February 14, 2012
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Curiosity is the most effective weapon against xenophobia, writes journalist and head of think tank FORES Martin Ådahl, as a comment on the Sweden Democrats’ future role in Swedish politics.
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This is the first truly sensible article I have read in the Local. This is the minimum standard the Local should aim for.
In my family, my father had to move from Ireland which was in effect a third world country in the 1950's to Scotland for employment, where he met my mother. That is how my brothers and i came into existance. Both my parents came from a different country and were a different religeon, yet are still happily married today.
Both my parents families have similarities.
Both are at least partically descended from Vikings, Normans, French, German, English, Irish and modern day Scandinavian.
Both look in horror at the recent rise of the right wing.
Both my mother and father's families lost family fighting the nazi's in World War 2.
On my mother's side of the family, we now think we have found the last of our war dead from World War 2, although we have to have that confirmed.
On my father's side we still have one more of my great uncle's to locate, but think we are now on the trail, after 70 years.
All were soldiers who died in combat.
We had next to no help from the British Ministry of Defense, an organisation for which I no longer have respect for, due to there indifference to there own past soldiers. Phoning them for help, just increased our phone bill.We did get help from French, American, Serbian and German military, who all helped us tracking down our dead. I was really shocked at how much the Germans pulled out all the stops to help us. I will not get into how annoyed I am at the UK government for treating its past soldiers like dirt to be discarded.
The reason I bring that up is this. Tens of millions died fighting Nazism and Fascism. Almost every family in Europe suffered in some way, no matter what side they were on.
The question I have started to ask a lot recently is this.
Do we really want to go there again?
Some Swedish fought in that war against the Russians for Finland in the Winter war. Some helped Norwegians fight the Germans. Some fought for the Germans. Some sheltered jews from the Nazi's who the Danish made sure escaped from Denmark to Sweden.
Sweden was not in the war. It was no occupied. IUt did not have armies fight on its soil. The majority of Swedes stayed out of the War.
If the Swedish had been in that war, would they be as Zenophobic or complacent as they are now?
Jaha, but do not forget to mention that in order to be accepted as an immigrant in Canada (Australia and NZ) one have to cumulate points. Points are given for education, age, profession, finances and the language is a must before one even thinks to apply. Smartly done, good outcome. Is it the same in Sweden?
"every attempt to placate the xenophobes has simply served to strengthen the extremists."
What a fresh perspective. Blame the native Swedes (or French, British, German, Italian, et. al.) for the refusal to integrate. For those that are 100% against immigration I would like to point out the doctors referenced in this piece as evidence that immigration can be, and usually is, a net benefit to a nation.
That being said, this is similar to almost every immigration piece throughout European media outlets. There is an increase in populations living in French ghettos, the problem is French xenophobia. Crime by immigrants is increasing in the UK, must be British racism. Ethnic neighborhoods are isolating themselves in Germany, native Germans must not want Turkish neighbors. Enough is enough. Europe offers many more opportunities for advancement than virtually all of the native countries these immigrants came from. Stop blaming yourselves. Adopt a zero tolerance crime policy (you are convicted of a crime, you are deported immediately if you are not a full citizen). And explain that in Europe you are not allowed to drown your sister for wearing an evening dress. Lay out ground rules for how things are done and if they dont like it tell them they are free to leave.
I don't believe in xenophobia and support cultural understanding but the ideas you expressed would lead to total population replacement. There would be no you nor your country. I am wording this strongly to be clear....the dangers are real.......
Unfortunately here in Sweden many people still do not respect nor see immigrants or their offspring who are born in the country as being Swede. To combat this I believe like in Canada, be proud of your history and love the place you live in. To love the place your in you need to be respected and treated like an equal Citizen.
I can tell you out of my own experiances I have been told on may occasions to "gå hem" why such hate. I think the Swedish government needs to implement some sort of culture class for the next generation of Swedes to know that differences are not something to be scared of but what can make a country great for all who live in it. To be different is to be unique, and to have a unique population of individuals all contributing in different ways make a country stronger.
If the immigrant agrees with the basic premises of his new country, seeks to become a Swede and adds Swedish culture to his own, that immigrant will be an asset. The things the immigrant brings with him will enrich Swedish society.
That is what I think the writer's father did.
However, if the immigrant refuses to adopt Swedish language and custom, and seeks to wall himself and his family off from mainstream society, that immigrant will cause problems for the host country.
