February 9, 2010
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Classroom warfare has erupted in Sweden as conservative commentators are appalled by what they view as a "try everything" approach to sex education in the nation's schools, writes The Local's Christine Demsteader.
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It's just that when you lie to your kid, or withhold information that will probably prevent them from making good decisions for themselves or enjoying their lives, there is a qualified teacher at school who will do that for you.
This is because your kid is not your goddamn pet, and you can't tell them that masturbation causes blindness and then cry about it when someone else tells them the truth.
More power to the Swedish school system and Johnson's "No More Tears" for all the crying bitter religious nuts and militant conservatives (i.e. shiraz who fails at sarcasm).
Good catch 'nevon' at the sarcasm. But I have a harder time with non-parents who act like they really know more about kids and have such strong opinions about raising them without any real life experience.
I always consider myself as an open, democratic, nothing-is-taboo kind of parents, but I gotta admit too that sometimes the age gap between parents and children makes something is quite impossible to be talked openly. Not necessarily from my side as the parent, but think teenagers in their midst of raging hormonal cycle, where basically everything from the parent's mouth is just wrong in their ears, then you know my point is.
As parent, I think the basic function that I gotta do is to give my children all the knowledges and informations that relates to life, and let them makes their decisions themselves based on that. So, I don't mind having someone more qualified, and - more importantly - more "age-compatible" to pass that knowledge to my children. I always believe that in the right time, my children will be willing to talk about it openly with me, but until that time comes, there should be someone that pass these "sexual ed" messages to him. Because sexual education is really important, especially for young people, so they can make decisions wisely.
Having said all of that, I think Sweden's view of sexual education is really ahead of this time, compared to most other nations in this planet. Good job Sweden!
I am sorry I was not being sarcastic. I think Sweden is doing a very courageous experiment and I hope it pays off for the country and for the world. I hope that they are a light to the world. Why would I be sarcastic about this? But its not about me. I think Sweden is doing a good thing. I wish I was the recipient of a straightforward and earnest and understandable education. I and everyone else needs to know about their bodies and how it functions and we need to do it in a scientific and non superstitious way. I am sorry if I offend anyone in saying that. I am mostly wrong.
I would like to express that at no time wanted to question the sexual education
in Sweden. Only I was surprised because the system is not new, the original text the process of sex education began in 1956. Therefore, there are generations of parents and even grandparents who went through the Swedish sex education, and yet the process has informationless.Então this whole process has not formed adults who have conditions going into their children and grandchildren information on sex education? Children really need to have the information to their physical and mental.O process can not close the link between parents, grandparents and their rulers, the question remains: the enchanted world with the courage of Sweden to adopt the only efficient method some respects, but not effective for most of humanity. But either way God sees Sweden without any sarcasm characteristic of the human race. I am sorry if offend anyone too.
The clitoris is 2 3/4 - 4 inches long in Sweden? Are all the women on steroids and testosterone over there? How do they walk around with those things dangling like that? My grandparents were from Sweden, and rest assured monster clit syndrome was never discussed in my family.
About the clitoris thing: look at some anatomy drawings. Most of the clitoris, just like the penis, is inside the body and not visible without a scalpel or other cutting instrument (I can't recommend this. I know if I cut my girlfriend's vulva to see her clitoris, she'd be quite angry indeed.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoris has some nice drawings, which will spare your wives and girlfriends much pain.
As for the sex education teaching. This is very good.
We need that in Ireland north and South for not only the pupils but for the parents as well. In fact I think this should be rolled out all over Europe and made compulsory.
This type of teaching will help wipe way ignorance and shame about sex and allow young people to safely explore there own bodies in knowledge of what they are doing.
Well done to the Swedish schools for this.
I'd like to know what part of Canada it is where you received this kind of "sex education". I'll guess somewhere in the rural prairies? Or were you part of the Catholic school system?
I hope that on top of that they're also teaching the children real facts about STDs and pregnancy.
How they're increasing in numbers and can be very serious, they should show graphic pictures of what warts, herpes, etc. look like on male and female parts. It might change the attitude of children thinking it's funny to get a STD, like that sad article in the local a couple months ago. :(
Most importantly, they need to teach children to respect themselves and don't have sex before they're ready or with a partner that doesn't respect them. Don't just do it because your friends are or because you see it in the media. Don't do it because someone is pressuring you. Give young boys and girls the strength and self confidence to tell someone to p#ss off if they only want to be with them for sex.
Tell them that if they wait until they're read. You don't have to be in love, but make sure you like and respect the person and that the feeling is mutual and they'll have a much more positive experience.
