May 25, 2012
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I should have thought that other than qualifications, the main criteria for becoming a vet would be the ability to be big enough and strong enough to stick your arm up a cows backside.
Been there done that and it is not a job for a 9 stone weakling: LOL
If this was the other way around and the men were getting denied spots because of their gender and the women were getting them instead, they would say the law is a success.
I dont know about this country some times.
There have been Universities that have had schemes to discriminate in favour of men and immigrants
- a know that at least one University emphasised that it would look especially favourably on applications from men on teaching degrees
- there was also the Uppsala law school case where they tried to introduce a quota of 30 of 300 places on the law degree would be reserved for immigrants - but those who failed to get a place becayse they were ranked between 271 and 300 on the admission list sued in the courts and were paid compensation
Given that the courts have always ruled against quotas - it seems as though the government if just clarifying the law in this area
"Long Live the AI Machines"
"more female than male applicants had top marks......."
" women are representing 60 % of university students...."
so what is the need of quota here? universities have to set only objective criterias based on academic and other merits!
You appear to not understand the way that the quotas worked in Sweden at all - there was no question of "Stupidity, lack of talent, laziness" rewarded by quotas. It is an issue of fairness primarily of one gender being removed from the lottery to create balance
The lottery system operates where applicants have equal high school grades - the way that it is *meant* to work is that candidates are picked at random if they have equal grades - but in the case of the vet school scandal all the women were removed so that only men could be chosen
I do understand how quotas work. My country loves them. Stupidity, lack of talent, and laziness trumps ability in many situations due to gender or race. However, I didn't know that there was a lotto system in Sweden. Why was this never mentioned in any of the news articles regarding the Vet school? If this is true, thanks for the clarification. Maybe you can answer this for me. Why is there no difference between an MVG that is 90% and an MFG that is 100 percent? I have not gotten a good answer from any educator regarding this glaring hole in the University selection processes. MVG is based on grade percentage but the universities only see the MVG, not the percent out of 100. There might be greater differences in students if their true grades were visible. Any thoughts?
So how does that work, can somebody please explain?
When I interviewed for my doctoral position I was told that they were under pressure to recruit a woman, because they were too underrepresented in the department, but apparently no one sent an application, otherwise forget it and who cares of the grades.
I wonder why we have to wait always for some woman to complain, before somebody in power decides to act
Well we must be "pioneers" also since Its about the same % in Canada but we've never had official gender quotas. Traditionally university women mostly went into nursing, teaching, liberal arts, etc. There are less women in some areas such as engineering, etc but there are actually more women in medicine at present. Doors are not closed to women so gender quotas are a bit pointless. I'd suspect it's about the same in Sweden. If women really want to break into male dominated occupations then they should go into the trades.
Sweden also has more women in medicine - however many of the quotas were designed to increase the number of men.
Heard a radio interview today with one of the victims of the SLU Vet school scandal. She had given up a job and gone back to school to study to get into vet school - as everyone knows you need perfect grades to get into vet school - (presumably incurring student loans).
However her selection group, Folkhögskola grades, it was one of the small selection group where male candidates were to be prioritised - so ALL the women were removed from the lottery their applications were not considered at all and only men were put into the lottery. Therefore despite years studying she had a ZERO chance of getting in because no women candidates were considered at all in her group.
By limiting people to study certain things Sweden is rewarding those that can jump through the right hoops. Now that I think about it... lots of the goodies in Sweden are dooled out to those who jump through the right hoops. In the US money rules who gets the goodies, in Sweden, different rules govern.
Regardless...quotas suck. Limited attendance sucks as well. They are just a tool for those that want social control.
That was always the purpose of the affirmative action - the male judges in Supreme Courts just could not bear the moaning and crying in the court rooms.
However, when there is a clear domination of females in certain areas and males are using the tools that were developed for women for THEMSELVES, there is again moaning by FEMALES who get thousands of kronas because there was an affirmative action that for once worked against them!
So the swedish judges are bending over again and canceling the affirmative action whenever it can actually benefit men! It is outrageous. It shows clearly that the equality functions here only whenever it makes the life of females easier and never is about EQUALITY!
The problem lies in the thought that it is good to help one group against the other while it should be clear to everyone that only proper qualification criteria - and gender (or race) is none of them - should be applied. If women are good managers or politicians they should be promoted. Are they not, they should rather stay where they are. If men get worse entry test results than women, well, then they need to work harder and try again.