The ideal is not to become a brown or black Swede, throwing away the family's heritage, but to accept the premises that made Sweden attractive in the first place, and contribute to its further evolution.
A society that never changes is dead, but it is a mistake to throw away everything that made Sweden what it is today. There must be something good about it, or nobody would want to move there.
A recent poll by Gallup shows that about 700 million people around the world would like to permanently migrate to another country.
The most popular destinations are North America and Europe.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124028/700-Million-Worldwide-Desire-Migrate-Permanently.aspx
Without the border controls that the xenophobes request there could be literally hundreds of millions of people migrating into Europe, the US and Canada.
It's possible that, in the future, Sweden would no longer have an ethnically Swedish majority unless anti-immigration laws are introduced and enforced.
While it's great to experience different cultures I don't think it's positive to allow numbers that are so large that the immigrants and their descendants may eventually outnumber the native people.
You also are scared of immigrants , I think. Why do you want them to integrate and become Swede? Can't you let them have their own identity and at the same time bring development. It's possible.
Look at Canada, America.
You are still too young Swedes !
The article was however sensible.
Immigrants shuld learn how to behave ...etc.n wat does the swede learn frm an immigrant.....ohhh
he is too low of value....his culture is backward...is tht wat the swede thinks....well yes!
The question is:y shuld an immigrant leave everything tht he knws to enter a differnet country...n wen he does....the question is:
does he still face discrimination......well no if his deception is good enough(white n blonde,an nordic name to bak)!!
The swede society has a long way to reach perfection!
......n ohhh the poor swede..... his perfect society means.....a xenophobic society,lonely,pretentious,hyppocrite,DOUBLE FACED,isolated,technology,divorced life, copying USA- going to miami beach,going to australia for internship.....n blaming all bad on immigrants,comparing bw danish,norwegian, rest of the EU remains pathetic,east eu always hated n clever fun,islamphobic!
This was the only aticle ever considered a point of reasoning for me in Sweden,although things are not always the same as its use to be in time of old,being a refugee in Sweden make me feel unwanted,but as time goes on I overcome this stress,I could remember the way we welcome The europeans in My country as mini gods from paradise,there is a saying in my languge that its better to see a white man in the morning when giong to farm than to see a black cat,but since I came here,honestly Its better to see a black cat,we are not just welcomed,Those that are welcomed,which I wolud not like to mentioned,are just socialy handicaped like the Swedes,but with time I hope they will see
En mycket bra poäng
In Canada "multi-culturalism" was a naturally occuring process. In Sweden it has been more or less recently thrust on the population without a consensus.
Canada seems to be more selective with immigrants. Canada definately wants people who will be successful and eventually integrate into the mainstream society. That's why they'll fast track immigrants who have money to open a business or have needed job skills. Sweden has been far less successful in this regard from what I understand. Canada does take in refugees, but not in as high a % as does Sweden. Even then, Canada tends to accept the best educated refugees. Sweden seems to be trying to play "mother to the world" in their refugee policies. Canada is more realistic.
Even immigrants going to other Euro countries such as France or the UK are usually from former colonies and are at least familiar with the home land language and culture. In contrast, Sweden has no history of colonialism and who in the rest of the world speaks Swedish?
Sweden is allowing immigrants in some cases that come from societies that are a 100% reversal from Sweden's position on issues such as women's rights, secularism, etc. How are these people ever going to be integrated successfully into mainstream Swedish society and at what cost?
Canada lets in educated class immigrants. As great as Canada is they aren't letting in the ammount of refugees as Sweden. You can hardly compare.
Nazi's were socialists.
I didn't know the word Xenophobia till I tried to describe Swedish people.
There is nothing new with anxiety of immigration. It's just that the many who feel fear or aggrivation (dubbed racists or far right wing) are the ones who don't feel comfortable walking the streets or may have been abused by them. It's another thing to have a supportive family structure and the possibilities to not deal with the problems that come from large consentrations of different groups of people.
The fact is this, If you are so open to other races and cultures then go to Rinkeby and buy an apartment near the T-bana on the ground floor. Or move to Capetown, South Africa and live in the black area. There is nothing wrong with other races or cultures it's just that they bring problems that most of "you" don't have to deal with. If that's you in the picture then I'd love to see you come to where I grew up. You'd sooooo get your ass kicked for being such a cute little whiteboy.
And honestly, I understand how people have problems with uneducated/unskilled economic migrants coming over, but no decent human being can have a problem with a completely uneducated refugee with no skills being let into Sweden when the alternative is having his left hand cut off with a machete back home. Some perspective, please.
