Activists dump tonnes of coal in Vattenfall protest

Don't these idiots realise how many miles/Km the coal is going to have to be carried now to get to the power stations?

I thought we were supposed to be cutting down on food and fuel miles/Km!

They'll never save the planet from Global Warming/Cooling or whichever they decide we're going to get next, doing tricks like this!

These environmentalists have the blood of millions of people in the developing world on their hands, and view it as a virtue. The only reason we, in the West, do not suffer from Malaria anymore is due to the use of DDT (and none of their doomsday scenarios panned out here). Problems caused by DDT exist, but are minuscule compared to the benefits. Greenpeace, and groups like it, favor a reinstatement of a total ban despite the fact DDT could save over 1 million lives per year. They have said publicly that DDT can be used in some cases, but their actions dont fall into line with these statements (they persuaded India to shut down the worlds largest DDT factory). I wonder if they would be willing to look an African child dying from Malaria in the eye and tell him the technology existed to have prevented his death, but they denied it to him because their interest in feeling morally superior trumped his loss of life? I dont even know why I asked. Judging by their strict adherence to these "principles" I am sure they would get a sick satisfaction out of doing this. They are responsible for countless other polices that cost millions of lives in the third world.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/04/22/EDGKO68MID1.DTL

I hope they got hold of one of them because someone has to clean the mess, bloody lazy leftists.

I wonder where our world would be if we all had this crazy mentality, maybe will still be living in the jungle (its green afterall).

These comments are dreadful. Get with the times, people. Reagan is dead. Environmentalism is mainstream (although Greenpeace represents an extreme form), and if you are still whining about environmentalists in this current day and age, go live in a cancer village in China for a few years and see if you give a damn about the environment then. Voiceofreason, if you think environmentalists are the lazy ones, you clearly don't understand the environmental movement at all. Environmentalists believe in self-sacrifice, as opposed to self-indulgence. And if you love coal so much, I know some lovely towns and cities in China that you would be thrilled to live in.

Greenpeace rocks! Woohoo F!"#¤"# coal

You get me wrong, you don't need to be a lazy greenpeace activist to improve the use of energy resources, you only need to do the maths. Better and efficient use of resources imply more profit.

The chinese you talk about wouldn't change their habit even if you scream to high heavens, they will only wake up when they lose the competitive advantage to those nations that have more efficient plants e.g. Japan.

What I have observed about these activists is that they proffer no solutions and they lack tact and diplomacy required to change laws that's why no one listens to them.

Acts like this can only get them labeled as terrorists.

Whilst I dont agree with all the actions of Greenpeace,the way the Swedish govt turns a blind eye to how Vattenfall is tearing the countryside apart with open-pit mining in places like Poland is very sad.

Wonder if they would allow it on their own doorstep?

"Voiceofreason"… Doing the maths… look graphics of CO2 levels and average world temperature. Clearly there is a correlation between the explosive increase of both CO2 levels and temperature in the last centuries. Most scientists believe that the human activity is responsible for global warming, even if some are not convinced. That's natural, scientific community is almost never unanimous. Nevertheless there is sufficient agreement to justify radically changing our way of life. Green energy is not an option, but a necessity. The real "lazy" are those who prefer to not listen, because those who will suffer are (may be) not them, but future generations. Even with "more efficient" production, coal is still very dangerous.

Tact and diplomacy in an emergency situation? On average politicians never do rational decisions if these are not popular. It is not popular to stop consummation society and it is easier for the governments to keep people ignorant about the real danger. Therefore, activism is the only possible way. Actually I'm not confident it will work, since most of human race is full of cynics like several comments here shown.

Look, for instance, the eternal ice in Siberia, which if melting can liberate huge amounts of methane, 20 times more dangerous than CO2. This can damage the life in the planet in an irreversible way. The time to change is not in 30 years, but now.

Curious how people in developed countries claim to "believe" that people in under developed countries do what they do only for "cultural" reasons or "habit". Chinese workers live in cancer cities not because they like, but because it is their only way of survive. By the way, China should move to green energy too, as much as Europe. Sweden is only a small country, possibly not decisive in the question of global warming, but should also do his part.

Mkvgtired… It is sophism to talk about DDT when the question is about green energy or not.

What is Vatenfall doing with these plants? Are they upgrading them to recapture CO2? If they are, then they are acting responsibly.

We are not anywhere we have not been in the past. The medieval warm period as well as the little ice age are widely acknowledged by climatologists. The medieval warm period was warmer than it is today followed by a cold period. Was the spike in medieval times due to coal power plants too?

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Loehle, C. and J.H. McCulloch. 2008. Correction to: A 2000-year global temperature reconstruction based on non-tree ring proxies. Energy and Environment, 19, 93-100. (http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/AGW/Loehle/)

Antarctic Ice has been recovering and is stable.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IM...anom.south.jpg

University of Illinois

And over the past decade global temperatures have been cooling, despite the rise in CO2.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/MSUCRUCO2.jpg

Joseph D’Aleo, Fellow of the American Meteorological Society, 2009 This is a compilation of data from the most cited temperature and CO2 monitoring sources.

A report censored by the EPA because it did not fall into line with the "conventional" knowledge.

http://cei.org/news-release/2009/06/25/cei...dy-censored-epa

Remember every government agency's sole goal is perpetual existence. Here are the emails from a higher up at the EPA telling the scientist that his "comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision"

http://www.poligazette.com/2009/10/23/epa-...eptics-correct/

In the past didn't scientists debate facts to come to a conclusion. Now all I see are government funded scientists (gov agencies, the UN, Universities receiving government funds, etc) belittling any scientist that brings contradicting evidence to the table. Scientists from leading global institutions have published reports that are not only shunned by the government funded scientists, the government funded scientists launch personal attacks against the researchers that do not agree with them. Do you really want to trust a bunch of people who can't even engage in a debate about conflicting scientific points of view with trillions of dollars of taxpayer money?

I was referring to Greenpeace in general. If you remember the article stated they were Greenpeace activists. I agree we need to cut back our energy imports/use. The truth is oil spills do occur, and there is very strong consensus they damage the environment. It is also proven that other toxins in industrial and consumer (including auto) waste and emissions are harmful to people. Also, the West receives most of our energy from sources hostile to our interests. These above factors in themselves give us strong incentives to become energy independent. That being said we need to find a way to achieve this without crippling our economy. The climate treaty being proposed in Copenhagen will not benefit anyone in the West.

Who said Greenpeace is not part and parcel of the extreme, anarchic, left? Here's proof positive that these aaaaaactivists, are nothing more than glorified communists, out to destroy organized society. Defeat the Sahliness and her minions in 2010! PS: Some of you above have to learn to write shorter blurbs. Seven lines or less, or I won't read it. This forum is not for epic dissertations.