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Sweden continues to isolate asylum seekers awaiting deportation in remand centres, despite continued criticism from torture committees at the United Nations and the Council of Europe.
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It has already been decided that they shouldn't be there or they wouldn't be getting deported in the first place!
So they go to some sort of agency. And if the agency thinks they are a threat to the personal they sit in Jail instead.
Sounds about right to me. If i was some assylum seeker and get stuck with some agency and I threaten someone then I would be a risk to the personal and to the other people staying at the agency. sitting in jail instead seems logical. nothing wrong with that I would say
I guess you wouldn't have a clue about what an Idiot is then.
As I said in my post these people have been through the "claiming asylum" process and been refused or they would not be getting deported.
I know about what asylum seekers are, having contacts with a number of them in the UK. Many are genuine but just because someone applies for asylum doesn't mean that they are acting legally!
What a stupid ass you are or you really think from the ass. If you do not know anything it is better to shut up.
I agree with Texrusso and Donato Tagliano,,coz to me it seems like you are think from your dick and not frm your mind,,go and get Education,, before you SHRAB your smell mouth..shut yr smelly mouth if you dont know what is the meanning of refugee..
I guess that shows the level of intelegence of some posters.
intelegence ?
Do you mean intelligence? LOL
I think this 12 years old has a lot of lesson to teach you. You are just full of hate and wickedness. When you die, you will be consumated by the earth: Earth to Earth, dust to dust! You will not take the Earth with you, nor will you take your country or passport with you. All you will leave in this World is a legacy of your hate and wickedness. May the forces be with us!
I don't agree with you 100% so I'm evil and full of hate.
I'll answer your further posts when you grow a brain cell to keep your other one company.
If these people are not locked up they will run away stay illegally. How many news we have already seen about undocumented immigrants?
What I think the Swedish government should do is deport them at once, solving the detention problem and cleaning up Sweden at the same time.
Detention/Remand centers and JAILS were people suspected of crime awaiting trial are kept under isolation and solitary confirment until their case is heard. In these cases, they are not allowed to speak to anyone or take any form of contact to the outside World, even visitors or guest are not allowed except your lawayers.
Everyone has a right to his/her reasonings.There is ststement by someone in authority to look into it which states admittedly, that it will be improved. I have met people with false claims who abscond,and the genuine from other Nationalities.Sweden is one of the most Liberal countries in the world,bringing the case to the fore is a plus and im sure the awaiting deportees will get better treatment.Texrusso look at treatments in austria,germany etc,
Stormysmoker, Beynch, I know ur concerns and sweden needs to check the influx of people to save its society,but at what cost?
Guys lets argue as civilized people and not monsters.I am an african living in sweden, and I love its people.
I am African and have met all concerned.
"How can we guarantee their appearance at their immigration hearings if they are not detained? These people, after all, have violated Swedish law. Chances are that if we did not confine them they would simply disappear underground."
That happens all the time in other EU countries. Immigrants come into a country illegaly are caught then only TOLD to show up again to be deported.
Lol, yeah right! Wonder how many of them show up again. /rolls eyes
It's so stupid to for governments to think they can release someone who either came here illegally or didn't leave when they were supposed to, and think that they'll just show up again to be sent back home.
If you don't go through the legal process to stay in a country you shouldn't be there.
I don't blame anyone for wanting a better life, but if they don't show any respect for the laws of the country they're trying to enter, send them back.
Apply for residence, like we all did. Get in the system, learn the language, obey the laws, respect and accept the culture and don't be a burden on the tax payers.
Anyone willing to do it the right way should be welcome.
Letting people who are in a country illegally run around while waiting to be deported is plain stupid. Less than 1% would likely ever do the right thing and show back. They had the chance to do it right and choose not to, it shows they can't be trusted.
By the way I think the system on deporttion is flawed and has to be improved to a maximum of two weeks in monitored conditions before actual deportation from the second a verdict is reaached.
Fair guys!! :)
As an afterthought My wife is Austrian and over there even Legal immigrants with residence and visa and whatsover get a special detention center and they are absolutely ruthless to you if you are not holding an Austrian passport or a "1st generation" western one(call it shoot nd ask questions after).
. Guys lets cut Sweden a slack! they know how to fix problems (except the Heist) :),
cheers
The reason for the delay may include legal appeals by the person who is going to be deported. Another reason for the delay might be problems with the country of origin of the asylum seeker or illegal immigrant refusing to accept them back.
Not all countries are willing to take back their citizens.
Here's a story from the US on their situation with illegal immigrants:
"As of February, at least eight countries were refusing to take back 139,000 illegal immigrants that the United States has ordered deported, including Vietnam, Jamaica, China, India, Ethiopia, Laos, Eritrea, and Iran, according to Specter's office. They include 18,000 convicted felons. More countries refuse to take back immigrants, but the eight were the major violators, staffers said."
http://specter.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=NewsRoom.Articles&ContentRecord_id=2ba982d7-b338-5b55-948f-6fad215c3dc9&Region_id=&Issue_id=
I guess part of the solution would be a ban on issuing travel, work and student visas to those countries and any others that refuse to take back their own people.
