That's insane. Just because you wouldn't be interested in doing something yourself, doesn't mean you have to call everyone who is doing something sick, twisted, and deserving of punishment.
Note to The Local: Not everything is fit to print, but it's usually the endless barages of negativity in the comments rather than the articles themselves.
The answer is that as embryos men and women have similar tissues and body parts. If anything the embryo follows a 'female template'. That is why nipples are present in both sexes. It is the effect of the genes, the Y chromosome and the hormone testosterone that brings about the changes and masculinises the embryo. Testosterone promotes the growth of the penis and testicles. Because nipples are there before this process begins the nipples stay!
why do they even bother to right about an idiot like this. experiment or not his is child abuse. sick bastard
It is okay to print about current research projects. And that is exactly what it is. Research.
Research saves lives.
Stop complaining and please be supportive. Especially if you do not know the whole story.
Thank you.
im not surprised that you are studying economics, you want to make most of what you got. your dady didnt this for you so you dont need doing it for your baby.
just act like a normal person infront of your child and your child will understand you better day by day.if you carry on with this so called research your child will try to keep a way from you and his/her mumy. what gonne happen to mumy`s bond then?tell the truth if you have not left any milk in wife`s breast.? just kidding mat
An entirely unnatural act to say the least.
Not only on a religious (for those of you that believe) level but on a biological level as well.
This act is a total embarrassment to the organic processes and natural functions of the organism that is known as human.
I personally hope this man does not try this on a living soul.
Completely and utterly wrong!!!!!!!!!!!
Then, he can start taking something like Reglan or Domperidone (Motilium) and that should bring it in.
If it doesn't come naturally for your side of the species then you shouldn't do it!!!
I also don't agree to women taking hormones after menopause to have a baby. If nature says you are too old then thats that.
Heh, I've alway's wondered what it would be like to have sex with a penis, I could buy a fake one, strap it on...now all I have to do is make myself some semen and woohoo!!
God I would love to see like 8 male lions sitting around in group breastfeeding and talking about desperate housewives and how they just cant get the frizz out of their manes, oh curse the humidity!!!!
"it could prove very important for men's ability to get much closer to their children at an early stage"
bu!! $h!t what a non sense.
1. People were deciding whether colored people were fit to ride on a bus with them
2. If, horror or horrors, women were capable to actually work and do something beyond housework
3. If gay people could actually have a relationship that meant anything
and so on, and so forth. And please leave the whole imaginary God thing out of it.
And surprisingly many men on this forum who seem to be so unsure about their manhood, and how you really need to reiterate to yourselves about what defines a man. Bet you need to look in the mirror every day and say "You're the man. No, I'm not gay".. and Mr Hugh Hefner (spelt backwards, aww so clever you are, good doggy) obviously has the perfect role model of what a man is for him...
* Swedish dad pregnant again!
* Swedish woman to pump her vagina, in an effort to grow a penis!
* More Swedish men suffering from PMS than women!
Oh, I can come up with so many :P
By the way, I seriously love and respect Swedes, so don't mind my nonsense :)
as women, we've been fighting for decades to do and have and be perceived in many things the same way as men. it's amazing how much uproar there is (from women and men alike) when the tables are turned - some women seem to feel threatened that a man is perceived to be taking something away from them/able to replace them in what has always been a traditionally female role, and some men seem to feel their masculinity threatened.
i think it's simple..."live and let live". if you feel that your life is yours to make your own choices about, then leave him to make his own choices about his and what he spends his time on. if he's behaving in an irresponsible manner that's harming others or placing anyone in danger, that's a good reason to get pissed off. in the greater scheme of things there are worse injustices happening in the world that we could be focussing our anger on.
Oo oo, I have got a good one! How long before the church accepts the right to marry a baboon! or it becomes legally acceptable to marry your distant cousin (the chimp!)
Even though my next question will seem offensive to many, but what guarantee is there, that in a few years time, people will not start advocating the right of an individual to legally marry their sibling or their parent or their child. Can any one guarantee me that!!! I don't think so. We live in a very sick world. God help us all, if you believe in God that is ;)
Its attention he is after and what he is getting.. Some people feel so insignificant and invisible that they will do most anything to be noticed.. whether that attention is good or bad.