You are correct. Canada does take in more refugees than Sweden. So does a lot of other countries with Pakistan topping the list. These stats are quite interesting.
http://www.irr.org.uk/statistics/refugees.html
I think it's too late. And it's not racist or xenophobic to pint out realities. It's being a realist. So sad to see this happening.
What are you, 12? Stupid? BLIND? Can't you see at least one of the four glaring logical fallacies and/or factual inaccuracies in that argument?
Sadly, in the end when a useful idiot is no longer useful, he is purged...
Look at what Hafizullah Amin did to Nur Muhammad Taraki and then what Babrak Karmal did to Amin, in Afghanistan, in the 1970s-1980s... The Soviets got rid of Taraki after putting him into power, then they put Amin into power, then they got rid of Amin, then they put Babrak Karmal into power... Once a useful idiot is no longer useful, he generally winds up dead. He knows too much and he cannot be trusted because he turned on his own people so he has no reason not to turn on his new masters.
The author of this article would do well to side with his own people rather than siding with the sort of people who attacked him as a youth. He must have serious moral and/or mental failings to identify with and associate with those who attacked him. No pun intended, perhaps he has Stockholm syndrome!
It is sad to see the Viking people cowering at the feet of demographic colonizers, without a shot being fired! It is truly amazing and it would be laughable were it not so tragically true.
I don't think it's a matter of embracing immigrants or siding with your own people. It's a matter of pride. Sweden is a very proud nation, and has good reason to be, but they push their noses up at people from poorer/"lesser" nations for no reason, and they push their noses up at jobs that they deem only good for immigrants.
As to the point that someone made about all these comments being in English... this is an English site, where people who live in Sweden but can't speak the language for whatever reason are able to know what is going on around them, to better help them assimilate themselves into the country they have chosen to live in. Is it really so hard to allow them ONE English news site in Sweden?
As an immigrant to Sweden, with a Swedish mother, I have faced a lot of xenophobia from Swedes, especially in the younger generations. I have the blond hair, the blue eyes, and the language down complete with a proper accent, but still, when people find out I'm South African, they go "aha...jag måste gå, vi ses!" and walk away. This makes Sweden a very hard place to live in.
Btw, a very good book to read is "The Xenophobe's guide to Swedes". It's written by a Swede, it's funny and light but very accurate. It's small, like a pocket book, a max of 150 pages, easily read in a couple hours. Definitely worth a read, for both Swedes and immigrants.
Jimmie Åkesson, in which he refers to Muslims as the greatest threat to Sweden since World War II. is somehow touched the political correctness sensitivity in Sweden.
But let's see the recent development of Sweden since the 70s. Although the main part of the social security is intact, the average competitiveness and economic indication, Sweden is experiencing a long term decline. The correlations between the refugee intakes and social decline has been proved by many research studies.
One of the researches regarding the social level trust shows that two variables are important for the social well-being in terms of maintaining the high level of trust. One is the homogenousity of the given population, and the other one is the religion. Islamization in a way contray to both of these crucial factors.
During the 2008 Olympic games, Beijing in order to maintain its' security, forbidded all Muslins entering the city. And the result is that the Chinese hosted one of the most successful games in the history.
So-called Political correctness often blinds to accept tolerance and understanding within the society. But by the end, many of us does not consider the important implication of culture. The decline of the western society in general perhaps has to thank the ideology of creating the multi-cultural society. Even the world's elite class are comprised by many people from the confrontation based and life dissatisfied cultures.
Klockhohn and Strodbeck's value dimension may provide us a good analysis on why people do not get along throughout the history. The confrontation towards people and nature prevails in many cultures are furthermore enhanced by the teaching of their religions.
Regarding the right or wrong of Åkesson's comments, let history judge...
What it boils down to is that the Mexican and the Oriental are used to living 30-40 people to one structure, in serf/peasant style conditions. They will work for a tenth of what the White man expects to earn, and they will still come out ahead because they have 20-30 relatives working and bringing in money, while sharing a house. They will accept living conditions that would make most Whites vomit, because we are a civilized people who refuse to accept third world conditions.
They are not willing to do jobs that we are unwilling to do, they are willing to accept a standard of living below what we will, indeed below what we can, accept.
Lothrop Stoddard put it best when he said that the Chinese would be at home living under the counter of their shop, and thus they would slash their prices to below levels a White man could compete with, because the White man has to pay for a house and he has to provide some reasonable amount of food for his family.
