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Geely Automobile's confirmed bid for Volvo is evidence of China's growing economic clout, but the company will face the tough challenge of ensuring the Swedish brand's reputation for safety, analysts say.
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Nothing kills a quality brand than Chinese ownership.
what does Sino mean?
what's the meaning of using this word?
No one really understand Chinese Government here, it is not Geely buying Volvo here, it is actually Chinese Government buying it and you know what Chinese Government hate doing the most? Lose face. Especially when it's such a deal with international influence. So I guess Chinese government will do whatever it takes to make this acquisition success in the future. They may got some problems on the way but they gonna get over it. Chinese government are so good at dealing with this kind of issue when it draws attention from all over the world
If the purchase goes ahead, some kind of conditional clause should be demanded.
Volvo RIP.
The irony of this and many declines of truly great automotive marques is that the very business model that has made them rich will ultimately cause their destruction.
It is no mystery that large corporations are actively engaged in destroying the competition and if you offer a substandard product you will lose market share to the quality brands. Small companies regardless of the value of their product will be run out of business by the larger competitors. We as consumers must demand more yet until we do we will be doomed to accept a steadily declining standard of living for the working class.
The automobile as we know it and the culture that surrounds it is in for a radical change. Those companies that move to adapt the most rapidly will be the ones who succeed.
Well actually the argument of scale does not hold water - the large companies haven't done too well recently - GM, Chrysler and Ford could not sustain a large business model and will rescale or die. 10 years ago everyone thought you had to be producing millions of cars to make a profit but last year the most profitable car company was Porsche with a mere 85,000.
Anyway the fact remains I would not want to work for a bunch of savages who wouldn't notice if you put square wheels on a car.
Sino means China... from the Late Latin phrase "Sinæ," plural for Chinese.
I used it coupled with the dollar to denote that all state-sponsored companies in China are flush with US dollars. The phrase Petro-dollars was a phrase commonly used when discussing large purchases of commercial interests by Saudi Arabia in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
Hopefully China Inc. will protect this brand but quality control is not something that Chinese manufacturers are widely known for... maybe they are buying Volvo to change this image.
So now your personal observations of "more Volvo cars on the road" trump the financial reports which say Volvo has been losing money for a long time?
Priceless.
Well, in Europe, all imported products from China have been strictly supervised during production processes and examined by your beloved EU, which means these imported products have met all the quality requirements set by EU. So If you still think that the Chinese-made products you are currently using have serious quality problem, then you should turn to EU and blame them for duty negligence, rather than poor China.
Now lets just ask why so many folks consistently buy Chinese-made rather than the quality famed German products? Yeah, the reason is cheap. You buy is because you can afford it, as we say you get what you pay for. So the term "low quality Chinese product" could be the result by comprising with, i.e German made goods. But you would like to buy a qualified product with reasonable price rather than excellent quality with a price that's far beyond your purchase ability, it is true.
If you are still asking why so many fkig Chinese products here? Then just go and ask HM, IKEA, Volvo, Dell........ and don't forget to criticize and force them to draw back all their factories, and of cos you may by chance win a job opportunity :-)
For this case I am not sure how the Volvo's destiny will be, since Ford abandon it and no other entities would like to give a glance, I am not surprising if it will be dead forever some day under the hand of Geely. But what else would you observers who never buy Volvo before and now expect for? Just make complaint here and share worries with your dearest Swedes.
"Can Geely-Volvo form one family?
Can jobs in Sweden remain after Chinese take-over?
Can productions in Sweden be increased (instead of being decreased) in the future?
Can jobs in Sweden be increased (instead of being decreased) in the future?
Can design and R&D remain Swedish?
Can a 18-year old inexperienced Chinese bachelor go out with a 28-year old experienced Swedish bondin with a divorce behind her?
Geely is an extremely junior player compared with Volvo. But there is reason to say YES to each of the above questions if a future-oriented analysis is given. Most people see Volvo-Geely deal as a zero-sum game. Indeed, Geely is a very junior player compared with Volvo. Geely needs help. But I also believe there exists room for a win-win solution for all. I see enormous opportunities for Volvo car in the future. Some people say OK but still worry about ten years from now. I would like to say that in ten years time, more and more Swedish blondin will elbow each other to go out with Chinese boys simply becuase the nightlife is more exciting out there than here. The Swedish blondin will very soon understand why her Chinese boyfriend who could be so advanced as to rocket people to outerspace could not produce a good car in the past; he simply didn't have a focus on her... Now with the blondin in bed and in arm and in love, the Chinese boyfriend will concentrate from now on. In ten years time, the Chinese boy (then a 28-year old man) will take his Swedish girlfriend to travel the world and conquer the world, be it in China, Asia, Europe, Latin America, Australia or Africa."
