Sweden Democrats at record high: poll

Btw, I don't understand all of these fuss about this issue. One percent increase or decrease shouldn't come up in the news. They are afterall in minority.

I wish it was just all about immigration. To have Anti-immigration policy is undeniable right of everyone but anti-liberalism will make Sweden or any other country to one of current Mideastern countries! Welcome to Anti-liberal world where only one version of living,thinking,acting,...is allowed and others are evil!

Kissing the welfare state goodbye 1% at a time. When people wake up to what they've been voting, it's gonna be too late and no way back, cause once benefits are gone they're gonna be gone for good, but new taxes will come to stay. Seen it all before abroad, this is how countries implode and become corporations.

In Sweden the immigration department (Migrationsverket) has deliberately created massive ghetto's such as Rosengård and Södertälje.

Ghetto's create alientation. It is rare to see a Swede in those ghetto's and vice versa. Those ghetto's are designed to create a barrier between Swedish people and immigrant people.

If lots of immigrants are going to come into Sweden, then the Swedish need a very different approach, based on common sense, not the ghettoist, racist gogma, of Migrationsverket. They claim they are for the immigrants, when in fact they do there best to seperate them from Swedes.

Migrationsverket on behalf of the Swedish people brought in genuine refugee's. For some strange reason it then put them in ghetto's and dumped known terrorists and political agitators in on top of them. Migrationsverket knew exactly what it was doing when it did that. The purpose of that act was purely to create racism in Swedish society.

The only way to integrate a large amount of immigrants quickly is to spread them as evenly as possible around the country. That way, people quickly integrate as they have no choice, unlike the present situation.

You also need jobs to support them. If the country has no jobs for them that instantly creates an underclass. That instantly creates extremism, with all the assoicated problems, no matter how well intentioned.

In Sweden for lower ranking jobs, there is some really stupid and idiotic rules. A person should not have to be able to speak perfect and fluent Swedish to get a job as a cleaner. A rudimentary level of Swedish where a person can take basic instruction, should be more than enough to use a bucket and mop. That sort of racist rule plays right into the hands of the SD.

If Swedes want people to learn Swedish, they should speak swedish to them, not instantly switch to English upon meeting any foreigner. That is not just with english speaking foreigners. Any English speaker trying to learn Swedish will find that annoying, but can you imagine how someone from China, Japan, Korea, Serbia, Kosovo or elsewhere feels about that?

That puts more barriers between Swedes and immigrants.

All of that has given the Swedish Democrats something to use when talking to potential voters, as no one wants to admit that they themselves are the problem.

The SD blame the European Union for things that are nothing to do with the European Union. The misinformation that comes from journalists in Sweden who can not accept that Swedish people themselves are creating most of the problems, has played into the hands of the SD.

The SD blame immigrants for problems created by Migrationsverket.

The SD blame everyone but the Swedish, for the problems in Sweden.

Swedish people need to learn to accept responibility for the problems they have created by themselves and stop blaming others. The Swedish Democrats are a sympton of that problem.

"The only way to integrate a large amount of immigrants quickly is to spread them as evenly as possible around the country. That way, people quickly integrate as they have no choice, unlike the present situation."

This could work if people didn't have the freedom to choose their living place. As long as the government doesn't dictate where people must live, people of same ethnic background will move in the same areas. It's just human nature.

QUOTE: "The anti-immigrant Sweden Democrats claimed a record 5.8 percent of voter sympathies in the Sifo poll published in the Svenska Dagbladet and Göteborgs-Posten newspapers on Sunday.

The new poll represents an increase of 1.1 percent on Sifo's October survey. While the climb is not deemed statistically significant, the party is clearly above the four percent threshold.

The only statistically significant change on the October poll is the Green party's rise of 2.1 percent to 9.7 percent."

COMMENT: Who was the idiot, who wrote the three previous paragraphs??!! How can a 1.1% increase to 5.8% be un-significant, and a 2.1% increase to 9.7% be significant???!!! Do the editors of this publication take every but themselves to be fools??!! In both cases: the increase represents about a 25% increase in numbers; thus they are both indeed equally (more or less) significant!!!

@ Vim Fuego

Where did you get the idea that regugee's coming to Sweden have a choice where they live.

I am in an SFI class where only two of us are from Europe.

All the people who came from middle east and other war zones, were only offered accomodation in areas full of other immigrants. They have no choise were they live, when they come to Sweden.

From speaking to those people in my class, they only even hear swedish in SFI.

In private when no one else is around, they all want to live in a different area, away from anything that can be looked upon as a ghetto.

IraniBoy is right, and that is what bothers me the most about the Sweden Democrats and about Geert Wilder's Freedom Party in the Netherlands, where I used to live. They get votes from people who want to change the immigration laws, but these parties aren't just about immigration. They want to make Sweden and the Netherlands just like the countries where the immigrants they don't like come from. Geert Wilder's party is called the "Freedom" Party and yet it wants to get rid of all the coffeeshops in Holland. That's not very free. Luckily the Dutch will never allow that, even if Geert Wilders gained power. The Sweden Democrats want to unhinge gay rights. If they hate conservative immigrants so much, why do they want to make Swedish law closer to laws in those conservative countries?

There ought to be a choice for a party based on the dynamic of defending Western modernity, the enlightenment, and human rights from the negative aspects of multicultural policy for those who want change to immigration but not in the direction of becoming more like some oppressed and über-nationalist or über-religious country.

People are increasingly becoming aware of the fact that there are elements within Western Civilization that are actively trying to destroy Western Civilization and cultures. As time passes, it seems that those who consider it a mental illness seem closer to the truth than anyone else. The multiculturalism religion (yes, religion) is built on a foundation of denial and a willful suppression of basic common sense - to achieve just what in the end?

Nemesis, what you said is true (I suppose, I don't live in Sweden), initially. After a while and acceptance of a "permanent status" they are free to choose. At least I suppose so as this is the practise in my current country and many others.

Elsewhere in today's edition there's a story about the people of Vellinge. This is but one small piece of evidence of why SD enjoys its current successes. Time for the people of Vellinge to sell and move out. Yes, no matter how you twist and turn it, and wrap it in politically correct invective, this is the sad reality. And all of it can be laid squarely at feet of decades of Palme's social democratic dictatorship. For the Moderates to issue "warnings" is offensive and an affront to democratic thougt. Crush the Left in 2010!

I think immigrants are somewhat integrated in Sweden as well as can be expected human nature being what it is. Swedes have had an air of superiority since the 60's on this issue, especially in regards to America and the so-called civil rights movement. Now, they are finding that they and the immigrants too are not super humans and the multicult paradise will not materialize. So, now there is panic on one side and denial on the other. I'm just watching from the sidelines.

Yes, people are naturally drawn towards there own. Birds of a feather flock together. Given 10 immigrants if one marries a swede and intergrates 9 will not and in the end the Swedish people will change (for better or worse) but forever have ethnic enclaves whose loyalty is not to Sweden FOREVER. Just like America and Britain. Look folks the gypsies have lived in Europe for 800 years and not integrated and same for some Jews. Two choices: kick them all out or get used to it. What to do?

@ Vim Fuego

Actually it is a bit more complicated than that.

They come to Sweden. They are housed in an area by Migrationsverket, who contacts a bostad (housing agency). The refugee has no say in the paperwork.

I know one woman who ended up living above the people who murdered most of her family, due to that.

Permanent status means nothing.

They have to complete SFI and get a job, before any other bostad will even consider them.

Due to their non European names, most bostads will not offer them a place outside a ghetto, which can in effect trap them.

Then there is another bizarre thing, which really seperates them from Swedish.

Arbetsförmedlingen has a program for non european immigrants, called arbetsjobbsplats. In that Arbetsförmedlingen will place a refugee in a job for up to 3 years to help them integrate.

I think you may realise how employers abuse that system. It has led to personal officers in many production line jobs, selecting regugees over Europeans and Swedish. Areas where there are production lines have high amounts of working class, who are the SD's main target and they do play on that one.

I have been asked on occassion at job interviews if I am elligable for arbetsjobbsplats. Upon saying I was not, the interview was over.

That is why I made a point of finding out about arbetsjobbsplats. I could not believe how blatantly anti-european it was.

Any area were there is unemployed Swedes the SD use that to say to people that immigrants are being hired instead of them. I think you can imagine how it is twisted by the SD.

I see. The situation is quite different from where I live.

But still the fact remains that once people have the freedom to choose, they are drawn to their own as someone put it. And even if SD twists and uses the situation to their benefit, at least according to your description they have a valid reason for using it. Such heavy subventions in a very difficult market situation distorts the job market and causes discontent in the locals. And rightfully so.

Of course it's not the fault of the refugees, but it seems like the interests of ethnic Swedes are neglected in favour of immigrants.

@ Vim Fuego

I agree.

I have tried to find the names of the people who have written those rules, that distort everything in Sweden so much. When I find their names I will put them on the web on a site that is not hosted in a coutry that will respond to legal action in the west, with the label nazi's on it. Only a nazi would create such rules, so as to create a backlash.

I would be very suprised if the people who wrote those rules was not a member of a far right or far left organisation. Ist has all the hallmarks of politcal extremism.