Immigrants do not do jobs that others are not willing to do (this myth is immediately disproven in the USA by the fact that less than 4% of agricultural jobs are handled by Mexicans), rather they can out-compete the White man in regards to accepting a slave wage and serf/peasant living conditions. This may be good for the captain of industry or the international banker, but it is a disaster for the nation and the people of the nation.
and Pakistan as acted as mother to them. We have been always heterogeneous country all along the history so it is less alien to us but the case of Sweden is different. No history of colonialism, couple with lack of effort to move away except mass migration to USA during depression era. So, it is really encouraging to see Muslims here from all over the world and Sweden acting as mother to them. But I don't think Sweden has kind of resources and opportunities to sustain them. So as the time goes on shrinking opportunities or resources crunch will turn it violent.
yes there are certain values that both hosts and guests have to look into. if those are conflicting it will be very unfortunate. And with that I 'll like to say that immigrants or guest should have a look on their own values as well. but if Sweden as to more global and more competing on the world map it has to open up. And if u like it or not Sweden has responsibility to comity of nations and more when it consider itself as conscience of the world.
So maybe the problem isn't with the "Orientals". Maybe the problem is with laziness and apathy.
"I have no place in the glory of future society, for I am but a tool of the present, to forge the future for our children. Take my soul, oh Lord of Justice, for I serve without question."
Let me get this straight; You think we should mass-sterilize Africans or failing to do that, stop all aid so they'll starve to death until only a few people remain, and we don't have to give them aid anymore. And this is... good for them.
This explains perfectly why you're an insignificant little dimwit from some redneck state who has nothing to do with Sweden but is posting stupid bullshit on this website anyway. God, just knowing that you exist somewhere is depressing until I realize no one takes you seriously.
Lets just ignore him and his bullshit and hope that he just fades back into the swamp he came from with the rest of the KKK
So Thank you.
@ Typical Whitey ( in response to your comment # 31) , you must learn how to respect others. This nick name does not suit to you. Your nick name should be '' Typical Racist'' and not typical whitey. I hope you understand this now well.
it is just that i don't know why?.
I know the Scandanavian countries so well,lived in there long ago,particularly
Norway and Sweden.
Yes, in Sweden there were few top notch industries,thanks to the German know-how and Jewish bankers, but what else is there Sweden has to feel
better than the rest??
Frankly, those Scadics did not even know good food untill immigrants showed up in their little ice covered lifeless lands.
They ate Herring and Potatoes. I was a witness when an old Norwegian woman
first found out and tasted Coffe with Cream and Sugar!!.
Now, their little towns are thriving, Herring munching potato eating blondies are
now able to speak of delights of different cooking.
Yes, they learned how to speak as well,I am disappointed a little though, because they didn't learn it from immigrants, they did it from TV.
They all speak like TV does!!.
That said, i am anti immigration in mass.
Immigration the way it is done is not in favour neither of the host country nor
the immigrants.
IT IS SERVING MASTERS OF GLOBALISATION and one world government.
It is not a Swedish issue or German issue, it is being done globally.
I am of thought of those who believe to be stopped, for every nation should
be unique in culture,religion and everything else in between.
That way the world looks beuatifull.
Intigration,assimilation, and the phenomenon of SPEAK MY LAGUAGE or else,
is nothing but violation of human rights.
Fo those who love liberty shall not tolerate calls as such, and the other one
that says be successful or you have no rights.
Oh, i forgot to mention the terrible language that immigrants have to put up in Sweden, namely the Swedish language.
Also before i sign out, i shall remind you western nation that are complaining of immigrants, it is your governments that are invading and bombing other nations,causing the survivors to flee into your nations. POETIC JUSTICE would you say.
And those who commented about Muslims taking over Europe in 50 years,
i think those commentators are JEWS, because it is the jews that have total
control of Europe and elsewhere NOW and perhaps the next 50 years.
May be not if the white christian Swedes concentrate on that instead of bullying
the helpless Iraqi mother who fled wars you caused in a Gheto of yours.
There you have an opinion of one former immigrant to Scandanavia,
who prefered to go back to the war torn country over stayin in a country
burried under ICE with deppressed folks.
Wish you happiness, regardless.
...progressive, meaning the degeneration of its society? Optimistic about what, gaining muslim majority by 2049? Open to the world. Which world, the world of terror and gang-rape?
"A country with affection for people and their fate"
..but with massive lack of affection for its own people!
Grow up.
