July 30, 2010
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Sweden's enterprise minister Maud Olofsson laid responsibility for the sale of Saab firmly at the feet of owner GM on Friday, hitting back at criticism from Saab CEO Jan Åke Jonsson.
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She will never guarantee any loan, but I bet she's praying that someone will buy SAAB thus making her look good, this is wrong playing with peoples jobs. If GM does decide to close Trollhättan, no one can blame them, they have invested an awful lot of money over the years and never received anything in return, and they owe Sweden nothing. But the impact will affect thousands of people in Sweden, not just SAAB workers but the entire supply chain as well as local businesses.
These people will then hold their hands out for benefits, and how much will that cost.
Her resignation I think.
Yes sad that jobs will go but thankfully we have a prudent government that wont bail them out. Its a brave decision considering there is an election in less than a year.
GM has been bailed out by Germany, Sweden and the USA.
http://www.thelocal.de/money/20091125-23507.html
I would suggest doing some research into GM's worldwide activites recently.
http://www.thelocal.de/money/20091124-23485.html
GM have been playing different governments of each other.
GM are a bunch of corporate raiders of European patents, industrial capacity and the communities that depend on them.
SAAB has been asset stripped by GM.
SAAB has been patent stripped by GM.
SAAB has had its very good brand name badly damaged by GM.
All European assets should be stripped of GM and the company banned permanently from Europe.
We need long term planning in Europe, not short termism from an American corporate raider.
SAAB should be closed and then given to Konegsegg with a blank slate.
Why should the Swedish industry minister resign because a bankrupt car manufacturer can't sell the cars it makes? SAAB hasn't made one single cent of profit for the last 20 years. On the contrary, it has cost its various shareholders billions in financial support. Why on earth should the Swedish taxpayer pick up the bill? Just for the romantics of the name and its history?
The automobile industry has been around for more than 100 years now and all sorts of wonderful makes and designs have unfortunately gone bust or been taken over and dispappeared into oblivion. Such, unfortunately, is life. At the same time, I find it strange that nobody wants to buy up SAAB's expertise without necessarily continuing to produce the same cars - which are too "exclusive" and too expensive for most normal consumers.
I agree that Maud O is praying that someone will buy SAAB, because it's a political hot potato with job losses and collateral damage. But Ohly and Sahlin are barking completely up the wrong tree by demanding that the Swedish state take over SAAB.
SAAb has no expertise left.
All patents have been put into the GM patent database.
SAAB has no more patents.
SAAB has been patent stripped by GM.
It is a production line and a brand name.
The government should close SAAB. Take the brand name. Then give it to Konegsegg.
Otherwise it will be a slow very painful death.
I guess you're right. One more reason for the Swedish government not to support SAAB financially.
The fact is that other EU governments have actively engaged in discussions with GM to ensure that their citizens get a fair deal - Sweden has done nothing and the Swedish press will sooner or later be bringing this up.
GM has no real responsibility other than to its shareholders and are unlikely to take in any human element of this situation in any decision over Saab. With 7 months 'till selection I suspect the Swedish government will be getting a little twitchy about this situation. And the opposition will look to capitalize.
And yes, the opposition and socialist press are looking to capitalize on this issue. Who wouldn't? But I don't think they'll get much political capital out of it - indeed probably the opposite in the long run.
I agree.
Support should be cut of and GM made to pay back all loans and monies recieved.
SAAB is literally only a production line and a Brand name. Nothing else is left.
GM asset and patent stripped SAAB.
What worries me now, is the number of upcoming job loss's. It is not just the Trollhatten were there will be problems.
In a föreningen I am a member of in Skåne, 8 people rely on outsourced contract work from SAAB to support them and there families. I can see how this will work on the ground. People will lose there homes if they lose there jobs.
All over Sweden there are numerous suppliers who are already under strain. This could literally knock out anywhere from 10000, up to 20000 jobs all over Sweden. That would be catastrophic. If that happens I hope the Swedes remember that GM with there false promises and patent stripping are to blame.
Since you hate Sweden so much, here is some helpful suggestions for you.
Goto blocket.se and sell your belongings.
Goto Hemnet.se and sell your home.
Goto flysas.com and get a flight out of Europe. I would suggest Dubai as you would fit in best there. Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Quatar, USA and Kuwait would most likely be good second choices for you.
Please don't come back. Sweden and Europe does not need people like you holding it back, with your medieval mindset.
Whilst I agree with the refusal to guarantee loans to the out of their depth Koenigsegg, she has produced no value or initiative in this issue nor shown that she cares about one of Sweden's renowned companies. If anything she has been obstructive. It is irrelevant whether they are publicly or prviately owned, such is the importance of the brand to Sweden as a nation.
I hope that concerted pressure will force her to walk the plank and do all of Sweden a favour.