Maybe because kids that age don't know the technical terms but know the slangs. So, it makes sense to use terminology they understand. If you start throwing around the technical biological terms they'll feel like you're just preaching down to them. Also, this is a little off the subject but a good analogy, I remember my folks told me to stay away from drugs when I was a kid but they never told me what drugs were. I had friends in junior high who were smoking weed but I didn't know they were "doing drugs" because my ignorant religious parents never bothered to tell me that weed was a drug or what it looked like. This is a prime example of incomplete knowledge. I didn't smoke with my friends by the way, but not because I was trying to stay away from drugs. It was simply coincidence that I avoided what I later found out to be a drug. Just so there's no misunderstanding though, I'm not against marijuana, I just don't have any interest in it. The point is, even if my folks had told me to stay away from canabis sativa because it's a drug I wouldn't have known that meant weed unless someone had told me. For now, kids don't need to know the technical terms for male and female anatomy, they're not med students. Besides, would someone really ask their partner, "Can I lick your labia majora and clitoral hood while massaging your urethral sponge?" My guess would be no, unless he/she is joking. You have to not only give them information, but also make sure it's useful information.
Family vs. society is a balancing act. If a parent wants their child to withdraw from a class then they should be able to. How can we expect parents to have the responsibility to raise a child but then take away that responsibility?
Individuality, family unit, then government by the people. If you mess with that order, eventually you tend to ruin things....
This teaching style also takes away the intimacy of sex. They really did make it seem like a hobby, like playing soccer, instead of being the most intimate thing you can do with another person. It cheapened the whole experience for me, and I regret not skipping those classes.
Looking back, I would rather have asked my parents for this sort of information, because they have a relationship with me, and won't treat my questions as if they were nothing, as if they were directions to the bus stop. As a parent, I plan to be as open as possible with my kids about sex, telling them that if they are brave enough to ask, I will answer whatever questions they have.
As for the school making it harder for the parents to take kids out of classes... that's ridiculous. Who exactly is raising these kids? Who has to go to work to provide for them? Who has to make sure they have everything they need? It's the parents who are directly responsible for all that, why all of a sudden can they not choose what their kids learn in school?
Well if they already know the slang, then it is time to learn the correct terms. This is supposed to be about education, knowledge and empowerment. For example, ghetto slang is not taught in school; correct grammer (ideally) is taught. Sex education class should be more about form, function and potential repercussions, not a springboard for a sex party.
The point is taken though about the sex talk though. Thanks for the laugh.
It sounds like there might be a middle ground here in Sweden regarding the presentation of sex education. Victorian ideals rarely exist here, but at the same time a little propriety might be nice.
I would say it is practically there!
Some say we should teach by providing knowledge and not be in the business of teaching values. It strikes me there is plently of value being attached to this "so called" provision of knowledge - hence the perception it's "filth".
Secondly, knowledge does not make you do things, it prepares you for things. I am concerned with the naivety of some comments here. Some kids going through puberty will try sexual contact irrespective of what you do or do not tell them. The best you can do is make sure that all teenagers have all the information necessary so they can 'navigate' this tricky stage of life.
What you say makes perfect sense to me. With such attitudes in Sweden, it does not suprise one to also understand why divorce rates are high as well as the percentage of those living alone.......no one trusts each other anymore.
It seems the system is promoting a further development of this situation.........so that in the furture you may well end up with broken society. Good luck with your experiment Sweden!
On another note, I don't know how comfortable I'd be with having my child taught about anal in highschool...seems a little odd. But I'm American and repressed by nature. :(
Viva La Sverige!!
I think what Swedish teachers should do is to improve the way Swedish people convey the message of sex. Teachers should not only talk about it in a correct way cos sex is no joke at all, but also put themselves in students' shoes. Teachers can use some slang during the lesson cos students can easily understnad. But meanwhile, students shouldn't take sex too lightly.
Sometimes sexual desire isn't easily controlled. And I know it very well cos I did watch too much porn stuff when I was sexually aroused. But at the end of the day, it is a very bad thing in my life. So sex education should in no way be delayed! Time for sex education.
How can someone be so freaking stupid?!
There's nothing wrong with oral and anal sex as long as it's done in a safe way between consenting adults.
You're also need education about the clitoris, yes it's that long on all women naturally, most of it is inside the woman's body. Swedish women don't have long things hanging off the front of them like a man if that's what you're thinking.
As far as your Somalian girls having cute little ones, you're sick. Genital mutiliation is common pratice there and is horrible. They have "little ones" because they're cut off to prevent women from enjoying sex and to control them.
