February 13, 2012
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A Lund man has been charged with trespassing after going to the home of a boy who had been bullying his son and verbally scolding him.
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Typical, head in the sand school teachers " Bullying does not happen here" so they blame the victim.
Been there done that with my son.
As he was the biggest kid around "he could not be bullied" he was either lying or imagining it!
Nothing in politics happens by accident, particularly social policy.
Death of the West: Cultural Marxism and the Frankfurt School
http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/death-of-the-west-frankfurt-school-and-cultural-marxism-part-1-of-7/1875001356
c'mon parents (of the kid who bullies), wake up and get some perspective!!
oh, and teachers at that school, get your head our of your butt.
One of the central themes of this was bias in the courts AGAINST victims, just one tool out of many to subvert the culture and spirit of the West, mass immigration being another.
Come on, I can't do it all for you, research yourselves, you must know something is very very wrong with society and it hasn't happened by chance.
michael.. way to go!!! i wish my father could have done something like that.
im not a friend of taking matter in your own hands, but bullies only understand in tehir own terms.
You are right. Train em to kick his ass. Forget the lawsuit though.
"what kind of idiot parents would turn around and charge a guy with trespassing after they know their son was the one at fault?!?!? are they american?"
really? i should sue you for making this comment.....
Many fathers would do it for you! When and where is the court hearing .. I want to go with you and show you our support in court and demonstrate against the stupid PP.
I have heard that Swedes are all blonde, on welfare and are unfreindly and cold. However, keeping an open mind, I visited Sweden and found that not to be true.
Unfortunately, the latter is necessary today.
When I was growing up, any responsible adult on the street could verbally correct miscreants and would be expected to do so.
That was before the The New World Order.
of course not ALL americans like to sue people (nor are they all fat, loud, greedy or rude). however, there has been a certain culture on the rise the last 10 years or so where many in america try to solve their problems by suing someone or something (companies) else rather than taking responsibility for their own actions.
people sue stores for having icy sidewalks simply cause they don't know how to walk.
thieves can sue a homeowner if they fall and hurt themselves while stealing.
obese people try and sue mcdonalds.
a hiker sued a national park because THEY got too close to the edge and fell off and think there should have been fences up.
these are only extreme examples but nonetheless outline this ridiculous culture and it is THAT culture which i sincerely hope NEVER makes its way to europe.
and quite frankly, this article reminds of that suing / not taking responsibility culture.
don't sue the guy for trespassing.
instead, be thankful he didn't spank your child (which i think he should have done, not too much, but just a little) and more importantly, think as to WHY that father was at your house in the first place.
yup, thats right, its cause your family did something WRONG.
ps, jose_s, are YOU american by any chance ;)
I'm not saying violence should be solved with violence, take the diplomatic way out when ever you can, but hell sometimes an agressive nature needs to be challenged agressively.
(*My father is now 62 but he can still bench press 90kg, me, I became a astrophysicist!)
like parents like kid, fukken arsshhllleess
the apple never falls far from the tree
i was bullied to and i was told to stand up for myself and fight back win,lose,or draw.how long can you fight your kids battles for them? i have a son also and i tell him to stand up for himself. if need be i will teach him self defence when the time comes. i know parents want the best for their kids,but sometimes as a parent you have to make hard choices when it comes to these things.i'm not saying violence is the only answer,but some people can't be dealt with diplomatically. most bullies you need to whip their ass to get them to understand. if you have a kid or kids that are going thru this get them enrolled in a karate class or self defence class. it will do wonders for them and for them to defeat a bully. it's a achievement your kids will never forget! there's an old saying'' to defeat an enemy thru nonviolence is the greatest achievement of all''
The father approached it wrongly, but his actions are understandable. If you question that, ask any parent. Any parent will have objections, but will understand his actions.
The parents were caught between a rock and hard place. The school threw them to the wolves. He should have went to the police instead of the parents, but that mistake is understandable as any parent will not think straight if they think there child is threatened.