I myself as a European have been on the recieving end of this, as have several other people I have talked to.

The main thing though is this. We do not need parties like the SD in power in any capacity, anywhere. We had that from 33 to 45 in Germany. We don't need that ever again in any country.

We need to find ways to deal with our problems in society without that want and will feed of violence.

@ PrinceKnight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance

- it is merely a mathematical term applied to statistics.

..now who was the idiot?

Nemesis,

You write very thought-provoking pieces here. Although I do not subscribe to your positions, I think you present them very well.

Sincerely,

Your Opponent and Admirer

I don't understand why people keep saying that the Netherlands is most likely to suffer from Jihad in the future: The oppositional party in the Netherlands will most likely become the biggest party in the Netherlands, there are a number of oppositional websites like Geenstijl and het Vrije Volk which attract more then 100.000 people on a monthly basis and the Dutch Frankfurtist are currently busy spreading propaganda about the Dutch PVV which won't work and will only further mobilise the opposition.

Now take the Swedish people: There oppositional party has terrible low votes, if the people who visit this website are any indication of the average Swedish voters then you people are simply unable to understand the difference between right and wrong, good and evil, justice and crime.

God made every human being equal, God expects that we treat every individual equally. This means that the Muslims have to be punished for there sins because they broke many laws of God and they do this more and with more militancy then every other race and creed on earth.

Someone who can't understand this does not know the difference between good and evil and has not yet left the garden of Eden and is more animal then human.

believe or not, sweden's democraphic orientation is going to change, just a matter of fact! from outside of sweden, one would think it is one of the purest nations in the world. But until you come here and see yourself the reality. Social democracy works only within the groups who shares the same value. But when Fatima, Ali and Hussein come around, the story will change...

@ Dr. Dillner

Thank you:)

I wish I could articulate better what I want to say, but political and social writing is not my forte as you may have noticed.

I am a nerd who prefers watching my science fiction like battlestar galactica or making my 3d animations, to argueing. I just get angry when I see people hating people/groups for so little reason, whom they have probably never met.

I believe in a live and let live society. In plain language do what you want, as long as you harm no one. I consider all human beings to be equal, no matter what creed, religeon, nationality, etc.

Nemesis, your first comment hit the nail on the head.

Sweden has made this mess and they need to fix something before it's too late.

From talking with refugees at my SFI school I think Vim is closer to right on the refugees getting to choose where they live. At least it seems like that in this area.

The refugees I have talked to in school have all told me that they're waiting on their permament residence then they're going to move to where their cousins, brothers, friends etc. live.

That makes it sounds like they don't get a choics at first but then they acn choose at a later point.

Dear The Local, Please stop publishing misguiding articles.

You should make it clear that if an increase is statistically insignificant, it means that it is not accurate. From the way you deliberately put it, it seems that statistical insignificance means that the increase is just "small" in comparison to other increases.

Statistical insignificance means that a prediction based on a sample (in this case, of 1,894 people) was most likely a result of dumb luck and not representative of the general population as it should be. This is because the change or the sample pool were too small, and most likely biased.

This in turn means that the reported 1.1 increase is not an accurate prediction, and most likely completely meaningless.

Reporting this as "SWEDEN DEMOCRATS AT RECORD HIGH" is shamefully bad journalism at the best, and disgusting political bias at the worst.

Nemesis

"The SD blame's everyone but the Swedish, for the problems in Sweden".

Your opinion on the subject is generally shared by all left wingers in the EU. They are trying hard to aid immigrants and refugees and give them excellent prospects in their new country. They go even as far as handling poor locals as second rate and putting a 'cordon sanitaire' on opponents. Alas, all their good will and efforts to do their best do not work.

Not the state or the Migrationsverket are to be blamed!. The failure to integrate the new comers lies by the new comers themselves. They see no reason to integrate with infidels Dhimmi's whom they despise. Do you know that the former German 'Kanzler' Willy Brandt found during WWII shelter in Sweden? Did Willy Brandt and his social democrat comrades take the right to set schools and police cars on fire and molest locals - especially women - only because the do not care for the Fuhrer Allah and his Obersturmfuhrer Mohammed?

"If lots of immigrants are going to come into Sweden, then the Swedish need a very different approach, based on common sense, not the ghettoist, racist gogma, of Migrationsverket".

In The Netherlands the Muslim and African new comers do chase white Dutch infidels (like me) out of their neighborhood. We became strangers in our own country. This is why many of us choose for Geert Wilders and his Freedom Party the way the Danes cherish their DF of Pia Kjaersgaard. We want our country back!!!. Xenophobia is the only weapon left to achieve the goal; otherwise in the near future we will lose are freedom and our country.

It's good that more and more people are starting to wake up. I find it humorous that people want to blame Sweden for all of the problems that the Middle Eastern immigrants create. Sweden gives them a ticket out of their hellhole, puts them in a place to live, gives them free language lessons, gives them money to live on for an unlimited amount of time and in some cases, gives them jobs, gives them mosques, prevents the press from stating names and ethnicities of people so that the public won't know exactly how many Middle Eastern immigrants are committing violent crimes and most importantly, gives them a second chance at life. That is FAR MORE than they would get if they went to any country in any other region of the world. And what is Sweden getting in return? A 900% increase in crime, the highest rate of rape in Europe, stones being thrown at police and fire personnel and oh yeah, lots of new, dirty pizza shops.

THAT is why the Sweden Democrats are gaining strength. Simple.

It sounds like refugees have something to lose by SD gain in public opinion!!!!! HA, there is nothing to lose; otherwise nobody would come to Sweden in the first hand!!

No, the reason the Sweden Democrats are gaining strength is because idiots can't tell the difference between a criminal and an immigrant if they both have the same skin color.

This is great news for Sweden!

Maybe now the major parties will wake up to the fact that Sweden needs a manage immigration policy and not the open door, bend over and take it up the A policy they have had. Then Swedes will no longer have any interest is supporting the idiots like SD.

The politicians that designed Sweden's immigration policy should be awarded medals for stupidity. You just can't suddenly turn what was a very successful homogeneous society into one that is so called "multi-cultural" over night. Why is such a thing in a country like Sweden even considered desireable in the first place?

In my opinion, Canada has done are far better job of integrating immigrants than has Sweden. There are some obvious reasons - 200 yrs of natural multi-culturalism, English language, etc, etc, but Canada has also been more selective about which immigrants it lets in. We prefer people than can be eventually assimulated into the mainstream the society. We have also found that some immigrants are harder to integrate, but we don't seem to be having as much of the problems that Sweden is.

Why does Sweden chose immigrants that are from cultures so different from their own, isolate in ghettos and then wonder why their immigration policies aren't working.

@Greg

Due to ideological reasons. For some it's impossible to recognize that people with certain backgrounds are not likely to succesfully integrate. These people turn a blind eye to certain realities of life.

well said Greg,

Refugee is a person who has no shelter,comes from a war or other hell situation, he did not want to leave his country but he had to ... so he is not ready for a new condition...he does not know languages he maybe illiterate, he may have strong religious believes and ....

An immigrant is a person who wanted to leave his country, he made preparation, he has some skills or some education and he is willing to integrate

I believe the expectations from these two groups are way different

I work in a scientific society here and I see no difference between students and researchers from different races, some are even far better than Swedish students... so I try to see people's mind not their skin color.

On the other hand relating all crimes in Sweden to foreigners is ridiculous. which one was a foreigner , the 15 year old rapist, the boy who killed her sister or the 11 year old boys who raped a 10 year old classmate last week? Please try to think folk!

Back to the article, I am sorry for people who go to Nazi way... why we forget Germany of 60 years ago ...and how the whole world was almost ruined by a stupid mind who believed his race is better..... China is taking over the world by 1/6th of world population and at least half of the worlds power... Volvo is going to be a Chinese brand and here people are thinking of skin color!!!!

Keep it up... maybe there is hope yet for Sweden and Europe. Islam is the threat to all of western civilization.

@Greg in Canada @fridayz

Here are some explanations to recent comments:

1. Both immigrant and refugees are looking for better life and opportunities in their new environment, even though there are completely different stimulus and motivations for the both groups to take the decision to leave their own countries.

2. Principally and historically, immigrant and refugees follow a particular structure in Europe (in contrast with USA) in the case of developing countries, more and less base on the principle of previous colonialism. However, Sweden (Scandinavian) is an exception, a homogeneous society on the edge of Europe near the North Pole. Very few immigrants from developing countries (even refugees) chose to come here, because there was no reason to come. Culturally, Canadians have learned to accept different kind of people (it was a colony itself); one of that few countries, which people still from developed countries immigrate there (very seldom happens nowadays).

3. To be refugee doesn't mean to be unskilled or to be immigrant doesn't mean to be skilled. Sometimes governments around the world have immigrants and refugees to regulate labor market and the acceptation might be purely for economical reason even in a hash labor market condition.

skatty

agree with item 3 you are right :)

Is it that racist party ( Sweden Democrat ) And they are winning? Internet is game one person can give votes 1000 times by using proxy

so it is not reliable I think.

@Typical Whity

That's not what typical Swedes want. Most Swedes don't want to have a anti-liberal countries like Mideastern countries. Although some European countries like Netherlands or France are going to that anti-liberal direction but Swedes don't like it.

