February 13, 2012
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Online: http://www.thelocal.se/24098/20091229/
The five Afghan teens found wandering in the cold near Sävsjö in southern Sweden on Christmas Eve had not been left in the forest by smugglers, it emerged on Monday, but had instead been kicked off a Swedish passenger train because they lacked proper tickets.
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Surely "The local" can find better news stories to write about ?
I cannot comprehend any circumstances that would warrent these illegals not being sent back to their homeland and I wonder what would happen if they were followed by a Million more, just like them ?
Would the same treatment be given to the new Million illegals ? or would common sense prevail ?
now you find people boarding SL bus without showing a ticket in a frequent manner, and bus driver does not have the possibility to ask them to leave.
you have to know that we the people who pays have to spend 690 SEK every month, which is far from cheap.
Not likely. Migrationsverket has them in the system now and will probably do everything by the book.
Is it because you all live in warm houses in a rich country and have never ever witnessed a war? is that why you can not understand even one little part of these boys story?
I that why you want to throw them back just like that?
I am so ashamed for the people I live with if they sound like you guys!
happy new year!
If you are so welcoming, maybe they can live at your house? There are rules. If you enter a country you should at least sign the guest book first. That is not too much to ask.
Seriously? Luxury is a word that is completely misunderstood by Swedes! There isn't a single luxurious place here!!!
all the way from Central Asia to Sweden illegally. Their story should be in the top Swedish newspapers. Why and how did these young boys travel all the way to Sweden; the difficulties they had in Afghanistan and the causes of it;
their dreams and hopes. Never mind their passports etc.
After a media welcome, the Swedish police should have taken these boys to the Afghan Embassy to be returned back to Afghanistan. Aren't they Afghan citizens? Why should Sweden
take care of them? If it is a refugee situation, then they could seek refuge in a neighbouring country like Iran or Pakistan, or India or Turkmenistan whatever. Why seek refuge
half the way around the world?
However people from all over the world who supposedly would not have that right enter the country illegally and get everything done and paid automatically. I do NOT want any economic help or whatsoever. I have done my homework during many years in order to achieve my dream to move here, but I really feel that kind of exaggerated positive discrimination generates unfair and negative discrimination for many others who play according to the rules.
I wonder if I really have any rights as a EU citizen or just the obligation to do everything according to the law.
It's really that simple.
The passport are rarely returned though. It's common they are used sold to and/or used by criminal organizations for false identities.
I say take the kids in, put them through school and then have them work (for the state or a private company or whatever) an obligatory five years or so in exchange for education, food, board and a small but reasonable salary.
This work should be in addition to the 'regular' job market and does not take away any jobs there.
They do deserve aid, but we shouldn't be afraid to put demands on them as well.
@Suntiger You know how many millions of people would take you on that deal ?
And because their country is at war (after the Taliban allowed Al-Qaida to run their terrorist operations from there) they decided to be smugled all the way through the middle east and Europe, to Sweden???. We probably don't even know who they really are, only what they want to say about themselves.
The only right you have is that of a human on an earth you didnt create. Being an EU citizen is not the issue. The issue is to consider all humans as having the RIGHT to live whereever they please without denying them that choice.
EU my foot
Excellent! We'll turn them into integrated, or at least workers, when their obligatory years are done, and gain a taxpaying worker.
In an ideal world anyway. ;)
Of course there would be some bumps and snags, but seriously, could we do worse than the current immigration policy (well, ok, we can do a lot worse. Still, it's not good as it is).
Immigrants with high educations get stuck in low end jobs. Others who are willing and eager to work doesn't get any, and the bad apples who do want to live on welfare (a minority among those I've met, both native swedes and immigrants) hog all the media attention.
I know a few people who would like a new place to live, being that you believe that we should "consider all humans as having the RIGHT to live whereever they please without denying them that choice", please provide your address so they can move in with you. You'll probably also be willing and able to pay their living expenses.
