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Chinese automaker Geely is not a suitable owner of Volvo Cars, according to eight former Volvo directors. In a letter to Ford Motor Company’s chairman, Bill Ford Jr, former Volvo group directors, and former Volvo Cars managing directors, wrote that Geely lacks the necessary technical competence, according to the newspaper Dagens Industri.
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Clearly the Volvo brand has declined in reliability and popularity in recent years, I mean, an 18 month old Volvo needing new shock absorbers?!?! It has declined to the point that even Swedish citizens have lost faith in it. The CD's are a little late in their concern for the irreligious taking over, especially since almost everything we buy has some chinese component. My car radio hardly ever plays chinese music and I've never heard any communist party speeches come out of it.
It is simpler to accept that Volvo is dead. Any 'resurrection urge' is more likely to come from the east than from the west - unless, of course, the gov wants to raise capital by issuing Public Preference Shares and inviting ALL Swedes to buy them to save this iconic swedish car manufacturer.
Somehow I have the feeling that this would not happen. But when Geely have even have Rolls Royce worried, I don't think it is such a bad recomendation for a new owner.
If these honourable 8 formor Volvo directors can save Volvo, they have done it in the passing years. It's during the period of their time that Volvo were losing its cutting edge in the business. I can not agree with their arguments, a shelfish, narrow minded and shortsighted mindset.
Geely has its strong merits like any other car makers. The question of small or big, strong or weak, are transitional.
As competition they are not even in the same universe let alone the same ball park!
You only need to look at what happened to MG Rover. Chinese said that manufacturing would stay in UK there wouldn't be mass layoffs. Then boom the whole of the equipment in the factory is shipped to China everyone is out of a job. Even assembly doesn't exist. The Chinese have the MG Rover name who were once at the forefront of coming up with extreme ideas in Car Engineering.
Volvo wastes too much money and doesn't sell enough they can only hope to survive by selling more. Maybe they can do this in China and maybe this would be reasons to be bought by a Chinese company (its easier to get things done in China this way). However merging Volvo's Chinese operations with Geely Automotive would be a mistake. Geely Holdings would do well to keep them seperate to avoid messing it up..
Also, Ford will sell to whoever offers the most money its as simple as that personal appeals won't work, you can't influence Ford as Ford doesn't allow this sort of thing.
Manufacturing is the life-blood of all countries. It's because the many local and national suppliers who sell to large manufacturers, suddenly lose their biggest customer or client. From ball bearings to legal services, from carpets and windscreens through to the tools used for assembling the cars. If Volvo exits Sweden, what will take its place? If Geely keep the manufacturing facility in Sweden in some shape or size, will quality control increase [see Keith#509#83]?
Surely the government understands this? Loosing the brand means losing part of the driving force that makes Sweden tick. A service economy offers little opportunity for substantial growth. It's getting new models out of the factory gates and marketing them that delivers growth.
Don't they realize that many loyal Volvo buyers would not buy another Volvo if this Swedish icon would become essentially Chinese...?
This goes even more for smaller Saab.
Sweden, for one time, stand up for yourself instead of always trying to be so overly political correct... and thus become subordinate to other countries, in this case China, a country that shares not many of the values we hold so dearly in the west.
Wake up Sweden, you have so much to lose....
It is an unfortunate reality that most corporate companies seem to put the shareholders rights before the needs of the country. In a situation with putting all your eggs in one basket, then there is always a potential risk that one day this will used against us at a later date. We will eventually become dependent on that country since we will lose the skills neccessary to maintain our own industry and become slaves to another nation. If this is what you call progress then we have become seriously misinformed. Before investing in say a country like China,we must first consider the consequences of our actions. China has a reputation of having a terrible human rights record, one which is well documented. Secondly, since we are putting our resources into a foreign country which isn't neccessarily compatible with our own standards which will mean that certain transgressions may have to be overlooked. This in my opinion is totally unacceptable that the rights we have fought for in the past are now being sold to the highest bidder. I hope that Sweden will wake up and realise this is not the way forward but two steps backwards. Running an economy on the backs of others is morally wrong, it is not right, and it does not reflect I'm sure the opinion of the nation.
I thought that the former directors if they have any self pride, should keep a low profile and not speak up about something they screwed up. It was their management and foresight or lack of that caused volvo to be where it is today .. a proud brand that has been mismanaged. They should be hanged in the public square.
The fact is the world's most successful companies in the world today have partnerships in China ..... the losers dont.
Those of you who are still taking about communists .... wake up .... take a visit to Moscow or Shanghai and try look for one communist. God you fell for the political propaganda and rhetoric hook, line and sinker. .... we are in 2010!!!!
Goes to show that one can live in a open and free society and still be totally ignorant....
ha ha.