I find my time here in Sweden doing consulting is a nice break from the nonsense going on back home. But I see that there is nonsense everywhere, even in Sweden. When people in Sweden start seriously arguing about where you can hang the 10 commandment or teaching creationism in schools, then I will start to worry.
btw whoever posted about "The Xenophobe's guide to Swedes" is spot on.
Don't worry. All of the loudest morons here are not Swedish and most of them don't even live in Sweden.
You are no better than all other racists here. Your antisemitic rubbish is more appropriate to Stormfront than to an article that preaches tolerance and openness between people, and aims to extinguish hate and racism. Please vent your hate somewhere else.
I also agree with Hagrid, you are anti-semitic. Unfortunately, such people as yourself use any forum to spread your muck.
Think logically:
There are only 13 millions Jews in the world, of whom 7 million live in Israel.
Incidentally, 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab Muslims (previously Palestinians); the remaining 5% are Bedouin, Druze, Christians and other minorities. Noteable, is that Bedouin, Druze and Bai' Hi have their HQs in Israel, because they are persecuted in Arab States. Bedouin and Druze serve in the IDF. All Israeli citizens have equal rights whatever their origins.
Palestinians enter Israel to work because they receive equitable wages, also come under Israel's health care system. It is a bit puzzling ... when $billions have been poured into Palestinian coffers, why do they need to enter Israel for work ...?
There are 2.6 billion Muslims in the world (1.6 billion in the middle east alone); their birthrate is higher than any other peoples.
The world population is 6.795 billion.
Please do explain how the Jews are going to take over the world, let alone the Middle East?
Also, check how Palestinians are treated in Arab States. They live in camps, denied citizenship even if three generations born in the Arab State, denied education, and medical care. They are permitted only the most menial of jobs.
Rather than employ Palestinians, Egypt offers work to foreigners along with lucrative incentives to come. Lebanon refuses its Palestinians to take in materials to their camp to repair the hovels in which they live. Perhaps Muslims should condemn how Palestinians are treated in their own States, before pointing the finger at Israel. ... we mustn't forget Black September either ...
I have lived many years in other countries. It is the duty of any migrant (or visitor) to respect the host country's culture and also learn to speak and read the language. Certainly, positive aspects of a different culture such as food, art, literature, music should be shared with the host country. But negative values and hatreds, and religious bigotry should not be tolerated.
I think attitudes must change from all sides. Respecting and accepting people for who they are and where they come from. I see so much judgment of people without knowing them at all. It's sad....we like to bunch up with our own and then point an judge at the "weirdos" that are not like us. So much ignorance!
Nice post in veritate, you tell em!
Your jewish cousins in this paper had censored me.
I am denied to respond. Had a lesson or two for you decievers.
and i am sure that their homes are full of pottery, with fenced gardens.
Swedes ultimately need to grow their population back to a zero or produce positive population growth levels.
The muslim countries need to stop their population boom and create a zero or negative population growth. Israel, India, Chad, and wherever Muslims are creating population changes, there are bound to be power conflicts. Why do we want to bring this to Sweden?
Same goes for England, Germany and the rest.
Let IRAQ be for the Iraqis.
Let Afghanistan be for Afghanis.
Let Somalia be for Somalis.
Stop supporting the U.S of A for wherever it's powerful jewish rulers want
to bomb,and nuke.
When you attack and destroy a nation, people are uprooted and they will
flee, and in this age , the proponents of globalisation are working
to create a one world, a world without IDENTITY.
Your problem is not the immigrants, it is the policy makers of your nations.
I am still denied to respond to those couple of commentators up.
It is not xenophobia to calmly decide that one's country is to remain one's own, any more than it is mental illness to decide that one's home is to be inhabited only by one's family rather than by random persons from the street, let alone such persons in unlimited numbers. Loving one's own family and children more than other families and children is what is healthy and rational - and by extension this MUST mean loving others LESS than one's own.
By contrast it is not only deeply disturbed but suicidally maladaptive to love the alien as much as, let alone even more than one's own.
Anyone or group who believes and acts otherwise simply loses his residence and resources, and either dies out or has his genes swamped by aliens and disappears from history. We are all descendants of those who fiercely believed in themselves and loved us enough to provide for us, their descendants, and NOT the descendants of others.
I am not falling for that dception of yours ,am i dear??
Call them reptiles, alliens or whatever name you please,
i am an old fashion and pronounce the old name correctly.