@nevon

"No, the reason the Sweden Democrats are gaining strength is because idiots can't tell the difference between a criminal and an immigrant if they both have the same skin color. "

You hit the nail on the head! especially for DrEswd!!

@DrEstwd

Saying "dirty pizza shop" highlights your racial approach to this problem. Yes there is a problem but people like you are also part of it.

If the refugee is a person comes from a war or other hell situation, than why does he deliberately bring the hell, he fled of, to the people who are giving him an opportunity to escape it? http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article1108140.ece

http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0003/13/dokument.html

An immigrant is a person who wanted to leave his country, he made preparation, he has some skills or some education and he is willing to integrate I work in a scientific society here and I see no difference between students and researchers from different races, some are even far better than Swedish students... so I try to see people's mind not their skin color.

This is partially truth. Still it depends highly on the background of the immigrant. A student from the States or an engineer from Poland doe indeed their best to integrate. Speaking the language of the new country is helping making friends and having social life. But this does not go in general for all people; even if they are brilliant.

Reality points out that Muslims do not want to integrate in a society consisting of people with other religion background. There are more than enough examples: starting by the 9/11 guys who had studied in Germany, The Arab doctors from Glasgow and finely the gunman from Fort Hood Texas.

Back to the article, I am sorry for people who go to Nazi way... why we forget Germany of 60 years ago

Being aware of people who endanger our civilization and our freedom, for the sake of a hideous god, has nothing to do with Nazi Germany. The Nazi's had killed millions people in the name of their crooked ideology. The threats of our time are real!.

@Reinaert Thomasson

"If the refugee is a person comes from a war or other hell situation, than why does he deliberately bring the hell, he fled of, to the people who are giving him an opportunity to escape it? "

Because they are also humans and they have criminal, murdurer,...among themselves.

Just for your record, I'm Muslim and i have the highest number of Swedish friends among my other non-Swede colleages (some even from Europe) and I know Swedish better than them. So add me to your list!

The danger of Nazism is not unreal. Hate-crimes against foreigners are increasing in the Europe thanks to the crimes commited by non-Europeans and people like you and your ilk who try to find a relation between people's rligion,race,nationality and their individual qualifications.

Jesus Christ you rednecks are stupid.

Let's do a little math, and let's even use your stupid worthless numbers for it;

There are 75 prisoners for every 100,000 people in Sweden (Real number). These are the people who have been caught and are currently serving jail terms for whatever they did.

Let's assume that 3/4ths of all criminals get away or are not punished as they should be because of lax laws or whatever, and in reality there are 300 criminals (people who have committed crimes and ought to be in prison) per 100,000 people in Sweden (Because according to you rednecks, Swedish police/courts are incompetent and let criminals get away with crime all the time. In reality, this number is much much MUCH lower).

Let's also be stupid racists, and assume that "immigrants" commit 90% of the crime (which is a plain stupid assumption, utterly unrealistic, but let's use it anyway, just to prove a point), which means that there are 270 immigrant criminals per 100,000 people in Sweden.

There are 1.23 million people in Sweden who were born abroad. That is 13.4% of the population. So there are 270 immigrant criminals for every 13400 immigrants in Sweden. Let's cut that down 10000, and assume that 3400 out of every 10000 immigrants are from "white" countries.

So there are 270 brown immigrant criminals for every 10000 brown immigrants in Sweden.

This means that even if we use outrageously stupid and unrealistic numbers skewed in the favor of racists, for every 1 "brown" immigrant who commits a crime, there are 33 "brown" immigrants who abide the law and have never done anything wrong.

This is why people think racists are stupid: you think that we should collectively judge, degrade, discriminate against and punish 33 innocent people (most of which have escaped near certain death/torture/oppression, and who would most likely be dead now if idiots like the SD were in power) just because they have the same skin color as 1 guilty person.

And if we use numbers that actually reflect the truth rather than your stupid white-supremacist fantasy land (immigrants commit 90% of the crime, police/courts can't stop them so they get away bla bla bla), you can be sure that the ratio is more like 1 to 1000. Probably much higher.

People like DreEstwd and other racists want to indirectly or directly punish hundreds of innocent people because they have the same skin color as one person. It's immoral, unjustifiable and frankly, plain stupid.

In their minds though, racists don't even care about the 1 criminal among immigrants. That person is their excuse to punish hundreds of innocent people because they were born in a different country, with a different skin color and a different language. Not because they actually did anything wrong.

This is why you will always be marginal and everyone will think you're stupid; because all it takes is a 6 year old to bust your poor logic and transparent white-supremacist maliciousness.

>>>"No, the reason the Sweden Democrats are gaining strength is because idiots can't tell the difference between a criminal and an immigrant if they both have the same skin color. ">>>

And why is that?? Because it is the Middle Eastern immigrants who are WAY overrepresented when it comes to violent crime! Of course not every person from the Middle East is a criminal but statistics prove that they are far more likely to commit a robbery or violent crime. That is why people feel the way they do. Nothing to do with "racism" or "Nazism." How can that be disputed? >>Saying "dirty pizza shop" highlights your racial approach to this problem. Yes there is a problem but people like you are also part of it.>>

It's not a racial approach. More like a cultural approach. The two cultures cannot continue to live side by side. In contrast to more adaptable cultures such as the Far East Asian or North and South American cultures, many of the people from the Middle East absolutely refuse to try and adapt to the host country. As far as the dirty pizza shop...you'll recall that over 90% of the pizza shops in Halmstad were declared too unsanitary. Also, you'll recall the ones that were caught storing sheep for slaughter in the basement of another shop. That is hideous and not fit for Western society. Nothing to do with race.

i dont hear nothing to do with race. it is muslims people have problems with. islam is not a race it is a mob like religion with strict rules and dicipine esp. for there women.

birds of a feather flock together. well thats bull. i am a american and live by no other americans. also with immigrants in america. they spead out pretty well. i speak no swedish and was able to get a job with out help from anyone. if you look hard enough it is there. i am a electrican nothing special make really good money. i am voting for SD. its not that i am against immigration it is just we need to hand pick like canada, finland, usa,norway. not like holland, uk, spain, denmark,

VOTE SD

@Irani boy

You write about the refugees: because they are also humans and they have criminals, murderers among them.

My question is: Why should the Swedes, Danes, Dutch and all the rest take high risk by harboring people with such a high level of criminality among them? After short (and very bad) experience the policy makers have had to say STOP!. We keep the good apples here and the rotten we send back to the sand. Our citizens gave us a mandate to govern and our responsibility is, in the first place, to OUR citizens. We have to secure their safety. This had not been done!. Policy makers - mostly left wingers - do not care for the safety of the people who had voted for them. Their neglect can be seen as treacherous; the way the Quisling government had been to the Norwegians during WWII.

@Nevon

I admire your math skills. You try hard to convince rednecks like me why we are wrong. You call us even stupid. And you know what? We are!. But we are stupid for other reason. We are stupid for not using our brain and letting policy makers, the EU and the media to deceive us. We are stupid to let the situation go from bad to worse. No one had come to aid elderly and poor locals who did not have the money to escape their neighborhood on time; when the tsunami of refugees/immigrants or what so ever from the Middle East and Africa had turned their life into a nightmare.

It is indeed very stupid to offer your own people as victims only and because other people have trouble in their home land and do not find it necessary to escape to another Muslim or Arab country where they can worship Allah all day long in a place free of Dhimmi’s.

The most stupid of all is to throw expensive tax money on people who hate your guts and do their best to snatch your country beneath your arch while you are sleeping.

I wonder what right an indigenous culture has to protect that culture. I am not saying they do or do not but it is an interesting thought. I live in Malmo and I see a culture that is very much an Muslim-Swedish mix. It is the reality of Malmo and it is not going away. I see more and more head scarfs every day. Is this a bad thing? I don't know....but it is what it is.

The question is whether Sweden will have a violent civil rights movement like in the US or whether change will come about more peacefully. At some point we all have to find some middle ground and understanding. I know in Macedonia the muslims are seeking an autonomous state. Could this happen in Sweden?

Swede's have always been known as a nation of common sense. Hopefully we can look beyond our differences and find some commonalities.

All the comments suddenly disappeared! I shall say no more ......

@Reinaert Thomasson

You're paranoid and delusional, and your rhetoric is very thin. Most Muslim immigrants are normal people looking to have a safe home and food on the table just like everyone else. If you think that all the Muslims are part of a nation-wide religious conspiracy out to get you and end western civilization, you should seek professional help. Seriously.

I've been here for almost 15 years and can say with absolute certainty that this party enjoys far more support than the media or government is willing to admit. I hear the talk at the " fika bord " at work and listen to the parents at the football games and my Swedish friends in their homes. All a result of a failed immigration policy by the Social Democrats. All this nonsense about Swedes being tolerant makes me laugh out loud and shake my head !

I have two neighbors who give me problems because of my race...One refuses to look at me or acknowledge my existence, and the other called me a "jävla invändrar" last winter to my face, but didn't think I understood what it meant...and these are not the only experiences I've had here...