Practice:
The most common form of female genital mutilation (FGM) or female genital cutting (FGC) practiced in
Somalia is Type III (commonly referred to as infibulation and in Somalia, the "Pharaonic circumcision").
Eighty percent of all genital procedures for women and girls consist of this form which is the most harmful
form. The less radical or Type I (commonly referred to as clitoridectomy and in Somalia sometimes called
"sunna") is practiced mainly in the coastal towns of Mogadishu, Brava, Merca and Kismayu. The
procedures leave a lifetime of physical suffering for the women.
Type III is the excision (removal) of part or all of the external genitalia (clitoris, labia minora and labia
majora) and stitching or narrowing of the vaginal opening, leaving a very small opening, about the size of a
matchstick, to allow for the flow of urine and menstrual blood. The girl or woman's legs are generally bound
together from the hip to the ankle so she remains immobile for approximately 40 days to allow for the
formation of scar tissue.
Hey dude, how about having a third thought and a couple more if necessary before you comment
That homosexual men average a lifespan of around 42 years, lesbians around 49? Cameron, Playfair, Wellum, " The Longevity of Homosexuals: Before and After the AIDS Epidemic, " Omega Journal of Death and Dying," 1994
That STD's obtained in teenage years often eliminate the possiblity of having children at all. PID, madness, death are some of the "side effects" of promiscuous behaviour.
I'll guarantee that none of the realities of sex's consequences are being taught, only techniques and those often without the realities of the damage factors (eg. permanent ripping of tissue from the idiotic pracitce of anal sex, bleeding to death from fisting etc.).
@Kaethar: I was the least popular kid in my class (I was the "invandrare"), and also the class nun at the time. I didn't hang out with my classmates all that much, just not my kind of people. The reason I know it made them all more promiscuious is because every monday morning at our lockers there'd be talk about which technique they tried over the weekend and which worked best. But I do agree with you about the company... if a couple start like that, very soon everyone joins in.
Well, I guess sometimes growing up in the Netherlands is better than in Sweden... ;-)
Another example of the trial-and-error approach to everything in life, no one really knows the consequences of this thing nowadays called school. could be good could be bad. but probably will increase depression amongst all day by day.
Thankfully we missed the anal tips...
I prefer building a good relationship with my child, talking about the subject openly as soon as she reaches puberty. And moving out of Sweden before she does:)"
Totally agree with Authentica. I think most Swedish parents find it easier to let schools do what they should do themselves: teach their children to respect and take care of their bodies.
An excerpt from a "contraversiel articale I stumbled upon.
I was raised by two alcoholic parents. My father was a violent and rageful man. I developed an intense hatred for men, and determined in my heart I would never let a man get close to me. I was also sexually abused as a child - which only reinforced my feelings of hatred. Because my Mother was a victim of my father's violence, I became her protector and caretaker. "Mom," I vowed, "I hate it that you are weak, clingy, and powerless. I will have nothing to do with womanhood."
Other factors contributing to male or female homosexuality may include:
* a father who, having wanted but failed to get a son, treats his daughter as a boy;
* a mother who favors a "more feminine" daughter over one who is "tomboyish" or a father who favors a "more masculine" son over one he perceives as too sensitive;
* a mother who over-protects or "Smothers" her son, possibly competing with the father for the son's love;
* the combination of a weak father, who does not draw his son into the world of men and masculinity, with a domineering mother who draws the son into her world;
* the work-addicted or television-addicted parent who is just "too busy" to spend time with a child;
* alcoholism in one or both parents, especially when this leads to emotional neglect of the children;
* parents who are hostile to each other and constantly fighting, so that their children learn to fear marriage and the heterosexual patterns leading to it.
In fairness it should be said that parents are not always at fault, or they may be only minimally at fault. Sometimes a father's rejection of his son is perceived rather than real; for example, if the father is working overseas while the son is very small, the little boy may have no male role model and may be smothered by female relatives. Sometimes simple bad luck plays a role, bringing together several unfavorable circumstances. Any single one might not have mattered too much, but the combination can be powerful.
How can the homosexual condition be prevented? Parents might study the list above to see how a dysfunctional, unhappy family lives - and do the opposite. Positively speaking, parents should give added attention to the way each child relates to the same-sex parent. A child is likely to have a normal sexual disposition when the parents have a happy marriage and when they give much love to all of their children, never favoring one over another but recognizing and encouraging the special gifts of each. In a large family, it is important to avoid neglecting older children as younger, cuter, and more demanding ones come along.
Are we taught this in school? NOT. And then why take time to praise "regressive behaviour and glorify promiscuity.
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