Basic maths befuddle Swedish third graders

Sounds like a teacher education problem......here in the states, third grade teachers can't do math. That's why the are relegated to the elementary grades. The headline should have been, ' Basic maths befuddle Swedish third grade teachers.' That was found out when Calif. required a test on basic skills to get a license to teach.

It's not that the teacher don't do maths. It's that you cannot force the students to learn, cause then they will be traumatized and then the parents will complain.

Of course these children will grow in the future, become teacher, and perpetuate the chain of incompetence and idiocy.

Swedish students only play at school, but they don't learn anything cause this is the way it is here.

Agree with just a question, exactly. All play! Foreigners bringging their children here for the "So called good Education" ought to do their homework first, or they will find, like so many did, their kids lagging behind miserably! the Educational system here in theory is good, but the way methodlogy needs much improvements.

If you push any student to be better and learn more, you will only find criticism and angry parents blaming on you about what awful person and bad teacher you are.

If you're the kind of teacher that wants the students to go further and be ambitious, this is not your country.

If you consider that education means play all day long and be a clown in the hands of the students, this is your place.

May I ask.....

Is anyone a teacher who has commented on this article? I don't disagree/agree with any of the comments, as I don't have much knowledge about that level of education in Sweden, until university. Is this really the case that so many sod about and play up in class, rather than learn? Or is this just certain areas? Also compaired to other countries is it better or worse.

Good comments all!!

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What twaddle! I have two daughters, aged 6 and 7 years. They both go in the grade above their age. One is in the first grade and the other is in the second. They can both solve simple division sums and simple multiplication sums. (i.e. up to and including 10 x 10). As for addition and subtraction... they have no difficulties, even with larger numbers.

We have lived in Sweden for three years. They started in a regular Swedish school within 3 weeks of our arrival. We had no knowledge of the Swedish language. The can now both speak,read and understand Swedish. This is thanks to dedicated, hard working teachers at the school. Tack Kilbo Skolan!

How much is- ein rauber plus ein rauber?

2 rauber? Kanske!

In third grade I spent math drawing faces in all the zeros and generally zoning out. My teacher despaired and spoke to my parents about it, but you can't really force a child to take an interest in something. The harder you push, the less interesting it gets. Today I have a master's degree in engineering.

Lesson to be learned: don't put too much weight on what a child knows or doesn't know at eight or nine.

This does not sound correct to me.

My friends kids who range from 6 to mid teens are all good at mathmatics. I am helping my friends teenager wiht calculus as she has went up a grade or two.

That sounds like a highly localised problem, most likely in a Lan or Kommune.

I think the author of this story should recheck the facts, in case this is a highly localised problem in part of Sweden, due to local adminisatration problems.

All industrialized nations have these issues and problems with kids not learning the basics of any subject. Many years ago, parents in general took a personal interest and encouragement of their kids and had a hands on approach. Unfortunately, when you have big government in any country which dumbs down it's citizens by promising if you give over total allegiance to the state and sign over your soul to an outrageous tax system, we'll give you state welfare entitlements beyond your wildest dreams.

Now fast forwarding to a bunch of warped generations who've bought into that scheme of it's the governments responsibility to raise my kids and educate them, then this is what you have. Most won't remotely lift a finger anymore for there own kids, because government has taken away and drive and initiative it's citizens once had on there own in the beginning.

I am a teacher here in sweden and sadly it is true to say the educational system here is Sweden is far from perfect. I am an English woman and have been told on many occasions to lower my teaching standards as it makes the Swedish teachers look incompetent.

Whether you believe this or not is not my concern, but those of you who have children of school age know deep down they are not getting what they should for their age.

There are exceptions and if you're lucky enough to get your child in such a school you should make the most of it.

I myself have a child who is now in 2nd grade, (not the school I teach at myself I might add), and all he has done for the last 2 years is draw and play. I have had to educate him at home myself. His teacher told me at our last development talk, " your son can count to 20," he was 7½ at the time. The teacher couldn't understand why I wasn't impressed by this.

My son is lucky as I'm able to teach him at home and he has been able to read since he was 4yrs old and count to hundred since he was 5yrs old. This is not me bragging or saying my son is exceptional, he is the right level for his age.

As for the 3rd grade math national test, it is a joke. The whole thing is set around a story, (not connected to math), and the four basic math operations only come up in a few questions. Many teachers giving this test were as confused as the children.

@ survivor6901

You maybe should look for a job in Västmanlands lan. My son is 5 years old. He can count to 100 - most of the time, (in English and Swedish). He can read numbers to 99. He can recognise his own name in both long and short form and yet he is considered to need extra help because he is "coming after time". I agree, he is a little slow and needs a different method of "reaching / teaching" , but the point is... the standards you speak of, seem somewhat removed from my experience. It must be regional and I must be very fortunate to have found such a super school. Tack tack Kilbo Skolan!!!!

@ survivor6901

I think you should move to a different kommune.

Your child is being let down badly by that school. Your child deserves better.

There is also a lot of good schools in Sweden.

If you talk to other parents I think you will soon find a better school for your child.

At 7 a child should have no problem with masic mathmatics such as addition, substraction, multiplication and division. Counting he should have got past a long time ago.

That is a very bad teacher, who should not be teaching children.

Standards need to be pushed up, not dragged won to the lowest common denominator.

Suzie F- Kanske? Kanske det.. (First use of Swedish grammar, so no more, please..)

The usual problem with kids not understanding maths in such a young age is the teachers. If a teacher chooses to puzzle the kids instead of giving them straight anwsers that is a very sore point. When I was a kid I experienced that uncertainty among a lot of my teachers, and when they didn't know what was right, how could I? If teachers don't teach the kids from the start what the difference between addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division is, it can be really tough to catch up. Personally I was a victim; I still struggle with maths because I was given a sucky start.