February 13, 2012
Published: 1 Dec 09 11:59 CET | Double click on a word to get a translation
Updated: 1 Dec 09 13:21 CET
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The Church of Sweden (Svenska Kyrkan) is bleeding members at an increasingly rapid pace, at the same time as membership rolls in Islamic, Roman Catholic, and Orthodox Christian assemblies are on the rise.
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Fin means anyhting from sweet to proper. When someone says, Du är så fin it's quite a compliment.
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I am sure it has a great effect on it. Church of Sweden: do not forget where you come from: Jesus, in Sacred Scripture, in Sacred Tradition.
Let us pray for the Church of Sweden, that she may rediscover her roots.
As it happens, this is almost certainly not because the former church members are raging homophobes, as the other posters are suggesting.
More likely reasons for the fall in membership are:
1) Most members of the church do not attend church, have never attended church did not make an active choice to join and in many cases were not even baptised into the church (practically all Swedes over the age of 13 were made members automatically).
2) There's a recession on. If you're paying 1 percent of your income in church tax to a church worshipping a god you don't believe in, that makes for a painless cut out of a strained budget.
We really don't need judeo-christian-satanist-islamic churches anyway. We really should have got past that superstition years ago.
Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide...but let's not lose the Sola Gratia. Luther turned the world on it's head by (re)introducing the word, and reason, to the common man. We appear all too afraid to point out a verse and hide behind it. We need to make a difference in the lives of the jones2's of the world and reintroduce a God of grace and love. We don't need to be wishy-washy stand-for-nothings, but we also don't need to treat God like a little old lady. He can, and does, speak for Himself - and sometimes to His followers as well...
SDG
- female priests
- homosexual weddings
- transvestite priests (see Finland)
Of course it has ALL to do with it and they know it and there is no way back.
Remains to be seen if the acolytes they gain from the bizarre, makes up for their loss, seems not. Some religulous CEO is gonna lose his job.
As I understand it, everyone born in Sweden before 1996 received automatic "membership" in the Church as long as at least one of their parents was a member...with no baptism required. This is why the Church can claim 77% of Swedish population as mambers (as of 2007, anyway). Logic dictates that there are a lot of Swedes counted on the church rolls who have never regularly attended services. But all members pay a church tax of as much as 2% of their annual income (depending on where they live), and I personally know many Swedes who continue to pay this tax out of habit rather than because they are actively involved in their local parish.
But as jone 2 indicated, priorities can change in tough economic times. It's reasonable to assume that some of these "leavers" decided they could no longer afford to pay a tax out of habit.
How long can one believe in something or someone ... someone that we cannot see ... before one give up ......
Since we have religious education in school the question occurred countless times who actually believed in anything and in groups of 20 people maybe 1 or 2 people said they did and I went to a lot of different schools. Only once in my life have anyone been surprised I don't believe in God and that was when I told my 80 year old grandparents (I just casually remarked it when I was nine) and they seemed distraught but never talked about it again.
If anyone doubts what I'm saying try walking to your local church sometime during service and you'll find that it's pretty much only old people there and barely any seats are taken.
It has nothing to do with the state church being allowed to wed homosexuals and you could see that by just looking at the numbers before and after the law passed, there will be no spike.
@Shazzer - They track it because the people who left the church does not have to pay the church tax, you also have to mail your local parish telling them you want out.
They also don't believe in god. So they don't feel like paying money to something they never use, attend or believe in. Since they were born they were part of the church, it wasn't their choice, it was just pushed on to them.
(Dear The Local, if you are going to disallow double posting then you need to ad an edit button.)
Those of you who quote passages from the bible to condem homosexuality are hiding behind the bible to justify their bigotry. Never forget how Galileo was persecuted for saying 'the earth went round the sun' and not the other round as the church claimed. Perhaps all you bible bashers (bible preachers) should carry on persecuting astromeners, and stoning adulterers because 'that's what the bible says'.