Regardless of why he is performing this behavior its not in the best interest of his children. Mothers milk is nutritious and necessary for a baby's success. A mans lactation's can not even compare because they do not have the mammary glands a woman does.. His experiment is pointless and simply a cry for attention.. which he is obviously getting..
Sir Arthur Streeb-Greebling
at best this is dumb, but borders on sick.
I remember a episode of Family Guy when Peter tried to breast feed stewie...it was a gut churning vomit inducing little scene...and that was just a cartoon...
Someone need to stop this insanity
unfortunately i am unable to find the web page decribing the story of a malasian father whose wife died in child birth and who decided to breast feed his newlyborn son so the baby wouldn't die. and it worked! all the nipples need was the stimulation from the baby's mouth to produce milk.
(edit: reading sir arthur's comment i realise it's the same story and the guy was sri lankan. my bad)
of course it is not as plentiful as from a woman's breast but the same tissues (mammal glands) are present in the male breast, only less of it.
check this informative website out: http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/miscarticles/milkmen.html
i thought that most people who read the news and post here are enlightened and intelligent people. some of your comments make me sick though and really makes me wonder just how progressive people nowadays really are.
or is it just that you males feel threattened in your masculinity, now that there is a possiblity to breast feed your children? so much for "oh, i sure would want to give birth to children if i COULD, but sadly that is impossible". is all that talk just smoke and mirrors, posted and said in conversation because it sounds good and makes you look "new-age"?
shame on those who have nothing but negative attitude towards a father breast feeding his child. how is a man breast feeding any more "disgusting" or "vomit enducing" (thank's for that one billyB) than a woman doing the same thing? it's juice squeezed from a person. how does the gender of that person make any difference?
anyway, for some people, me included, this is just wrong and more than odd.
But thats ok, not everybody will always agree on everything.
but everyone is entitled to add their comments regardless of if you agree with them or not.
SVERIGE!!!!!
This isn't a life and death situation, the dude must be an attention whore.
Or the swedish guy who went to a strip club in romania and he reported to the police that she went too far during a lapdance. They didn't say if the police punched him in the face and then threw him out of the station on his arse, but I would have.
Sverige please change and save yourself before it's too late.
How can you be so insensitive to those who do not agree with your view? You have resorted to scolding and lecturing to make yourself feel above those who disagree with you.
Men and women each have separete, distinct, very important roles in raising children. The blurring of the lines is done for those males that lack the confidence to stand up, be men, and assume their role. There is nothing wrong with being a dad and acting like a man. If dads were meant to breast feed, it wouldn't be such a controversial subject, now would it?
You can blather all you want about mammary glands, etc. That doesn't matter. The whole point here is that when this deviant does what he is doing, he is simply showing personal choice and expressing himself, no matter how offensive that might be to men who do not want mommy's role. But when anyone objects, they are mean spirited, insensitive, or my favorite "uncomfortable with their masculinity".
If this is 'progressive', you can have it.
I haven't seen this amount of panic and sheer hate in a long time... I can't start to imagine how insecure of his own masculinity one must feel to react this aggressively to some guy pumping his breast!
Anyways, kudos to the pumper, I wish you success!
As for this article men like women do have mammory glands and maybe like the appendix the male mammory gland's purpose became redundant; that is untill now.
But considering the new scientific experiment of the possibility to bear a child without the sperm and therefore the "male factor", this story finds logic that women after giving birth may prove to be redundant too.
It doesn't mean that the rest of us should be exposed to it. I'm not saying it should be against the law for him to pump himself in class, however, common decency (which is less common now) should prevent him from doing it.
Men breast feeding is NOT how we were created. If you don't believe in creation, we certainly weren't evolved to do so either. Who knows what sort of other hormones a kid could ingest. He shouldn't even be trying to do this. He's an embarrassment to men and his kid is going to be a laughing stock growing up. OHHHH YOU HAVE THE BOOBIE DAD!
@ecdaddy: i'm not actually dissing those who are "of a different" opionion. if you don't feel like suckling your baby as a man is a good idea, then don't. i'm not trying to re-inforce compulsory breast feeding for men by law.
my point was that people who usually claim to be open-minded and progressive suddenly resort to screaming "abomination!!!" as soon as they hear people do things the unorthodox way.
plus, i find it lame to call men who want to give it a go "disgusting", et cetara? can't be other than because you're feeling insecure with yourself.
