February 10, 2010
Published: 11 Sep 09 11:09 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/22014/20090911/
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One of the three Swedish nationals arrested nearly two weeks ago in Pakistan is Mehdi Ghezali, a former terror suspect who was released from the United States’ Guantánamo Bay prison in 2004.
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And some here called racism when some of us said the arrested people weren't real Swedish.
There you go mates, do you believe now?
I can see how glad you are to find any chance to practice your hate and discrimination!
I am a muslim and I live in Sweden ! What is my relation to that silly guys???
Should Sweden expel every immimgrant for you to be happy?
Only stupid people can judge a group upon a personal behaviours because they can not think or analyse and have no ability to judge individulas they meet!
I really hope I never come up against you guys in a jury if I ever have the misfortune to be arrested for stepping on cracks in the pavement (under new health and safety laws).
The level of debate here has deteriorated from day one and now resembles something from junior school. I was going to say kindergarten but then I realised kindergarten children will probably not have developed such bigoted, ignorant, judgmental and intolerant views at that age.
"What is my relation to that silly guys???"
You have answered it yourself.
"Should Sweden expel every immimgrant for you to be happy?"
Nop, Sweden should expel and, most importantly, close its doors to bad immigration in general and to the religion of p!ss in particularly.
Besides my happiness this will ensure a safe and bright future to our children.
I totally agree with you. As an immigrant from the EU fighting for my rights, having less help from Sweden than this people and being discriminated even though I am highly qualified.
I believe Sweden can accept who ever they want though, but giving passports and citizenships to anyone right away (2 or 5 years) is just ridiculous. I lived in Argentina almost 30 years and never got their citizenship, I still have all my rights but as an immigrant (maybe that is an open minded country towards immigration in some way)
Sweden opens the door , gives passports as candy bars and then put immigrants in a big bag of unwanted things regardless of what they can really do for their country.
Here's a picture of him in highschool:
http://www.dn.se/polopoly_fs/1.286905!image/3466003268.jpg
He was normal back then. :(
"to an Algerian father ...He's more Swedish than anything else"
Are you joking?
no if 1 swede commits a crime we do not say all swedes are bad becaus ethe hot women will always redeem them. But if we constantly see swedes constantly commit crimes in the name of Odin, then yes we would have to start questioning what is wrong with Norse Religion and look suspiciously on them and then take away their women from them to protect them.
But why is it when people become more religious with Islam theybecome radical, yet when people becoem more religious with Christianit they become more peacful and loving and good.
Some food for thought for you people who hate Christians yet embrace the multi-culturalism of Islam (so-called religion of peace).
The racist nutter brigade has got another story on which to open up their usual tirade of hate. Spitting out the usual dire warnings of doom. As usual the posts are illiterate, without any grammar and the spelling is atrocious.
Totyis Get your facts straight. The total number of immigrants to Sweden from so called Muslim countries ( i.e. the majority religion is Islam) is 450,000-500,000. Not all these immigrants are Muslim.
The percentage of the Swedish population originating from these countries is therefore around 5% of the population not the 10% you quote
The Number of practicing Muslims , according to The Muslim Council for Sweden is 100,000. That is the number that they get state funding for as do the Christian, Jewish and other religious groups. . They are not likely to say that there are less Muslims than there are as they get more money from the state for more members.
So the REAL percentage of the Swedish population of true followers of Islam is 1% and that includes Swedes such as Mehdi Ghezali. Just because a person comes from a country, does not mean that he or she is a practising member of the majority religion. So your prediction of "Goodbye old Sweden" is a long way off
There are good immigrants and bad immigrants in Sweden just as there are good Swedes and bad Swedes. People are people. Look beneath the skin to the soul and do not put everybody under the same label.
To all you purveyors of hate out there. Engage your brain before you open your mouth. But I suppose that may be difficult as whatever brain cells you where born with have been eaten away by your hate.
Peace, Shalom, Salam Alykum ,
And in the words of the late Irish comedian Dave Allen "May your god go with you where ever you are."
I have asked you before, but you didn't answer, so I'll do it again.
Are you European? Real European? For some reason I have felling you're not, if so, you're not on our side. You are not us but them, therefore I'd encourage you to keep yourself in your rightful place.
I may be wrong though, if so my apologies. But just in case would mind to clarify this?
Guru Nanak, the founder of the Sikh faith said " There is no Hindu, there is no Muslim" - Human being can not be bound by his religion because the Almighty is everywhere. He is in the soul of everyone.
The Guru once held a bowl full of milk, he said that the bowl was the earth and the milk was all the warring religions of the earth. He then dropped a lotus blossom on the milk which floated on top. This said the Guru was Sikh faith bringing calm
I have always stated my background in many posts
Ethnicity: Caucasian
Nationality: British
Residence: Sweden
Religion of birth: Christian Baptised and Confirmed
Current religion: Not practicing
"i am not european."
