Published: 9 Jan 10 08:25 CET | Print version
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General Motors announced on Friday it had begun "an orderly wind-down" of its Swedish unit Saab, but would consider any late proposals for the brand, in a move drawing protests from Sweden.
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It is starting to look like GM have no intention of selling SAAB and want to close it, so as to destory the brand.
- Sypker
- Genii-Eccleston
- Merbanco
- Samuelsson-Nygren
I do agree with Nemesis above, however I still believe that a 'Sell' can be made if the swedish government would be more firm in presuring the US and GM (since the US government is 60% shareholder these days it's basically the same) and come up for their workforce. I believe it's unacceptable for the swedish government just to accept that 8,000 people will loose their jobs and a whole region of Sweden will be slammed back into the beginning of the 19th century. Treat them like they would treat you, stand up and fight!
it comes down to a trade-off between future competition against the cost of after sales cost for existing owners and redundancy payments etc.
Hell being American they most probably think they can fire people at not cost: LOL
They are coming forward now trying to make a last minute deal that will benefit them, not GM, not Saab, and not Sweden.
Certainly GM will look at the offers, if they aren't worthwhile Saab is toast.
According to reports, sources within GM in Germany have leaked that GM has booked transport for the 15 Jan to move the new 9-5 production line to China in order that it can be built in China as a Buick. Why on earth would GM do this if they were still trying to sell Saab in good faith?
If this is a charade, and it looks suspiciously like it is, I can imagine that lawyers of prospective buyers and dealers will be sharpening their pencils as we speak.
I am not sure if you understand the situation. GM is not trying to sell SAAB any longer. They have chosen to wind them down. They have said they will look at offers through this process. They did not say they would stop this process to listen to offers. SAAB has been for sale for a year now. Where were all of the offers when there was time to play with?
I think I understand pretty well. To put it into terms you may understand:
If you were selling a car on behalf of its owner (ie the shareholders) and you received a number of offers for the car would you:
a) Dismantle the car before reviewing the offers while deceiving everyone that you were trying to sell it
b) Or, review the offers while planning a how you would dismantle it if they were not good enough
Whatever you say GM has a responsibility to its shareholders to make the right commercial decision and this latest decision is clearly questionable.
2. Wind down the company and ensure GM pays full redundancy etc
3. Invest in retraining of workers into industries or services that will sustain themselves and grow in the future giving Trollhättan and other towns a real future with a real industry. No public investment in a product - Saab - that not enough people want to buy to make it sustainable. No more false hope for workers from asset strippers or 'SAAB buyers' it is just prolonging the inevitable.
That's a pure extortion.If someone want to safe SAAB , "he" have to pay some huge cipher,or GM will shut down SAAB.
And because no one has so much capital ,the Swedesh government (using "private" investors) will have to take loan from guess who ...?
Of course from Rockefeller,Newhouse family....the buddies of FORD
And why .... because USA have to be the only one car maker, everybody else will be consumers
That is economic war
As an analyst, and having worked in the industry for nearly 30 years, I have to agree with you on this one.
Unless western industry laborers are set to retire in the next 5 years or so (maybe 10), I would start training for a new career if I were them...
The US government bailed Pan Am out what two, three times? And it still went bust. Incompetent management is usually what sinks companies, not government policies, otherwise an entire sector would go bust, not just some companies.
The US is also the biggest debtor in the world now. Sweden is a small country, a socialist one. You can't afford the public services offered here and still bail out companies with trillions of dollars.
The irony is that most Americans probably don't know that by far the greatets creditors of the US are now China and Japan...
(globaldispute, rick, and tillerman exluded - you actually have grasp on reality)
True there are people interested. Let us see there offer! These offers are obviously companies trying to get something for free. The sad part is that if SAAB does get sold and they last another 3 years then it will be someone elses fault. People just can't say it didn't work! I am also very sorry for the workers but this is not the only company that has gone under in the last year. Do you want to venture a guess at how many people have lost their jobs in Detroit through this mess?
Bus yes - you are correct in that China is one of the greatest creditors. The Middle East (not Japan) is second! Basically the IMF and countries of the bottom of the following list are the sources of credit for the countries on the top of the list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt
@all:
Just a general FYI - yes, this is all about money. SAAB's reputation is worth nothing when making money is concerned. The workforce and livelihoods at stake are worth nothing when making money is concerned. Fact is that GM played their cards wrongly and lost a lot of money. They intend to recoup their losses at any cost! And if the Swedish government steps in and offers money ... GM will be getting more cash so they will smile broadly .... and GM will still let SAAB fall apart because GM will hold the SAAB carrot over the Swedish government's head to squeeze any penny it can from you and me - the taxpayers!
This is the true face of The Corporation (note that I did not say American Corporation). Deal with it! You hate GM for what they have done to / are doing to SAAB - I suggest that you stop buying GM cars.
Swear on your gradchildren that you will not buy the following cars brands:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors#Brands_and_subsidiaries
If you do have one of the cars listed above, I suggest you sell it now before their re-sale value drops.
