Published: 27 Nov 09 15:43 CET | Print version
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Surgeons should be able to demand that a patient refrains from smoking in the period before and after an operation, the director-general of the Swedish Welfare Board (Socialstyrelsen) argued on Friday.
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Everywhere I go in Sweden I see teenagers and young adults with a cigarette in there mouth.
Smokers use up more hospital time and require social services more often.
Any measure to reduce smoking is a good thing for all in society.
You could put the most beautiful woman in the world in front of me, but if she is a smoker I wouldn't be interested in her. Who wants to kiss an ash tray.
Oh, Greg, just out of curiosity, do you drink alcohol?
Smokers pay a disproportionate amount of tax compared to the health care they receive. What is all the fuss about? Conversely if I was to go under the knife I would be happy if the surgeon smoked whilst doing the operation (as long as he/she didn't put ash in my wound).
But as far as drinking is concerned.....
I will always have my daily single malt!!!!
If you want to smoke that's OK, but face the health consequences later in life. If you want to shorten your life that's fine, but why should I breath your second hand smoke in public places.
What does drinking have to do with smoking? Moderate drinking will extend your life based upon scientific research .
I watched my father in law die of lung cancer from years of smoking. It's not a pretty site.
Think about it.
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In the same manner in which you have graciously extended caring to me about my (almost minimal but indefensible) smoking habit, I would remind you that 'big tobacco' also said that smoking was beneficial and not harmful.Check out the funding for many of these 'alcohol related reports' you refer to.
Your reference to the 'theoretical and unproven benefits' of alcohol extending life are now seriously questioned. There is clear evidence of damage to cells in foetus's of 'drinking mothers' and equally clear evidence of brain/liver/kidney damage in adults.
My point is simply that there is a disproportionate 'puritanicalism' by some in the medical profession about smoking. That neither of these activities are especially healthy is clear - but it is 'in vogue' to penalise smokers and not drinkers or obese over-eaters. This fashion will pass in time.
I do not smoke indoors, not even in my own home, and I do not feel that prevailing winds drift my smoke as far as Canada. Clearly, at 65 years of age, you can be sure that I have witnessed many die of cancer and have given much thought to the issue.
But I guess they wouldn't operate on me because I was exposed to trichlorethylene fumes for a reasonable period in my youth.It's beginning to sound like American health Insurers, if you ever coughed once - then we won't operate!!!!
It amazes me the number of patients who are outside smoking.....supposedly sick or dieing!
I agree with you about unbalanced puritanical-ism between smoking and alcohol. And this imbalance is skewed in favor of smoking in some parts of the world, where alcohol is prohibited but smoking is allowed.
We live in an imperfect world where ideal solutions and ideal policies don't work. The imbalance in government's policies towards different abusive substances will always exist. The logic that if we allow one evil then we should allow all (or vice versa) doesn't really work. But what does work is the will of majority. So if the majority want stricter measures against smoking but not alcohol, that's how its going to be.
By the way, this is Sweden , we have freedom to "slicka fitta på morgonen och suga kuk på kvällen om man har lust". and drink and smoke too...
ha ha
Maybe one day I'll kick the bucket with lung cancer or maybe I might quit. I really do not condemn those who drink or smoke. Choice lies in our own hands.--' Bad things always comes together with bad habits 'example: Have you ever been so drunk that you were embarassed by things you did (piss drunk)when you sober up? Have you ever heard of a dumb drunk beating up his wife or kids?
Back to the real topic though, yeah it's a good idea however how in the world are you going to police that?
Yeah kinda sad that Swedes will eat pussy and then suck a cock but they forgot to add - while drunk.
"I have noticed more people in Scandanavia Smoke then anywhere else I've travelled to" - well you obviously haven't travelled very extensively then - I have and I think exactly the reverse.
But I did laugh at your last sentence - so true!!
Go to Asia, you can see people smoking anywhere and everywhere.... except Singapore, maybe because it is a FINE country. Fine you for smoking at certain place, fine you for chewing gum, fine you for sitting at the wrong seat in the cinema(I was fine for that). Such a Fine country that they will find ways to fine you.
Maybe you haven't travel so much after all.
No, I'm not a doctor but I was engaged to a surgeon who loved to talk about his work...
In any case, it is a bit out of character for a society so fixated on "fairness" to single out smoking. There are a number of conditions which affect good blood circulation as well as other acquired habits as pointed out in other comments.
OK, so about other conditions and ilnesses there's nothing they can do anything about. But to single out one among several acquired habits seems to be a bit out of character to me.
In America even though we are far from perfect. Your doctor will talk to you or get mad and scream but in the end the individual is the one paying for it and if they want to kill themselves then it is their choice. We assume they are sane adults and can choose how to behave and also accept the consequences. It's not taking advantange of anyone but themselves. It's time for Sven to be an adult and get the bill if doesn't like the rules.
it is about the surgeons wasting their precious time (they charge a arm and a leg you know) on smokers they simply don't heal and are harder to operate on (I would guess snus is the same deal)
if you can get the patient off the evil weed for some time the hospital resources are better utilized, the patient is in and out quicker with less cost to everyones (including the smoker) pocket and more people (again the smoker too) can be squeezed into the medical system.
Now if the smoker has any brains they will also try to stay off the weeds when they get the opportunity to do so and put the money into something better !
And judging by some of the comments here, childish and bitchy too!
Man up, grow a pair and quit your disgusting addiction.
To some, the 'disgusting addiction' is an enjoyable pastime. To say people are weak if they don't stop is a little childish as well, no? It's a fair point that the smoking itself is dangerous for your health and the health of people around you, but if people choose to light up a smoke because they enjoy it I'm not going to call them a weak idiot. I'm sure some non-smokers have habits others find repulsive as well.
Besides, if smoking kills, and everyone who smokes is weak and an idiot, then couldn't you assume that cigarettes are just getting rid of the weak and idiotic? everyone wins! (except the so called weak and idiotic)
now...where was I... Ah yes. flavor country.
Judging by your comment, you sound pretty childish and bitchy yourself. Like sparkusprime stated: maybe you might have some repulsive habits that others don't like.
Seems you might be one of those who have never start...so bravo. So I guess you will never know what a smoker goes thru' when try to stop.
Like some say smoking stinks, yeah sure I don't even smoke inside my own apartment. But I can say that Cheap perfume stink and body ordor stink more than cigarette smell. But I would never call a person using cheap perfume stupid, I can only advice them if they can't bloody afford good perfume, not to use any instead.
@izbz - I think you just proved my points! And my repulsive habits never affect anyone else's health or comfort.
You only live once, you have to die of something!