Two Swedes killed in Afghanistan

That they thus sacrifice themselves for freedom is so touching... oh wait, they support a government that legalized rapes...go figure...go home.

@ Frobobbles

People were killed while carrying out there duty, have some respect.

I have known a a few people who have done tours out there. I have seen the worry on there families faces when they go and the relief when they come back. Try putting yourself in there shoes.

They have lost loved ones. It is far from a subject for a balanced mind to make jokes about.

im sorry for them Sweden is a peaceful country since ever and many people here are pacifists,

innocent people shouldn't pay for "politicians' mistakes"

RIP to the fallen.

Sweden needs to either bring in some firepower to patrol their AOR or at least defensive capabilities to ensure they won't get boxed in or no room to manuever in regard to insurgent activity. Special Forces could definitely help.

I read the Norwegians and Germans increasing troops in the North and the US is set to send a few thousand soon.

@Nemesies, 'have some respect', you write.

They have all my respect. In the unforgettable words of Michael Moore, which give tears in my eyes at this moment: " "They serve so that we don't have to. They offer to give up their lives so that we can be free. It is, remarkably, their gift to us. And all they ask for in return is that we never send them into harm's way unless it is absolutely necessary. "

I read on the TL a few months ago that ' Swede army has killed like 5 Taliban and then Taliban commander said we will take revenge.

Today they have killed Afghan and Swedes next day Swed Army would kill another day Taliban would kill. Until when?

I am really sad now to see an Afghan translator and Swedes lost their life and I hope they stay always in their Base and not go out, Afghanistan has became so dangerous recently. I hope all of them come back to Sweden safe and sound.

They have been killed by narcotics dealers or Taliban? I did not get that if by Taliban then Mazar e Sharif is no longer safe place. Swedes should come back.

@ Newyork-Växjö

The Taliban are heroin dealers. That is who they are funded in Afghanisatan.

Sweden has just joined the club. We've lost about 120 soldiers or so since we've been there. It seems like an unwinnable conflict but pity the Afghanistan people, especially women, if the Taliban was to take over.

Frobobbles,

Most of what Michale Moore produces is very forgettable.

Don't know about you, but to me removing regime that gives safe haven to the terrorist organization to plan and a train for terrorist attacks on other nations is as close to absolutely necessary as anything is ever likely to get.

Nemesis

I am really sad now. I have so much tonight to do but i am here.

I am sure every Scandinavian would be upset today for two life of Swede-afghan translator) and the poor Afghans who are being bombed by both sides (NATO-Taliban) everyday and losing family members every hour. How it is sad to loss family members you will notice when you loss someone.

Business companies which sell weapons /Oil benefits only from this war and politician takes their share. We should not be fooled and If we want to bring democracy to a Country we should not send troops f16, B52 to bomb mostly civilians. At least not in Afghanistan. History says nobody has won the war . then why people do not understand this?

We can bring democracy by respecting the people cultures and tradition and educate them if they do wrong. I am sure every culture has good and bad in it.

Education is more important . when you are educated you would respect women , old young and we need to educate them . not to invade or look into their oils or resources. it would result the collapse of NATO at the end.

All forces should pull out or if they want to stay there than at least try to make situation little better by educating locals.

War on terrorism has destroyed Afghanistan, Iraq and worsen Pakistan. It would have been a lot better to attack selected targets instead of launching a full scale war (which has resulted in death of more than a million people and has failed to achieve any of its goals (protect few hundred lives) ).

Newyork-Växjö

Man, you said it!

Just about wining the war there, you must understand this was could be over only if allies decide to wage a total war. "In war, moderation is madness"

But the NATO can t do that, and this is a good thing. Neither soviets hadn t tried the total war there.

About the soldiers, may God rest their brave souls!

really sorry for them and their families. but somebody has to stand against tyranny and extremism. my heart goes to all the troups in afghanistan fighting this homophobic/apocalyptic/superstitious/antisemite/misogynist taliban..

Condolences to their family and friends.

Well, I've got couple of questions:

Q1) What else were you expecting when you engage our kids in a War which is not ours?