Workers have rights for good reason. In Europe all workers have rights, as it should be.
Slavery is illegal in Europe. You may personally find slavery being illegal strange, but in Europe it is illegal and normal to see slavery as wrong.
As I said previously, if you don't like the Swedish way of wokring, go elsewhere. There is obviously nothing in Sweden for you.
If you are against workers rights I suggest you move to a country such as Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Quatar, USA, Somalia, North Korea or Kuwait, were you will find people with a similar outlook to you.
In my previous message you will find good instructions for leaving Sweden.
The difficult equation is that Japan, Korea and quickly China will be able to produce cars that are cheaper yet as well put togehter as SAAB.
In many ways, this issue is bigger than Saab. Saab is the canary in the mine. Sweden is going to become a service oriented economy very quickly. Restaurants, programmers, and fashion designers will be the result. The middle class will shrink.
With strong unions and a heathy democracy, this means that the poor will continue to demand middle class benefits. This will work for a while...then the Krona will suffer. Of course this will occur accross many other western nations as well.
I must say what a load of short sighted waffle. SAAB doesn't need a penny from the government, they only ask for the European loan guarantee from the government. The tax payers will cough up more if SAAB closes, this would be totally irresponsible of a government to allow this to happen.
It is a government's job to create and maintain employment.
As for a prudent government, well aren't all conservative governments prudent, with the people yea, but not with themselves.
As already pointed out SAAB would have closed in the 80's if GM had not bailed them out, I do know that Ford looked at SAAB's books at the time and didn't go any further.
Democracy does not lead to poverty. Does Cuba and Iran have a healthy middle class in your eyes, due to them not being democratic?
Japan can no longer produce cars cheaper than Sweden. Korea will also be the same soon.
The Reason SAAB is not doing well is because the USA model of greed first with no long term planning does not work. A good example of that is the recent financial crisis.
Healthy democracy creates wealth.
Let's face it, Sweden needs strong ideological governance. It relied on that to bring its citizens out of agrarian poverty and into the world's highest living standards within two generations. And Olofsson shows how lack of vision results in Sweden sinking like MS Estonia.
The Alliance government has failed its own voters by ruling in such a lackluster way. They simply did not figure out a way to integrate their ideals with the reality of Sweden today... it's as if they have had no plan, no actual map of how they can integrate their ideals into the Swedish model without causing voter backlash and without breaking the Swedish model. They simply decided to sit in their offices and respond to each new situation as if it wasn't related to anything else within Swedish society or history. A fatal mistake which will cost them re-election in 2010.
Well written with good points.
Just some of the SAAB innovations that Godam awful Motors wanted and got its asset stripping hands on
1958: Safety Belts as standard
1963: Dual Brake Circuits
1969: Headlamps switch off with ignition
1970: Headlights wash and wipe
1971: Energy Absorbing Bumpers
1971: Electrically Heated Seats
1972: Side Impact Protection
1976: 3-Way Catalyst Converter
1976: Turbocharger
1978: Collapsible Steering Column
1978: Cabin Air Filter
1980: APC
1982: Asbestos-free Brake Pads
1985: Direct Ignition
1991: CFC Free Air Conditioning
1995: Ecopower
1997: Electronic Brake Force Distribution
During the 90's with GM as a 50% owner, the innovations coming out of SAAB slowed down. Since 2000 with 100% Godam awful Motors in charge the innovations have largely disappeared and more environmentally friendly and fuel efficient engine research has been stopped. The technological flair is still there, it just needs an owner with the vision to enable SAAB cars to be a world leader again. The governments hands off stance is playing into the hands of GM who will close down SAAB and walk away with stolen innovations.
GM saya that SAAB made a loss. They actually maade aprofit on European sales. But all the money from US sales went straight into GM US while the production cost was levied on SAAB Sweden.
A typical bit of crooked accounting by GM
Or boycott the import or purchase of all cars made by those Japanese or Chinese car company...
Should we boycott all GM products?
ha ha
I love my SAAB and I'm saddened by its outcome but aren't some of you stretching a bit far with your blame? In the end, a business exists to make money. There are many reasons businesses fail, and there are far too many good businesses failing in these hard times, SAAB is just one of them.
Why dont all you anti-capitalist pool your money and buy this company?
Oh thats right because most in sweden are on welfare and have no drive to excel. They just lay around mommies house and whine on blogs all day how their laziness is some capitalist fault.
"Healthy democracy creates wealth." Well stated.
I hope Sweden will debate the larger implications of Saab and Volvo's troubles and through the democratic process enable policies that will push the Swedish economy forward. These policies might be public initiated or private (with public support).
My point was that as Sweden de-industrializes (with the collapse of Saab & Volvo)...the middle class might shrink and democracy will be run by a larger and larger group of poor. I can't predict what the outcome will be. I can't even say for sure that as Sweden de-industrializes that it will lead to greater poverty. This is a fascinating future...