Also, think back, way back when we used to like in caves and all that fun stuff. There were no little rubber pacifiers for men to use when their mates were busy doing stuff. What would be a good substitute for a nipple? No silly, not a finger, who knows whats on fingers. Ok, Ill give you a second guess. Yup, thats right! A nipple! Good job :) A round of applause for ye! I'm also pretty sure that a nipple would be cleaner than a finger.. for the most part.
So I'll wrap-up with saying that how knows, maybe a long time ago guys might have lent their nipples to their babies to calm them down. Probably not to feed them, but still, you see my point right?
so if we can drink the juice from a cow, or a sheep, a horse, goat, or our mothers, what's the big deal with it coming from our fathers? why does that make it all "wrong"?
@jose: what do you mean "effin with our bodies"? it's not like the guy suggested to undergo hormone therapy.
thanks for clearing that up and making it sound so normal. From now on I,ll keep an eye out for those transexual lactating breasts and even give my own a little pumping.....could be useful when you,ve run out of milk at home and cant be bothered to go out to the shops.
I would never have pumped in public, so that part of his assertion is a little weird even to me, but there is NO reason for people to get insane about this. (Especially since you aren't in his classes anyway). I have no answer for you creationists because you people don't listen to reason in the first place, but from an evolutionary standpoint it makes sense to have Dad as a stand-by source of milk should something go awry with Mom.
And goldfish aren't mammals, you hopeless fool.
http://bit.ly/man-breast-feeding
lol and lol
http://www.raptureforums.com
1. Will the milk be as good for the baby? There are so many nutrients in a woman's milk (and so many hormones and other biological phenomena that drive the process of making milk) that he should at least be a little skeptical of whether his stuff is up to par!
2. Can he really make enough milk to be worthwhile?
3. If so and he makes a habit of breastfeeding, will it be as good for the mother? After all, there are many health benefits women get from breastfeeding.
4. With all that time and effort, why not just bottle some of mom's milk for later? Or if she is having trouble, hiring a wet nurse? Either option sounds like less trouble!
I do not know what is wrong with this society ,a girl sell her virginity on online. another sells her fake breasts, another news comes a man gives a birth to child.
and now look insulting our mothers ....
I wonder if these things happens in Islamic countries?
Also, if he really thinks that pumping while lecturing is okay...pumps are noisy. I should know...I spent 18 months using one while breastfeeding my own daughter who never latched. I used my pump, at first, eight times a day for around thirty minutes at a time. Believe me, they're loud. If I was a student, I'd complain.
1. If it works, great...Imagine all the mothers who fail, then they have a potential backup...
2. It gets up the nose of the superstitious idiot, myth believing religious zealots!
I don't think it will work, I think he's barking mad, but what the heck?
some one tell him to cut his pe*** to become a mother as well to get even more closer to the child at early age and even give birth to babies as well...just as backup!
Now you know what his baby is thinking.
oh,come on women stop moaning,just feed your babies with love and enjoy feeding them,dont give this job to men,dont take their manhood away from them.
thanx to all swedish women.
The difference is often what makes it all enjoyable. Just imagine how freakish it would be if all of us could pass as each other's clone?
God has created men & women with different purpose..... Now a days things like that often come to our notice..... these things are very very bad.........
i think soon we will see a man giving birth to a child.....
this is disgusting......
As for those who feel threatened by Swedish men - is it so surprising that a woman should prefer a guy who is in touch with both his feminine and masculine side to someone who has been emotionally crippled by the old patriarchal ideal of masculinity? I know I'd prefer the former any time.
That said, maybe trying to lactate is a little over the top as public demonstration of what I'm talking about. But 1) it's this guy's own body and 2) it's not so bad to draw a little attention to the changes of attitude to traditional gender roles that have been going on, it looks like both men and women in this society have come a long way.
Plus, there are parents who adopt newborns & would like to breast feed. Some of those parents who adopt maybe two males.
I think the men & even women who think of this as disgusting need to get over their pride & do what's best for their child. I think what this British father is trying to attempt is mighty clever, may your experiment be accomplished!!!!!
Just pumping his breasts, won't make him produce milk, or at least not enough to benefit anybody.
But he is probably just hungry for attention and approval from the feminists and their supporters.