Any parent who would be calm and completely level headed in this situation, i would be very suspicious of.
However the childs life was threatened. If that was my child that was threatened with murder, I would have lost the plot and I would probably be in jail for murder.
I understand him making a mistake and the authorities need to take that into account.
If the authorities do not take that into account, they should be removed from there posts.
I was bullied for years by a nasty kid in primary school. I finally grew a pair, and punched him in the nose. Not all kids can develop an appetite for this.
Well....within this environment....unfortunately the policy means bullies go unpunished. On the other side of the coin it means that those who defend themselves are not punished either.
Within this unfortunate set of circumstances...after my son was being bullied.... I have had to resort training my kids in self defense, anti-bullying techniques, and in order to justify the use of counter force the importance of standing up for those weaker than yourself.
My oldest son now has a tool box of mixed martial arts skills and after about 5 altercations over the course of a year now has the reputation as someone not to fjcuk with and that of an enforcer.
I wish I could have taken a different approach in many ways. However, I will say that my son's confidence and self respect is as high as I could wish for. There is naturally a good feeling that comes with beating up a bully and doing what is right at that age. Hell...any age.
One time he came home and said...another kid was pushing my friend around and teasing him because he has dark skin. My friend was scared I told the guy and his buddy to stop. He would not and started calling me names. Dad...I did exactly what you said, I grabbed his arm, put it in an arm bar, and applied the right amount of force until he apologized and was crying.
I guess the kid does not bully people anymore because my son never mentioned it again. Although I said, "could'nt you find more ways to talk him out of it" I still had a smile on the inside. A perfect example of playground justice.
The case involved a primary school aged 5th grade child (age 11 or 12) - and I don't believe that the father's action of pushing his way into the boy's home while the boy and his sister were alone was particulary adult behaviour on his side - his statement admits that his intention was to "frighten and scare" the boy. I would be furious if an adult stormed into my home with the intention of frightening my 11 year old when I wasn't home.
So although his approach might have had an effect - what is it he has actually taught his own son? That it is OK for adults to bully smaller children when they feel that they are 'in the right'. So it is OK for an adult to bully
i was a kid a bulllying other children at school....once an angry parent came to my home and scolded at the door loudly, my grandma held a big machete and rushed at the door, shouting at the parent:"Yeh, i told him to beat your son, so what?you wanna come in and talk about it?"
kinda interesting experience...
in fact, that kid and i didnt actually have any problems...i remember we began playing together the next day at school..Guys, do you think it might be more proper for these kids to deal with this without involving parents or teachers?
just wonder why i am soo peaceful now..
"these are only extreme examples but nonetheless outline this ridiculous culture and it is THAT culture which i sincerely hope NEVER makes its way to europe.
and quite frankly, this article reminds of that suing / not taking responsibility culture."
I am very proud to be american. In a country as large, vastly populated and diverse with cultures as it is, i find it difficult to see how such a large number of different people can be bunched together and and stereotyped. Brits can't attend a football match without causing a riot, Swedes are drunks, Americans are fat and lazy, Japanese smell like soy sauce, Muslims are terrorists... etc, etc.... So what's my point? The same as yours when you decided to bring in a stereotype to this article about a lawsuit and bullying. It's a stupid one.
America is a country not a culture. True, there is a ridiculous amount of lawsuits that are filed on a yearly basis, but what does that have to do with culture? Every legal system has loopholes that people try to take advantage of(in every country, maybe not in North Korea) and people on a daily basis try to get around that. Greed, selfishness, and lack of responsibility are traits that some may link to human nature... I have yet to read about a "culture" that has these traits as a whole. Maybe with all your insight you may be the first to publish that book on "cultures". I am looking forward to reading it. Maybe i can have a signed first edition..
I hate to break he news to you, but this nonsense is the product of an inverted mentality that is live and well in America and the UK, also. You can pick up a newspaper on any given day and find similarly absurd, logic-defying rulings coming from the state.