THIS IS INDEED A VERY GOOD AND INSPRING ARTICLE.
But there's one important arguement missing is that:
Will the world audience takes this couple serious? or is it better for the Swedish girl to play alone? The previous marriage with the American boy at least didn't create any "psychic distance" culturally speaking. Chinese boy can buy off the blondin but will it last long? Will the consumer still take Volvo as a bench mark for quality and safety?
The brand image comes with the concept of the cultural attractiveness. Being Swedish and American both represent a cool clique (The swedish blondin and the Texas cowboy). But how can China build on the legacy quality and trustworthiness?
"The brand image comes with the concept of the cultural attractiveness". But the question is: who you wish to buy it that will make Volvo surrive.The answer is clear, the attractiveness is not enough to surrive Volvo employment and competition.Volvo needs a new life.
When companies get too large they can often lose their way and it seems some members of the Auto industry are a good example of this.
Yes you are right Porsche is owned by VW but this has nothing whatsoever to do with the profitability of each Porsche sold.
In fact the Porsche / VW saga is a little complicated as originally Porsche set out to buy VW - it borrowed heavily to gain a controlling share in the VW. When it reached a 51% stake the credit crunch hit and Porsche failed to raise the funds required to reach the 75% required by law. As such the Porsche CEO and CFO fell on their swords and in a reversal of fortunes Porsche was bought by VW.. So I would not say that this was a typical or even planned from the outset.
In fact it is a general trend, countries embracing left-liberal ideology fail and countries that are capitalistic win. Examples are Japan, China, Singapore & Taiwan
The pattern is even clearer if you look at countries that change ideology.
China under communism = fail
China under capitalism = win
North Korea under communism = fail
South Korea under capitalism = win
India used to be very socialist and very poor
Now it is a bit capitalistic it has a huge middle class
Of course to a true believer of left-liberal ideology they are losing because of evil capitalists. There is no proof but true believers don't need proof.
Ask yourself who writes the Volvo Cars financial reports. FORD. It is surprising how Volvo did OK in Sweden and on international markets before FORD bought it. Can you explain why Volvo is losing money after being bought by FORD ? GM destroyed Saab and FORD is just about to do the same with Volvo. I only hope the non Chinese bidders will try again.
You are a really fancy word manipulator... B ut you are only 50% correct. The brand image comes also with the concept of quality, not only cultural attractiveness. This is why Porsche, Audi and BMW are surviving the financial crisis much better than the US car manufacturers. Volvo will do OK if it gets rid of Odell, and FORD, who gave him the CEO job at Volvo....
Quality is not cheap to maintain. When you are so blinded with the quick profits of volume sales you will need to become attractive to a larger portion of the population. Meaning, those less able to afford the quality, so the quality has to go...
To cover it up, you add a lot of pretty trinkets, bells and whistles, but only the cheap ones of course. The old addage: you get what you pay for applies in this case. They even managed to sink their own flagship, the Mustang by applying this same ill-conceived volume strategy. The simple reason why Porsche, Audi and BMW did well is that they didn't go down that line, but steadfastly held on to their original priorities.
It's not the size of the US automakers that created their downfall, it was their stupidity. Someone came up with the grand idea that they should sell a lot of cars at lower prices, and everyone else jumped on the bandwagon. Most, I suspect didn't bother to try to gauge the temperature of the customer base and figure out what they really wanted. When you stop asking your customers what they really want, you're creating your own demise.
Geely may even by some miracle manage to maintain the quality - which actually means improving it back to real Volvo standards pre-Ford, even more difficult. But even if they manage, the IMAGE the customers have of the new Volvo owners will undermine their efforts. It will take years of continuously proving that they indeed can maintain the quality level for the customers to start timidly coming back. No company can wait that long to start making a profit.
If they're smart, which I am pretty sure they are, they won't even try. They'll buy the company to get the technology and either let it die or completely change the brand into a budget transport.
Either way, Volvo is done with.
I remember the same gripes and critisisms of Japanese cars back in the 70's. Well guess who is kicking a$$ in the automotive world??? I wouldnt be suprised that in 10-15 years there will be Chinese auto plants built among the hillbillies of Tennessee and Georgia... next to the Fiat plants :)
Sweden just doesnt have a big enough market to support a car company, much less 2, its no fault of their own. Just like Eriksson teamed with Sony, to be a world player you cant be just a Swedish player. When I first started travelling to Sweden in the 70's you saw 2 brands on every road, Volvo and Saab, now you see 3x the number of brands that are available in the states.
The Chinese will be the first out with a plug in hybrid. If they slap a Volvo badge on it then the better for Volvo (who ignored small high mileage cars). This is a win-win for Volvo to become a mass market car and Saab to become a niche specialty car.
