February 9, 2010
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The head of Saab Automobile, Jan Åke Jonsson, confirmed that General Motors (GM) is actively looking for new owners for the company’s Swedish division, following a meeting with GM management on Monday.
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According to our esteemed co-reader, the Swedish government has the authority to confiscate SAAB from GM, since they have been funding the company for many years, and now she would like more funds so that in 2080 they might be able to turn positive, and eventually produce good technology.
Bummer for SAAB, is that according to Von Egg Head Segg in as little as a few years he will have his cars running on water as stated in his propaganda, so that leaves SAAB in the same position they are in, not being able to compete with other manufacturers producing vehicles far superior and capturing most of market share.
The only conpiracy is in your moronic mind.
You may want SAAB destroyed, I do not. I want to see it saved.
Who is the "we" that "do not want" ?
As for the rest of your unintelligent post, learn some English before you post on an English language site
Rugla is a troll. Most likely a previous poster under a different name. Started to post seeming selectively quoting posts from before joining.
Also has a pathological hatred of christian von konsegsegg. Makes crazy allegations with no evidence. See
http://www.thelocal.se/23472/20091125/
There appears to be a lot of people on the local, who really hate Sweden and anyone in Sweden who sticks there head above the parapet to try to do something in Sweden.
Have you heard of the idiom: 'pot calling kettle black'?
I see the USA is starting to wake up.
Enjoy attacking everything Swedish as you usually do. Have you ever thought about taking a hard look at the mess your own country is in and the problems its causes worldwide?
1- Liquidate Saab.
2- Keep Saab but close the Trollhättan factory and move production to Opel factories elsewhere in Europe.
I don't know how credible this is, though...
And you DICK Methven, like to see how well you do in Swedish or any other language!
I do not have a pathological hatred for Koenigsegg, but merely making fun of the situation, which I happen to know more about it than you pathetic harpy!
I´m an analyst in the car and manufacturing industry and your insane comments were brought to our attention by one of my colleagues working here in Stockholm from our office in the US.
So thanks for the fun you have provide us, it has been a hut!
TTFN
If GM has any brains they will keep the Swedish brand Alive
it is far more superior then lets say Saturn or GMC. I hope
and pray for the best outcome. STAY TUNED!!
USA/Sweden Interior Designer
This situation is far from funny. The fact that you consider thousands of people losing there jobs to be funny, lets me know how sick and twisted you really are.
"I´m an analyst in the car and manufacturing industry and your insane comments were brought to our attention by one of my colleagues working here in Stockholm from our office in the US."
Thank you for confirming what someone else suspected you were in an email to me today.
News for you, americans can't run car companies these days. Swedes do it better, but you wouldn't know that.
I applaud your recent coments and sentimenmts regarding Saab, however generally I think you are a fearful troll who enjoys showing-off in the hope that someone will converse with you.
And for the record I am not American and I live in Sweden.
I want to see SAAB back on it's feet! As far as you other clowns... Stop habitually turning this thing into a USA vs Sweden verbal war.
Everyone gauges an American based on Political decisions made by our country. I call that stereotyping!!!
I worked in Sweden for a bit, there are lazy bumbs, bad decision-makers and free-loading sponges of the system, there just as there are here... Neither one of us is perfect, that's just the way it goes.
...In the end, I have a lot of Swedish colleagues/friends at SAAB that I do not want to see out on the streets JOBLESS...
09:48 December 1, 2009 by rugla
@ Krigeren, spot on!
There is little to seize, the sad part of the story for the people involved is the job loss, there is nothing else, the technological magic and IPR has been gone for years, all the patents all the good stuff GONE.
This is the very reason the government should stay out of it, help the people losing their jobs with re-training, re-schooling whatever, help them.
Why put money behind to keep something alive when it has been dead for some time? There is nothing else there!
If investors want to play with their money let them try, government involvement is another thing, an investor sees red, the first thing that happens is they divest the asset base cash as much as they can and leave others including the tax payer holding the bag, this was the worry of the government with Von Egg Head Segg, no transparency, overstatement of capabilities, etc, etc.
With any company your largest expense is salaries, the only way I can see SAAB operational would be if manufacturing is moved to a different location where production costs are far less, along with the cost of materials. This would allow them to hold a profitable margin, possibly enough to turn the company around.
You are dreaming again. They catagorically will not be bought by a Chinese company and production will not move to China. GM will not sell current technology to a Chinese firm as it would compete with the Buick brand which is massive in China and a good earner for GM.