Let me tell you, racism sucks. And it's very much alive and well in Sweden. Perhaps not in-your-face, but it's there under the skin of many and it manifests itself in different ways. I'm American, but I don't "look" American and I don't speak the way I "look". I think that this somehow angers people on top of everything else. It makes it harder for them to marginalize me in a way...

I'm not at all surprised by this little increase and wouldn't be surprised if it continues to grow. It will be interesting/sad to see how many more people become comfortable expressing themselve in this way and begin to support the SD. It's so easy to blame the Other and to want to "preserve" whatever it is you want to call a national/imagined identity.

@DreEstwd

First of all your statistics are baseless. If numbers of criminals from a country is higher that's because more refugees or criminal are coming from that country! or more criminals have been imported from that country. Like I said before, for a half century racists have tried to find a relation between "being bad" and people's race and they have failed. Good luck!!

@Reinaert Thomasson

Nobody forced those countries to accept these refugees. If they do, they should do some initiatives to fullfil the interests of their citizens and to make a better life for these refugees. Unfortunately Sweden accepts too many refugees whithout any proper rehabilitation programs. It's obvious what happens next. Btw, Sweden Democrats and their supporters are satisfied by this mishandling of the situation because they can abuse this to persue their anti-liberal fascist agenda under the cover of anti-immigration slogans. Look at DreEstwd! Sometimes thet reveal themselves!

@Nevon

First of all, I shall recommend you (and other readers) to read the book of Bruce Bawer "While Europe Slept" (2006). The book gives an excellent sketch of the situation in Scandinavia the last 10 years. He himself is living in Oslo and had the joy to have unpleasant encountering with people of your signature. Was Bruce Bawer the time he wrote his book mental ill? Who had started the riots in Malmø December 2008 and January 2009? Alien Baboons? Did you know the Underground and bus attacks of London 2005 were done by Muslims who got asylum in Britain? The Dutch AIVD the German BND and the Danish PET have their hands full by detecting Muslim terrorists on daily basis? Great number of attacks - who did not reach the media - have been prevented (even at the last minute) due to their effort to keep out safety? This is reality Nevon and not hallucinations of a sick brain. Melanie Phillips should not have to write her book Londonistan if the above mentioned was not real.

You write : Most Muslim immigrants are normal people looking to have a safe home just like everyone else. Than why do they have such a high rate of criminality? Why do they cost so much of tax money to the countries who gave them shelter? http://www.danielpipes.org/450/something-rotten-in-denmark

Further you write: if you think that all Muslims are part of a nation-wide religious conspiracy to get you out and end western civilization etc….

The answer is: Yes they are!. In Sweden young Muslims use to wear T-shirt with a graffiti on it: 2030 and the country is ours!....In the riots of Arhus Denmark young Muslims had shouted to the police….We will take this country in due course!

http://canadafreepress.com/2005/klaus111905.htm

In the Netherlands and Belgium the Muslims are gradually forming bigger threat to the stability of the country. This is why so many people giving their vote to Geert Wilders (PVV) and Filip Dewinter (Vlaams Belang).

In some countries they use to say: Not all dogs do have rabies. But if you find even one case, you have to control all dogs.

@Reinaert

Bla blah blah all of these fake conspiracies about Muslims are similar to that of Hitler when he was praparing to make a big giant out of Jews. History repeats. How many Muslims are there on the plant ? a billion? How many Muslim terrorirsts have been found? 10000? So you mean all of these conspiracies for 0.001 population of a group of people? and how can they conquer you countries whithout entering legislation? Apparently your legislation (except for Skandinavia) is mastered by those who have neglected all international resolutions, yet recieve lip-service by European leaders.

Melanie Philips and Gilbert are devoted Islamophobes who happen to be paid political ones rather than racist. Since they are only targeting Muslims. Melanie has recently said that every Muslims who doesn't support Israal is an extremist. She is hardly qualified to prove any conspiracy! As long as people trying to devide people in to bad/good teams, we should suffer!

@Iraniboy-

First of all, I didn't even provide a source for the statistics, yet you still call them baseless...HaHaHa. That just proves that those statistics could come from God Himself and you would still call them, "baseless." Consider yourself exposed.

I could provide several statistics from Brå defending my position but you would call them baseless as well, I'm sure because they don't reflect what you would like to see. How about you provide us with some facts or statistics defending your position?

04:37 November 16, 2009 by Globalnomad

"I've been here for almost 15 years and can say with absolute certainty that this party enjoys far more support than the media or government is willing to admit. I hear the talk at the " fika bord " at work and listen to the parents at the football games and my Swedish friends in their homes. All a result of a failed immigration policy by the Social Democrats. All this nonsense about Swedes being tolerant makes me laugh out loud and shake my head ! "

I've been here for about 1.5 years and have already seen similar stuff, in fact you hear stuff like all the time. At språkpraktik, friends homes and out in the bars.

I love swedes and sweden but the whole we ALL love refugees, aren't racisit thing is nothing but political pc bs. It's not an in your face thing, rather, it's slowly simmering beneth the surface.

@Irani boy

On 2 november 2004 a Muslim terrorist of Moroccan origin had killed Theo van Gogh by slicing his troths. Eight days after the murder the police of The Hague in The Netherlands had raided a house where Muslim terrorist were hiding. One of them had thrown a hand grenade at police officers and injured them.. They have had acted in the name of their god Allah against the infidel Dutch. Mosques in the Netherlands have radical imams who preach that Muslims have the right to steal from the Dutch and even to hearth them according to the Takiyya low in the Koran. Every Muslim has the duty of Jihad. A license to kill even if the infidels give you shelter in time of need!.

Indeed Hitler had done his best to make out of the Jews the ultimate enemy. He had to invent them as enemy!. In Denmark he had no success. The Danes had offered a helping hand by transporting Jews to Sweden. They did even look after their homes and pats during their absence!. The Swedes gave them shelter and saved their lives.

The Jews, who had found shelter in Sweden, hadn't burn schools and police cars, did not attack girls in disco's and beat them half to death. They did not rob and harm their Christian Swedish neighbors. The Muslims behave themselves in Europe as they do, because this is the way they are used in their home to handle people of other faith.

Melanie Phillips is devoted to the truth. She could find very easy sources for her book Londonistan. The Muslims in Britain are supplying the media with crimes on daily basis.

As for the conspiracy theory? Muslims know how to handle democratic rules to their hand and make use of them (even if they themselves despise democracy). Their strategy to gain power is by a) produce as many children as possible. They do not have to bother themselves about the keeping costs; the infidels will do that!. b) Making use of the stupidity of our political elite to bring a never ending tsunami of so called refugees out of Islamic and African countries on costs of tax payers.

They do not care about the near future demographic risks by doing so. After several years the immigrants or refugees are allowed to have citizenship of the country they are residing in (even if they had spent most of their time in jail) and take part in it's policy.

In the Koran there is a sentence: Allah is the God of the East and the West.

We have to say: We do not care if Allah likes to be the god of the East, but in the West he is persona non grata.

@DreEstwd

Something without proof = Baseless , something based on fake proofs = forgery

Like I said before you should have a tough luck to find relation beween people's race and beng good/bad. About people's religion the situation is even worse as there is no reliable source to keep track of people's religion.

@Reinaert

You touched so many issues. I can bring you many example of hate crimes aginst Muslims. Last onne which was so horrific is available on thelocal.de about that poor German Muslim pharemecist who was brutally killed for her Hijab. So please make note that what portion of these Muslims have done this? How can you say that a group of people are doing "X" when only less than 0.001% of them are doing "X" is it fair?

Melanie is a devoted hate speech propagator.

How do you know about the crimes they commited? In all countries and in all period of time, criminal do their jobs well.

So you believe that making too many children will conquer Europe?! We're in 12th century my friend! It worked in 19th and 20th maybe! In 21th century 10 persons who have equivalant wealth of oen million are supporior to that 1 million!! That quote from Koran is wrong. It says Allah is God of two easts and two wests to imply that earth is round. Besides Allah is not for Muslims, Muslims are for Allah. Btw it has nothing to do with our discussion.

@Irani boy

You forget to mention that the crime against the 'Veil martyr' had happened in Dresden. A part of Germany where the Nazis are in power since Hitler became a Kanzler in 1933. Even during the 'DDR days' they had functioned together with the Soviet rulers. Have you ever seen the uniforms of the East German army? Who dares living in such a place? Where people are well known as dangerous? The man Alex Wiens is a lunatic but also a product of his upbringing.

But what are the Muslims boys during the 2006 riots in Paris? They had burned a handicap woman alive in a bus. Were all of them lunatics? Or this is what they learn home? How to hate the people who give them and their family welfare money? If we look into the statistics of hate crimes against migrants and the number of hate crimes conducted by Muslim new comers- the Muslims win!. The damage they bring to every country they reside in, is sky high.

Your theory about the number of people is not correct. Every citizen of country X has the right to vote. Governments come and go by the power of the voters. This is why Morocco and Turkey are encouraging their 5th colony here to take part in politics. Having contact with people in key positions of your own can make them have a second agenda. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is real!.

As I have said before Most European prefer that Allah should stay with his pedophile prophet in the East. We don't want both of them here!. Five years with Hitler and Göbbels were for the Europeans more than enough.