Q2) Which logic are you using to defend the idea of putting outsiders in Afghani's land?

Q3) Why we are being used like shoes by the US ?

On a serious note! Sending people with medicine to others' land is way better, safer, and more respected than sending them with guns...

Sweden is there solely for humanitarian purposes. It sends them medicine and food, but unfortunately, Taliban would like to have it for themselves and therefore Sweden NEEDS to have soldiers there.

And the idea about outsiders is that if they attack you - you attack them back and bring in your allies, but being civilized, you cannot just leave them hanging there after the attack.

They should have been bombed and left alone trying to get up from the mud...

@Uncle

Shut the fuc up and stop trolling like a jester!

I can't recall any of your comments didn't make me puke.

-Does your sick comments as your sick personality will get back our two kids to their home among the people who they loved and loved by?

-Does your sick comments as your sick personality will speak out when we vote out any politician supports the idea of sending our kids out to be killed?

I think we need to forget polotics for a moment. Three Families have been torn apart, No more midsummers, no more christmas, no more birthdays. The two Swedish soldiers who joined the army to protect their fellow citizens had no choice where they will serve.

let us remember those families in our hearts, let us support them with our compassion, let us today forget polotics and stand with them as One, and let us pray to whatever God we believe in, that these men's souls rest in peace.

humanitarian, or not , they think about it as foreign soldiers work with USA to occupy our country, i think Sweden should not be there !

Yes, pls show some respect for the fallen. Its very sad no matter if a soldier or a civilian dies. You have got to do what you have got to do.

i am tired with this farce about never being able to win a war in Afghanistan. Google Maharaja ranjit Singh and you will realize they did rule over the pashtun tribes.

Besides the Russian campaign was a failure because the jihadis were supported by American technology , saudi money and pakistani intelligence. Now they just have opium cash and some radical recruits this war can be won if fought the right way.

Make no mistake...this is a catastrophe of unthinkable dimensions. Now Swedish men are going to be coming home in bodybags. It is no less of a catastrophe in America, but somehow it is an accepted ritual that falls under the belief that they died for their country. Complete and utter nonsense!

There is no reason to be monkeying around in these peoples country. Many make fun of these people because they are living more primatively, calling them cave-dwellers or because they suppress their women but why should it matter to anyone but them. It certainly does not matter to these dead soldiers. I don't care what anyone says…it is a complete waste of time to send good men to die in some hell hole.

Some of you are touting causes that you may think you have some idea about what you are talking about but mostly you are full of hot air. Parrots trumpeting the latest propaganda. Kool aid drinking fools. Where is it going to stop? Are we going to participate in the war machines next adventure…in Iran? Wake up people.

Uncle...you are a complete idiot and what a jerk! Right on Nordic Prince.

Ferozpur and Benraph...go on, keep your heads buried in the sand. Maybe you will wake up in a Utopia tomorrow.

Nordic Prince - your hysterical outbursts only strengthen my opinion about people like you and jonnyrebel. It is an extreme pleasure to confirm my assumptions over and over again. What you do not understand is that you have already managed to turn quite a few liberals here to be more conservative - only by creating this smell of cursing and hateful alcoholics around yourself..

You see, a challenged person like you cannot decide on whether to love and cherish little innocent afghanis and withdraw from there or actually stay there and give them food and medicine... Because it is the ONE or the OTHER. Not BOTH. Therefore your arguments are as infantile as an argument of a 3 y/o.

The fact is that I am right is proved by governments that do not just pull out, like you, kids, suggest, but actually risk the soldiers in order to attempt to save an entire nation there.

But you know what? We actually agree (you missed it while spitting on the screen and trying to write with shaking hands).

I would like to pull out also. The difference is that you think that if the west pulls out - the life of afghanis will become sugar, while I realize that Taliban will first hang a few hundred thousand and then continue it's horrible rule! I just do not think that it is west's problem.

Sweden may have started the mission as strictly humanitarian mission but it is by no means that anymore. Every year since 2005 the insurgency has greatly expanded and so has NATO in combatting them.

Sweden has around 500 or so troops. Not enough for their area so hopefully the US or Germany or Norway either send troops or trained Afghans to aid them.