There you go mate, just a I thought.
In that case, please stay at your side of the line...
It is important that Sweden shows that this person does not represent Sweden or Swedish values.
Just because I am European does not mean that I am on the same side of the line as you or Eurostan or any of the other hate spewers.
Give us your biography
At least now u all now that Pakistanis are not terrorists.There are many different agencies who are funding people like Ghezali all over the world to destroy Pakistan.
Then these people do terrorist activities in the name of Islam and people blame Pakistan that they are the terrorists.
So plz change your mind It is not the America who are fighting against terrorists its Pakistan.
Yep mate, you are free choose with side better fits to you...
My biography...
Ethnicity: Caucasian
Nationality: Spanish
Residence: Dublin at the moment, back to Sweden soon.
Religion of birth: Protestant
Current religion: Protestant
What the hell no Pakistani.Then why they are called terrorists?
'Seven Turks'..not fun to read when we know Sweden is very in favour of Turkey joining the EU!
Sweden shows support for Turkey's EU bid as it takes over bloc's helm: http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/world/11980365.asp
If ever i was in doubt i could spot a moron / whacko by the way he writes, you have taken all that doubt away.
Hilarius too by the way, thanks for the laugh :))
Do you have a supply of rubbish that you circulate around the net?. My advice, flush it down the pan where it belongs
What is this all about mate?
look there is always a super power who wants things there way if you hate america so much who would do better? CHINA? RUSSIA? IRAN? N.KOREA? america has done much for this world some bad but also good when you think about what they contribute to the world in tech., meds, sicence. and so on. and some country who invinte some high tech gear does so because they can sell it in america. the US had it right when they put this guy in prision the first time. hope the dirty muslim suffers.
He needs to come back to Germany 1944 as soon as possible before Commandant Rudolf Hoss notices his absence. Please note that important Jew execution is scheduled tomorrow morning and the matter is urgent.
staffs; to paraphrase GW Bush : don't mis-underestimate the mind of a kindergardener.
Thank you for sharing the information (true or false) about that 1% of "true followers of islam". But that worsens even more the situation. If at a 1% ratio Sweden has to face this sort of problems then sadly "Good bye old Sweden" is not that long way of. 1% would be around 90000-100000. Lets presume that only a 5% of this followers are fanatics making the headlines of bad news. But still, does Sweden and Swedes needs them? Would not like to see Sweden in the same s@it as England (parallel justice system, extremism, londonistan, osv.
Secondly, are You calling me racist? I quote You: "The racist nutter brigade...". Why? Was I saying anything about race?
Yes, I am against the psychic disease called islam.
I'm European
Baptized Protestant
Not Practicing
Residence in Sweden
Ethnicity Hungarian
Ethnicity: American Indian/Caucasian
Nationality: American
Residence: USA
Religion of birth: None
Current religion: Agnostic
OK, maybe Sweden should try a tunnel to Waziristan -- it seems like there's a lot of tourist traffic going there these days. The hotels are cheap, food is pretty good.... We can add that to the Gaza Strip as a favored Swedish tourist destination!
Joking aside, please note in the article the following:
"the group was reportedly on its way to southern Waziristan, a stronghold for the Taliban in Pakistan, near the border with Afghanistan..."
So in other words, they were ON THE WAY IN. Hardly a coincidence -- you don't take vacations to that part of the world. If you don't live there, there is no reason to go in except if you're on an "operation".
They didn't make it. And now Pakistan's ISI is probably going to do a serious number on these guys -- the Swede included. Will the foreign ministry lodge a protest? How will this play out politically?
Also, I wonder how their experience in Pakistan's prison system and interrogation rooms will be compared in the Swedish press with their beloved guy's treatment in Guantanamo?
Waterboarding? Horror of horrors, no doubt -- that was the "worst of it" in the US Guantanamo camp, which brought condemnation of the USA from across the venerated EU. But when the ISI starts the real interrogation, the European and Swedish press will no doubt simply whip up their subjective morality yardstick -- "yes, well, you see, the Pakistanis do that sort of thing, so it is okay...."
Read this link for information on the Religious demography of Sweden -FACT not Fiction
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2008/108474.htm.
Where do you get your 5% of Muslims are fanatics? No proof that this is the situation in Sweden or elsewhere in the world even in Muslim countries.
According to the United Nations There is no difference between Racial and Ethnic discrimination So yes you are Racist. You want to ban immigrants based on Ethnicity - all those from countries where the national religion is Muslim - Do you want to see more Hungarians coming to Sweden even if they are Muslims or perhaps Roma?.