@irani boy

swedish educarion system is said to be very good but i see that it is not true as you don't get the basic logic rules! you cannot even distinguish the diffrences between the categories of religion and nationality. I am from a muslim country but i am not muslim at all. but i face the same kind of discriminations. do you know most of the Turksh, Kurdish, Iranian, etc. refugees are political ones wh do not have nothing to with religion or nationality and just escaped from oppression? have you ever heard about right to asylum or human rights that are above than anyting!!!

you seem very sensitive about the welfare of the europe. do you know how much immigrants' (who are invited by the europeans) labor contributed this welfare of the europe. you should read some history!

you are talking about the 2006 riot in a poverty zone in paris. i am sorry you should read more on how and why that incident happened. do not belive your tv commentator too much, sometimes the reality can be so different than what those biased guys say. in addition, you should read some sociology and political science!

i hope sweden democrats will not send you back to iran.

@ Telos

You pick at Irani boy- but you mean me. Please do not waste your anger on Swedish education, simply because I am no Swede.

I know the basic logic rules and the differences between religion and nationality. You write you are coming from a Muslim country but you are not Muslim. Still you face the same kind of discrimination. You know why? Find the reason in the behavior of your fellow men. I have heard about Christians from Iraq who got asylum in Sweden. Very quickly after their arrival they started misbehaving and went into street robbery, theft and all other playful activities your Muslim equivalents enjoy. On this point you are right: it is not a question of religion; it is more a question of mentality.

Here is the place to mention an exception: the Iranians.

Most Iranian refugees are people who had had belonged the upper class in the time before the Islamic Revolution of 1979. They do it very well in The Netherlands. Take for example prof. Afshin Ellian . He is a lecturer on international law and a writer. These refugees had fled Iran because they are secular and did not want to live under Muslim dictatorship.

Most Turkish, Kurdish, Iraqis and Somali's etc. are not political refugees but economical "Schmarotzers" who like to have Dolce Vita on other people costs. A political refugee has to be a high educated person An analphabet of Koran school pupil can not be a political refugee. From Camels and donkey's you don't learn about politics.

If you want to know how much immigrants had contributed to the economy of European countries pleas see links:

http://www.pi-news.net/2009/11/sozialkosten-fuer-migration-in-europa-daenemark/#more-97980

Further you write: have you ever heard about right to asylum or human rights that are above than anyting!!!

Is it so? Where were the human rights of the Jews and Gypsy's during WWII? They were not entitled to them. Question 2) Why are only west European countries entitled to aid? Your people play very wel the Human Rights and right on asylum partiture. But what do your countries to aid the world?

I have had read enough about the riot in Paris. No study of sociology or political science can explain the horror of burning people alive or killing old French man only because he did not want to let the youth's burn his garbage can.

I have noticed a details that strength my point of view. Non of you is able to look at the mirror. It is always somebody's else fault.

@Vim Fuego

and all the posters of the same opinion. There is no way to integrate a large number of immigrants in a short period of time. Small numbers at a time can be integrated not sure the percentage of the host population but I'm sure there are studies .. Even then carefully managed but as many people have noticed with France etc it can go horribly wrong. . if the immigrants remain in their culture their area will be their culture not the host country forever..

"all the posters of the same opinion. There is no way to integrate a large number of immigrants in a short period of time"

Some immigrants are much easier to integrate than others, but that should have been a consideration before deciding who is allowed in.

This a a genuine "made in Sweden|" problem. I hope you sort can it out.

The government gives them apartments for free.

But the swedes are the ones who are guilty. And evil swedes do not fill all the rich areas with immigrant families. Really evil country. There are plety of villas in Djurgården and Näset! Why only bank CEOs are getting them?

Sweden offers them language studies for free, but the evil swedes continue to talk english to the little poor immigrants.

Sweden offers them Uni studies for free, but the evil swedes do not MAKE the immigrants to get up from their beds and go to study.

Sweden gives them money for every child, but the evil swedes do not give them MORE money.

Sweden arranges internships (I personally know an educator who is arranging those internships), but the evil swedes do not accept them to managing positions with their 3 class education.

They get tax discounts on cars, but the evil swedes do not let them burn the cars.

Sweden gives more than any other country in the world (except Israel) for the new immigrants to integrate, live and work. But still evil swedes are guilty according to Nemesis.

Extremism within immigrants is caused by the evil swedes, but extremism within swedes is caused also by evil swedes, because immigrants are never guilty of anything by definition.

With that, for SOME reason the chinese, korean, polish, english and indian immigrants do not resort to extremism and violence. For some reason they find work and if not - they pimp their education, they learn swedish, they accept the swedish way of working, they do not scream and argue at work, they eat godis and watch Idol on Fridays, they are discussing the weather and laugh whenever a swede makes fun of the people from Norrland. And if not - they are simply leaving.

Well, they are all here.

All of the self-appointed PC Commissars; 'nemesis' 'nevon' and 'gwrhyr'

'nevon' is on fine form with his first order of business the demand of censorship "Dear The Local, Please stop publishing misguiding articles" - except of course misleading articles about how 'valuable' immigrants are to the economy.

'nevon' then quickly slips into favorite abuse mode when the PC agenda is questioned even slightly "Jesus Christ you rednecks are stupid" * "You're paranoid and delusional" * "you should seek professional help. Seriously." - in the Gulag no doubt, eh 'nevon'

I have already summed up the tactics of these three (or most likely just one) duplicitous angry lying commies on a previous thread, in reply to Gwrhyr:

*"You are just another self-appointed PC Commissar of a higher rank of the likes of 'nemesis' 'nevon' and 'Rick Methvan' who use pure abuse to attempt to intimidate, whereas you use cultural dialectics, that is the cultural Marxism that forms the very basis of the PC ideology, as your tactic.

This is formed by the 'critical theory' which dictates that every target of the PC agenda is subjected to, literally, endless criticism until people collapse in confusion and exhaustion around the issue. It has and is applied to every form of normal and traditional morality, especially sexual, family, immigration and judicial matters and it is voraciously applied to all bastions of tradition, morality and national identity.

Hence the targeting of Christianity. *(In this case immigration, race, nationality and identity.)*

If people like you can unpick the glue, the very fabric that makes identity, especially national identity then it leaves the resultant populace confused, divided, frightened and directionless. And that is the whole point.

Each step in itself seems relatively innocuous, if not odd, bizarre, absurd, but each step results in a victory and moves up a tier until the PC view is firmly established and so to even question it is to be subjected to the modern sorcery heresy hysteria: Hate labels and hate smears and the dire attendant consequences that such carefully implemented political branding now carries.

That is where the 'nemesis' 'nevon' and 'Rick Methvan' of the PC world step in, after the job is done, using their new founded power and the only weapons in their armory; indeed to even accuse a heretic is to get them on the defensive immediately and thus steal their dynamic."*

Face it 'nevon' et al:

The SD will continue to grow as its equivalents such as the BNP will as more and more people open their eyes to this nasty, corrosive and destructive PC insanity and there is not thing these self-appointed PC Commissars can do about it other then impotent raging and smearing.

The days of this PC tyranny are ending.

@Reiaert

How do you claim that those commited Paris riots are Muslim when Islam itself denouce bothreing others (including animal i.e.dogs).? Do you ask them? So please stop talking about something that is not possible. It's impossible to evaluate their beliefs unless you directly ask for their religion. Like I(others) said before, someone's name and skin colour doesn't say about it's religion. Believe me!!!

As for your East/West rants I have nothing to say.

@Telos

I understand them very well. How did you imply that? They are different. One is targeted by racists(who believe that their skin colour makes them autmatically good like DreEstwd) the other is targeted by fascists like SD who think there is only one of living correctly and that's what they say! I suggest you not speculate over something you don't know because I'm not an immigrant nor refugee so I'm not effected by any decision that SD may take.

Having met Swedes on holiday I really thought they were nice people. Moving to Sweden proved to me that they are intrinsically racist and want all of us foreigners to become Swedish completely..........mad, superior and dare I say it Nazi!

The Immigrant wedding restriction article is just another form of the whole underlying reality of Swedes.

At the same time it does not suprise me the SD are doing so well.......people here should get out of their little bubble world to learn what it REALLY is out there and that culture is enriched by new people, new ideas.

@ Kooritze

Yes, how dare Swedes expect people that choose to come and live amongst them to live by Swedish standards, morals, traditions and culture.

Anyone would think that these people who want to live in Sweden could stay in their own or similar countries if they wanted to live to completely different and often opposed standards, morals, traditions and culture.

How very "Nazi" of Swedes to expect Sweden to remain recognizably Swedish in character.

@viking warrior;

All your babbling about the macintosh conspiracy etc. seems to indicate that you're just upset because all of your stupid racist arguments were logically dismantled, extensively refuted and exposed as baseless bigotry. It's common for weak debaters to cry about how the other side is calling them names and it's breaking their heart while trying to ignore the substantive refutations which have picked apart their poor cases. It's called a red herring. Or being a crybaby, depending on what you prefer.

@ Irani boy and Telos

Start with Irani boy. You could have asked the question whether the riot boys from the banlieuex of Paris are Muslims, many years ago. At the time there was no internet. Today when we can follow the news of the whole world within minutes from happening, your question has no relevancy.