The good part, though, is that what is morally right in this case is also politically effective. We are so much more than our amygdalas. We have equally strong impulses with regard to curiosity, optimism and compassion. Only one political tactic has managed to conquer xenophobia in the long run — that of enthusiastically describing time and again how people come here to join their life stories with ours and to bring us new ties, fascinating places, and cultures steeped in ancient history. This is what they've always done in Canada, one of the world's largest melting pots and welfare states — and a country without a single anti-immigrant party.
Canada is no melting pot. Instead, we are told we are a multi-cultural paradise. Yeah right!. Our immigration as welfare for third world refugees poicies have created impenetrable exclaves of foreigners who, even after many generations here refuse to integrate into the greater society around them. I know many people who were born here, supposedly educated here but are barely proficient enough in English to ask directions. It is laughable.
And they cling to their old, barbaric cultures that relegate their women to second class status. So much so that in Blaine Wa, "fertility" clinics run by there co-religionists and co-culturalists run same day ultrasound and abortion services so that female fetuses can be quickly aborted, and another stab at getting a boy can be made more quickly. And don't forget the honour killings to show the world that they know how to handle their uppity women (Sikh and Muslim alike).
That, and their plotting of wars in their native lands (Tamils in Sri Lanka and Sikhs in India), including bombings, murders and such here in Canada. They continue to fight their vicious, sectarian battles here, and from here. Think the native born Toronto 18 Islamic plooters, who were plotting to blow up Parliament and then behead the Prime Minister were somehow isolated? Nope, not when their religious leaders proclaim their superiority over the rest of us.
If it were up to me, they would all be shown the door. Send em to Adhal's Sweden.
Solution is simple, no need to be giving a twisted narratives about migrants.
Tell your politicians to GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN,- start by stoping drone bombing Pakistan,so that will HALT the coming 100 milion of Pakistans to
your neighborhood.
Leave the migrants lands alone, or try HARD not to bomb them, then send
all immigrants back home.
Believe me, majority will thank you.
And , i will spare you talking to you about SIRILANKA war bcause if i do,
my supposed anti-semitism will be noted.
Yes Canada is for the Canadians as well.
LEAVE AFGHANISTAN FOR THE AFGHANIS.
Peace on earth.
Your comments are rationed,and i don't want to repeat myself.
The argument that i can't be anti semite and a semite at the same
time is made on article (priest refuses to wed same sex couple)on
this paper.
And if there is something to be furious about, it is the genocidal wars
that is taking place in many countries that is uprooting peoples,not
the immigrants that their lives are shattered.
Try to familiarise yourself with what is happening to whatever number
of people that survived from U.S nuking IRAQ.
In FALLUJA, mothers are giving birth to babies that you can be
mistaken to jelly fish with one eye in the middle.
The damage is not only in the genocide of million iraqis,it is more
so to the living in that country,and to your returning soldiers who were
exposed to such WMD.
I say "your soldiers" ,not knowing where your loyalty lies.
Go ahead and give me lessons about anti semitism,because
that is the most offensive.
Aer you going to use your U.N controlling powers on us to ever
talk the truth,or what now??
Cute this "as it refers to anti muslim attitudes separately".
How cute!!.
I am an American living in Texas. I married a Swede, who moved here. I know very well how immigration policies work, when they work well.
To become an American citizen you must live here for a few years. You must know the English language. You must study American history and civics and pass a test. Then you take the oath of allegiance.
It is natural for immigrants to cluster. In the past whole tenements in New York City were filled with families from one villiage in "the old country." Even today people cling to their ethnic backgrounds. Still, they also embraced American values and became ardent patriots.
Lately the multiculturalism fad has inhibited that somewhat.
Refugees can be more of a problem, because they cling to the hope of going back someday. Their children tend to settle in and assimilate. anyway.
I think Sweden needs a clear path tfor immigrants to be adopted into the tribe. The immigrant neds a way to demonstrate commitment to Sweden. I think this would help everyone, Swedes and immigrants (new Swedes) alike.
"I won't let my country be taken over by " fill in your race/ethicity here " and his liberal vermin".
Go back to faux newz.
And who is osama bin laden?
Yeah, Bin Laden, the man whom the entire world powers,
eastern and western couldn't locate him for 8 years.
Who is he Mr.Hamilton aka Mordoch?
it is your governments that are invading and bombing other nations,causing the survivors to flee into your nations. POETIC JUSTICE would you say.
And those who commented about Muslims taking over Europe in 50 years,
i think those commentators are JEWS, because it is the jews that have total
control of Europe and elsewhere NOW and perhaps the next 50 years.