History will judge the Government officials harshly if Volvo (and Saab) are sold to groups completely unqualified to buy them. This is a cruel joke.
China has been growing like crazy so why not impose import taxes on foreign goods from China and Japan to help support the local brands that China and Japan are helping to push out and eliminate.
I mean, asking the state to put money to prevent that a true commercial competition ends in a wrong way is something quite communist, indeed.
Chinese are very good in learning and applying what others have invented, like, for example, the capitalism rules... Too late to complain, now for all of us!
Bye bye Volvo and SAAB, story is over!
If the companies goes to the far east, jobs will go that direction as well.
SAAB and Volvo jobs as well as the brand names need to be kept in Sweden. If not it will rip the heart out of Swedish manufacturing. The knock on effect will most likely take out 30,000 jobs in Sweden from the main companies to suppliers. The effect of that will be catastrophic.
At stake here is manufacturing jobs that are best kept inside Europe, not exporting them and leaving tens of thousands unemployed.
SAAB and Volvo need to stay in Europe and preferably Sweden.
If necessary SAAB and Volvo need to be nationalised for a temporary period, to find a buyer.
Letting SAAB and Volvo leave Sweden will destroy the core of Swedish manufacturing and cripple the Swedish economy for years.
Also any politican who were sitting in power when it happens will find themselves in real trouble.
Furthermore, in the last 2 years investment capital has drifted away from long-distance importing to more localised manufacturing -which may be nominally more expensive (the customer pays anyway) but is extremely more efficient (no oil price problems on freight costs, pirate or weather disruption problems, political or warfare problems, etc.etc.)
What could Volvo do with an input of fresh ideas, more affordable and marketable products and a revitalised/inspired workforce? Geely has something to prove on the world stage and such a marriage of insights, inspiration and manufacturing practices may just be good for both companies.
Why is it insecurely assumed that Volvo and it's workforce are not a worthwhile asset? Do we think the chinese so bad at business that they don't see a wonderful opportunity - for BOTH companies? They don't need to buy Volvo to copy A Volvo - they could have it for free after Volvo goes bust!
Not everything from the east is bad...every morning the sun comes from there!
Quit banging on the US because without the American taxpayers support of the American militaries might and willingness to step in and kick anybody's ass that messed with their European brothers then Europe would look much different than the social democracies than they are now.
Wake up Keith. It is common knowledge in the corporate sector know that the Chinese government sets up and funds investment vehicles to acquire companies all over the world. Most of the so-called chinese companies are permutations of the chinese government which in reality means the communist party, which in reality means a few powerful men.
Read Venturisection's post about what happened to MG Rover? Wouldn't be surprised and keith and co re part of the Chinese government's PR machine!
What do you think the cost to the US Taxpayer was of the Berlin Airlift , D-Day and the Marshall Plan.
I bet America is right at the top for countries that BUY Volvos. Isn't that really how you save a company, you vote with your own pocket books.
Just look at most of the product from China, you'll know what I mean. Only thing I trust coming from China are Wushu(kung fu) and Chinese crusine.
If the deal really go thru', definately the cars will stil LOOK like Volvo, but quality??????????
You are not Chinese.
The new owner of Volvo can be someone's, and I suggest the American or the Swedish can keep it, but the problem is that they wish to but can not, and keep it from going bankrupt.
#17
You are telling a truth that many companies are state-owned in the world, just like in Sweden, France, Uk and many more, but Geely is not! you are not telling the truth.
Having traveled a great deal in my lifetime I am always perplexed with the fixation that other cultures have on everything American. The very culture the world wishes to copy may be the one that destroys it.
Volvo and Saab are viable brands in the context of their value in a smaller more discriminating market. However this will require the consumer to pay a premium and perhaps accept some form of compromise if they are to survive. I will never purchase a Chinese Volvo; not because of Xenophobia but because I am confronted with inferior quality Chinese products every day. This does not mean the Chinese will not someday attain the quality that we in the western world expect but this will only be accomplished by the purchase of western brands in order to fast track the intellectual edge they presently lack. By the time they are up to speed much will be lost. This may be sad and a travesty but it is the nature of things. This was already done in Japan after WWII. Today they are the pre-eminate producers of the most coveted goods.
The consumer dominated society is unsustainable on a large scale. The bulk of consumers come from the working class. As their purchasing power is diminished the retail market they support is no longer realistic. America is on a fast track to prove this theory.
Its strange to hear that a malaysian chinese would say such bad things about china ... when so many reliable things are made and imported from china ...... chinese spacecraft going into space , etc. maybe malaysia chinese are not as good as china chinese .... or maybe you are one fo those foreigners who wish they have white skin? With an inferiority complex maybe?