You talk of a psychic disease called Islam which just shows your paranoia. Everybody should condemn acts of violence carried out in the name of religion wherever it occurs. Sweden, Pakistan, UK, Israel. But do not as my mother would say "Tar everybody with the same brush" there are good and bad in every nation and within every religion. Condemn the bad but support the good.
United Nations? Whatever. But if there is no "difference" between Racial and Ethnic discrimination that still doesn't make them identical. And no, I wouldn't like to " see more Hungarians coming to Sweden even if they are Muslims or perhaps Roma".
I will finish by giving you this fresh link from TL http://www.thelocal.se/22042/20090912/
It's from today
So where in the link that you posted above does it say MUSLIM ??
i Expect it was a whole bunch of Drunk Hungarians.
Of course from too much nonwhite pride, you would sit and express your hatred on EVERY forum, including this one, that describe how muslims are caught in assistance to Al Qaida, eh?
Of course - you will blame the Jews in Sri Lankan conflict as well, just to show your higher education. Of course you will bang on Amin, forgetting that Muslim buddies of Amin kidnapped a civilian plane (because they are such brave warriors, of course) and how Israel kicked his behind and released the plane.
And of course - from too much educated sophistication, you would call other monkeys, just to reinforce your excellent arguments, your amazing proof of the guilt of the Jews in your itch in the eye and of every hurricane in the world.
Just continue sitting and blaming the Jews on every forum where the muslims are showing their peacefulness through bombing, cuttung off heads and starving others in millions. I am sure that people will be distracted from the issues at hand by your shaman screams.
You are not even an opponent to anyone, but a bit like these crazy hobo ladies that stand in the subway passage and scream their opinions about the "wrath of the Lord"...
here is a clip regarding Hungary
On November 16, Miklos Dory (member of the MSZP local faction) opined at a meeting of the Budapest 13 district's city council that Gyorgy Szabo (an Israeli-Hungarian dual citizen and member of the local faction of Fidesz) did not understand the government program since "he spent too much time in Israel." Dory also suggested that if Szabo did not feel comfortable in Hungary, he could easily leave the country.
Maybe the same could be said to you about living in Sweden
If you do not feel comfortable her in Sweden maybee you should leave. Go back to Hungary. The Muslims that you hate so much are in a Very very small minority in Hungary. They like the Jews are held down by the facists.
FYI after a couple of years living in sweden with a swedish citizen or after living some more on your own here you have a right to a Swedish passport. That is what I mean despite of his specific situation. I still believe that is just RIDICULOUS!
And I step my foot down to it.
It just makes no sense.
Its time to throw out these miscreants who defame Pakistan for there stupid and barbaric actions.
"We can add that to the Gaza Strip as a favored Swedish tourist destination!" LOL
"when the ISI starts the real interrogation, the European and Swedish press will no doubt simply whip up their subjective morality yardstick -- "yes, well, you see, the Pakistanis do that sort of thing, so it is okay...."
Exactly. Maybe it wont even make the European or Swedish press after this. No sense in diverting valuable resources away from fanning the American hatred flames.
This is my last comment addressed to You. Every comment You've made were personal attacks on me as You were probably feeling targeted by my words. If You feel better in an islamic republic just head back to England, londonistan.
"He's more Swedish than anything else...He became radicalised when he allegedly served in the Algerian armed forced and later when studying in Saudi Arabia"
If he is so Swedish what was he doing serving in the Armenian armed forces?, or even later studying in Saudi Arabia?. Does not sound very Swedish to me, I don't know any Swedes that served in foreign armies. And what a coincidence that he is always found with radical islamic company. If he developed some personality disorder and became an extremist, that is his and his family's problem, the rest of the world wants to be safe, personality disorder or not.
What? Another article about a muslim caught arranging suicide bombings?
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"Oh, muslims killed 4 million combined in Somalia and Sudan?
aaaa! here here again! Sri lankans are zionists! jews are guilty in the global warming, financial collapse, they rape economies aaaaaa!!! ehud barak, eyal cohen, tzipi livniiii! they personally arranged the ww1!"
"oh, muslims are warring in Yemen, Philliines and China? mmm... what shall i say? ...
aaaa them Jews drink the blood of babies, Nebuchadnezzar, ho chi minn, Josef Stalin and Ehud Olmert had a secret meeting last week!!! aaaaa! loook heeere! all of you who do not hate Jews betray god and your own mothers!!!"
Aren't you tired? It is just embarrassing... like talking to clinically insane...
No one even bothered to read the article throughly when it says "...was never put on trial nor was he told why he had been detained" How do you judge a person without having a trial? 9/11 was really a tragedy but it doesn't mean that whoever looks suspecious should be held years in prison without proof. Thanks Obama for his logical decision.
OMG!. To say that you sound psychotic is to put it mildly, that's without even considering the delusional paranoid part. Where do you come from? , where did you learn to write English, or in roman letters for that matter?. Your incessant rumblings, pitiful punctuation and lack of coherent sentences are appalling...and even hard to make sense of or understand.