I think you argument is pie in the sky!
You have no idea like anyone else what is going to happen to this company in the short or long term. Ask yourself why has this company not made a profit in 20 years, and before you come up with another theory that the Americans have taken all the profits out of SAAB, at least entertain us with some foundation to your theory, please.
Sweden is ranked within the top three managed economies in the world. This is because of the tax collected from salaries, and cost of living, etc. As far as I learnt at business school (Handelshögskolan) all investments in production are being moved to emerging markets to exploit cheaper costs, and foreign governments are welcoming foreign direct investment with open arms. Technologies can be moved, it is called a specific asset, all businesses have some form of asset. SAAB is no different, but it's only chance to get back into profit is to move out of Sweden so costs can be reduced and passed onto the consumers, this is the key to their growth.
And spy, I don't dream or pretend I know business, I have studied it, I understand how it functions in todays "global village" with globalisation. SAAB has one option if it wants to compete and grown. I have perfectly described it for you because it seems you are having a little difficulty understanding what needs to be done to save this company.
What is cheaper for the country, making all SAAB staff redundant and using Sweden's national accounts to fund unemployment? Or do we keep on throwing money at this company and get nothing more than an expensive car that only has a majority market share in Sweden. My view is that it is better for the country to move SAAB out and fund unemployment, this is made on a long term calculation. This may seem harsh, but living in the real world of business is no place for people sympathetic to the effects of their decisions. A company has to make profit, thats is function, surplus over costs, and SAAB has not be able to do that for along time.
And you DICK Methven, like to see how well you do in Swedish or any other language!
I can read and write:
English
Welsh
Spanish
French
Dutch
Romanian
and SWEDISH
I can also get by in Russian, Portuguese and a few other languages.
"one of my colleagues working here in Stockholm from our office in the US."
That answers the 'we' question that you failed to answer.
Your "WE" means the Americans
I must say I am terribly impressed you have studied business.. What do you think I studied? Horse Psychology?
My opinion may be 'pie in the sky' to you but frankly anyone who knows anything about the Auto industry would see that many of the following arguments are likely.
1) GM would be extremely nervous about selling current technology to a Chinese company due to fears over security of intellectual property.
2) GM sells a large amount of Buicks in China and will not do anything to erode market share.
3) The Swedish government will not support production leaving Sweden and this fact alone will close the door to some companies.
4) Chinese are notoriously difficult and time consuming to deal with and what Saab needs is speedy close.
Weighing up all of these facts, I say again, in my opinion: GM will not sell current or future Saab technology to China and therefore production of current and future models will not leave Sweden.
Relating to my employment, I have been employed within the automotive industry for the last 17 years.
I have worked for:
Ford Motor Company ~ 4 years
Audi/VW/SEAT ~ 2 years
Bentley/Rolls Royce ~ 3 years
Peugeot ~ 3 years
Rover ~ 3 years
Nissan ~ 2 years
I am more qualified than anyone else to be making comments relating to the automotive industry on this website, and thats why I ONLY participate in discussions involving general business within my industry.
Relating to your points
1) If GM need to sell this company, it will go to anyone who is interested, regardless of intellectual property issues. If you own a company that has a loss record like SAAB, they can have everything they need, GM will even pay an interested party to take this off their hands, from my own personal experiences.
2) SAAB could be moved to Mexico where labour costs low. Many motor companies have production sites here, this has decreased the average total costs in production, and stimulates an increased market share by passing on the savings to the consumers. By being able to sell cheaper automobiles than your competitors or at least to make it more affordable to be able to reach new customers from other manufactures.
3) I agree with your opinion on this completely, but what is best to keep the business operational
4) Capital is readily available in China, and like the Rover sale, if they want it bad enough, they buy it fast enough.
Your points are good and logical, and I agree that number 3 could be the only reason that SAAB stay in Sweden, even if it is going to cost Sweden dearly in the long turn. They are just holding on to a failed national icon.
You are showing an arrogance that is almost unbelievable. Frankly I don't want to air my experience in this forum but for all you know I could be a potential investor.
Open your eyes, read and learn:
1) Saab will not be sold lock-stock-and-barrel to the Chinese for a number of reasons: GM would be extremely nervous about selling current technology to a Chinese company due to fears over security of intellectual property. GM sells a large amount of Buicks in China and will not do anything to erode market share. Saab also needs a quick deal and the Chinese do not act fast as their companies involve state ownership. This is not to say that Chinese companies would be sold outgoing technology that does not compete with current GM products.