It's extremely frustrating and annoying how many people in the world from socialist counties just don't get it. It's NOT a good thing for governments to own companies. It's GOOD that the swedish government doesn't own Absolut or Volvo or SAAB.
Yes - the US government has a lot of debt. And yes we know that China lends us the money - at least Repulbicans know. Republicans also don't agree with the bailouts.
I don't care if GM fails or SAAB fails - if they fail something else will take it's place. The Unions are causing these failures since companies can't scale down down to sustainable levels.
@ Spy. I don't think GM ever planned on selling certain models with the SAAB brand. I'm sure it's conditions like that, I'm sure, that are sticking points in negotiations with European companies and investors that want that technology.
Sorry if that post was kind of all over the place. - it's just frustration reading 95% of the posts on here.
With all due respect, there is no way the next gen 9-5 was designed with anything but Saab design DNA. Sure they can facelift the front and rear fascias and grille with a Buick flavour (my stomach is heaving at the mere thought of such an identity crime), but every other surface on that car is derived and evolved from established Saab design themes.
From a personal perspective I can't help but feel that what GM is doing reflects badly upon the US. Tell me how it couldn't...
@americanska
Of course incompetent managements collapse companies. However good companies also collapse in the sub prime crisis created by the US due to chain reactions. Who will be the last saviour of these good companies if not the government, It is not a policy for the government to bailout companies especially in the free market like the US. US will condemn other countries which bailout national companies, but when they are facing sub prime crisis they have to swallow back what they said and practised.
Republicans don't agree with the bailout but George Bush was the one who announced the initial bailout package.
Why put the blame solely on the unoins for the company failure. What about company private jet ownership and top managements travelled on private jets. This may not affect the company operations much as compared to unions demand.
SAAB will be extinct if there is no last minute saviour. Where is Swedish national pride? VOLVO has gone.
The New 9-5 is a fantastic car and SAAB did a fantastic job of making GM's Global Epsilon II platform look and feel like a SAAB for it. It is terrible to see it go, but GM doesn't need to put a new grill on it to make it a Buick, there are already Buick's built on that platform (they are indeed Lexus beaters). The 2009 EU car of the year, the Opel Insignia, was also built on that platform. This technology is the real reason companies are bidding on SAAB, but GM isn't that dumb. They wont give it away just to reduce its liability to SAAB.
SAAB is gone, there is nothing left to buy and the new 9-5 will probably not be revived as another brand. Its sad, but true.
Since you and I are both Americans, we both know the Republicans caused the bailouts. Six years of (R) controlled executive and legislative branches has one heck of a payback. Just recall that they ran deficits when there was no reason to. I don't think I need to elaborate further on this.
GM owes the taxpayers for it's continued survival. On that note they need to sell SAAB at least for the simple reason to recover some value to their lenders (us).
My dad was a GM guy and that is what I grew up with. GM management dug their hole and I don't see myself owning one of their products any time soon. I hope SAAB makes it out of this and prospers.
Well aware of the Insignia's multiple personalities and the common platforms. I was commenting on a post suggesting the next gen 9-5 wasn't going to be sold by GM, if that indeed was one of many potential 'sticking points'. If GM then kept the 9-5 and it was shipping tooling to China it stands to reason they would sell it as one brand or another. Technologies and platforms apart, the design DNA (the way it looks) both interior and exterior-wise has Saab written all over it.
Perhaps a crossed line or two here.
It would be preferable to avoid getting a non-GM competitor to Opel while collecting the best possible money for Saab assets.
Apparently, the Chinese have the money Whitacre says he wants to see, but won't (be allowed to?) buy the whole factory, brand, etc.
Among potential buyers, Genii Capital may have an advantage in that Bernie Ecclestone, 79, is in the same age group as GM Board members.
But we all the the Unions made it not free enterprise. And the Obama machine didn't want GM to file bankruptsy because that would cause union jobs. So they gave them money to limp along until it couldn't be stopped. But even the democrats in the US aren't so stupid as to think they should get involved with business decisions.
@porksteak - lets be realistic. GM's lenders are China
I would still like to see a good argument to the following.
"It's real easy, just show up with the money and you can have it," Whitacre said. "But nobody's shown up with the money so we're in wind-down mode here."
I guess there isn't anyone to hate with that comment so Nemesis will keep his mouth shut!
1) The new Opel Vectra looked like the old Opel Vectra - SH*TE, and GM though money was better spent in Russelsheim, and
2) Brian Nesquick could not be bothered to travel to Trollhättan so he asked one of Fat Pig uncles to move Saab to Russelsheim.
With all the money diverted from Saab projects, all the skilled Staff moved from Saab to Opel, and four more years p*ssing around, opel released the Insignia. Nice car, but it cost twice as much as it should have done to develop, like most things GM develop, which is why they don't make money, then blame a small town in Sweden.
Saab 1990 - 2 models 93000 units sold
Saab 2008 - 2 models 93000 units sold
Saab would like to thank GM for the last fruitful and prosperous 20 years.
Europeans have been telling us how magical he is. Tell him to save or sell SAAB.