To the degree that you have bureaucracies (and proportional to the size of those bureaucracies), common sense is absent. Instead you get cowardly bureaucrats absolving themselves from responsibility and any possible discomfort by hiding behind policy.
This is what you get with statism, and if you think America is somehow immune to it, you haven't been paying attention.
on the topic of stereotypes, they are there for a reason and are generally not too far off the mark but its important to realize that they definitely DO NOT apply to everyone but a smaller percentage. nonetheless, there is a certain amount of truth in a stereotype.
its seems i used the word 'culture' in the wrong way as it was not meant to apply to the true meaning of the word culture but rather to underline how suing people has been on the rise in america (and other places but especially america) as it is increasingly the answer to many problems.
either way, i hope this whole suing thing stays out of europe. i like all the support that the father is getting here, thats GREAT!!
11 and 12 year olds can be talked to nicely and they'll understand and change their ways.
Got news for you..we've been doing that in England for the past few years and the 11 and 12 year old are now carrying knives and kiling each other. I'm afraid the "social experiments"are very nearly reaching the end.
You've only got to speak to a pensioner on a council estate to find the thing they are most afraid of is the local kids.
It's time to re-empower adults and give kids some discipline at home and at school. In the end it is for the good of the child as well as society. I just hope Sweden doesn't let it go too much further.
"I don't believe that the father's action of pushing his way into the boy's home while the boy and his sister were alone was particulary adult behaviour on his side - his statement admits that his intention was to "frighten and scare" the boy. I would be furious if an adult stormed into my home with the intention of frightening my 11 year old when I wasn't home."
i think most adults would be furious IF THE OTHER ADULT DID NOT HAVE A GOOD REASON. but, he did HAVE A GOOD REASON.
try to look at the WHOLE PICTURE rather than only one part of it, it will seriously help u out in life dude.
and AFTER the bullied son's father scared the crap out of my kid, i'd do the EXACT same thing so it NEVER happened again.
as much as most of sweden thinks that problems can be solved by 'talking' about them, there are some instances where a 'bit more' is needed.
You cannot defend yourself in this country either physically or by words but the offenders can do what they want and get away with it.
A englishman i heard of defended himself against 2 drunken swedes who were looking to give him physical harm......he was X-Army and dealt with them physically and put both of them in hospital....he got 6 months inside....what would have happened to the 2 if he was put in hospital ?
Same about this bully.......bullying could be so bad the victim could have been pschologically damaged and took his-her life .......what happens to the bully ?
STOP DEFENDING THESE DAM BULLIES AND START PROTECTING THE VICTIMS and their parents !!
thank you.
@#41 J Jack
your name is pretty easy to make fun of but i won't stoop to your level.
ummm, i think everyone reading this knows exactly which americans i mean cause there is ONLY ONE country called AMERICA.
the others your referring to are known as South America, Central America and well, Canada is just Canada or did you think America included Canada too?
haha, anyway, my points were quite clear in earlier posts about the bullying and i didn't really want this to turn into an american bashing thread, i was just comparing so lets leave it at that.
i hope you wrote santa claus and asked for an atlas ;)
ps, as for pointless ranting, have a sit down and watch a great doco/movie called Food Inc and then call my ranting pointless.
sorry for that last one being waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic.
If it were my son and not my dogs I know that my reaction would be equally passionate...but at the same time, in the case of my son, I would make sure that the bullies parents also got an earful. I would of waited for the parents to come home. A MAN has a duty to defend his family...all the time! He also has a duty to teach his son to defend himself.
But what do you do if the parents are some alkis (like they say here) and do not give a jack about the fact that their overgrown son is bullying other kids, killing dogs and smoking at the age of 12?