May be not if the white christian Swedes concentrate on that instead of bullying
the helpless Iraqi mother who fled wars you caused in a Gheto of yours.
You are anti-Jewish, anti-West and I find your comments hateful, xenophobic and disgusting.
If you don't want any involvement from the "evil West" - GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER" and stop sending over terrorists to kill us!!
If Iraq and Afghanistan are so wonderful (and were so wonderful) then why did thousands flee for their safety to EUROPE??
I mean, why come here at all if its OUR fault for bombing you??
So typical that Jews are yet again blamed for being in control of everything - blah blah blah. At least my race integrates, assimilates and do all they can to make a life for themselves helping their communities and host country with skills, labourforce and so on.
What do your kind do? Ah yes, seek asylum and then complain that the Western Country that has given you safe haven is anti- all that you are. D'uh! No surprises there then eh.
Oh so typical too that the minute people want to discuss immigration and the problems its causing immediately the left-wing-do-gooding can't see the wood for the trees lot start crying racist or xenophobe.
As for the author of this piece of "journalism" - I wouldn't use it to wipe up dog poo. Typical nonsence from people who should know better.
Mass immigration and mult-culturalism don't work - the problems we are seeing justify this opinion. You move to a new country, you do your best to fit in - period. Keep your traditions, cultures, language for outside work hours, holidays and at home - otherwise assimilate yourself into your new host country - immigrants are given a lot when they arrive and Sweden is extremely tolerant of all who enter her borders - immigrants must learn (as I did) to meet the indiginous peoples on their own terms and not foist ours on them!
In other words, you cant become Swedish.
Even if you are born here you cannot become Swedish unless you are of Swedish blood.
No wonder Zlatan is quitting the Swedish national football team.
I have Swedish (Viking from the part that used to be Norway), Spanish, Vallon and god knows what else in my blood and I am still Swedish.
Zlatan is thinking of quitting because he doesn't think that there are any players in the national team that fit him.
I am aware that Europe is much more tribal than the USA. The ethnicities have long histories and have mostly managed to secure their homelands. There are still some mismatches, such as German speakers in France and the Czech Republic, the two languages in Belgium, the Finns in Sweden and the Swedes in Finland, and so on,.
I am also aware of the "Jus sanguinis". My children have the right to dual citizenship, so long as they maintain a "relationship" with Sweden.
The USA for a long time had a sort of meta-tribe. We established a formal path to adoption. The adoptee became an enthusiast. As I said before the multiculturalist fad has weakened that somewhat, but it still largely works.
Is there no way for an outsider to be adopted into the tribe?
There are 2 distinct tribes (differentiating from enthic origins or religious background) in the states, that is the red tribe and blue tribe. I would say the differences between the two are much broader than the language differences you mention. The 'multicultural fad' is by no means a fad, in the last 50 years the US is becoming less and less the homogenous vision of society seen in old 1950's TV shows. And some people like yourself just cant handle it. No matter how much you whine about closing the borders, it isnt going to happan. It must make you angry that anyone can get a variety of spanish, hindi, arabic or mandarin television on cable. And perhaps some areas of your home town have store signs written in mandarin. With the internet and dirt cheap frequent international flights your 'fad' will become the norm, as geographic isolation and the english language will no longer be any barrier to the outside world. The world will become more an more an address, the country will just determine the color of your passport.
Get used to it....
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2278
I'm not sure you are having the argument you think you are having.
Most lawful immigrants to the USA choose to come here, and fit in well. They contribute to the continual development of our country. They are welcome.
I also sympathise with the illegal immigrants. They are just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. It's not their fault that tax law and the regulatory environment create an economic niche (the underground labor market) that citizens cannot participate in easily.
The solution to the illegal immigration problem in the USA is not a wall to the south but real tax reform. Then those who like it here and want to stay can accept the rules, and those who just want to work temporarily can go home when they like.
I like Sweden. It looked like a good place to live.
It's foolish to throw out everything that makes it distinctive just as it's foolish to knock a hole in the wall just because you want to look outside.
Instead your leaders in their infinite wisdom pay for immigrants from parts of the world who come into your country - refuse to work, demand you accommodate a crazy religion, beat up your sons, disrespect your daughters and recruit each other for terror.
I don't speak Swedish, so can someone please tell me the word for "suckers".
It's really kind of torture to see how these seemingly sensible, disciplined and averagely very normal people of Sweden loose any traces of common sense in immigration issues.