In my previous posting, I had noticed that Muslims have no self refection and no dignity at all. They accept every crime and every atrocity against Kuffars (infidels) as normal. It is OK!. Mister Allah and his pedophile prophet gave them the right to trash every one who does not care for them. Such people are second rate human beings; even if they try so hard to be good and kiss their dark ass (the left wing parties in Europe).

The Swedes have the rights to be nationalists, and xenophobes if they prefer too!. Sweden is their country and not YOURS!. You are guests in Sweden and the Swedes want you to behave according their behavior code. If you do not like the idea; the door is open. You can take the first plane from Arlanda airport linea rectra back to the sand.

@ nevon

You haven't "dismantled" anything. You never do.

All you ever do is resemble a faeces throwing monkey.

You, your motivations and your tactics are fully exposed.

The people will decide their fate, not you.

And per cent by per cent, Europe wide, they are choosing their fate to be one of national survival.

@Reinaert

Thanks to people like Melanie and you and mainstream media, they are called Muslim because they look like them. But how do you know they are Muslims, you should have a strong ability to read people's mind, eh?

All I can say about you'r empty claim about what Muslims believe is "typical cosnpiracy twadle". You read too much Melanie's article and watch too much Skynews. Use your own logic instead of these speculations. And you have so much dignity and logic with your conspiracy stories and hate comments about Muslims. You're no different to those so-called Muslim extremists who want to implement Islam by force in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran. You have exactly the same ideology. "This is the right way! Everyone should do/think like this and other ways are doomed or shoud be doomed"!!!

For your last paraghraph, I'm sorry but my Swedish friends don't think like you so please pack you bag and leave Sweden :) I like Sweden and I have been treated really good by the vast majority of Swedes I've met.

@viking warrior,

Yeah, racist parties are just sweeping into power all around Europe these days.

No wait, they're not. You're delusional.

Racist parties have very thin rhetoric -which is easily refuted and exposed to be silly- and pretty much no factual basis for all the panic and fear they try to monger. You'd think that if the threat was even one tenth as great as you drama queens claim it is with your incessant whining and ridiculous assertions (Europe is going to end in 50 years! The immigrants are conspiring to take over!), the SD would have a majority in parliament easily.

The fact that they're barely scraping and slithering into parliament with %4 shows that people have more than enough common sense and the SD has pretty much non of it with their bloated alarmist rubbish.

@ nevon

Oh dear. You really are not the brightest are you dear?

I actually said "per cent by per cent, Europe wide, they are choosing their fate to be one of national survival."

And they are nationalist parties, counter to the global tyranny your masters want to impose upon all of use whereby we are all just isolated, divide, insignificant and unprotected cogs in a giant machine.

All a bit above your very limited intelligence, petal.

Best stick to the hateful abuse you are well known for.

nevon. Wow! Woooow! I just finished reading Mein Kampf (my first real book, except them pickup truck magazines) and then I started to click on that computer of my 9th son and came to this forum. So I saw all them numbers that you wrote there and WOOW! I screamed to my wife Meg (who happens to be my sister)- "Meeeg! Look at this smart chap with all them numbers" and she said "Wow. Didn't know that so many zeros exist in the whole entire world..."

So I called my smart cousin (that I had a thing with when we were 'bout 10). She counts our pigs and she is good with numbers and such. She is called Mary Ann.

So Mary Ann says that all the numbers are tip-top... It is just them numbers in the middle that you, nevon, in all the smartness throw as nothing: "and assume that 3400 out of every 10000 immigrants are from "white" countries." Throw it as nothing.. Thingie is, nevon (and I am sure you know it) that there are only 'bout 500K "brownies" in Sweden, since only the Finnish registered immigrants are 450K. Throw in 150K of all other "whities" and you got youself the stats just 'bout right (considering the stats NationMaster)

So there are 270 "brown" criminals on 5000 "brown" immigrants, not 10000. Let's say you, being smart and can read big books are right and the prison population is not 90%, but 75% "brown". Not so crazy eh? Gets back onto earth eh? So that makes 1 criminal "brown" on 22 not criminal "browns". You know what . I'm gonna be large and say that 65% are "browns". That makes it 1 per 25 is a criminal in prison.

Now, like my dad said, before he died on electric chair - everything is known through comparison.

Lets say that the rest of the inmates (100%-65%....meee... mmm...hold on...) oh - 35% are shiny white Aryan brothers. Which makes it out of your difficult statistics - its about 2,400 unruly imprisoned white race members. Then, remembering the 500K browns, we are left with approx 8,5 Mil total whites. So there is one imprisoned white per... 3500 non-criminal whites. Let me say it again, because I am not good with numbers and stuff. Browns 1 to 25. Whites 1 to 3500.

I will leave it like this - just to let you chew on it and think on how you busted the argument... being 6 y/o genius.

It also seems that you, being so smart and all, do not realize that people do not care about the skin colour. Nobody complains about indians, koreans and thai people who come here to work hard and make living. You are trying to distract the attention from the muslims, by screaming about racial discrimination.

I would suggest for you to try and curb your enthusiasm that leads you into straight lies.

@ uncle

Come on now! Lies are all he has!

And abuse, I guess. Leave him with something!

@uncle,

So it's okay to punish to 22 innocent people for 1 guilty person?

Clearly you got too caught up in writing your bland theatrical performance and utterly missed the point. I'll repeat it;

Collective punishment of this sort is unjustifiable and immoral. You can't extend negative consequences on people just because they share the same skin color as criminals. This includes barring asylum seekers from your country and effectively condemning them to death, if your reasoning is that their skin color makes them "more likely" to commit crime.

Stupid rednecks fail to see the obvious while trying to be funny.

@viking warrior;

Yes, as you said, my "masters" are trying to impose "global tyranny" and turn you all into "clogs" in the "great machine".

That's much much more plausible than you being paranoid and delusional.

@ Viking Warrior

The Dutch Prof. Pim Fortuyn had said in one of his speeches:

"I am defending and protecting this country that we have built up over five, six centuries.

What we now have here, goddamn it, is a kind of fifth column. People who are capable of destroying and depleting this country…I have no desire to defend their interests. That is why I tell them: you can stay here in this country but you have to adapt.

I refuse to hear repeatedly that Allah is great, almighty and powerful and I am a dirty pig".

Bruce Bawer had quoted more of Pim Fortuyn words. His book "While Europe Slept" (2006) is a must for every European. Just to get the right picture.

@ Viking Warrior

The Dutch Prof. Pim Fortuyn had said in one of his speeches:

“I am defending and protecting this country that we have built up over five, six centuries.

What we now have here, goddamn it, is a kind of fifth column. People who are capable of destroying and depleting this country…I have no desire to defend their interests. That is why I tell them: you can stay here in this country but you have to adapt.

I refuse to hear repeatedly that Allah is great, almighty and powerful and I am a dirty pig”.

Bruce Bawer had quoted more of Pim Fortuyn words. His book “While Europe Slept” (2006) is a must for every European. Just to get the right picture.

Maybe if you people went out and met a few Muslim people instead of reading books from angry old men, you'd realize that most of them don't think you're dirty pigs and are more concerned with their car insurance than they are with Allah.

@Nevon

I am sorry to tell you that we in the big cities of the Netherlands encounter Muslims in every corner. The worst places to encounter them are buses, trams and city centre. The show their hatred to us openly. They are spitting on young women and girls and call them whores. They often conduct street robbery or hitting persons with no reason at all. I am living in a kind of Dutch Nørrebro where Muslim criminals had occupied the whole neighborhood. They are doing their best to kick the few Dutch who could not leave on time out. Police fears them and so the company who owns the flats.

We have no interest to meet Muslims. We see, hear and read enough of them. Our hope is Geert Wilders and the Partij van de Vrijheid (the Freedom Party PVV) the way the Swedes hope for a meteor rise for the SD. This is as a matter of fact what European today want.

@ Reinaert Thomasson

Precisely.

@ nevon

Well, smarting now Uncle has dismantled your absurdities?!!!

I am glad you took me up on my suggestion that you stick to the hateful abuse you are well known for.

But tell me petal, where do you think this the-whole-world-in-our backyard coupled with the there-is-no-identity approach within the frameworks of the emerging federal states such as the EU are leading? To national bliss?!

We are all being ground down to a nub and forced to accept that we have no identity or belonging anywhere in the world. Of what purpose could even your peanut brain conceive it to be for in all reality?

It is not just Sweden that is subject to this non-stop assault by the PC Commissars such as yourself, it is every western nation.

Where can those who want their own identity go?

@Reinaert Thomasson,

That's funny, I've lived in the Netherlands too and I've come across plenty of Muslims. Non of them ever spat on me or called me names.

The ones I didn't talk to seemed timid and more concerned with getting home with their groceries in time rather than anything else.

The ones I did talk to were quite polite if a little shy.

Surprisingly, none of them tried to murder me or insult me. None of my Dutch friends, who still live in NL have encountered such behavior to my knowledge, and it's certainly not as proliferated as your imaginative (see: LYING) little mind tries to paint it.

I'm sure there are horrible Muslims who hate infidels and go around spouting the same racist rubbish you do, albeit from the other side. I'm sure some of them are violent, and radical.