I just love it when the religious nut jobs join us to comment :)
Things that will contribute to peoples lives. Best to contribute to science & technology
www.atheists.org
@canuk - http://www.uturkyrkan.se
Where is God and Christianity in this? Oh, and the Bible?
And what they don't seem to realize is that the "God of Materialism" is a far more demanding taskmaster than the "God of Creationism".
You think not? Then quit your job, throw away your money, and see how long you last.
Does their invisible magic friend who lives in the sky really care which building they sing their songs in and which person in a robe they listen to?
Surely all they need to know was written down by Arab goat-herders thousands of years ago anyway?
@2394040 - Are you saying that "God of Materialism" as you put it does not apply to religious people? I really don't see what you are arguing though and what throwing away your lively hood would accomplish. Working to put food on the table is not the same thing as worshiping money, there's nothing supernatural about making money.
Compulsion is not faith; and religion isn't God. From my perspective, faith should challenge, energize and free one to feed and clothe our neighbor (especially the ones we don't like), physically and spiritually. Too often, I see rule books and traditions, when presented as gospel, serve only to dampen the Gospel and shut the door to a God who I believe still moves among us, still loves, still cares.
I don't blame people for leaving the church, I blame the church. And I struggle with a church that claims people instead of being claimed by people.
Cheers my friend!
It seems to me if one wants a church to dry up and go away align it with the state.
The 1% of one's income is nothing, most Evangelical (non-state) churches strive for 10% from their members, I suspect the average is about 3-5% of net income goes to tithing in these non-state churches.
yes it is indeed true the Swedish state church has lost its way (not that it has ever had the plot really) and is truly a joke.
it does not qualify to be judeo or christian or pagan or anything really!
trouble is that humans have religion hard wired into their brains everybody has a religion of some type evolution is a religion so is atheism and a lot of people worship daily at the PUBlic bar "church" of various denominations!
An interesting thing just to contradict nemesis's thought patterns
when people lose their organized religion they immediately become superstitious
the Christian religions are not superstitions they are the exact opposite
non God fearing people are superstitious!
IE if you don't believe in something you fall for everything .... if you don't trust in God you are fearful of the strangest things.... without something to hold onto you drift off to La-la land!
Superstition is an overused and often misused word.
Athletes often have favorite jerseys or other articles of apparel,
or other articles, that they rely on but they are far from drifting
". . . off to La-la land," whatever that means; and people in all walks of life and professions have likewise such talisman that affect the way that they conduct their lives, in small and greater measures, but as well do not leave them adrift in "La la land.
wspaniałe słowa "wierzę w świętych obcowanie", ... i je zapominamy!
Dlaczego? Dlatego, że przez 2,000 lat, teologowie, biskupi i
homiliści, ogólnie, tłumaczą Kościołowi, nam, że słowa te odnoszą
się do "obcowania świętych wśród nas ze świetymi w niebie"! A w
rzeczywistości jest to straszne zubożenie prawdy. W rzeczywistości,
słowa te oznaczają całe stosunki Kościoła katolickiego, a nawet
powiedziałbym, wszystkich innych religii, pomiędzy wiernymi i w
ogóle, ludzkością! A więc to nie tylko obcowanie kilku wspaniałych
stworzeń na ziemi z kanonizowanymi i nie kanonizowanymi świętymi w
niebie, ale moje obcowanie z Tobą, ze świętym Żydem, ze świętym
Muzułmanem,i ze świętym niewierzącym, tu na ziemi! PS: For those not understanding Polish this article (published in "Znak" and in Angora, pl) voices my concern about the massive misunderstanding of the "communion of saints", which we pledge each Sunday to believe, in the Credo. It happens that, for thousands of years, theologians , bishops, and priests, have failed to clarify that this phrase refers not only to the communion between the saints in heaven and a few of us who are saints on earth, but to a communion between all christians, and indeed all human beings! As a result of this lack of clarification, we simply have no common spiritual language, and too often feel no necessity to communicate spiritually, as we must! Try to find a saint to communicate with, and you will understand what I mean!