February 14, 2012
Published: 5 Nov 09 11:32 CET | Double click on a word to get a translation
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/23092/20091105/
Per-Anders Pettersson intervened to save a 66-year-old woman from assault. But instead of being lauded for exercising his civic duty he is now about to start a prison sentence in a case that has sparked outrage in Sweden.
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given that the police don't have a stellar record (http://www.thelocal.se/15412/20081103/, http://www.thelocal.se/22936/20091028/), isn't the only solution to take matters into one's own hand?
The sentences should be inverted.
@calebian22. The reason the attacker's name is not stated, may very well be another example of our warped PC edicts. Perhaps the attacker's name was "foreign" sounding, in which case its publication would have immediately resulted in this lefty DO coming knocking on someone's door. It would have been discriminaaaaaaation! Crush the left in 2010!
This is yet another joke of an existing justice system. You have no right to defend yourself and no right to use force to help someone in a "stranglehold". I hate knowing that I can not defend my fellow mankind, how about you?
How can we exoect this man to live with himslef and sleep at night knowing that this woman could have been raped or murdered without him stepping up like a normal person should to help. This is what makes Swedish people cowards, laws that prosecute ANY form of physical force. Geography should not dictate saving a person in distress.
I'm just sickend by this. What if were a child being harmed?
It was far from a light altercation. The guy went at me as hard as he could, but took a lot of damage in the process, to the point he could no longer sustain the attack. Both he and I could barely get up from the ground. He fell after he stood up.
This was literally 15 metres from the front door of the local police station at 1am. That is how I found out that a lot of local police station close's at 3pm in the evening.
The police sent me a letter two months later stating there was no evidence that ANYTHING happened.
I have since found out that the guy who attacked me, some of the local police go skydiving with him, as does a local prosecutor.
Since finding that out, no police officer from Sweden is welcome in my company. I treat there presence as a real and present dangerous threat to rape me.
If anyone is ever suicidal enough to attack me again in Sweden, they had better kill me for there own and there families sake.
There is no law an order in Sweden. The police need to be fired, deported, stripped of citizenship and a new force hired.
They also need non political aligned judges and prosecutors. I have met to many of them at wine and cheese events after business and academic meetings to accept them as non biased.
I love living in Sweden.
I love the Swedish people.
I have more real friends in Sweden than in Ireland or Scotland.
The Swedish people are let down and made a mockery of by there politicans, police, lawyers, procecutors, judges, political commentators, far right and far left. That is who the real problem in Sweden is, not immigrants, unemployed or anyone else. It is those groups I have named.
Whatever indignation you may feel about this. You must not call for people to "Arm yourseleves". Not only is it incitement to violence, it takes away any moral high ground you may have had.
Most of my friends in Sweden live in country areas, not cities. All of them have discussed at various points law and order and safety at home. There is fear in there discussion in the last ten years and particularly the last five.
I have a short celtic style sword made in modern stainless steel at home which is razor sharp and perfect for close quarter killing. One stab from that anywhere on the torso, neck or legs and someone is never getting up again.
Anyone breaking into my apartment with me in it, is going to die.
As I made clear in my previous post, I know there is no law and order in Sweden and reserve the right to retaliate with completely overwhelming and unnecessary force against any attacker.
As a woman on my own, I know what it is like to live in fear after being attacked.
I don't care about any moral high ground. Anyone wants to rape me, I have the right to kill him and attack his family. They bred him and supported him, they can suffer for him.
No one will rape me and not suffer very extreme consequences for them and there family.
Anyone defending anyone in any capacity, who would rape me, I would treat as a rapist.
The above statement really amazes me. All of these "CRAZY" sentences we hear about throughout the world are usually overturned by a higher court. This is obviously less publicized because it doesnt have the shock value. Considering this is a fundamental question regarding human rights i am SHOCKED the supreme court denied this claim (is one able to use potentially deadly force to prevent the use of potentially deadly force on another individual). The good Samaritan was FINED $7000 on top of it, UNBELIEVABLE!!
I am not trying to push US policy on anyone, but after many lawsuits in multiple states, many state statutes specifically give your the right to use force to defend the life of another person, AND make it illegal to sue that person for using such force. Maybe it is time for Sweden to do the same thing (after the Liberals are out of office of course). My uncle shot someone who broke into his house in California. He didn't have to deal with any of this crap. Cops and paramedics came and that was that.
This does look like a "slimy criminal slithers out of the legal system with slippery lawyer while good guy gets the book for doing the right thing" movie scenario, but there's probably more to it than what the Local can sift into a small article or what anyone here thinks, given the trial took like 3 years.
Also Beynch, stop trolling around every articles comments section trying to covertly get people to vote for the Sweden Democrats. You're not as cunning as you think; in fact you're quite transparently violent, racist and American. This isn't Alabama. You're not allowed to tote guns. Go arm yourself somewhere else.
I dont see why you feel it necessary to turn this into another blame it on the immigrants story. They never mention the names whether the crime was committed by a foreigner or a swede. The saying goes, "empty cans make the most noise" and we know which cans are empty on this forum.
How many want to bet that the órigninal attacker was not Swedish. haha. Statistically speaking, chances are he wasn't.
Pettersson then hit the man a second time on the head with jack, causing the 26-year-old to sustain a fractured skull."
So he tried yelling at the attacker to scare him away, then he hit him on the shoulder, THEN he hit him on the head. HOW is this "attempted murder" by the loosest definition of the term? Even if that low life scum (elderly woman strangler) did die, he was given ample opportunities to stop strangling this woman and leave. I can not believe anyone thinks this is ok. Dont expect anyone to help you or your family members if they are ever being beaten, robbed, or raped. No one will want to go to jail for doing the right thing.