I would hope that Sweden could keep some of its industry. I'm on the side that thinks that it is ulimatley good for industry to stay so that we can live to fight another day... once we're out, then that whole segment will be out of reach to us.
Any brilliant Economic minds out there that can enlighten us?
Is Sweden sui generis? A special, unique country that can successed where others are failing?
Maud - YOU represent the people. They are hurting and scared tonight and you dare to turn your back on them? What kind of person thinks like this? A bit of help could save thousands of families? What hardened you and Frederik so?
Support the Wyoming Group!
You are turning your back on all those precious union jobs that the swedish goverment is expected to protect and fight for tooth and nail!
We used to hear western democracies and capitalism condemning communist countries for using state money to support their inefficient and outdated industries.
Now we hear everyday ,,, from the US to UK to Sweden, calls for government to pump tax payer money into failed companies.
ha ha
Someone earlier mentioned that it is the government's job to make sure that people have jobs. But it really isn't and in fact the more the gov't tries to do the worse they'll make it. Markets always work best with minimal intervention and regulation.
Part of the problem of Sweden's recession right now is the union's arbitrary wage prices. As soon as wages are set arbitrarily above current market value you start to see an economic recession. And lets not forget that over the past few decades this country has gone through a number of them, and will continue to do so as long as they stick to this formula.
It does suck that a lot of people will lose their jobs, but hey, thats business. If the company is so screwed that no other companies in the world want them, they probably aren't worth saving anyway. Hopefully someone new will come in and take whatever market share is left over.
No government should be held to ransom by a company. If the operations of this company are unprofitable and there are no buyers, then it needs accept that change comes with time, sometimes for the good and other times for the worst. I understand that there is a lot of feelings and connection with the Swedish society towards a strong brand name, and GM will try and use this to their benefit if allowed to. Maud Olofsson has made the right decision, government funds should never be used for backing large companies that consistently fail.
My questions is simple, show me a businessman that would purchase a company that has not made a profit in 20 years, and here you will find an IDIOT!
I think a cashed up Chinese car maker will buy it and strip SAAB down to one model, sinking money in to that model and push it upmarket with the idea to sell low volumes. This will maintain the SAAB name in the world market.
The real money and motivation behind the purchase will be the ability of them to put a known brand name on the front of their locally sold cars. To give the Chinese SAABs some credibility at home, they have the SAAB Swedish based design and engineering group (rebuilt from scratch if necessary) developing a range of "upmarket" Chinese built SAAB's for middle class Chinese who want something better than "Geely" or similar on the badge of their new car.
If they can get it right, they will be able to sell Chinese SAAB's around the world eventually.
Sweden's wages are actually on average 30% cheaper than many other countries in Europe (for example Germany).
The Swedish governemnt should not be held to ransom but it SHOULD at least pay an interest in its industry and its citizens. Take example from other European countries who use political influence ie Germany, Belgium and now even the UK to get a fair deal for their voters.
At the moment Saab is in a precarious position but it does have new models waiting to go and some parties willing to invest. .
SAAB has been run this way, as if the consumer has similar needs, but with the fuel the price it is, and the majority of us in Sweden only needing to make a 10-20 km daily commute, SAAB's extant models do not fit the bill of what's needed over here.
That, combined with GM's resistance to changes in effeciency and environmentally friendly technologies has led to SAAB's downfall. It may have been doing badly before GM bought in, but GM must still answer for its poor performance in the end. That's also a part of doing business.
That is an inane comment! All civilised countries have wage agreements - have you ever heard of minimum wage??? And if it is 30% less in Sweden then what has this got to do with anything???
Why do you consider that the Swedish government should contribute towards a failing motor industry, which has declined since the Japanese consistently are able to manufacture vehicles that are highly profitable, reliable and better quality.
You are also clearly ill-informed, because the cost for a company employing staff in Sweden is yearly salary plus 50%.
If you also did some homework you would find that Sweden has devalued their currency three times in the past twenty-five years, and this gives Sweden a competitive advantage over other countries (cheaper costs) in relation to foreign direct investment.
And yes, SAAB have some new models in the pipeline, but the question you might need to consider first is that they have a huge stockpile (over 100,000) of vehicles that have not yet been sold, and who would even consider buying one when the new and used car market for SAAB's is going to fall like a lead ballon.
It seems your a great armchair analyst with your theories.
Who said anything about the government contributing financially? What I said was that they should start representing their industry and citizens in the same way that other countries governments are doing right now. It seems after great media pressure that is what they are now going to do and we will see them fly to Detroit on Monday. Let's be clear I am not hailing for financial support but a bit of competent country management. On the wages point - the cost blue collar wages in the auto industry ore 30% cheaper in Sweden than in Germany. Also according to recent media reports Saab's stock has been drastically diminished due to a slowdown in factory production.