For example.
It's a very hard job to grow proper socially orientated young people. You need to put so much good examples in the children brains by means of family, social environment, religion, traditions, schools etc. Swedish government brings so called refugee children (mostly male late teens; who are ready-to-use-gangsters) from the most non-civilized region of Africa and Asia to Sweden and expects them to be as useful for future Swedish society as local Swedish young people. To me it looks like conspiracy against the Swedish nation and common sense.
if you don't get what you want, say a local girl objects if you grope her, if you get nabbed stealeing froma shop, if they want to eject you from a nightclub for knifing a customer, just yell 'RACISM'.
If you remember to do that Sweden will be everything you could ask for!
This is also the case with Sweden. Good people who like to help other people all over the world. Allas the 'refugees' and immigrants, we encounter yet, are of different kind as the immigrants of the past. No past refugee or immigrant had ever thought about coming with knives into a disco in order to injure or kill the daughters of his benefactors. No Huguenot did ever think it is his birthright to execute mass group rapes and beat girls in their early teens half to death. No Jew or German socialist/communist during the '30 did think it is his duty to bring as much as possible damage to the people who try to help him. Martin Simeck was glad to escape the Iron Gate. He did not come into his mind that he, as Űbermench, has the right to handle the 'Infidel' Dutch as trash only because they are no buddies of Allah.
Resisting people who do you so much damage is not xenophobic: it is self defense.
What a pity for the Jews to be linked to the Arabs? This is what I have heard of a Jewish friend of mine. He had said as follows: “I have nothing against people who are anti Jewish. It is normal not to sympathize with everyone. But when I hear the word Anti Semitism, I smell the Third World: the pea of camels and goats and filthy markets, hearing the zoom of flies and hear the hysterical screams of analphabet backward primitive people. This is not us!. People who brought Albert Einstein, Robert Oppenheimer, Niels Bohr, Thomas Mann and Felix Mendelsson. Our blood relation with the Semits can be find in an ancient father who lived 3500 years ago. That’s it.
I assume you have so many emotional problems with (European) Jews and others because they are in many ways superior to you and your religion followers. Take a look at the world around? The Israeli’s were able to convert a desert country with surface as dry as the moon into a green oasis in the middle of a backward primitive part of the world. The Christian Europeans had brought Michael Angelo, Rafael, Servantes, Bach and Mozart and an endless row of great names in philosophy and science. The Japanese reside at the top of world technology of today. Many Far East countries are giants in technology and Hi-Tech. And your fellow men? The Muslims? They stay behind with 44 countries in the world and a vast majority of analphabets whom only ability is screaming all the name of their god Allah and producing children that others had to feed. Developing your genitals according to the hadith’s of Koran bring nothing good. Start instead developing your brain and your will to work hard.
I live in a very large city (Montreal) and I can state without any reserve that multiculturalism is a failure! Especially with regards to muslims and arabs in general.
I don't care about being labled a racist! I'm not interested in being politiacally correct. I am only interested in being correct. Period!!!
If you don't think that arabs are racist and/or tribalist, then you are an irretrievable idiot!
The very birthright of every Swedish boy and girl is being hijacked by leftist twits like the author of this article. And so goes the destiny of the west with the leadership of pollyannas like what we have had to put up with for too many decades.
After the first word war, Canada was seen by most Canadians as a second chance for Europe. A rebirth of Europe, if you will. A chance to bury the hatchet and start afresh. And it worked beautifully! A new kind inclussionist Europe for Europeans built by
Europeans .
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture.
This is our country , our land and our lifestyle and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy this WONDERFUL COUNTRY and all that is in it.
But once you are done complaining, whining and griping about... our flag.... our beliefs...our way of life.... and how we (in our own country) should have to think before we talk about you, so we in our own county do not hurt your feelings!!!
If you are not happy , then leave... do not live in our country, with the taste of bitterness towards us, we who gave you a roof over your head
it's our country, our land and our lifestyle.
If you'd care to check, Hitler was a socialist.
Both in the UK and Holland it has been proven that Immigration is not a net benefit to the host Country.
This is probably because there is no selection procedure when admitting immigrants so you tend to get sub standard people.
The USA on the other hand makes a rigorous selection of the Immigrants it admits so it gets people without a criminal record, healthy, useful diplomas and no nasty diseases, so in general they get useful people.
If we had done that in Europe right from the start, then I am sure there would have been no problems regarding Immigration.