February 14, 2012
Published: 30 Nov 09 15:30 CET | Double click on a word to get a translation
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/23570/20091130/
Grab a ticket, wait your turn, then pounce. Paddy Kelly examines the vicissitudes and intricacies of queuing in Sweden.
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Swedish queues become especially interesting when merged with another population, such as at the ferry to Estonia (50% Swedes, 50% non-queuers).
I hate how the only queue-less place is the bar. Here, the universal rule still applies: "Serve the hotties first."
Watch the local population at a bus stop. No ticket system so there is a mad rush - little old ladies beware!
I think the Swedish queing is a myth, unless they have numbers they are totally unpolite.
@glamelixir: It's so true, take away their tickets and they have no idea what to do. Plus people jump the queue because they know that everybody else won't say anything to them.
Another great place to see dysfunctional lines: at the Central Station when people are trying to buy train tickets. This past weekend, 10 minutes before the train to Uppsala left, my fiance and I got into 1 of 2 lines for ticket machines. Actually, there were 4 ticket machines but no one seemed to want to believe that the other two machines were working (no one else was lining up in front of them!). So my Swede sauntered over to one of them, while I waited in the long line, and just bought our tickets! That machine was fully functioning but no one wanted to breech the other lines to find out. And after we had our tickets, no one moved over! I guess they preferred to miss the train.
Queing is right up there with ...TV Licence, magazine subscripitions, and automatic renewal/send faktura later policy.
Cheers,
Vegimite man!
If there's anything else you noticed that you think I should be complaining about in Sweden, please throw it out there!
(Should probably mention that I wrote this thing...)
i agree with you, there are different queuing techniques in asia, in japan, you can put your mobile phone on the foodcourt table to ocupy the space while you are away to purchase your food, but if you do that in sweden, your phone will be gonna in 2 seconds.
overall queuing in line is very old fashioned way, swedes call themselves the leading country in mobile technology and 4G bla bla, but simple as a SMS queuing technique has not been implemented to make use of the precious time of the queuing people have.
Big deal, thank god for differences to write home about! WOW?
ha ha
Anyway, in India, we use hand kerchiefs to 'reserve' seats in buses and trains. We usually bung them in through the window.
And dont get me on waiting to get off a train, whilst a herd from the platform try and push you out the way. How rude of me to get off first, maybe its because I havent got a ticket to tell me too! :)
That was weird, two counter, no ticket queing and why would I stay in the first counter where there are a lot of people in front of me? I ignored my bf and stay in the second counter to get the tickets, which I got in few minutes.
Swedes actually prefer to queue in the long queue, I guess they were not in a hurry as me. :)
I thnk paxing is horribly rude since you FORCE everybody else in the queue to pax also, otherwise they end up queuing for ten minutes and some guy arriving long after them takes the only free table.
I remember many years ago in London, my wife and I went to take the Waterloo & City line to Bank from Waterloo. My wife went into hysterics at the sight of all the city types in orderly lines in the exact position where the tube door would be when the train arrived!
On British commuter trains, there is no paxing, you just know who's seat it is. I made the mistake once of getting on a train that I did not normally use and took an empty seat. I'd just got settled in when the 'owner'(regular user) arrived just as the train was moving off and "thats my seat your sitting in get out"
Maybe Trains in Britain could benefit from the Swedish seat reservation system on trains!
The idea behind it is that everyone, male, female, black, white, rich, poor etc is treated exactly the same - that is you all wait around for too long because there are not enough service personnel then you all get the same level of awful service.
Don't improve the service but treat everyone equally badly.
But yes it is these quirks which make living in sweden different from australia... thats why we are here :)
On the other hand - if you want to experience the alternative - try to buy something in a crowded German bakeshop. Imagine a counter with 4 selling people and many people wanted to be served. The queuing there is some kind of social interaction. How does it work: Enter the shop and find out who is already there. Those people will NOT form a queuing line at all. They're just a crowd in front of the counter - remember their faces and don't expect the selling people to do that. They don't care. They usually ask "Who is next?" when done with one customer. Then make sure you notice the face of anyone entering after you have come in. Make sure that you're not "overtaken" by them and try to overtake the ones that have been in the shop when you entered it. Old ladies are usually very good in this... go to crowded German bakeshops and learn from them. ;-)
- deciding which queue to join.