Equally your presentation of control by an elite is somewhat biased. You mean to tell me that Wall Street and other such banking/financial centres are not elitist and have not disastrously levelled control - even over governments - in this past year? Explain the difference to me,please, 'like I was a child'. At least in China they put people in prison for the sort of thing that has gone on in the western banking sector these past few years.
You quote the MG saga to an englishman like me (like I don't know the other less simplified version than the one you present) - let me quote the Australian DSI success story to YOU. Bought up by Geely, DSI drive trains will soon be supplying...erm, Ford? Such a story really is 'bad' news by your definition for Volvo????
The fact that Geely and/or the Chinese gov is interested to buy Volvo tells me that Volvo has a future. It's a kind of recommendation that Volvo has something worth keeping in the marketplace. The Chinese are,are, efficient business people and I truly believe wish to have a foothold of some integrity and quality in the European Market.
Oh, by the way, have you ever owned a Volvo? I have and it was an OK car. I would be sad to see Volvo disappear and if Geely can assist it to have life, I say 'roll on Geely'! Oh, and I don't live far away from Trollhattan and Gothenburg either!!!
the last thing dictators and tyrants want to screw up is the military, because that's the only thing that matters in the end, that is what keeps them in power.
In china, nothing is truly private owned. they don't even acknowledge private properties in the so-called "constitution". people are not allowed to own a piece of land.
it's a different world, my friend, everybody understands and follows the rules that are not written on the book.
You surely wouldn't want to buck the market and upset free trade and all that would do? You might scare away all those frightened little capitalists and their slipper collections.
Saab has a reputable engineering past having been at the forefront of the aircraft and automobile industry and now with C3 showing it's technological leadership in the the new medium web3.
It is our intention to give Saab back to it's employees, the Sweedes and Saab owners globally. Our plan details are confidential but built around these previous points as well as protecting the current Sweedish workforce.
Our team Is a group of respected Leaders from a variety of applicable industries. We have not been able to get a sale prospectus and ask you to support our bid by writing to us at our blog SaavSaab.blogspot.com or SaavSaab@cxoconsulting.com.au with your support for our bid.
you are not a bussinessman. Think, if Volvo cars are mainly produced for the Swedes you can close you door to the imports. History proved that without the international contacts, Sweden can achieve nothing, simply a poor and cold country.
I am Malaysian born Chinese, I like my skin colour, at least I don't look so pale like a lot of people. Inferior complex I have non. I am sure technology in China is superb, but they are also very superb in original copy, buy any branded items from China, you can't be sure it is really original.
@livinginsweden
In your past comments on other topics you have also say bad things about Sweden. I am sure you don't hate Sweden. You are only speak your mind. Or maybe I might be wrong, maybe you are forced to stay in Sweden on gun point. Maybe you are not as good as the Swede since you said so much crab about Sweden, police force and etc.....
Nej, You are only saying what you think just like me.
Don't think they will treat me any special than you if I go to apply for a visa in the Chinese embassy. Only advantage I have is I speak Mandarin and 4 other Chinese dialects
I know you are speaking your mind mainly based on some facts. Though you are oversea chinese, i thought you know china little, just like some chinese in Sweden they are teaching the local Swedes Chinese culture( i have attended a class). I say to myself, wat is she talking about, poor man, you are a foreigner.
It's a good idea to understand the argument before responding to it. You created a straw men and spent acres of space dismantling it. I don't think you are as dumb as you make yourself out to be. Did I define "government controlled" or even mention it? Get this: Geely is government-owned not government-controlled. Set up, funded and run by the communist party, just like other so called Chinese companies buying brands all over the world. And do not pretend to understand what happened to MG Rover. Better to stick to issues you understand and are paid to pontificate on. Now take the post to your handler and get paid. I hear they have increased the fees.
You said: "At least in China they put people in prison for the sort of thing that has gone on in the western banking sector these past few years." Yeah? Get this. They catch the small people, the fall guys, and hang them the next day after a speedy show trial. The real communist fat cats continue to prowl the corridors of power, while their hired propagandists cheer on.
For once I agree with you.
You other Swedes who are so intent on declaring Saab and Volvo dead, perhaps you have swallowed too much of the bush kool-aid, and are now swallowing copious amounts of the Obama kool-aid.
You just might run out, so perhaps you need to take a trip to that economic and jobless Depression waste-land to get a few hundred more liters.
You should stay a while as well. Be sure to take your Swedish health card with you, or you might return to Sweden broke and in debt a few hundred thousands of kroner because you visited one of their doctors with a headache.
tut.tut. ou2chi - did I tread on a nerve or something? If so, my apologies.
I simply had not realised your pedantic seperation of the words 'owned' and' controlled' - generally they mean the same thing in the capitalist world. I re-iterate, I am not employed by anyone, my views are my own - I don't need paying to be unbiased or to, as it seems, upset you.. Of course, I assume that Swedish and EEC laws would prevent human rights abuses and protect citizens here, but equally human rights abuses happen in capitalist systems also. It's a blind, prejudiced individual that cannot equate the two.