Here's the fact though;

If you have any ounce of common sense, or have been out of your house and met any Muslims, or if you expect anyone to give you any credibility, you will know that the vast majority of them are much more concerned about their monthly credit card payments than they are about Allah. They're regular people. They're not all members of a secret cult. They don't have secret sex programs designed to out-breed Europeans.

Stop being delusional.

@viking warrior,

Yes, I am a member of a global conspiracy designed to wipe out... national identity. Please keep sounding more and more crazy.

Yes, nevon.

If every 23rd person that we are taking into the country will be sentenced to prison time - I say - do not bring the 23 people. every hundred will have 4 rapists, thieves, robbers, murderers and drug sellers. For each thousand - 40 additional additional criminals. For each 10 thousand - 400. For each hundred thousands - four thousand people who will be convicted in Swedish soft courts!

How many wife beaters, tax evaders, own children torturers and other never convicted people would you like to have in here?

When is the critical number for you? 5 thousand? 10? 100?

I do not see you begging for the convicted criminals to live in your neighborhood, although only about 70%-80% of them will commit crime again. Why not? What is your critical mass of reasoning?

IMHO, when the ratio is changing from 3500 to 22 - there is a reason to START THINKING, which you do not seem to do, since you are busy trying to humiliate and overwhelm your opponents with your rich curse vocabulary.

BTW the word "Redneck" equals to "Nigg..." - just for the whites. It is as filthy and as racist.

So good example setting for tolerance and love to the little poor refugees and others in general.

But, you, as an extremely wise person, probably know all of this.

@Uncle,

The critical number for me is 0, which is the entire point of that exercise. That is the maximum number of people you can directly or indirectly punish for the crimes of someone else, especially for as disgusting a reason as common skin color, and claim it is just, moral or acceptable.

An asylum seeker faces harm, torture and most likely certain death. People like you would condemn them to death, not because they've done anything wrong, but because someone the same color as them did, and thus you make the ridiculous conclusion that they will also.

Innocent until proven guilty holds for all mankind. It's not dependent on the crime rate some stupid redneck pegs to your skin color by using really poor pseudo-logic.

@ 'nevon'

Lying is the natural part of 'critical theory' of the cultural Marxists, and so is declaring your 'benign' intentions, masking your wolfs form in sheep's clothing whilst you steadily challenge the logically unchallengeable; obfuscate the truth and steadily sow the seeds of doubt.

Its what the PC Commissars such as yourself do. It's your function.

Nothing you say can be taken as truth. Not a word.

And by the way, we all know the EU is a reality. A federal super state out of the ostensibly purely commercial EEC. It has ended up exactly where it was always meant to be, even if it has taken 50 years of small steps, creeping and lies.

Where is it going?

Obviously it's going to evolve into a totalitarian super-state, ruled by a small oligarchy of cyber-Jews. These half-human, half-cyborg abominations will keep us all as their slave labor, using us for menial tasks and making us fight in the great solosseums for their evil entertainment, letting us rest only on the Shabbat. The Muslims are merely the toys of the Zionist conspiracy, we should not be angry at them! They will unwillingly take over Europe by breeding, at which point the malicious cyber-Jews will activate the mind-control devices they have hidden over the decades in every single Quran on the planet, assuming ultimate control.

We have two hopes; one is RoboJesus and the second digital coming. The other is a bunch of angry little racists who post comments on The Local and pitifully expect someone to believe them.

Seriously. Go out and meet some Muslims. Just start a conversation with the first brown person you see, buy them a cup of coffee and realize that they're normal human beings like everyone else, and probably even more annoyed than anybody with radical islamists because they give them a bad name.

Being an antagonistic little redneck is irritating and utterly pointless.

But you see, you have started with the statistics - proudly declaring how you burst the dumb arguments of the "stupid rednecks blah blah blah"... Your arguments were not checked for quite a while until they were. Now, the liberal BFF of every muslim in the world does not care about statistics... Now statistics are an evil tool used by the stupid rednecks... This shows some sort of inconsistency in the argument, wouldn't you agree?

What you are consistent with is with your aggressive names, which is merely a smoke covering lack of argumentation. This is a part of viking warriors argument that you just cannot get.

And you should also propagandize lowering the insurance cost for young males because it unrightfullly aimed at a certain group based on some stupid stats. The insurance people just need to sit in a coffee shop with a 21 y/o and see how they are upset at the idiots that drive fast.

Yes, because car insurance is the same as asylum, torture and death, right? Only if you're dense enough.

I didn't care about statistics from the beginning, the exercise was to point out that no matter how ridiculous your numbers are (and they usually are), your argument still fails on multiple levels.

It's not liberalism, it's common sense. Do you really need to be a liberal to acknowledge that people are innocent until proven guilty, and you shouldn't condemn people to death based on their skin color? I thought it was a prerequisite for being a HUMAN BEING.

Seriously, you should go and live with sharia law enthusiasts in Somalia. That would suit your mentality much better than western concepts of fairness, justice and morality. Surprised? Don't be. You might not be as brown as they are, but you're certainly as illogical and malicious, which is what counts in the 21st century. It's right where you belong.

@ nevon

How much time you must have on your hands to come up with such long winded fantastic bilge! But then again, who would employ a self righteous big mouthed fanatic like you?!

'nevon' the self-appointed PC Commissar descends into mental breakdown as his lies and shallow tactics are exposed post by post!

Face it, you are insignificant. You and your screaming hate labels are wearing off.

*"you should go and live with sharia law enthusiasts in Somalia"*

Why bother when they are here in Sweden in droves?

Or all over Europe?

They even have thier own Sharia courts in the UK thanks to idiots like you.

Coming here soon....

I hope you are the first infidel they deal with, you are just so deserving!

Thanks Nevon

I need to repeat this. It's ver nice an easy but some people find it hard to digest.

"The critical number for me is 0, which is the entire point of that exercise. That is the maximum number of people you can directly or indirectly punish for the crimes of someone else, especially for as disgusting a reason as common skin color, and claim it is just, moral or acceptable"

Europe had already experienced fascism. Mideast is experiencing it now. Europe is susceptible to get it in near future if we have more Gilberts,SD,Uncles,...

When we know that certain alien groups behave in grossly violent, criminal and anti-social ways, we have every right to protect our people and pre-emptively prevent these people from coming into our country, we now know for instance:

In Denmark non-whites committed 68% of all rapes, and it was revealed that non-whites were over-represented in all crime by an average of 46% and in Copenhagen 47.5% of prisoners on remand for serious crimes were non-white. In Norway it was found that two out of three charged with rape in Oslo were non-white and that every case of aggravated sexual assault ending in rape over the past three years was committed by immigrants, whilst in Sweden it as found that a rapist was four times more likely to have been born abroad - with Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominating the group of rape suspects and that non-whites were responsible for 25% of all crime in Sweden A survey in Australia found that in Melbourne magistrate's courts, offenders from the horn of Africa and the Middle East were 20 times the representative proportion of their population…

When we know these things, we have every right, in fact an overriding duty to protect our people, especially our women, from the what we know will be a massive and exponential increase in violent and sexual crime.

'nevon' knows these figures are true as someone linked to them all on this site before and in true PC Commissar style, he tried to suppress the truth by getting the links removed by screaming 'racism' as the truth, at facts!

The lies of the PC Commissars, the likes of 'nevon' do not stand up to reality for two seconds and that is why they have to suppress it with hate smears and censorship.

It's funny (and sad) how you're not even from Sweden but it's suddenly "our people" and "our country". No one in their right mind would want to be associated with you, much less have you speak on their behalf (in Sweden or anywhere else for that matter). Question 20 "white" people, and 19 of them would prefer to call a level-headed Swedish Muslim "my people" rather than some crazy American white supremacist.

Actually. It suddenly dawned on me. Do you know who you sound exactly like?

Some radical Islamist cleric, declaring Jihad on behalf of all his Muslim brothers on the infidels.

Even though the vast majority of Muslims think he's insane, wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot stick, are happy living the way they are, and would frankly consider the "infidels" to be better than he is, he insists on being the spokesperson. That's you, with a different skin color.

See viking warrior. You're white, the radical cleric is brown, but you're both essentially the same. Here's some more proof that it isn't what color you are but what's in your head that makes you a good person or an angry filthy little racist turd.

(LOL @ you being the same as the people you are supposedly against. Logical breakdance! \o/)

Yip, like I said 'nevon' the game is up and all you have is your nasty little fantasies and hate smears. They intensify in magnitude every time you are faced with ruin.

Even your smears are obvious lies and indicative of compulsive liar: You have no idea in reality where I am from but you state as fact that I am a foreigner regardless.

That sums you and your whole 'ethics' and ideology up perfectly: A blind hateful lie.

I am Swedish, Nordic and proud. And you are a traitorous PC Commissar disgrace.