GLO
I agree. And the argument of 20 years of losses does not always hold water. Not all of Saab's revenue streams were declared in Sweden (sales in the US, engine tech and research etc) this was obviously done for tax reasons and we must remember that Saab was/is part of a big group and so decisions were made for the best for the group and not just one company.
The problem with giant car company running a boutique car company was described by a former Jaguar CEO, it was something like this: "it's like an elephant trying to go to bed with a mouse - the mouse is going to get squashed and the elephant wont have much fun either."
Can you give me some example's of what you think other governments have done to assist their industry and citizens, but only in relation to the ailing automobile industry, that would be interesting to read.
Don't listen to the media reports on what SAAB's current stock level is, it could be night and day from what they say. And factory production was scaled down not because of overproduction, but because they needed to reduce labour working hours to save money on salaries, a company's largest expense.
SAAB has also been run with a decentralised structure.
You obviously know jack sh*t about SAAB cars.
Classic SAAB cars (Before the interference of GM) where reasonably priced for the class of car . I have owned 11 SAAB's and driven some 1,200,000 kilometres (700,000 miles) in those cars and NEVER had one break down on me. The annual service cost has always been reasonable.
As far as comfort is concerned, SAAB used to put seats made Recaro ( the Aircraft crew seat maker). The seats are so well made and ergonomically designed, that you can drive for a long time and not get fatigue. The seats in my current 9-5 Aero are not as good as in my other car - a 1996 9000 Aero because GM in a typical cost cutting move changed to a standard cheaper GM seat. Thank the lord that the 9-5 still uses the same SAAB designed and built 2.3 litre engine.
As far as profits are concerned. GM, to avoid Swedish taxes, has run SAAB as a tax saving concern, piling the costs on to SAAB in Sweden while taking ALL the revenue from North American sales into the GM US coffers. SAAB has in most years made a profit on European sales. The losses that it has posted arose because they where effectively giving away every car sold in the US!!
"Managers who don't make a profit will have to be fired........" - Good idea Fire the whole of GM
Well put.
It is GM's US management who have screwed up SAAB.
SAAB needs to be brought back to Sweden, to save it.
Agree.
And the least the Swedish government can do is fight for it to be given a fair chance like: Germany, Belgium and the UK have with Opel in recent months. . . There are a few examples for you Scotty.
I think your reasoning is poor, given the above is nothing more than speculation, and where in Ricks comments does it say anything regarding government support for the automobile industry and its citizens.
Also Vauxhall in the UK is kept a going concern only for political votes, nothing more. It is heavily subsidised and supported by the government. Although in Germany, the largest exporter in the world, they specialise in production technology techniques and are well know for being efficient
I am not sure where you are getting your information from but you are wrong again! Planning and physical work is in advanced stages to set up production for Opel/vauxhall's next small car in the UK (at a plant called Ellsemere port) and due to the state of the pound it is far cheaper to build it there than in Germany. Vauxhall is not kept open for political votes as was shown when it had a giant cull in Luton a number of years ago which you would know if you had any idea of what you were talking about. And whilst you mention unions - actually the union strength Germany wins hands down over most countries which can be seen as a good or bad thing. . .
Your government needs to be fixed quickly as I don't see any leadership in taking Sweden forward.
Go and read saabsunited.com then you'll realise the special spot that SAAB has all over the World.
I am going forward with my planned purchase of my 2nd Saab next week whatever the outcome.
Yes to SAAB, Yes to Trollhatan, Yes to Merbanco, and Yessss... to CJ.
Cowboy Up........
we should crash the big players not prop them up (pun not intended)
crash GM dead and simply sell the assembly line to the highest bidder or better still the workers just take it over!
as Nemesis says rightly GM have got there money/patents etc out why do they need to be paid out as well !
I say crash the big bastards and start fresh as sooner or later they will fall over ,anyhow less hurt in a controlled crash!
america is bankrupt cut the ties before you sink with her.
good news when the US goes bust you can buy SAAB for a song!
Vauxhall currently employs 1,458 people at its Luton plant and 2,166 people at its Ellesmere Port plant.
Production will be increased as the Corsa is the UKs best selling small car, Vauxhall has the largest market share of cars in the UK. Yes, the pound is low which makes it cheaper in the sort run for production, but what will happen in the long run when we see the pound rally in mid 2010.
Unions and the UK Government are determined Ellesmere Port should be the home of the Ampera, given its status as the most efficient of General Motors' European sites and the prospect of more significant Government subsidies.
http://www.smmt.co.uk/downloads/MotorIndustryFacts2009.pdf?sid=261&catid=3755&maincatid=&fid=&fid1=&fid2=
You will then see that maybe you are not so correct.
Ford is the number 1 seller in the UK and they also have the top selling model.