To the poster who said it's best for Swedish troops to remain in their base? That is the worse thing. The Taliban would spread unchecked and eventually box the Swedes in.

I think it's a brave thing what Sweden is doing since it's not a NATO nation but it has to be realistic about the situation. This is war. If the people don't want it, speak your mind and let it be known. Don't just ignore the mission cause it's serious.

These people were probably whistleblowers. They got into the war zone, learned the truth about what is going on there (taliban=opium dealers), and US intelligence officials decided they needed to be 'silenced'. If you don't believe the US does these things to silence dissenting opinions, you should dig a little deeper.

Yeah, sure... Taliban killing people? Never in their life.... Such a goodhearted organization of nuns... It is all the CIA eliminating people! They also explode in markets there - to silence the population of course...

Frobobbles ..you f***ing tosser..your lack of respect is matched only by your IQ..any death in war is sad,you cheapen this with your attempt to ill directed humour at this countries poor legal system,obvioulsy this fell flatter than your f**kwit forehead..show some respect you div.

For all you ignorant men/women. Take a few minutes out of your precious time find out what does the term "taliban" means !! It will provide you guys a clearer picture. And its even sadder to see that almost no attention is paid to the loss of the afghan national in the incident in the above comments. RIP all of the 3 !!

I believe it's the British commonwealth cemetary at Impala (troops killed fighting the Japanese in World War II)that has the marker "When you get back tell them what you have seen, for they gave their today, for our Tommorow". That is about as good as any Soldier can expect. That his country acknowledge that or in the case of men servng Freedom like these the world take a moment to reflect.

These Swedes and Afgans gave their todays for the Freedom and safety of our Tommorows. Them and alot of Brits, Canadians, Germans, Danes, French, Ghurkas, Americans and too many others. Maybe if your country has one we could all take a moment to reflect on them.

Who are you thinking of?

"To whom does this war bring prosperity? Not to the soldier … not to the brokenhearted widow … not to the mother who weeps at the death of her baby boy … . War brings no prosperity to the great mass of common and patriotic citizens … .War brings prosperity to the stock gambler on Wall Street."

To all of you gungho war mongers...manup. Enlist...and if you cannot, make sure that your children enlist, OK? There, that should cure your big mouths.

Come join the Peace Train. Peace to all.

Yep. US should have kept the kids alive and not send them the Europe.. Who cares that Commies and Nazis would kill additional 20 mils?

And not involved in Korea.. Who cares that South Koreans would become just Koreans and starve like the N. Koreans do? And Kuwait should not have been saved.. Who cares?

And Kosovo should have been allowed to be cleansed... Why endanger US soldiers?

Screw Somalis and Rhuandis. Let additional 5 million Congolese die. Let Sudan starve additional 2-3 million people!

So 3K people died in some falling buildings, so what? There are more dying in traffic per month. Let them attack without consequences. Maximum a note of protest can be submitted in the UN.

All of you peace lovers are so into Peace that you are ready to sacrifice millions for it. Worse than any war monger...

The important thing is that there is peace here, in the west..

Peace is a beautiful thing but something only the West has the luxury for. Sometimes to ensure peace or stability or freedom or equality, you will turn to war.

If NATO were to leave afghanistan tomorrow, there would be killing on the likes of Cambodia three decades ago. Thousands would perish if not millions and to what effect? We have the opportunity to erase the insurgency and ensure the Afghans take charge. It requires patience. Afghans have been in constant war for the past 30 years so no wonder if it takes them a while to rebuild or come to the negotiation table. I just say to all those fed up, examine the situation 1 more time and see if you missed anything.

Condolonces to the dead soldiers. Sweden should pull out from Afghanistan. The war initiated by the US to combat terrorism will go nowhere. US should stop policing the world and stop getting the allies dirty their hands with blood. US and allies will never win the war in Afghanistan based on history. British was trying to conquer Afghanistan last time but failed and humiliated. Soviet was also terribly failed in the mission. Afghan people are expert in guerilla warfares and invaders will loose eventually no matter how long it takes. The longer foreign troops are there, the more coffins will be returned back home.