These people are not Swedes by birth, ideology, religion (Church of Sweden), Loyalty (Any of them ever serve overseas with Sweden's military) or threat to the world. These people are destroying your image in the free world.
The Swedish government should be applying itself to improving the lives of actual Swedes and not importing terrorists, muders and oppessors of women.
He picked "stan" from "Hindustan" which is another name of India, and he dreams to make all Europe (EUROSAN) in Hindu extremist state.....filthy and moronic.
What is the problem of Mehdi Ghezali? What did he do?
Well, first, he is not a terrorist. He is only a suspect. Second, terrorism has been abused insofar as the struggle against occupation has been criminalized. We still do not his story. All the anti-Ghezali rhetoric here is a result of hatred towards Islam. He might be a terrorist but it is too early to say that. He could be a freedom fighter, fighting foreign occupation in Afghanistan. The terrorists are the one who occupy other's land and bombard mosques and schools. All European nations resisted the occupation before. When we talk about terrorism we should not miss the fact that the American, NATO and Israeli troops are practicing state terror on daily basis on Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan.
Iraq is run now by an elected government and Nata and US are trying to get out from between what is a uncivil war ...Palestine might be a different story but Nato and US are not involved and if they quit shooting their stupid little rockets and elected a government which represented the people it would be easier to have a start at encouraging peace .. Afghanistan has been covered ..
The facts are that all European terrorists are Islamic ..
They say Islam is the religion of peace. I agree, when the entire world has come under "submission" then there will be peace. Do you see the wording there? If that day ever comes, our ancestors looking back at us through time will be ashamed that we didn't fight.
To the subject at hand, this guy is SUSPECTED of being involved with Al Qaeda, nothing more. But then we must look at the facts. He has spent time in Guantanamo, so he has to have been in some precarious situation where there was some suspicion. He was released, this can be seen as an acquittal or a lack of proof, but neither rules out guilt. He has been caught for a second time under suspicious circumstances. I usually go for three strikes, but he is not far away.
We then look at the pattern. He had some form of identity crisis. That is the first red flag. All teenagers have some form of identity crisis, but not all of them join Al Qaeda. He wanted to get in touch with his roots, again understandable. This leads him to Saudi Arabia, one of the most extremely orthodox Islamic countries in the world. This is another red flag. He is arrested by the American military at the beginning of their campaign in Afghanistan. Seriously, who goes for a holiday in Afghanistan, and if one is traveling for enlightenment purposes directed from Saudi Arabia.... well there is another red flag.
All of this is circumstantial, but there is allot of circumstantial evidence here.
Anti-terrorist organisations have extensive files on how Al Qaeda goes about their recruitment. The purposely target the easily influenced youths from western countries seeking their roots, they give them a purpose. It also opens up the Al Qaeda network to conduct missions from within that country. They have even started to target blond haired, blue eyed individuals as they would never be suspected.
There is evidence of this everywhere in the world. Last month an Australian/somali traveled to Somalia to join the Islamic militants there. He was a youth with an identity crisis.
The Swedish media should feel real shame for depicting this man in every instance as a victim. Look at the evidence from a neutral perspective, that is the job of the media.
american troops were in europe fighting nazi occupation. freedom fighter is anyone fight foreign occupation regardless of where he/she comes from. taliban did not attack other countries. al-qaida is the one which attacked USA. another thing: america was attacked because it attacked other countries. in a short: terrorism against terrorism is not terrorism.
facts: in europe there are terrorists who come from different countries but the media make them to look only islamics. how ? let me explain that:
1-not all those who the media call them terrorists are real terrorist. many of them are freedom fighters. for instance, the media label the people who fight in iraq as terrorists. HUH, should i laugh or cry? those who fight in iraq are freedom fighters, they r fighting foreign occupation.
2-there are a lot of european terrorists. do you need examples. o.,k i give you:
a-the german terrorist who killed the muslim woman in the court.
b- in Finland, two terrorists, in different occasions, massacred innocent students in school.
c-in Germany, shooting in schools and killing innocents have been committed by German several times.
d-mosque is still Europe. according to the human right watch, Russian right-wing terrorists are responsible for murdering hundreds of immigrants, mostly Muslims every year.
e-there thousands of right wing terrorists are attacking Muslims and burning mosques.
f- there are thousands of European terrorists who participate in the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. they were responsible in killing civilians in cold blood. i think you have heard about the recent terrorist attack, committed by NATO, causing death of more than 90 innocent Afghani. you have heard also about the sex abuse and torture which was committed by European troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
if all this is not terrorism, then what is terrorism?
well, there are terrorists everywhere, in europe and in the middle east, but the biggest terrorists in the world are the israelis who are occupying palestine and killing children.