- being unlucky to end up in the queue of that one person who takes 5 minutes to order a burger.
Just about all english-speaking expat newspapers/bloggers/forumites/bar-goers/etc have one thing in common:
1. Find a social-phenomenon that is different from home.
2. Give it a negative twist.
3. Complain about it (by writing an article or say it to your wife, husband, girlfriend, whatever.
5. Call the locals brainwashed and stupid
4. Blame your prejudices and your whining on "culture shock" (how delicate)
5. Don't spend a second solving your real problems like: Your failed career, the mess you left in your home country (dare to go back?) or your ill-planned, crappy marriage.
The author of the post above is just bitter. Sort your life out and i'm sure the queues in Sweden will be sorted too.
Cheers!
http://www.thelocal.se/23668/20091205/
I thought the article was great. Seems strange that you have to waste paper if the line is less than 5 people but it sounds like a skit Monty Pyton would do.
The weirdest post here was the one who said brits know how to queue because of rationing.
Sweden had rationing too. Get your facts right. Just because we weren't officially in the war doesn't mean we didn't have rationing.
The other day I went into a café to fika. there was no nummerlap and a lot of people milling around looking at the cakes on display.
The poor girl behind the counter just did not know who was the next to be served. she was looking around and asking 'Who's next' Of course everybody said ME, She made the wrong choice of customer to serve and got a verbial blast from a couple of other customers who claimed that they should have been served first.
Ticket Queue no problem. Lets have more
The convenietly put the number board BEHIND the forward facing benches at the station. I sat there, person after person goes in front of me...Im thinking they called your number, as there was no visible number display board.
After a while, I just helped myself to my own mysterious number and proceeded to the front of the line!
totally lame place
But I was just wishing that the author would bring in to the article the fact that the average Swede is unable to see an open door without barging through even that means pushing in front of women and children (and I don't ever think I have been thanked for holding a door open, ever!). Also I have noticed that in any bar, restaurant or crowded area they seem to take the shortest route from A to B which usually means barging through people. Has anyone else noticed this??
If you don't like it ... leave.
Cheers.
I noticed that immediately when I moved here from the States, but unfortunately that's the way it is here in Sweden. In the US, when a person holds the door open for someone, they are usually thanked. In Sweden, don't expect anything. As far as getting bumped into by people in malls or on the sidewalks, stand Your ground, make them go around You. They don't follow the "rules of the road", like traffic stays to the right, it's just to confusing for them. They won't even say "Excuse Me" when coming from behind to get past a person. I return the custom of plowing through people, like the Swedes do, hey, when in rome. And if they push Me over too far, I push 'em back! and utter a few metaphoric words of appreciation.
This Swedish custom of rudeness, is limited though, usually to the older crowd. The new generation is more open minded and friendly as well.
As far as standing in line with a ticket, it can go both ways. I prefer the ticket system for fairness and keeping order, but I still get pissed when I have to wait on some dumb ass who is cashing in or buying lotto tickets and it takes 3 of the cashiers to spend 10 minutes to service them when there are 8 or more people waiting in line. Geesch.
Saving places in line or movie theater seats is very common place in the US, at least in California. I have yet to do battle over a parking space here in Sweden.
However, I have been guilty of occasionally spotting a table in a cafe, but that's when it's My Wife, Child and Myself. I WOULDN'T do that if it's just Me. If on the other hand I saw a single person do that, and I needed it for My family, Heh, heh, the jacket or article would simply be removed to an alternate location to make way for the more needed. lol
Cheers! \ ( - _ - ) /
You sound like a Swede.
So you "don't like people talking about their host country"? What, so we're just supposed to say nothing, bad or good?
And I like Sweden! Most people moving here do. And if you don't like this article...well, you know...
The other idea about Swedish queuing came to me when I was waiting in line to get to the ladies room: why don´t they have numbers there if this is the place where queues usually are born?