Anyway, getting back to the truth and leaving aside your obvious distractions - a tactic I have detailed above all employed by the self-appointed PC Commissars when faced with such shattering truths as above - here is the real situation that your poisonous multicult has got us into, and the truth that no doubt you have been furiously trying to suppress again with your sock puppets, screams of 'racism' and the abuse button:

In Denmark non-whites committed 68% of all rapes, and it was revealed that non-whites were over-represented in all crime by an average of 46% and in Copenhagen 47.5% of prisoners on remand for serious crimes were non-white. In Norway it was found that two out of three charged with rape in Oslo were non-white and that every case of aggravated sexual assault ending in rape over the past three years was committed by immigrants, whilst in Sweden it as found that a rapist was four times more likely to have been born abroad - with Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominating the group of rape suspects and that non-whites were responsible for 25% of all crime in Sweden A survey in Australia found that in Melbourne magistrate's courts, offenders from the horn of Africa and the Middle East were 20 times the representative proportion of their population…

That is the plain Gods honest truth of it all.

You are a disgrace.

Oh, yeah. You really proved everyone wrong! You showed us, nevon! We are laying on the floor in awe of your verbal abilities and solid argumentation..

Funny that you bring up Somalians by the way. A nation that pooped their own country and don't even have the whites to blame... No colonists, no world wars, no oppression. Just did not oppose enough some muslims when those started to come to the country and look what it turned into!

Let's accept EVERYONE who wants to come and claims that he is in life danger! Nobody reasonable will go and check it, right (you should know it, as reasonable and realistic, as you are) ? So EVERYONE who wants to come and says a magic word is welcome by nevon!

But not only this. Not only the tens of millions that Sweden should accept, the swedes should speak swedish to them, they should provide them with jobs on the spot. They should teach them skills and provide them with free apartments all over Sweden and not in ghettos, like some wonderful liberals demanded here.

Swedes should offload their taxes on the somalian/iraqi/irani/sudani integration because otherwise the poor little immigrants will turn to extremism and the PC squad will blame the evil Swedes for being evil!

If the millions that nevon brought here will not be taken care of (fed, educated, massaged and given money) immediately - then the swedes should not be surprised if their cars are burning!

The PC reasoning is steel as always.

@Uncle and Viking Warrior

Our minister of Immigration and Integration Eberhard van der Laan had today declared that The Netherlands was to soft to New comers (he did not want to use the Dutch word Allochtoon). The reactions of readers in Elsevier were devastating. The Dutch are fed up with the New Comers, their brown skin, their crooked religion, their filthy mentality and all the rest. Enough is enough. If guys like Nevon are not happy in Sweden, than why the hell they are staying there? Why ain't they go back to the send or the jungle where they came from? Why it has to be our business that ill mannered, dark skinned guys, with savage unpleasant character do bully other dark skinned ill mannered types somewhere on the globe? They do it most of the time in the name of Mr. Allah. If they have any complaints he is the address where they can direct their hysterical outbursts- not the Swedes, not the Dutch, not the Danes or others. We have our life- they have their own. Mr. Nick Griffin of the British BNP had said that the EU has to defend it's naval borders (20 sea mills from any European coast) even by torpedo's. If I read what Nevon about other people say's; I am afraid he is absolutely right. We have to stop intruders at all costs.

@Uncle and Viking Warrior

Our minister of Immigration and Integration Eberhard van der Laan had today declared that The Netherlands was to soft to New comers (he did not want to use the Dutch word Allochtoon). The reactions of readers in Elsevier were devastating. The Dutch are fed up with the New Comers, their brown skin, their crooked religion, their filthy mentality and all the rest. Enough is enough. If guys like Nevon are not happy in Sweden, than why the hell they are staying there? Why ain’t they go back to the send or the jungle where they came from? Why it has to be our business that ill mannered, dark skinned guys, with savage unpleasant character do bully other dark skinned ill mannered types somewhere on the globe? They do it most of the time in the name of Mr. Allah. If they have any complaints he is the address where they can direct their hysterical outbursts- not the Swedes, not the Dutch, not the Danes or others. We have our life- they have their own. Mr. Nick Griffin of the British BNP had said that the EU has to defend it’s naval borders (20 sea mills from any European coast) even by torpedo’s. If I read what Nevon about other people say’s; I am afraid he is absolutely right. We have to stop intruders at all costs.

I think the most dangerous people in the world is what I call "easylist". Those are the kind of people who give power to people it should NEVER be given just because their are "not bad, but mentaly lazy" and do not think about sideffects of the "cure".

This is fron the SD site:

"The critical ingredient of a safe, harmonic, solid and supportive society is the common identity, which in turn requires a high degree of ethnic and cultural uniformity amongst the people."...."such a society is therefore ethnically homogenous"...."The different cultures are mankind's common heritage and they should be acknowledged and kept apart for the benefit of us all."

Is there anybody that can think this is not racist???!!!

The Muslims would be the 1at target, but ... ANY NORMAL, NOT MENTALY DISABLE PERSON WHO CAN READ KNOWS THAT THE TEXT I PASTED UP THERE SAYS THAT THEY DON'T WANT ANY - F**G - BODY HERE THAT AIN'T NORDIC!!! Plain an simple.

"The Sweden Democrats believe that immigration, Islamization, supranationality (e.g., the European Union), cultural imperialism (mainly from the USA), and globalisation are threats to Swedish culture. ".... "They are in favor of the traditional nuclear family and believe that every child should have "one father and one mother," according to their website."

So, 1st the Muslims; then all the other immigrants; then they'd go for any Swede who seems to be "different" or a bit far from ultra-conservative values. And finaly they wanna isolate the country from any external relation coz that's a threat (just like the radical Muslims talk about the EVIL WEST.. same s**t) and transform the country in a big farm.

Those are the side side-effects of this stupid cure agains muslim-overpopulation you easylist, mentaly lazy and plain dump people wanna apply just because you are lazy to think and/or see forward.

In Denmark non-whites committed 68% of all rapes, and it was revealed that non-whites were over-represented in all crime by an average of 46% and in Copenhagen 47.5% of prisoners on remand for serious crimes were non-white. In Norway it was found that two out of three charged with rape in Oslo were non-white and that every case of aggravated sexual assault ending in rape over the past three years was committed by immigrants, whilst in Sweden it as found that a rapist was four times more likely to have been born abroad - with Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominating the group of rape suspects and that non-whites were responsible for 25% of all crime in Sweden A survey in Australia found that in Melbourne magistrate's courts, offenders from the horn of Africa and the Middle East were 20 times the representative proportion of their population…

@ Viking, uncle and all the others who are fed up of the crimes and all that done by the immigrants.

Letäs say that it's true (why not - anyway that ain't what I'm dicussing here). Even like that, being true that most of crimes are commited by immigrants or Muslims or whatever; --- Do you guys realy think that voting for the SD is the RIGHT solution? I mean, yes... it might be a solution to THAT, but what about all the other things? Have you realy spent 2 minutes thinking about that without the anger and hate the immigraton problem has created in you? To me it sounds like blowing up your whole house to get rid of a couple of bugs you have in it.

rumcajs - you are right. The shaved headed SD members are AS awful and violent as the people that they hate. Nobody wants to support these MOFOS.

However one can be against unlimited and unchecked immigration AS WELL as for suppressing neo-fascists.

The entire argument started from "swedes are horrible and therefore THEY are extreme, whereas the extremism of muslims is born BECAUSE of swedes". Then the PC army started whith such bull, that it became a joke.

Sweden cannot accept whoever would like to live here. The values and views on life, law and economy is extremely different from the countries that the immigration is flowing from. Not because they are worse as people, but becasue they are different.

If they do not like it in their motherland - they fight and die and explode and scream and torture (both opposition and the governments).

The opposition in Sweden cannot be introduced in the same ways, however demanding from people to change - is not democratic.

Democracy IS a democracy, because majoriy of the people decided that it is the best for them. But what if democracies all of a sudden become attractive to people who are used to demanding their will through non-democratic ways?

Should we democratically let them come in millions and by that harming our democracy, or should we limit this to people who will strengthen democracy and help the society? Is Canada racist? No, but it does discriminate on socio-economic basis and therefore their immigrants are pumping their level of quality of life up instead of dragging it down.

I can bet with you that if one measures the entire Somalian society that is arriving here in thousands by comparing the costs related to the society with the revenue generated by their taxes - we will see a peculiar picture. As I said before here, the mentality of Cenral Africa is not compatible with the concepts of time and completion of work the way is is percepted in the west. Therefore even cleaning company owners are struggling with them.

How do you fix that? Not that the next generation is better... Since the parents do not fit in the job market, the kids are poor, not attended, violent and desparate (and they are many)..

There is no way to fix it. Even free education and free cash will not create a feeling of value of education in this society. It usually takes centuries to build these values.

Not one "shaved headed SD member" in this SD conference and not one word of anything but common sense in this SD speech by Kent Ekeroth:

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/11/winds-of-change-in-sweden.html#readfurther

Viking warrior, perhaps I am generalizing, but I saw several times guys that give away the SD brochures. I am sure you would not like the looks of them either.

Black boots, black pilot coats, shaved heads etc. This is a huge problem. Whenever one politician starts to talk about immigration limitation, huge amounts of all sorts of filth start to join him. Of course the politicians in SD are not extreme even in swedish terms, but the cute shiny-headed youth joins them for the lack of a real short-mustached leader. Very unfortunate. It harms the reputation of the party.

I read your link - the guy indeed does not call to eliminate the muslims, but start filtering the crowd coming in. AND send home the ones that commit crimes. Good one