If we think that China will change it's politics and human rights treatments by hiding behind our' holier than thou' wall, we need to re-appraise the situation. There is no greater force for change in the modern world than the cross-polination of cultures and religions - aided by healthy doses of materialism.
I am rather hoping that a Volvo sale to Geely might just have a far more profound effect than the price of shares, your words or political gestures.
(By the way, did you check out DSI, as a counter balance to your MG story?)..
Jakob are a waste of space, - no content and no logical plan of how a Union can suddenly manage the company ....
Crown made a stupid low offer last Summer and then sat back over-confidently, and are now joining the party but are not viewed as serious....
And now the ex- VCC Presidents (who are motivated under the table by Crown) are trying to cause trouble to delay any decision while Crown catches up,- and now the Union ask for 3 months to investigate as yet another delaying tactic....
Very interesting to watch, but if it were so easy to run a car company in such a tough business environment would n't all the other car makers be more successful?
..come on Crown, if you are really serious pull your finger out and make a clearly better offer; your games are not helping.
Mark Twain warned: "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
Mark Twain was absolutely right.
:D thx 4 the discussion
China is not the biggest, it is only ONE of the biggest. GM is not the only bidder, maybe they are giving the highest bid. Volvo will not vanish in 10 years even they don't sell to GM. There are still a few company that want to buy up Volvo at the right price. No company would want to dump in billions if they don't have confident. Without China....Volvo vanish?????????
Don't brag, just because u are Chinese.
Agree with Keith - my Ford-built Volvo needs a complete new set of brakes every 18 months or so (and I DON'T drive like a lunatic). Without mentioning the inordinate amount of rust showing up everywhere, and the fact that for 6 years it would "black out" whilst driving - out of the blue. No one could figure out why. Finally the culprit was found: RUST on the electrical contacts!
This never happened to a Volvo car before Ford bought them...
So selling Volvo to a Chinese company is a good thing. It will get it out of the clutches of an evil American corporation.
[quietly overlook that Volvo would have went bankrupt long ago if it weren't for Ford]
Let's keep emotion aside, we have to face the reality:
1. Never sell Volvo to any former director-led groups. Just look at what the Phoenix Four did on MG Rover.
The Phoenix Four purchased Rover from BMW in 2000 for £10, and BMW also offered a £427million interest-free loan and stocks of cars to make the deal more attractive. However, in four years, MG Rover placed itself in administration while the Phoenix Four were enriching themselves with tens of millions pounds.
2. Never sell Volvo to any PE-led groups. Those people only want to make quick money, and they don't care jobs, brand-name, etc. The New York Times have documented quite a few cases.
3. Among those Volvo's bidders, Geely is the most suitable one to carry on the Volvo tradition in a long term.
Technology is important, but the market is the most critical one. If you have good products and technology but cann't sell them well as in the case of Volvo and Saab, you can't make enough money to update your products and technology to keep up with the competition, jobs and brand will be gone soon.
Geely has a very good business plan such as developing more upper-scale, bigger Volvos to compete with Audi, BMW, etc. Do you know how many Audi A6 sold in China each year? 150,000. If Geely bought Volvo, the Chinese government is happy to help by designating Volvos as government cars. That's a huge market in China. Volvo will eat Audi and BMW's lunch for sure. As the cake is getting bigger, Volvo jobs in Sweden will be secure.
you are telling the big truth and nature of the issue. quite agree with your analysis.
I see many of the dear folks here (in the western world)are still sleeping without knowing the change of the world. and I think it's the media and the cold war mentality that should be blamed. They are not adapt to the new situation and are for decades still enthusiastic at covering issues of the so-called human rights and all the negative stuffs that can satisfy their appetite. Go and ask the locals in China, they will wake you up.
You need to study your history a bit more.
The US was not dragged kicking and screaming into two world wars.
WWII was what saved the country from the deep depression, the US NEEDED a war - one that was fought somewhere else of course, to step up manufacturing and kick-start the economy again. Some even say that Pearl Harbor was a set-up to sway the American public opinion towards the war. Nothing like good old-fashioned revenge to get the juices running.
´Xenophobia´ is just another ot those words that are designed to get you to surrender, stifle debate, and compromise what you hold dear. Don't be intimidated by this disingenuous tactic.
"Xenophobia´ is just another ot those words that are designed to get you to surrender, stifle debate, and compromise what you hold dear. Don't be intimidated by this disingenuous tactic."
Totally Agree! The other word I see used all the time that is used to get the same reaction as xenophobia is the word RACIST. Misused and misunderstood!