February 14, 2012
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Sweden has decided to expand a programme which gives unsuccessful asylum seekers money to voluntarily return to their homelands, at the same time as the number of refugee applications continues to drop.
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It's funny that someone mention "nations being violated".
Ignore This firstcrusade poster he is the latest good-ole-southern-boy KKK guy that has just found out how to switch on a PC
Indeed, the US creates a lot of these wars not the Israelis, and even used "Weapons of Mass Destruction", "war on terrorism" and "9-11" as excuses, expecting the rest of the world to be naive enought to believe it. Anything can be used as an excuse to get the oil..
And before you ask, I am not a refugee, though I am an immigrant in Sweden - an American immigrant. I'm ashamed of what the US has done many times in the past, as any decent American should be.
The major startegic goal of her statement was to appease the wrath of Israel. By invading Iraq without so much as a heads up to their major allies, the US ended up instantly totally destroying a major Israeli operation set up to deal with Saddam. One which took a couple of years at least of preparation.
When we observe events so we can analyze them an be able to reach our own conclusions we don't have to subject ourselves to believing everything everyone says.
And to FirstCrusade I say this: Sweden is not obliged to take in a single immigrant. They do so by choice. Sweden does not owe a refugee anything. Quite the contrary, a refugee who is housed and fed and granted asylum owes the Swedish people everything. I trust that every person seeking asylum in Sweden, as well as every person granted asylum in Sweden, gives thanks daily to the Swedish people for providing them with a new opportunity.
Now, obviously, you need to do something with the people who end up in your country, request asylum but they are refused. You can't just drag them out of the borders and abandon them, nor you can kill them. You you will have to "forward" them somewhere, and the most suitable place is their home country (or a country that wishes to accept them)
The problem lies in the fact that Sweden tries to perform this "forwarding" on their own, bearing the cost to the state and to citizens. The random Swede guy goes like: "why do i need to pay the plane ticket of this guy to return to Iraq / Somalia / etc ?" and the random Swede is right
The refugee guy did not swim from Somalia / Iraq / etc to Sweden. He probably traveled through whole Europe, maybe has taken flights with forged papers, etc. Therefore, Europe should be responsible for this, not just a state. Split the cost on all European countries (yes, make Greece pay because we are like a crossroad when it comes to illegal immigration), and then send these people back
So where is the law? if someone commits a crime, should go to jail or be expulsed from the country. Well, the law doesn't work, because European laws are incompetent.
We are all sinking in this Europe of corruption and inefficiency. And yes, WE did the laws, we designed the system, not the immigrants.
To the contrary, a political refugee is viewed as a victim. This is a very important point. In a bizarre twist, the Swedish government acts as if political refugees, as victims, are an entitled class. In my opinion the Swedish government has it entirely backwards. The "social contract", which is the cornerstone of modern democracy requires a mutual responsibility between government and its citizens. I know what the Swedish government is doing for political refugees. They give them housing, food, health care, education etc etc etc. I ask you this: What are political refugees doing for Sweden in return?
Therefor, we must police the poor more. Or exterminate them all.
"Glorious are the Children of Order,
We keep the Light and destroy the wicked."
Cry more American white-trash. I hope the Swedish state pays to buy you a canoe and paddle you back to Amerikkka in your own river of tears.
Sweden needs to spend money on discouraging immigration and asylum seekers.
This can be accomplished by finding out why people migrate illegally to Sweden and then working to reduce those incentives.
The biggest incentives are money and housing.
If Sweden is able to prevent people from earning money illegally the failed asylum seekers and illegal immigrants wont be able to support themselves financially so they'll be more likely to leave Sweden.
If Sweden does not provide housing to refugees and immigrants they will will be less likely to migrate to Sweden and claim asylum in Sweden.
Sweden should also find out how they migrate to Sweden and then implement policies to stop them.
If they're arriving on student or tourist visas and then claiming asylum or overstaying their visas then Sweden should become more restricting on issuing visas.
Maybe you never heard the heartbreaking cry of a mother or seen the pain of a young child in these war torn countries.
You should visit Baghdad or Kabul,otherwise shut up.
If you do not oppose the principle of the cost you will not oppose the actual kroner value either (because as you said it is negligible). That being said, why do Europeans never protest tax increases, you actually continually call for them? Tax businesses, tax the rich, tax drivers, tax airlines, tax factories etc. etc. People and businesses with money tend to leave high tax environments and move to low tax environments.
I thoroughly enjoyed the "kkk" you entered into your simple minded spelling of America. If you go to any city in the US you will find an intermingling of people, which is more than I can say for European cities. Judging by trips to European and American cities I can say these "kkk" members you speak of are far more accustomed and tolerant of people that look different then themselves than Europeans are.
Many of these "refugees" are caught committing some type of crime or supporting terrorism. That being said, just because I dont take the European view of using my tax dollars to send jihadists to train in Packistan, Somalia, or some other equally exiting vacation destination does not mean I am a member of the kkk. Is it a coincidence that virtually all of the European immigrants caught "vacationing" in these places are on welfare? This is not just Sweden but there have been cases from many European countries. Like I said in past comments, if you want to fund terrorism with your tax kroner that is fine, but have your new friends blow up stuff in Sweden and stop sending them around the world.
The bigger question is when polygamy will be legalized to satisfy the young Bleach blonde Swede's desire to mate with a Black man and have his brown babies. As well as the Black man's desire to have full-blooded Black children by a full blooded black woman?
Förhoppningsvis Snart
Re-Horathky, one day you will end up drowning in your own fanatical insanity. And here I was thinking you already had... no such luck.