If you are a "real" texan, I doubt you will ever buy a Volvo hybrid made in China...As to the comfortably communist China..have you read the papers some month ago about the "comfortably communist" provinces Xinjiang and Tibet ? A lot of social unrest there...Hardly a sign of comfort. As to democracy, it had its ups and downs since Athens, but somehow it survived. Communim will never survive for too long in any part of the world, including China. People kind of like to be free.
The argument that Sweden isn't large enough to support two car companies makes no sense. Not all Volvos and Saabs have to be sold in Sweden, as evidenced by the fact that the U.S. is the largest market for Volvos in the world. And the world is certainly large enough to support two Swedish brands.
Even if the Chinese are the first with a plug in hybrid, which they might not be, that doesn't mean they'll make the best plug in hybrid. And to "slap a Volvo badge on it" would absolutely not be better for Volvo, it would in fact be a catastrophe. Because when that Chinese made plug in hybrid branded as a Volvo is crash tested, it will immediately destroy the brand image Volvo has worked for over the past 80+ years.
Additionally, Volvo in no way ignored small high mileage cars. Their DrivE series of cars are among the most fuel efficient in Europe The S40 and C30 (if not the V50 too) are listed as 2 of the most fuel efficient cars currently on sale in Europe. And their carbon emissions are as low or lower than most hybrid vehicles, without the cost or environmental destruction associated with a huge battery.
For China, it seems you know so little. You are using an old language to describe a far changing country.Your words have little value when talk to people in China.
Many western countres are less perfect than they were; China is much better than you thought.Go and see.
They know nothing about China. It is obvious by there words.
GM has stripped every patent out of Volvo. I wish someone would name the source that keeps claiming they have patents in Volvo. There is none, GM bought Volvo and integrated Volvo's patents directly into its patent bank.
Geely knows it will be buying only a brand name and a production line.
Regarding China. I see there is the usual completely misinformed comments about the subject.
In China they are training not hundreds or thousands of scientists, but tens of thousands of scientists at the best universities in every single country. I have a feeling it may be an even higher figure.
In every city I have been to in Europe, I have seen Chinese students who are studying for degrees. They are mostly studying sciences and engineering. Contrary to what most think, it is only a minority of them who study banking, politics, psychology and other nonsense. The majority are in industrial areas.
Check out any university materials science, engineering, genetics, physics, mathmatics or biochemistry department in a univeristy. You will see them there.
Contrary to what the self opinionated in west think they know about China, they have serious know how.
China has very good, innovative engineers and scientists. They are training scientists and engineers in the tens of thousands.
They are building well funded, massive research institutes, in every area of science.
A suggestion for you all, who think you know anything about China.
Goto the Centre of Shanghai to the biggest skyscraper you can find. Talk them into letting you take pictures as a panoramic from the top of the building. Compare it with New York.
Your eyes will tell you everything you need to know.
Check out the Maglev in China while there.
China is no longer a third world country. We in the west will probably be the third world in the next century compared to them.
We are training, bankers, lawyers and psychiatrists. We have our priorities wrong. We need scientists and engineers.
We are complacent. We are standing still.
We need to wake up and realise we are being left behind, not the other way around.
Ten to twenty years from now we will see commentators asking why we are suddenly so far behind them that all we can see is dust from them flying past us.
That country is changing so fast, it is impossible to keep up with it.
I am sure some idiot here will try to say it is a facade or they are still far behind. Believe what you want, as China will prove you wrong with there actions.
China is going to become richer than the USA in my lifetime and significantly more powerful.
The world is changing.
We in Europe need to integrate more and act as one on the world stage, otherwise risk becoming irrelevant.
The old ideas of Atlantic alliance are irrelevant and dead, it is just no one has realised that yet.
Volvo Cars was bought by Ford, not GM.
You are great and know everything better than the idiotic analysts. But have a look at comment #31...Just a slip of your finger on the PC keybord, right...?
As to China, I am afraid it is still a third world country, and will remain so as long as communism prevails there.
I've seen several cities and many factories in China with my own eyes. It is _exceedingly_ difficult for someone who has not been there recently to imagine the scale of China's industrial might.
Don't be fools. Nemesis may be stating the case in an abrasive manner, but what he says is quite true. When you visit the industrial areas of China, you cannot but be shocked at how far China has come in so short a time. Twenty years ago Shenzhen was just a dream. Today it's a reality.
I would encourage anyone who has never been there, anyone who imagines that China is still a third world country to look up the cities of the Pearl River Delta. Wikipedia is a good place to start.
Clear your heads of delusion. China, the sleeping dragon, has awoken.