"They certaninly can't let him go just like that?" Why not? I'm with mkvgtired. Play out the scenario in your mind. Bad guy strangles woman. Pettersson first screamed at attacker. No result. Second, hit him with jack on shoulder. Attacker obviously isn't giving up-still attacking Forsberg. and third: Pettersson has to make a decision either walk away and allow attacker to continue...or hit the attacker again. Second blow to his head obviously got his attention. Courts conclude that there was no indications man inteded to attack Pettersson once outside Forsberg's car? No- surely the attacker would shake Pettersson's hand after Pettersson hit on the shoulder-please! Make no mistake, the attacker would have gone after Pettersson next. Punishing someone for going to another's aide is just wrong. You want someone to help you...but only to a certain extent? I see people walking away, helping no one!
If you break the law by committing a major offense, you at that point do not have any "rights".
Anything someone does to you to retaliate or discourage you from continuing
is legal. Simples.....
The law permits the use of 'Reasonable force' to protect yourself or your property against an attacker.
Whereas the first blow was considered 'reasonable' action in defence of the person being attacked, the second blow was not, especially as there was a history of antagonism between the two.
While I agree that penalty suffered by Pettersson is harsh, compared to that suffered by the attacker, The court has to work within the law. Sweden, unlike the US or UK has a codified law, this means that the court has less leeway than they would have under a case law system such as the UK. However similar outcomes have occurred in the UK with people being sent to prison for acting in 'Self Defence'
There needs to be a law that stipulates what is and what is not 'Self defence' , without such a law, vigilantism would happen, with people attacking people just because they didn't like them or their views.
Application of the law may seem a bit off in some cases, but live with it because the alternative is anarchy.
I live in a state where I can kill a car-jacker or a burglar/home-invader, and there are no running gun battles in the streets. We don't have thousands dying each day. There is no anarchy here...
Some states allow lethal force to defend property (such as vehicles, livestock, etc)...
Other states forbid lethal force even in cases of rape, arson, assault, robbery, home invasion, etc.
Some states require that you try to retreat from your own home (fortunately mine is not amongst those states)...
If you invade a man's home in this state, expect to get blasted. The same goes for trying to car-jack a motorist in this state. Out of about 11 million people, approximately 175,000 are licensed to carry concealed pistols. Always be polite and never consider trying to steal or rob because you never know who you might be trying to rob!
Or are you worried that you might be exposed as a weakling when you refuse to defend your family and yourself against attackers?
It is easy to live in Sweden and use the excuse of, "we're not allowed to defend ourselves!" to hide behind the fact that you wouldn't defend yourself or your neighbors even if you were allowed to do so!
Only criminals and weaklings have to worry about armed citizens!
Those who are unwilling to defend themselves and their kin are not fit to live and often only survive because of a society that sustains their miserable existence.
http://swedishangst.blogspot.com/2009/11/sweden-is-perverted.html
The dual citzenship comes in the form of a Swedish wife and son.
Just an idea, I assume you did not vote for Barak Hussein Abama?
You have all committed a crime sometime in life. Whether it's jaywalking, littering or even crimethought, you are all guilty of something.
Society must be ruled by firm, unbending law. The police must become mindless executioners, their only passion to destroy lawbreakers and restore the purity of the Great Hammer.
"He who works in disorder gives home to Chaos.
Let him be struck with Iron to forge away his flaws."
-From the sermons of the Ssverss, Priest of Order.
The enemy is NOT this 26-year-old low life pig who the pc twits won't identify (for fear of bothering their weak-kneed college professors). The enemy is the liberal bas__rds who make Sweden's laws and the gutless cowards who allow these laws to stand, most definitely including the fake news organizations who also refuse to really tell the story.
Once Sweden was respected. Now Sweden is not respected. As a California teacher, whose college comrades have wrecked our economy and culture, this story illustrates the cliff over which the gutless American liberals are trying to lead America.
The REAL enemy is the average Swedish citizen who voted in these fools on parade as their leaders.
@Nemesis....the rape story must open a wound for you. I am sorry. I just don't get it? How do these people get off? I just wanted to say how sorry I was to read your story. You are brave to tell your story. I believe your attacker took much more from you....he took your trust. I'm glad you are strong! I hope someone who makes these laws will wake up to how insane they are sounding, and changes them.
Why are you a car-jacker or a burglar/home-invader? From the post these seem like the people that should be concerned.
If you are going to come to someone's aide, then you are going to do what you can to stop the attack. Who goes into an altercation saying to themselves, "I can only hit the guy once, that's reasonable." Like I said, make no mistake. The attacker would have gone after Pettersson next. I wouldn't want someone to come to my aide and then say, "Well I tried. Hope the next guy gives him a harder blow that might save you as I can only hit the guy once."
DAMN I WILL USE A CROWBAR!!!!!!
F!!K THE POLICE, I am sick of it, Criminals like rapist and child molesters get months for crimes they would be hanged,
I swear that HG Wells patterned the livestock of the Morlocks in Time Machine after the Swedes.
I pay taxes to support these people and I am disappointed. All I say Sweden is a criminal's heaven. Lenient sentences and jail are like hotels compare to alot of countries.
Me, I am not scare of anything or anybody.....I can only advice those who want to give me problems: 'Don't trouble trouble if you don't want trouble to trouble you' Don't believe in deadly weapons, all I have is my set of keys, lighter and my comb. If you know how to use anyone of them that will be enough