So where have you been all this time? Did you take my advice and go consult a psychiatrist? If so, it didn't seem to help much.
Jag arbetar.
Seeking asyulm is by far different from begging ..
ur working on the symptoms rather than the main problem..
Swedes are very open mind people, is a fact, but like everything, everyone have limits. If someone request asylum (political or not) to one country and is accept, is necessary understand that many things will change very radical in your life (for example: food, climate, style of dress, sexual behavior, music, new laws if compared native country, etc). To be accept in country like is like receive one oportunity (freedom, refuge and protection) to growing up. So, enjoy this unique oportunity, be flexible and think in future.
Cheers for all !
your not an immigrant, as a greek your a citizen of the eu!
Let me give you one example:
I went to Rio de Janeiro in my vacations, Copacabana beach. Near from me and my friends at beach were one muslin family and they were very upset with everyone around because few vestments of women and men.
( to have idea, check site http://www.copacabana.info/copacabana-beach.html )
The muslin family (more women) was totally in black clothes at beach and went "pain in the ass" with others because she is not accepting our way style beach. Everyone notice that she was not happy. Is our fault about ?
Of course, that nope.
Detail: in Brazil, total black clothes are used to go cemirtery (daylight) in respect of deads. Is our culture.
Brazil offer asylum to more 4000 persons of many place of world. We have many from Afghanistan and I can tell you that they are not happy here.
Too much cultural difference. They complain about violence, no help from goverment, etc etc etc but we have these problems also. We have our porvety people, and with taxes, first we need help native poor citizens.
Its complex situation, and I can understand what swedes are thinking. same happen in Brazil.
Cheers,
CrocoJet
Every refugee will need to be fed and taken care off for the rest of their lives and this trend will follow even for the children of the refugees, into second and third generations. That is what is happening now with existing refugees, that is what is happening in France as well.
But do not make a mistake in considering the refugees as burden to Swedes and Sweden. Without the refugees and immigrants, Sweden would have been in serious demographic problems.
A balance is required and now Sweden is finding this balance.
To CanadianInSweden> Your Canadian government keeps you in a bubble regarding your immigration policies. You only let in people you need, as you dont have your own. You also create a list every couple of years describing which professionals you need and advertise it. Despite all this, you fail!
Immigrants are cheating the system in Canada in every way they can, because once they are inside the country...idea of equal opportunities are forgotten.
Importing people from outside of the EU does not solve Sweden's or Europe's demographic problems any more than breeding or importing falcons will solve a decline in the population of eagles.
Sweden and Europe need Swedes and Europeans not Somalis, Afghans, Iraqis, Moroccans, etc...
You are angry at the wrong people because you are stupid.
The overwhelming majority of immigrants in Sweden are refugees and asylum seekers and their families. These are people who are very glad that they are no longer being raped/pillaged/murdered/genocided in darkest Africa or whatever hell-hole they managed to escape from, and would probably be terrified of getting a parking ticket in fear that they might lose their residence permits. Very very few of these people commit crimes.
There are also a minuscule number of bad people who abuse and clog the asylum seeking system and the migration system in general trying to get in as economic migrants even though they aren't from a country that is hell on earth. These people are committing a crime by abusing a system which is intended to save lives. It's not a huge leap to assume that while most of these people are opportunists who want to make money, a number of them probably also have no regard for the law and commit other crimes too.
Thus you are raging idiots for being angry at all brown people and Muslims when you should be angry at a select group of people who are abusing the system and who are defined by their common intention rather than their skin color or religion. You are either unable to differentiate because you are stupid or unwilling to do so because you are malicious.
This proves that you are dumb. Go back to wherever you came from.
I don't disagree with some of what you are trying to say but your grammar, spelling and punctuation skills need a bit of work. I thought the CDN school system did a better job than that. Are you a native born Canuk or drinking at the time? :-)
@Nevon
Rant on!! Gotta love your idealism.
The bottom line is that it's stupid policy to go to all the expense of inviting asylum seekers into the country, having all the expense of keeping them and then paying them to leave. Pity the poor Swedish tax payer. How many countries are offering Swedes such an expense paid holiday deal with a return home ticket and money in their pocket? The real world problem with this policy is that once the word gets out you could be swamped with bogus refugees looking to take advantage.
What makes no sense to me is why we have to pay for other countries' illegal aggression in countries that could not even defend themselves.
Perhaps because we've never been in that situation we have a hard time understanding what it's like...
Imagine if Mexico would occupy (re-claim) Texas and California, and then do the same things the UK/US have done in the middle east!
Would you stay there and slowly see your family die or would you instead take your family to Sweden???
How do you fix the economies of Pakistan ($2,624 Per Capita GDP) and Somalia ($795 Per Capita GDP) so they rise to the level of Sweden ($37,333 Per Capita GDP)?
I can't imagine that the gap in wealth will be significantly reduced in our lifetimes.
Pakistan has a population of 180 million people so even if they added a trillion dollars to their GDP they would still have a significantly lower Per Capita GDP than Sweden.
i fail to see where thats swedens problem,sweden gives its share to the developing world in aid....if the people dont meet the requirments for a visa throw them back where they came from(the cheapest way posible)that simple.
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SPEND, SPEND, SPEND and when when that runs out RAISE the taxes to fund more exit tickets...
Sweden [1] - Insurgent (assylum seekers) Cell groups [0] : ))
And believe me.....90% of the Iraqi refugees would leave Sweden immediatley if the situation in Iraq would be safe and the same as before the war.