I hope that your children fulfil you dream and become devote Muslims. Especially that your daughters find a nice chap from Afghanistan, marry him and move to leave by Sharia in Kabul.
Until then f@@k off, we have the right to protect our culture and way of life.
Why don't they have the correct documents?
Do you think it might be because they are instructed by smugglers to destroy their documents before they apply for asylum?
In the cases in which documents have been intentionally destroyed their long detention is their own fault.
You and I we're life's refugees
But like Bonnie and Clyde we're free
Don't say there's nothing between us..."
So Swedes give the US tons of crap for keeping terrorists locked up in solitary confinement, but Sweden does it to people who's only infraction was that their asylum papers were denied. Way to lead by example HYPOCRITES!!
You minimize and ridicule the real and deep suffering of people that are or have been indeed tortured by calling detention at a Swedish remand center torture.
I am no neo-Nazi or anything of the kind, all the opposite. But you seem to think that Sweden should just open its door to anyone who whishes to just come in and stay; the country has the right and obligation to its citizens to not do that, like any other country in the world, that is what sovereignty is all about and Sweden is no more or less sovereign by acting like any country does and should. If people don't like being held while their cases are been processed they can leave, go to wherever they came from or to another country, they do not have an automatic right to come in and stay. For its size Sweden is already a very generous country as far as all the immigrants and asylum seekers it takes in, this is not a free for all.
It's obvious that anyone that does not agree with you 100% and anyone that does not give you whatever you ask for has to be a neo-nazi faschist racist idiot in your opinion.
This brings me to the conclusion that your mind must be so addled that you have no concept of the meaning of the words.
You can also have no concept of the meaning of asylum or torture or you would not denigrate the efforts of genuine asylum seekers who have had to escape their countries because of the torture that they have suffered.
Each country has it's laws and customs which have been set up and tuned over the centuries to protect the needs and values of it's citizens. Strangers to those countries should expect to conform to the rules without constantly complaining that they don't like it there and if they don't like the rules go somewhere else in the first place.
Which countries bordering Sweden have asylum seekers trying to get in?
By international law they are the only ones who should be applying there(unless they arrive by air direct from the country that they need asylum from) , so anyone else is getting a bonus even being considered.
It's all very well that people want to better themselves but there are righ ways and wrong ways of doing it.
If I wanted to move to South Africa and set myself up in a diamond field, would that be allowed?
If I wanted to go to Nigeria and tap into one of the oil pipelines would that be allowed?
If I wanted to go to China and live off handouts would I be so rich that I could send for the rest of my family to live off them too?
The answer is no! So I don't choose to go to any of those countries. I stay in one where I can work and earn a living and support myself, I follow the rules and if I don't like them I work to change them through the system. If I really don't like them I even disobey a few of them, but I do expect to take the punishment when I get caught.
It's called taking responsibility for my actions not blaming everyone else because I'm not a king.
Grow up, grow your 2nd brain cell and get yourself a life!
Since when has someone entering a country illegaly not commited any crime?
It has already been decided that they shouldn't be there or they wouldn't be getting deported in the first place!" --End of Quote.
Now read your self stormysmoker, your tantrum above has no correlation with the article. And it shows that you are bais, does not understand a thing about the subject under review and are just subjective. The article is not saying Sweden should give up her soverignty, the article did not call for immigrants to invade Sweden, the article did not encourage immigrants to setup a diamond field in Sweden, or tap Swedish Oil or Gold. The article was just informational that Asylum seekers waiting for deportation are held in ISolation for over a year and that is the subject under review. Why not focus on the main point than twisting the matter, unless you are everything I think you and your cheap Neo Nazi gangs are, promugating your facist propoganda on thelocal. So one more time, you are and your i-di-o-ti-c chronies, and hate mongers can display your juvenile deliquencies all you can. But you cannot change the independent thinkers. Kids!!!!
Requesting political asylum is NOT a crime and the fact that their asylum is denied doesnt mean they should wait fro dep. in jail. You guys say that if they don't do it like that, they would stay in black, but in that case we'd have to put in jail students and averybody without a permanent r.permit too... guessing that they would stay in black when their visas finish.
Even if that was a good point, so let's keep'em in some different kind of custody, but not in jail like if they had done something "bad".
In case your brain is also too addled to recognise your own nom de plume, I addressed my last comment to you not to any genuine asylum seekers or anyone else.
I'm not having any tantrum, at nearly 50 years old I'm long past your childish games and it's also been a while since I was described as a kid!
I repeat:-
Grow up, grow your 2nd brain cell and get yourself a life!
You are right, everyone should follow the Swedish immigration model, including solitary confinement. The Swedish government can do no wrong.
If the agency then believes they may be a risk to themselves, or to others at the Migration Board's detention centres, people can be placed in a remand centre by a civil servant."
From the article above. It goes on a case by case basis, not everyone is held and of those held not all are held in a remand center. There might also be some criminals among asylum seekers.