In addition, it is only in the cartoons big and evil guys always lose. I had "kids" in school who were 150% of my body weight and real athletes. They could break one's nose and one would never see the fist coming. Some are going to some kickboxing. Usually they team-up also. Physical opposition would only increase the bullying.
I think that the best bet is to try and make your kids "popular". It is social, fun. smart, inventive etc. Usually these people are never bullied, since the victims of the bullies are those who stand aside of the pack and not in the center of it.
Hate to break it to you, Liquidmonkey, but the whole way this incident was handled IS an indication that this "culture" has made its way to Europe.
BTW, bullies ar often products of their parents' breeding. As the old saying goes, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. This bully's parent's reaction to the visit by the victim's father is probably a great clue as to why he (the bully) is the way he is.
i thought " america's" included north and south america. ie the continent
USA = America instead of saying united states of america. i might be wrong but i don't live there and just did normal geography in school
"are they american? has sweden decided to act like america lawyers and protect the wrong doers of society while those that are injured get nothing????"
No American lawyers needed. Sweden does that all on its own. Look at how many rapists are punished and what the punishment is. Or look at the punishment for murder. Or for burning down a school. Or for stoning firemen putting out the school fire the "victim" started.
"on the topic of stereotypes, they are there for a reason and are generally not too far off the mark".
So Swedes are lazy, on welfare, and lack a personality?
"either way, i hope this whole suing thing stays out of europe."
It will. It is a completely different legal system. If you studied the American system it was a conscious decision to make it the way it is. They did not want people to be afraid of suing companies or individuals if they were harmed by them. That is also why the American legal system is open to foreigners to sue for human rights abuses. Because many times they would be to afraid to use their country's system because of repercussions. That being said many of the frivolous lawsuits are overturned on appeal (not nearly as highly publicized). But more and more laws are being enacted limiting frivolous lawsuits, i.e. can not sue McDonald's for being fat, etc.
"You sir should learn your geography be cause there is no country called America. There are Canadian Americans, Mexican Americans, Cuban Americans etc. etc. etc. When we call ourselves Americans we are saying that we are not Europeans, Africans, Asians or Australians."
i can't believe u just wrote someone else needs to learn geography and then said CANADIAN AMERICANS in the same paragraph, hahahahaha!
listen mate, I AM CANADIAN, have lived in 5 countries around the world and NO ONE, and i mean...NO ONE, ever refers to canada as CANADA AMERICA. well, only some americans do that and its generally those who have never left america.
so lets get this straight.
there are NO CUBAN AMERICANS, they are called CUBANS.
there are NO CANADIAN AMERICANS, they are called CANADIANS.
and there are NO MEXICAN AMERICANS, they are called MEXICANS.
when people refer to AMERICANS, they are generally referring to people that live in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA but often shorten it to AMERICA or might even say USA.
if someone says 'THE AMERICA'S', then and only then can that be seen as referring to either NORTH, CENTRAL OR SOUTH america.
got it?!?!?
i still can't believe u wrote CUBAN AMERICANS and thought that was CUBA, hahahahaha!! reminds of my american friend who said to me one day 'just where is SOUTH EAST ASIA'. hahahahahahahahahahaha, and yes, THAT is a stereotype that HAS been PROVEN time and time again.
on a more positive note, i love obama! anyone else see his 60 minutes interview....awesome!!
As a mother, I would have done the same, i 100% agree with what the father did.
As a mother, should I ever find out that my child has become the bully, I would not hesitate to name and shame her in the local paper....
I have brought my child up to know right from wrong, to speak when spoken too and at times to hold ones mouth shut! Have the strenght and self confidence that one needs, but above all, to have repsect for your fellow person .....
To be a parent is a full time job, no days off, no I'll deal with it tomorrow, it's 24hr 7days a weeks from the second the child is born, it is the parents responsibility to bring the child up. Not school , Not dagis, not anyone, only YOU THE PARENT ..
Swedish parents WAKE UP!
you set the rules for your children, they do not set rules for you. They are a true reflection of you!