2) Saab will not be moved to Mexico - where did you dream this up???? If a buyer wants an EIB loan then production must remain in Sweden. The Swedish government will not support production leaving Sweden and this fact alone will close the door to some companies. As a caveat Saab already has plans produce a crossover in Mexico alongside on a shared GM platform. But this car is as it is predominantly for the US and Asian market and it makes sense to build it there.
3) Chinese are notoriously difficult and time consuming to deal with and what Saab needs is speedy close.
Anyway I don't want to waste any more time on you, time will tell, so toodle-pip.
The difference is you first made assumptions I don't know too much regarding business, which I confirmed for you! Then you made another assumption that I knew nothing regarding the automobile industry, now you are making assumptions that who ever decides to buy SAAB will need an EIB loan. What planet are you on? Who even considers that a european company will be the only ones to take SAAB on? And even better what company in Europe in current conditions can do this, short and sweet NONE.
I love your statement below.
You are showing an arrogance that is almost unbelievable. Frankly I don't want to air my experience in this forum but for all you know I could be a potential investor?
SPY I think you are dreaming, big time. I have shown no arrogance but only knowledge, something you clearly lack. And if you are a possible investor, you are clearly a junior!
Since you are getting personal: After years of scratching your way up the ranks of various car manufacturers you now find yourself in Sweden, probably as a Ford employee seconded to Volvo. You are a lower-to-middle manager who has a little knowledge based only what you hear in the corridors where the 'grown-ups' work. You are an avid reader of automotive websites and you like belittling car enthusiasts with your industry knowledge because you, yourself are oppressed at work. Now stop being an argumentative smart-arse.
Again nostradamus your conclusions are poor, just like your comments left on this site. What makes you think I have a connection with Ford or Volvo, next you will be telling us I work at Mercedes HQ in Malmo?
Anyway Mr Buffet, why don't you buy SAAB?
My money says its going to China, and I will gladly remind you soon enough you were wrong.
OK DICK Impresive list, but doubt it since you show the attitude of an INAVEL person, here is something at your level!
This site is amusing, so much talent, yet so much time spent throwing dirt and insulting each other, you forget the very subject discussed in the first place.
Anyway how is this following your list?
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You are quite right Flying Scotsman does think he has all the answers and to say that he is "more qualified than anyone else" to talk about cars on this site is absurd as a great many expats logging on will work for automotive companies.
Well Spy, it looks as though you have been proved wrong and what I have commented on is accurate. Not bad for someone you consider lacks knowledge. Check the link below:
http://in.reuters.com/article/marketsNewsUS/idINPEK20226320091204
My estimate is that the deal will be done before the end of January 2010. It seems that you should wake up and smell the coffee!
Misssqurrel
My comments are nothing more than an argument against SPY's view of events. I feel that what I have commented on is what needs to happen to save this company. And yes, I do posses the experience of working in this area and my arguments support this, thats why you both stand to be corrected on what the future of this company turns out to be.
Now stop being a stalker and go and talk to someone who actually likes you, if such a person exists.
I should ignore him as his comments are arrogant and his tone is unpleasant, what an uncivilized fellow and I think he has a big ego too. Don't you just hate these people who paste links into posts? It shows a real naivity and a lack of imagination.
So what if BAIC have arranged credit lines, surely Saab will cost much less than 3bn so what's the rest of the money for? Perhaps they will buy Volvo and then Flying Scotsman will have a Chinese master to clean the floors for.
Yes I will certainly not spend another minute replying to him although I suspect that he is the sort of person who will need to have the last word..
But anyway good point about the media links, if we beleived everything written about Saab then they would already have closed down as well as having been sold to about 10 different parties. The proof will be in the eating and Saab has not been sold yet. I wish them the best of luck I would even be happy if they got a Chinese buyer, but I just can not see GM selling current and future technology to the Chinese (the old stuff they would be happy to sell).
There is no need for abuse, and no I am not the type of person who has to have the last word, but someone who participates and discusses issues with an open interest, just like a civilised Swedish society does. You clearly lack the courtesy these people have, which leaves me to assume your not from here either.
If you think that an individual who takes your opinion and creates an argument with them is a stalker, also tells me you are not very well educated either.
It would further not surprise me either if you created misssquirrel just to massage your own ego!
You say you don't want the last word and then you can't resist it. Then you say there is no need for abuse and then go on to abuse. You really are a sad little man with an overinflated ego, why don't you just go and get a life.
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