BTW I can't relate to people who loathe other's use of welfare, isn't welfare there to be used ? Same way one pays his taxes on time, one gets help when things don't go well. If the law permits abuse of welfare, the problem is the law not the people who follow it. People just weigh their alternatives and choose the path they see most convenient, immigrant, local or martian.
Like this gang of 5 here did precisely. Welcome to Sweden ! Here's your heated home, allowance, health care, education, low end job (or loafer's right) and brace for your appointed forty-something woman with baby fever. Enjoy.
@ all anti humanity haters out there
I heard your argument before and many anti immigrant, anti Asian, anti Muslim anti African anti etc etc. I believe the best example of this repetitive argument was made in 1933 by the leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party. His arguments mimic exactly the voice of the Sweden Democrats. He gained support by promoting German nationalism, anti-Semitism, anti-capitalism, and anti-communism with charismatic oratory and propaganda. He was appointed chancellor in 1933, and quickly transformed the Weimar Republic into the Third Reich, a single-party dictatorship based on the totalitarian and autocratic ideals of National Socialism.
So unless you want to turn Sweden from a country where the rest of the world praises and looks up into something that history would rather take lessons from … STFU.
There were almost 5 million refugees in Pakistan (highest in the world). Why the West, or Russia has no obligation to them?? Afghanistan was destroyed as a result of Cold War. So Russia and West are both responsible to help the Afghans. Russia invaded that country and West took the opportunity. As a result Afghans lost everything.
Now world should wake up and take some responsibility for destroying a PEACEFUL country.
Sweden needs to increase to a zero population growth.
If you have war in your country, if you loss your family members then I am sure you would support these people no matter what religion or race.
A strong is person who loves human and helps them when they need. I personally like SJ
and what did was right but also wrong. They could call Police with the next station and keep them warm in the train so with the next station police could arrive on the station and take them to custody to check the issue. but they were nice kids they gentle get off (:
People can say what they want and be as hateful and callous to the max, but it will not solve the global problem of poverty, injustice and oppression.
To a refugee mind, no matter how tough and dangerous it may seem, they willl be willing to undergo this plight of fate, -simply because they want to live, and a chance for a better life. Destination can be Sweden, Canada, US or any country, there are refugees moving around.
To demagogue this poor souls, is only a convinient way to sweep the problem under the rug, a better way is to suggest how the richer countries of these earth help prevent and avoid these mass migration of poor people. It will not solve it completely, but it may be a good rational start.
@simepal"all humans should have the right to live where ever they like" "eu my foot" how naive and utterly over simplistic,theres a reason millions don't emigrate in the opposite direction,and not the fact that there's no way that they would be tolerated,it's taken generation upon generation to build the western countries up to the standard that they enjoy today and millions arriving from countries that border on stoneage in various ways is not suprisingly going to irritate many many people who have a genuine birthright based on their and their father's and father's father's contribution to the country they live in.many of these "refugees"couldn't find sweden on a map and are even less interested when they get here.charity begins at home,so when many native swedes in this case feel that their being short changed when it comes to health care,education,housing etc etc and then see the billions being spent on immigrants,well it's hardly suprising that people feel frustrated.Immigration is not a bad thing,controlled numbers,good programes to integrate the immigrants and a willingness from them to assimilate themselves is a very good start.obviously it's not as simple as 1 2 3 but it's a hell of a lot better than the current system,like the current justice system in this country,if there's not a major overhaul and sometime soon....well maybe even the immigrants won't be too pushed to come here in future,and if that happened,then on numerous levels,NOBODY wins.
I hope these boys are set on the right path.. Whatever that may be.
As for the posters on this article who seem to feel that all the negative posting is ok because you are anonymous.. Enjoy your Christmas with your friends in your warm apartments or houses and your gifts.. Don't think one moment about the children living hopeless lives who only want a bed and a warm meal.. Animals treat each other better than you people..